• Anti-Virus Suggestions for Windows?

    From Doug Cooper@1:227/702 to All on Saturday, July 18, 2020 08:00:01
    Hi all,

    Curious to know what anti-virus anti-malware software each of you are using,
    on your BBS machine. I'm on windows 10, tried Avast, and had to remove it.
    It seemed to lack the settings to allow the BBS to run without it questioning every file loaded (mis in mystic, exe files for online games, etc...) Since removing it, I'm still experiencing delays at login for up to 10 seconds via telnet. I'm not quite sure how to fix it now. Regardless, I'd like to have something .. free preferred or at minimum not a rip off like AVAST wanted to
    do (the charges to add what should be automatically included were a bit much: $49 for basic, more for pro, more for vpn, driver updates, etc...) it felt
    like the game Roblocks my kids play -- they're always wanting more money to
    buy robucks to purchase items within the game ... smh.

    -tG

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground [@] theunderground.us:10023 <-port (1:227/702)
  • From Jay Harris@1:229/664.1 to Doug Cooper on Saturday, July 18, 2020 09:40:46
    *** Quoting Doug Cooper from a message to All ***

    Curious to know what anti-virus anti-malware software each of you are using, on your BBS machine.

    I'm just using whats already built into Windows 10 & I've turned Controlled Folder Access on to help with any Ransomware that may slip through. I'm also using this script I found to block unfriendly countries with Windows
    firewall: http://www.gregsitservices.com/ip-security/ip-security-package.zip

    Since removing it, I'm still experiencing delays at login for up to 10 seconds via telnet. I'm not quite sure how to fix it now.

    Maybe try a system restore if you have that turned on in Windows 10 to roll back before you installed Avast or a Windows 10 reset if you don't have that turned on.

    Jay

    ... Blessed are the pessimistic, for they hath made backups.

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  • From Doug Cooper@1:227/702 to Jay Harris on Monday, July 20, 2020 07:53:22
    Maybe try a system restore if you have that turned on in Windows 10 to roll back before you installed Avast or a Windows 10 reset if you don't have that turned on.

    Thanks for the suggestion, I was unware Windows had it's own protection built in. For your BBS, do you "open" your BBS folders like you would a port, to ensure Windows doesn't delay any activity while checking every file accessed
    by a user?

    I went above and beyond the system restore, and completely reinstalled
    windows, python, php, vs, node js, etc.. It improved some performance, but
    not the delayed login and delayed keystroke acknowledgement during login. It has to be something with the BBS at this point, however I didn't make any changes, so it's a mystery I'm slowly chipping away at.

    -dC

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground [@] theunderground.us:10023 <-port (1:227/702)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Doug Cooper on Tuesday, July 21, 2020 16:28:46
    On 7/20/2020 7:53 AM, between "Doug Cooper : Jay Harris":

    Maybe try a system restore..

    I went above and beyond the system restore, and completely
    reinstalled windows, python, php, vs, node js, etc.. It
    improved some performance, but not the delayed login and
    delayed keystroke acknowledgement during login. It has to be
    something with the BBS at this point, however I didn't make
    any changes, so it's a mystery I'm slowly chipping away at.

    Maybe turn off everything (Win10 itself and any other progs) that auto-updates.


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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to Doug Cooper on Monday, July 20, 2020 12:06:00
    Doug,

    Curious to know what anti-virus anti-malware software each of you are using, on your BBS machine. I'm on windows 10, tried Avast, and had to remove it. It seemed to lack the settings to allow the BBS to run
    without it questioning every file loaded (mis in mystic, exe files for online games, etc...) Since removing it, I'm still experiencing delays
    at login for up to 10 seconds via telnet. I'm not quite sure how to
    fix it now. Regardless, I'd like to have something .. free preferred
    or at minimum not a rip off like AVAST wanted to do (the charges to add what should be automatically included were a bit much: $49 for basic,
    more for pro, more for vpn, driver updates, etc...) it felt like the
    game Roblocks my kids play -- they're always wanting more money to buy robucks to purchase items within the game ... smh.

