On 04-01-19 07:43, Gerhard Strangar <=-
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So when I drive from Finland 'to' Gibraltar I never enter the UK.

I don't know what you're trying to say. You do not enter
the UK, because Gibraltar is not part of the UK, however it

Gibraltar is part of the UK. Look it up.

In the early 70s when I lived in England, I had wanted to visit
Gibraltar as a home base for touring Spain by rented auto. I discovered
that, at that time, such travel was impossible because Spain had closed
the border -- because of some dispute they were having with the UK.

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Am 02 Apr 19 01:33:02 schrob Dale Shipp an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema <Gibraltar>

Gibraltar is part of the UK. Look it up.

You need to correct some Wikipedia articles, then: ------------------------------------------------------------- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom
[...]
Membership
England
Northern Ireland
Scotland
Wales
[...]
The United Kingdom has sovereignty over seventeen territories which do not form
part of the United Kingdom itself: fourteen British Overseas Territories[26] and three Crown dependencies.[26][169]
The fourteen British Overseas Territories are: [...]; Gibraltar; [...] -------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------------------------- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar
Gibraltar was nominated to be included on the United Nations list of Non-Self-Governing Territories by the United Kingdom when the list was created in 1946[58] and has been listed ever since.[59] The government of Gibraltar has
actively worked to have Gibraltar removed from the list,[60] and in 2008 the British government declared Gibraltar's continued presence on the list an anachronism.[61]
-------------------------------------------------------------

And you also need to get rid of the fake TLD .gi where someone seems to spend all his spare time on making up fake laws: https://www.gibraltarlaws.gov.gi/full_index.php
for example the one about "Amendments to facilitate passporting between Gibraltar and the United Kingdom".




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border controls at the Californian border? I think there's also one state where individuals can legally own machine guns, do they have

That may be Kentucky. They used to have a big gun day down near Fort Knox where you could bring anything and shoot it on an outdoor range.

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There's no state that won't transfer custody to another state. Provincial borders are not bothering anybody that I know of; it's the international borders, and for me, it's the US-Mexico border

What's the problem with the Canadian border? ;-)

None on this side. They may not want US wandering North, however. :)

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On 04-02-19 18:17, Gerhard Strangar <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Gibraltar <=-

Gibraltar is part of the UK. Look it up.

You need to correct some Wikipedia articles, then:

Why would I do that (nor do I know how to do that). I see nothing wrong
with the articles I have seen, nor what you quote, nor what I said.

The fourteen British Overseas Territories are: [...]; Gibraltar; [...]

So -- as you say, Gibraltar is a territory of the UK, i.e. it is part of
the UK.

The government of Gibraltar has actively worked to have
Gibraltar removed from the list,[60] and in 2008 the
British government declared Gibraltar's continued presence
on the list an anachronism.[61]

That may be, but is also considerably later than the time I was talking
about from my personal experience in the early 1970's. If Gibraltar
wants to become independent -- so be it, but what you quote implies that
has not yet happened.

And you also need to get rid of the fake TLD .gi where
someone seems to spend all his spare time on making up fake
laws:

I have no idea what you are talking about there. I have no knowledge of
a fake TLD .gi.

Dale Shipp
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That may be Kentucky. They used to have a big gun day down near Fort
Knox where you could bring anything and shoot it on an outdoor range.

Really?

So I could bring my mother-in-law and shoot her?

Where do I sign-up?

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Am 03 Apr 19 01:36:00 schrob Dale Shipp an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
<Re: Gibraltar>

So -- as you say, Gibraltar is a territory of the UK, i.e. it is part of the UK.

Do you also consider Puerto Rico to be part of the USA?

---------------------------------------------------------------------- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Overseas_Territories
The British Overseas Territories (BOTs) or United Kingdom Overseas Territories (UKOTs) are 14 territories under the jurisdiction and sovereignty of the United
Kingdom.[1][2] They are remnants of the British Empire that have not been granted independence or have voted to remain British territories. These territories do not form part of the United Kingdom and, with the exception of Gibraltar, are not part of the European Union. ----------------------------------------------------------------------




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So -- as you say, Gibraltar is a territory of the UK, i.e. it is part GS>DS> of the UK.

Do you also consider Puerto Rico to be part of the USA?

Is St.Pierre et Miquelon part of France? And therefor of Europe?

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Hello Aaron,

WD> at>WD> That's what we have in the EU between the 26 Schengen
countries ...
WD>
WD> at> How many of those countries are 3rd world countries?
WD>
WD> The same number as your 50 states..

We have different definitions of "third world countries." We also sometimes >call them "LDCs," or "Less Developed Countries."

We also have different mathematical rules; in the USA, you can't make 50 out >of 26.

