This question is for anyone who has an answer they feel strongly about:

Why did liberals regret Trump's victory in 2016?

If Obama had lost to Romney in 2012, would that have ruined something for the liberals?

Obama was fortunate enough to have a good autopilot system engaged throughout his presidency; he wasn't bothered by nuclear threat, ISIS, caging children,
or any of these things that cause Trump so much grief. He winged it well and even found time to diss the handicapped on late night TV.

Democrats have lost presidential elections to Republicans before, obviously.
So why now is it such a huge disastrous loss with the man who they racistly call "the orange one?"

I'm sure Hillary was gonna wing things too; she knows right where the
autopilot button is in the Oval Office.. So what other button were the democrats hoping she was gonna press??

What makes liberals wealthy? And which voting topics were up for discussion
in the past 4 years? Or maybe the upcoming 4 years? I bet there's a correlation, but I haven't pinpointed it yet.

One thing that's for sure is that people get angry when people cost them
money.

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On 08-01-19 18:26, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to All about What happened? <=-

This question is for anyone who has an answer they feel strongly
about:
Why did liberals regret Trump's victory in 2016?

For starters, because he lied to the American people, and continues to
lie during office (last count was 10,000).

And then, the way that he is tearing up relations with allies and
hob-nobing with totalitarian dictators who he sees as role models.

Next, because he is filling jobs with people who are not qualified, and
in some cases bordering on criminality.

And then, the way that he is down playing the advice of the intelligence community -- taking the word of Putin that Russia did not interfere in
our election over the evidence given to him by multiple agencies.

Finally, the way that he is spreading hate and divisiveness -- embolding
white nationalists and other fringe groups.

Is that enough for you?

Dale Shipp
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On 04 Aug 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 08-01-19 18:26, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to All about What happened? <=-

This question is for anyone who has an answer they feel strongly about:
Why did liberals regret Trump's victory in 2016?

For starters, because he lied to the American people, and continues to
lie during office (last count was 10,000).

That's quite enough, PUSU 10,000 is a exaggeration.
Honestly. I do not think that any list of such allegations is accurate or has any truth within such a list.

And then, the way that he is tearing up relations with allies and hob-nobing with totalitarian dictators who he sees as role models.

Next, because he is filling jobs with people who are not qualified, and
in some cases bordering on criminality.

Who are you, to suggest that they are qualified or not?
You're on the left and so are people like pencil neck Adam Schiff and others. POTUS has been a successful to spite your party trying to stand in his way.

And then, the way that he is down playing the advice of the intelligence community -- taking the word of Putin that Russia did not interfere in
our election over the evidence given to him by multiple agencies.

Finally, the way that he is spreading hate and divisiveness -- embolding white nationalists and other fringe groups.

Just because you say these things, does not make them true or valid.

Why?

because Dale,the people on the right can see right through the things coming from the left as if they were transparent clear cellophane.

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Is that enough for you?

But liberals were angry & testy before he supposedly did all this stuff. They didn't like his tone of voice, and they didn't like him being white or male.

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On 08-06-19 10:35, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: What happened? <=-

Is that enough for you?

But liberals were angry & testy before he supposedly did all this
stuff. They didn't like his tone of voice, and they didn't like him
being white or male.

It is not "supposedly". He did all of it and more. Much of it was done
even while he was still campaigning.

It is not because he is a white male, but the fact that he denigrates
anyone who is not a white male is another factor. His talk has
contributed to white nationalistic hate crimes. The shooter in El Paso
quoted him directly as part of the justification for what was done
there.

Dale Shipp
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On 07 Aug 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 08-06-19 10:35, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: What happened? <=-

Is that enough for you?

But liberals were angry & testy before he supposedly did all this stuff. They didn't like his tone of voice, and they didn't like him being white or male.

It is not "supposedly". He did all of it and more. Much of it was done even while he was still campaigning.

It is not because he is a white male, but the fact that he denigrates anyone who is not a white male is another factor. His talk has contributed to white nationalistic hate crimes. The shooter in El Paso quoted him directly as part of the justification for what was done
there.

Go ahead take a look at minority unemployment, I'll wait.
Then tell me again about the race card, that you have book marked in your play-book.

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It is not "supposedly". He did all of it and more. Much of it was done even while he was still campaigning.

All of that stuff on your list is opinion. Can you give some facts?

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On 08-07-19 07:19, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: What happened? <=-

It is not because he is a white male, but the fact that he denigrates anyone who is not a white male is another factor. His talk has contributed to white nationalistic hate crimes. The shooter in El Paso quoted him directly as part of the justification for what was done
there.

Go ahead take a look at minority unemployment, I'll wait.
Then tell me again about the race card, that you have book marked in
your play-book.

I suppose that is your method of not answering a topic that is
uncomfortable to you. Pivot to something else. Are you sure that you
are not a politician?

Dale Shipp
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On 08-07-19 08:56, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: What happened? <=-

It is not "supposedly". He did all of it and more. Much of it was done even while he was still campaigning.

All of that stuff on your list is opinion. Can you give some facts?

I welcome you to tell us all which of the five things I listed is not a
fact -- and why.

Dale Shipp
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On 08 Aug 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 08-07-19 07:19, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: What happened? <=-

It is not because he is a white male, but the fact that he denigrates anyone who is not a white male is another factor. His talk has contributed to white nationalistic hate crimes. The shooter in El Pa quoted him directly as part of the justification for what was done there.