    I'm using the IObit Malware Fighter. You can get a yearly subscription for $40, I believe, but it's valid for 3 computers. They have several other great utilities for Windows systems, and at times, good deals on them. I think
    except for IObit Uninstaller and SmartDefrag, which are for 1 computer only, per license...most of the rest of the items are for 3 computers upon a yearly registration. To me, it's worth it. They are at https://www.iobit.com

    In the past, I've used McAfee, CA Internet Security, and F-Prot.

    Daryl

    ... Virus Check Complete. All viruses functioning normally.
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  • From Doug Cooper@1:227/702 to August Abolins on Thursday, July 23, 2020 01:46:30
    Maybe turn off everything (Win10 itself and any other progs) that auto-updates.

    You're going to laugh at me. After all of the trouble shooting I've done, it was nodespy being loaded creating the delay (smh). I fully admit to extreme, off the road, four wheeling, trouble shooting having occured for absolutely ZERO reason at all. I just don't run nodespy unless I am in front of the machine and want to see how many peeps have called for the day and or usage stats (such as whether I have emails waiting). Then I close it right after viewing. However my rabbit hole adventure did result in a carrot: my ISP
    gave me twice the speed to 1gig permanent, and an upgraded router with a repeater for the exact price I was paying for half the speed and a crappy router. Then, after the 1 year, the price only goes up $5! I love my
    MetroNet fiber.

    -dC

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground [@] theunderground.us:10023 <-port (1:227/702)
  • From Doug Cooper@1:227/702 to Daryl Stout on Thursday, July 23, 2020 01:50:23
    I'm using the IObit Malware Fighter. You can get a yearly subscription for $40, I believe, but it's valid for 3 computers. They have several other great utilities for Windows systems, and at times, good deals on them. I think except for IObit Uninstaller and SmartDefrag, which are
    for 1 computer only, per license...most of the rest of the items are for
    3 computers upon a yearly registration. To me, it's worth it. They are
    at https://www.iobit.com

    Thanks Daryl! I'll check it out. Did you have to disable/set any features / advanced settings that prevented iobit from reading every .EXE prior to allowing it's execution? I noticed AVAST doing that with any online game loaded, MIS being launched, etc... I could not find a setting to leave the
    BBS directory alone .. so just deleted it. I like iobit products. I use
    their driver update tool, which is free as a beta right now, that has been a huge time saver compared to going to the manufacturers support page and manually downloading and updating them.

    -dC

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Windows/32)
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  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Doug Cooper on Thursday, July 23, 2020 13:15:19
    On 7/23/2020 1:46 AM, between "Doug Cooper : August Abolins":

    You're going to laugh at me. After all of the trouble
    shooting I've done, it was nodespy being loaded creating the
    delay (smh). I fully admit to extreme, off the road, four
    wheeling, trouble shooting having occured for absolutely
    ZERO reason at all.

    Not laughing. Talking this out got you thinking a bit more (only YOU are familiar with the extra progs that you have loaded. I was going to suggest that you review any Startup progs that you may have forgotten about.

    I don't know what nodespy is, and the description at github sounds greek to me (middleware within middleware, node.js, etc..)


    However my rabbit hole adventure did result in a carrot: my
    ISP gave me twice the speed to 1gig permanent, and an
    upgraded router with a repeater for the exact price I was
    paying for half the speed and a crappy router. Then, after
    the 1 year, the price only goes up $5! I love my MetroNet
    fiber.

    That sounds like a very sweet carrot, indeed!

    They provide the router and repeater for free?



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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to Doug Cooper on Friday, July 24, 2020 08:56:00
    Doug,

    Thanks Daryl! I'll check it out. Did you have to disable/set any features / advanced settings that prevented iobit from reading every
    .EXE prior to allowing it's execution? I noticed AVAST doing that with any online game loaded, MIS being launched, etc... I could not find a setting to leave the BBS directory alone .. so just deleted it. I like iobit products. I use their driver update tool, which is free as a
    beta right now, that has been a huge time saver compared to going to
    the manufacturers support page and manually downloading and updating
    them.