Virginia split itself into two states.
Texas can split itself into multiple states.
California can split itself into multiple states.

States can leave and become an independent state.
This has happened before. And can happen again.

A municipality can become a state.
A territory can become a state.
A banana republic can become a state.
Another country can become a state.

Who is to say how many states the USA can, or cannot, have?

There is no number specified in the US Constitution.

Maybe the USA should simply be one big state.
That way, in order to leave, the state would have
no choice but to secede from itself.

--Lee

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Hello Gerhard,

I can drive from the north of Finland to Gibraltar, cross 7 or 8 >GS>>WD>countries/borders without having to show any documentation

You'd better do that soon, Gibraltar is part of her majesty's Brexit.

Just so you know, that is already the case as the UK has never been a >WD>Schengen country.
So when I drive from Finland 'to' Gibraltar I never enter the UK.

I don't know what you're trying to say. You do not enter the UK, because
Gibraltar is not part of the UK, however it is part of the EU due to the
UK's contract and thus will be leaving along with the UK. If you don't have to show your ID now, you surely will have to after the hard Brexit on April the 12th - or whenever the EU decides that we've had enough of what seems
to be the longest Monty Python sketch ever.

Oh, Brexit is just the start. The start of a new end.

First, the UK portion of England/Wales/Scotland/N. Ireland
separates itself from the EU.

Then, Ireland does away with N. Ireland by declaring N. Ireland
part of Ireland, which remains part of the EU.

Then, Scotland removes itself from the UK, thus returning to the EU.

Then, Wales removes itself from the UK, thus returning to the EU.

Then, with no more PM ruling over England, all the people
of Merry Ol' England declare "God Save the Queen!"

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Hello Ward,

The same number as your 50 states..

At last count, the US had 46 states and 4 commonwealths.
And 1 municipality.
Could you fill us all in as to what the other 4 states might be?

Sure ... insanity, bankrupt, unreliable, untrustworthy ...

Does that include our Banana Republic (Louisiana) which
somehow got classified as a state?

OTOH, Louisiana does have the best politicians money can buy ...

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Congresswoman AOC is in favor of free-range humans; no wall, just

walk or

drive across national borders freely without the need for a

passport.

We do that between states in this country. You don't have people
freely coming across the Mediterranean to enter Europe, or from Russia.

Europe as a whole is analogous to the US as a whole, with its member
countries being the equivalent of individual states here
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Moreover, they could just go to California for some mariuana. Are

there

border controls at the Californian border?

Yes, I have been stopped at the California-border when entering from

Nevada.

Car searched, Trailways bus searched.

California calls those customs stations 'agricultural inspection'
stations, that gets them around the Constitutional ban on interfering
with interstate commerce. The last few times (most recently in 1994) I
was in California I was not stopped at the border (on I-80), but in the
very dim past I was (on US-99 and on US-95)
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border controls at the Californian border? I think there's

also one

state where individuals can legally own machine guns, do they

have

That may be Kentucky. They used to have a big gun day down near Fort

Knox

where you could bring anything and shoot it on an outdoor range.

I'm sure BATF doesn't like it, but pretty much anybody can own a
machine gun if they pay a $200 tax - which BATF will not accept if
offered, even though they were founded as a tax collection agency
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Am 03 Apr 19 01:36:00 schrob Dale Shipp an Gerhard Strangar zum

Thema

<Re: Gibraltar>

So -- as you say, Gibraltar is a territory of the UK, i.e. it is

part of

the UK.

Do you also consider Puerto Rico to be part of the USA?

It's a 'territory.' As are Samoa and the Mariana Islands and a couple
of Caribbean islands.

Hawaii used to be a territory until it was granted statehood in 1959.
Hawaii was in independent kingdom until the US illegally conquered and
annexed it in 1898 because the Hawaiian government wouldn't let the US
navy build a base at the mouth of the Pearl River (said base is now
known as Pearl Harbor). That's pretty much what Putin did to Crimea a
couple of years ago
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Hello Aaron,

WD> at>WD> That's what we have in the EU between the 26 Schengen countries ...
WD>
WD> at> How many of those countries are 3rd world countries?
WD>
WD> The same number as your 50 states..

We have different definitions of "third world countries." We also

sometimes

call them "LDCs," or "Less Developed Countries."

We also have different mathematical rules; in the USA, you can't

make 50 out

of 26.

Virginia split itself into two states.

It did not. The western counties of Virginia seceded from that state
and were admitted - contrary to the provisions of the US Constitution 0-
as a separate, new state.

Texas can split itself into multiple states.
California can split itself into multiple states.