    Let me try this again. I had more than one QWK packet, and I zapped the
    REP packet <blush!> -- I think it's too early in the day. :P

    First, I've never seen a setting of such with IObit. It does have 3
    scanning options:

    1) Smart Scan - scans only the critical file areas of the system.
    2) Full Scan - scans the entire system.
    3) Custom Scan - scans what file or directory you specify.

    Second, in the past, I've used McAfee, F-Prot, CA Internet Security, and Fix-It Utilities, for my virus scanners. Too bad that there isn't a command line scanner one can use for new uploads to the BBS. I also used to run the THDPro program, which allowed me to process new uploads immediately.

    Daryl

    ... Virus Check Complete. All viruses functioning normally.
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to Doug Cooper on Friday, July 24, 2020 08:56:00
    Doug,


    You're going to laugh at me. After all of the trouble shooting I've
    done, it was nodespy being loaded creating the delay (smh).

    First, I've rarely used Nodespy, unless I'm suspicious of a user. But,
    the BBS is now on my late Mom's computer, when the former one went +!+$
    up on me. :P It's in what was my late parents bedroom (my Dad and my wife
    died 13 1/2 years ago, and my Mom died a year ago)...so, the only time I'm
    at it, is for updating bulletins for the BBS, ham radio, or weather.

    Second, I've got 2 that'll beat that. <G>

    Recently, I couldn't figure out why batchfiles were quitting, after the Windows 10 Task Scheduler showed they had run, but nothing was being done.
    So, I opened the file, and saw two words...

    GOTO EXIT

    That explains why the messages never posted. :P

    But, years ago, when I was dating the woman who eventually became my
    Co-Sysop and wife, I was visiting her apartment. The BBS was still dial-up
    only back then, and I had set up a macro when I logged on at the host console...to enter my name, password, and anything else. It was at my
    parents home, in my bedroom. I moved out before I got married in 2003,
    but moved back here 2 years ago, a year before my Mom died.

    Well, I dialed in, connected, and got to the logon prompt. I was using
    the same terminal program (GT Power, which is both a terminal and host
    mode in one) on her computer, as I was at home. I hit the macro key, and nothing happened.

    I thought "WTH??" -- then, it hit me like a bolt of lightning. I could
    hear the BBS mocking me...

    "You aren't at the host console. You don't your password. You can't
    logon to your own BBS!!" <BLUSH!>.

    I felt so stupid...in this case, my initials stood for dumb $h+! :P

    Daryl

    ... No Virus Found. AARRGGHH!! I've got the No Virus!!
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  • From Kostie Muirhead@1:342/17 to Daryl Stout on Saturday, July 25, 2020 11:37:20
    Re: Re: Anti-Virus Suggestion
    By: Daryl Stout to Doug Cooper on Fri Jul 24 2020 08:56 am

    Fix-It Utilities, for my virus scanners. Too bad that there isn't a command line scanner one can use for new uploads to the BBS. I also used

    Clam-AV works nicely on the linux end for command line and on demand scanning, I wonder if it would work with a linux subsystem install under windows?
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  • From Doug Cooper@1:227/702 to August Abolins on Sunday, July 26, 2020 20:04:00
    I don't know what nodespy is, and the description at github sounds greek to me (middleware within middleware, node.js, etc..)


    Nodespy is kind of like the old waiting for caller screens that would allow SySops to view basic BBS stats such as callers, emails, posts, for the day, without having to login to see if we have email. In the dial up days waiting for call screens allowed us sysops to auto set security levels for users,
    hang up on them if they were malicious, jump in chat if paged, etc... nodespy is similar in that we can pick a node someone is connected to and perform
    basic functions like that. I had been using it to see if I had any email or calls, so I didn't have to go through the BBS login process to find out. However, when a user would connect, for some reason my Mystic nodespy take a minute to auto launch a separate terminal and display the user logging in. That delay was causing the issue. So I just quit launching the application and
    the problem went away. I still have a short cut to the ap so I can view the stats, then close it right back out. However another sysop tested his the
    same way and was unable to replicate the problem. So .. I'll likely upgrade
    my .45 to .46 Mystic this week to fix the problemo.

    -Doug

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground [@] theunderground.us:10023 <-port (1:227/702)
  • From Doug Cooper@1:227/702 to August Abolins on Sunday, July 26, 2020 20:07:41
    That sounds like a very sweet carrot, indeed!

    They provide the router and repeater for free?

    Whoops, hit save too quick!

    Yeah very cool carrot! I always love when that happens and you aren't even asking for it. I always say I'll set reminders to call these type of
    companies I give all of my money too, at least once a year, to see if any
    deals are going on, but always forget to. I just stumble into them .. my internet must decide to freak out at just the right times. Maybe they are linked .. hmmmm... lol.

    Yeah the router and the repeater and essentially considered "loaners" or "rentals" with just about any ISP out here (ATT, Fiber, Cable, etc..) that is returned if you ever leave them -- however most of the time the modem/router
    is so old by the time we switch over that they don't ask for it back and we long ago had bought our own and quit using it.

    -d

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground [@] theunderground.us:10023 <-port (1:227/702)
  • From Doug Cooper@1:227/702 to Daryl Stout on Sunday, July 26, 2020 20:14:22
    Let me try this again. I had more than one QWK packet, and I zapped the REP packet <blush!> -- I think it's too early in the day. :P

    First, I've never seen a setting of such with IObit. It does have 3 scanning options:

    1) Smart Scan - scans only the critical file areas of the system.
    2) Full Scan - scans the entire system.
    3) Custom Scan - scans what file or directory you specify.

    Second, in the past, I've used McAfee, F-Prot, CA Internet Security,
    and Fix-It Utilities, for my virus scanners. Too bad that there isn't a command line scanner one can use for new uploads to the BBS. I also used to run the THDPro program, which allowed me to process new uploads immediately.

    Daryl

    Ha! No worries, thats my every morning prior to a few cups of coffee. I'll try the IO bit now that my daughter flew back home this AM I'll have time to install. I remember McAfee, used to like it pretty well. Nortons came free with my laptop and I sware it won't uninstall. It somehow knows I've done
    so, and has extensions within chrome and who knows where else to send "reminders" that my PC isn't "protected," even when Windows 10 has built in virus and malware support (sigh ..) I remember trying IO bit and liked it, but had since reinstalled windows. The only application I didn't like of theirs (since my last post) is their driver update. It installed an updated driver to my laptop that disabled my Miracast, which took me a good hour to research how to turn back on. At the end of the day I had to delete and reinstall the wifi 6 driver prior to it working.

    -tG

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground [@] theunderground.us:10023 <-port (1:227/702)
  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to Kostie Muirhead on Sunday, July 26, 2020 18:34:00
    Clam-AV works nicely on the linux end for command line and on demand scanning, I wonder if it would work with a linux subsystem install
    under windows? ===

    I don't know....but on a ham radio traffic net last night, several
    noted that the next version of Windows will have a Linux Kernel System,
    or something like that. Not sure when it'll be released...let alone the
    full details. One ham radio operator said "he can't really comment on
    that" right now, but apparently he knows quite a bit.

    Daryl

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  • From Kostie Muirhead@1:342/17 to Daryl Stout on Monday, July 27, 2020 00:14:05
    Re: Re: Anti-Virus Suggestion
    By: Daryl Stout to Kostie Muirhead on Sun Jul 26 2020 06:34 pm

    I don't know....but on a ham radio traffic net last night, several
    noted that the next version of Windows will have a Linux Kernel System,
    or something like that. Not sure when it'll be released...let alone the

    Already exists; that's what I'm referring to.

    https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10

    Works alright, though I prefer to go the other direction most of the time and let Linux have the driver's seat ;)
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  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Kostie Muirhead on Monday, July 27, 2020 17:29:30
    Hello Kostie!

    27 Jul 2020 00:14, Kostie Muirhead wrote to Daryl Stout:

    https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10

    Works alright, though I prefer to go the other direction most of the
    time and let Linux have the driver's seat ;)

    haha, stop shareing the problem then :)


    Regards Benny

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to Doug Cooper on Monday, July 27, 2020 13:48:00
    Doug,

    Ha! No worries, thats my every morning prior to a few cups of coffee.