Los Angeles got one of its pet judges to remove that measure - to split California into three states - from the ballot. That measure would
have passed by a wide margin in every part of the state except Los
Angeles.

States can leave and become an independent state.
This has happened before. And can happen again.

That caused a war that the South lost - despite Mr. Lincoln's claim,
made in an 1848 speech, that states had the right to do exactly what
the South did. Apparently after he got into power he changed his mind.
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That may be Kentucky. They used to have a big gun day down near Fort
Knox where you could bring anything and shoot it on an outdoor range.

Really?

So I could bring my mother-in-law and shoot her?

Where do I sign-up?

I do believe that there are restrictions on what you can shoot at. :)

Mike

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Virginia split itself into two states.

Actually, three -- Kentucky back in the 1790's, and West Virginia during the 1860's are the other two.

Parts of Ohio and Indiana were also part of Virginia's territories before becoming part of another territory.

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On 04-03-19 15:57, Gerhard Strangar <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Gibraltar <=-

Am 03 Apr 19 01:36:00 schrob Dale Shipp an Gerhard Strangar zum
Thema <Re: Gibraltar>

So -- as you say, Gibraltar is a territory of the UK, i.e. it is part of the UK.

Do you also consider Puerto Rico to be part of the USA?

Definitely. The people of Puerto Rico are American citizens, albeit
without representation in the Congress.

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That may be Kentucky. They used to have a big gun day down near
Fort Knox where you could bring anything and shoot it on an outdoor

range.

So I could bring my mother-in-law and shoot her?

I do believe that there are restrictions on what you can shoot at. :)

"anything" sounds pretty unrestricted by me ... 8-)

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Am 03 Apr 19 16:16:23 schrob Ward Dossche an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
<Re: Gibraltar>

Is St.Pierre et Miquelon part of France? And therefor of Europe?

It's not a département and therefore not part of the EU. And it's part of North
Amrica, not Europe.
French Guiana is part of the EU, though.



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Is St.Pierre et Miquelon part of France? And therefor of Europe?

It's not a département and therefore not part of the EU. And it's part of North Amrica, not Europe.

Hmmm ... the official currency is the Euro and in July non-stop flights to Paris CDG are started.

I think I can even go there without a passport as it seems Schengen rules apply.

French Guiana is part of the EU, though.

How about Mururoa ? Martinique?

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Am 04 Apr 19 18:25:08 schrob Ward Dossche an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
<Re: Gibraltar>

Hmmm ... the official currency is the Euro and in July non-stop flights
to Paris CDG are started.

So what?
Montenegro and Kosovo both replaced the Dinar with Deutsche Mark and later on also changed to Euro without being in the European Currency Union.

I think I can even go there without a passport as it seems Schengen
rules apply.

They don't. I don't know if you need a passport, though. AFAIR I've never had one, my German ID card was suffiecent for Turkey and even the CSSR.

French Guiana is part of the EU, though.

How about Mururoa ? Martinique?

For details, read this in your favourite language: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:12012E/TXT

Or if you're good at geography, grab a Euro bank note and look at the shape of the islands. However, you might want to use a 500 Euro note, they're too small on the other ones. :-)



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French Guiana is part of the EU, though.

How about Mururoa ? Martinique?

I am starting to wonder if you are planning a Carribean vacation and are
hoping that GS will do all of the research for you. :)

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How about Mururoa ? Martinique?

I am starting to wonder if you are planning a Carribean vacation and are hoping that GS will do all of the research for you. :)

Next I intend to ask him about recommended hotels ...

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On 04-03-19 15:57, Gerhard Strangar <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Gibraltar <=-

Am 03 Apr 19 01:36:00 schrob Dale Shipp an Gerhard Strangar zum
Thema <Re: Gibraltar>

So -- as you say, Gibraltar is a territory of the UK, i.e. it is

part of

the UK.

Do you also consider Puerto Rico to be part of the USA?

Definitely. The people of Puerto Rico are American citizens, albeit
without representation in the Congress.

I don't think they get to vote for president, either, unless they have
an official residence in a state and can vote absentee there
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Am 07 Apr 19 22:11:40 schrob Ward Dossche an Mike Powell zum Thema
<Re: Gibraltar>

How about Mururoa ? Martinique?

Next I intend to ask him about recommended hotels ...

Mururoa might only have a fallout shelter.



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How about Mururoa ? Martinique?

Next I intend to ask him about recommended hotels ...

Mururoa might only have a fallout shelter.

The fishing's great ... a lot of glowfish ...

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Hello Everybody,

Gibraltar. Spain wants it back. Think the UK will allow it
to happen? Or will the Spanish send in another armada to make
it their own again?

https://www.thetrumpet.com/18594-spain-demands-decolonization-of
-gibraltar

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