    You can drink an extra cup for me. I never acquired a taste for it, but
    am currently drinking diet green tea citrus...over a half gallon a day. Tea
    is a diuretic, but better for me than carbonated beverasges.

    I'll try the IO bit now that my daughter flew back home this AM I'll
    have time to install. I remember McAfee, used to like it pretty well.

    That was the first one I used.

    Nortons came free with my laptop and I sware it won't uninstall. It somehow knows I've done so, and has extensions within chrome and who
    knows where else to send "reminders" that my PC isn't "protected," even when Windows 10 has built in virus and malware support (sigh ..) I remember trying IO bit and liked it, but had since reinstalled windows.

    There were a lot of false positives with Norton's. And, most anti-virus programs throw a fit if they detect another anti-virus deal on the system.
    The only one I've seen that does not throw a fit is the Sophos Anti-Virus software.

    The only application I didn't like of theirs (since my last post) is their driver update. It installed an updated driver to my laptop that disabled my Miracast, which took me a good hour to research how to turn back on. At the end of the day I had to delete and reinstall the wifi
    6 driver prior to it working.

    I had to get rid of Firefox. Something this last Windows 10 update did, Firefox would never load after a reboot. Plus, it kept crashing when I was
    on Facebook. And, I surely don't want to use Microsoft Edge.

    Daryl

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  • From Doug Cooper@1:227/702 to Daryl Stout on Tuesday, July 28, 2020 02:23:26
    You can drink an extra cup for me. I never acquired a taste for it, but am currently drinking diet green tea citrus...over a half gallon a day. Tea is a diuretic, but better for me than carbonated beverasges.

    I love tea! My favorite is PG Tips. I do like darker coffees / teas though. But my parents were raised in New York and thats what they drank. I got used to putting too much cream and sugar in either; i'm down to cream. I can't do diuretic's, as I've had past kidney failure. Oddly, the doctors said coffee was fine while within the hospital, but not tea. I can feel the difference too, as the caffine does not impact me with coffee, but amps up my heart rate with tea. But I love how tea stays hotter then coffee, even if a coffee
    press is used. Wierd.

    That was the first one I used.

    Nortons came free with my laptop and I sware it won't uninstall. It somehow knows I've done so, and has extensions within chrome and who knows where else to send "reminders" that my PC isn't "protected," ev when Windows 10 has built in virus and malware support (sigh ..) I remember trying IO bit and liked it, but had since reinstalled window

    There were a lot of false positives with Norton's. And, most anti-virus programs throw a fit if they detect another anti-virus deal on the
    system. The only one I've seen that does not throw a fit is the Sophos Anti-Virus software.


    I had been away from windows for a good part of 7 years while running my business. I was able to use my iphone for all business functions. What I'm not liking about windows 10 is it's apparent attempt to transition to more of
    a google chrome environment. I don't like the "Ap" features, nor the abandonment of 16bit applications, nor the punisment to 8gb of memory if the
    32 bit version of 10 is used. I always find it odd that either the softare
    is ahead of the hardware or visa versa. I think ensuring
    downward compatibility is important, if for anything nostalgia. But the push for cloud computing I reject. I'd rather have my stuff on my system and
    not tied to a paid format. I remember being able to load multiple malware programs, each more effective with particular types, then others. In
    addition, a free standing virus program. I uninstalled ALL anti virus and
    have been using whats built in to windows 10 now, which works well. I have found that one program will state all is good, the other will find 10 errors somewhere and correct, causing the other to freak out. Without knowing
    enough about the inner workings of said programs, I, for the moment, have
    given up on all of them.

    I had to get rid of Firefox. Something this last Windows 10 update
    did, Firefox would never load after a reboot. Plus, it kept crashing
    when I was on Facebook. And, I surely don't want to use Microsoft Edge.


    Re install it. It works just fine. Maybe you had an older version. I like firefox, it has an incredible java script instruction guide. So I keep it around for that purpose if for anything else. It's also as compatible with
    web pages as chrome with what appears to be less invasive notifications and snooping. Tor is my goto, to avoid more tracking and the such, but it's slower. Edge is horrible, as is the built in wanna be version of outlook. It's so bad, most attachments aren't even accessible. I'm slightly disappointed within Win 10, but ... its the operating system I know. I use powershell more often then windows anyway. But, I'm planning on connecting
    my pi4's (3 of them) and learning linux for the first time, here in a few
    weeks (which I've been saying since March, but ... life gets in the way). My kids are already ahead of me on the PI's. Smh.

    -dc

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: The Underground [@] theunderground.us:10023 <-port (1:227/702)
  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to Doug Cooper on Wednesday, July 29, 2020 06:33:00
    Doug,

    Tea is a diuretic, but better for me than carbonated beverasges.

    I love tea! My favorite is PG Tips. I do like darker coffees / teas though. But my parents were raised in New York and thats what they
    drank. I got used to putting too much cream and sugar in either; i'm
    down to cream. I can't do diuretic's, as I've had past kidney failure.
    Oddly, the doctors said coffee was fine while within the hospital, but not tea. I can feel the difference too, as the caffine does not impact
    me with coffee, but amps up my heart rate with tea. But I love how tea stays hotter then coffee, even if a coffee press is used. Wierd.

    Well, with drinking over a half gallon a day (I'm into heavy drinking <G>), you can guess what I'm doing several times a day and night. <G>

    I had been away from windows for a good part of 7 years while running
    my business. I was able to use my iphone for all business functions.
    What I'm not liking about windows 10 is it's apparent attempt to transition to more of a google chrome environment. I don't like the
    "Ap" features, nor the abandonment of 16bit applications, nor the punisment to 8gb of memory if the 32 bit version of 10 is used. I
    always find it odd that either the softare is ahead of the hardware or visa versa. I think ensuring downward compatibility is important, if
    for anything nostalgia. But the push for cloud computing I reject.

    I'd rather have my stuff on my system and not tied to a paid format. I remember being able to load multiple malware programs, each more
    effective with particular types, then others. In addition, a free standing virus program. I uninstalled ALL anti virus and have been
    using whats built in to windows 10 now, which works well. I have found that one program will state all is good, the other will find 10 errors somewhere and correct, causing the other to freak out. Without knowing enough about the inner workings of said programs, I, for the moment,
    have given up on all of them.

    I understand they are now integrating a Linux type shell with it, and it
    will be for future versions as well. I think they're doing to that to pick
    up the folks that are using Linux. I doubt they could get it set to also
    do Mac (Apple) programs...but stranger things have happened.

    I have considered putting the BBS in the cloud, so I wouldn't have to
    shut it down every time there was a threat of thunderstorms (as there
    is to end the month of July, 2020). But, right now, finances are tighter
    than a frog's butt underwater, so I have to wait on that.

    At one time, the Synchronet Control Panel showed an "alert" with the
    IObit Malware deal, but I marked it as a false positive. Windows Defender screamed "infection" with any other malware detection, except its own. The
    only anti-virus program I've known to not "throw a fit" with any other anti-virus programs, was the one from Sophos. They have what's called the "Naked Security Blog"...alerting you to all kinds of threats.

    Re install it. It works just fine. Maybe you had an older version. I like firefox, it has an incredible java script instruction guide. So I keep it around for that purpose if for anything else. It's also as compatible with web pages as chrome with what appears to be less
    invasive notifications and snooping. Tor is my goto, to avoid more tracking and the such, but it's slower. Edge is horrible, as is the
    built in wanna be version of outlook. It's so bad, most attachments
    aren't even accessible. I'm slightly disappointed within Win 10, but
    ... its the operating system I know. I use powershell more often then windows anyway. But, I'm planning on connecting my pi4's (3 of them)
    and learning linux for the first time, here in a few weeks (which I've been saying since March, but ... life gets in the way). My kids are already ahead of me on the PI's. Smh.

    I tried that already...no dice. Also, Firefox crashed constantly on
    Facebook.

    Daryl

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