Go ahead take a look at minority unemployment, I'll wait.
Then tell me again about the race card, that you have book marked in your play-book.

I suppose that is your method of not answering a topic that is uncomfortable to you. Pivot to something else. Are you sure that you
are not a politician?

I did not see any sentence that was in the form of a question.. "?"

Ask it.. and I will answer it.

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On 08-01-19 18:26, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to All about What happened? <=-

This question is for anyone who has an answer they feel strongly
about:
Why did liberals regret Trump's victory in 2016?

For starters, because he lied to the American people, and continues to
lie during office (last count was 10,000).

Dale, politicians have been lying to the American people for well over
half a century. There's no such thing as an honest politician in this
country
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On 08-04-19, DALE SHIPP said to AARON THOMAS:

On 08-01-19 18:26, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to All about What happened? <=-

This question is for anyone who has an answer they feel strongly
about:
Why did liberals regret Trump's victory in 2016?

For starters, because he lied to the American people, and continues to DS>lie during office (last count was 10,000).

One of the accusations I see thrown around about Trump...but never any
actual instances he did.

And then, the way that he is tearing up relations with allies and

After all the years of America paying the defense bills of countries who weren't paying their share; trump demanded they start paying!


All the money we've poured into places like Mexico and some other countries south of our southern border, its time they stop allowing the free flow of illegal border crossers coming through their countries!


All the drugs that pour across the Mexican border, its about time we stop
being nice to Mexico. They (Mexico) could do a lot more to stop it.

hob-nobing with totalitarian dictators who he sees as role models.

How much you wanna bet this is that `Putin' crap again!

Next, because he is filling jobs with people who are not qualified, and DS>in some cases bordering on criminality.

There are more people working now than in many years! More blacks, hispanics, asians, women than ever before!

And then, the way that he is down playing the advice of the intelligence DS>community --

If you look at some of the `intelligence' community who comprised a large part of the `deep state'....you gotta wonder how any of them can be believed. (And when Shipp throws a comeback on that I'll give you a real good illustration of what I mean on it) Some of them probably belong in jail.

taking the word of Putin that Russia did not interfere in
our election over the evidence given to him by multiple agencies.

`Nobody' takes Putin's word on anything!

Finally, the way that he is spreading hate and divisiveness -- embolding DS>white nationalists and other fringe groups.

He's doing no such thing. Notice how they conveniently ignore the hatred and violence of olutfits like Black Lives Matter....Antifa.....and the violent prone `demonstrators' who gathered at Mitch McConnell's home shouting curses and threats?

Is that enough for you?

The lefties are a real hoot!


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On 08-06-19, AARON THOMAS said to DALE SHIPP:

Is that enough for you?

But liberals were angry & testy before he supposedly did all this stuff. AT>They didn't like his tone of voice, and they didn't like him being white

or male. ---

See.....Trump wasn't supposed to win. Hillary was supposed to win in a walk. Comey would still be FBI director....Brennan and the other guy (Clapper?)
would still be running things in `intelligence' .....we'd be having rosy days and party-time nights....and everything would be great in a `democrat' sort of way.


But Trump won in probably the biggest national election upset ever, and all
the democrats' rosy notions of how Hillary'd be running things...handing out largess here and there....went down the tubes.


And its been one big two year attack on him since he won the election.


I was born just before Pearl Harbor, and I've never seen any president in my lifetime attacked so steadily as Trump has been since election night. He's
been under constant democrat attack from the start. Not even Nixon got the treatment Trump is getting from the democrats.


And make no mistake....the democrats don't care if they ruin the country or flood it with illegals in their efforts to `get Trump'. If it means ending America as we knew it...they don't care. They are completely blinded by their hatred of Donald Trump.


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I welcome you to tell us all which of the five things I listed is not a fact -- and why.

"He lied." About what? That's vague! "To the American people" doesn't help
much either.

"Hob-knobbing with dictators." That's what Obama did with Castro, and that's what Obama should have done with Kim when nobody was quite sure what his intentions were with his nukes.

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And make no mistake....the democrats don't care if they ruin the country or flood it with illegals in their efforts to `get Trump'. If it means

I've noticed that too. Trump wants a border wall? Then the democrats want to erase the border. Trump wants illegals out of here, democrats like Andrew
Cuomo want them to have driver licenses. Trump was born in NYC, he's the
POTUS, but Bill Deblasio says Trump is "not welcome to come back to NYC."

Trump stopped taxpayers from funding terrorism (Iranian Nuclear Deal,) so what's next? Would it be politically correct for us all to convert to Islam?
I like good democrats (there are a few) but at a time like this, I don't
trust any of them while they're on a mission to do whatever's backwards.

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On 08-08-19 07:19, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: What happened? <=-

It is not because he is a white male, but the
fact that he denigrates
anyone who is not a white male is another factor. His talk has contributed to white nationalistic hate crimes.
The shooter in El Paso
quoted him directly as part of the justification for what was done
there.

Go ahead take a look at minority unemployment, I'll wait.
Then tell me again about the race card, that you have book marked in
your play-book.

I suppose that is your method of not answering a topic that is uncomfortable to you. Pivot to something else. Are you sure that you
are not a politician?

I did not see any sentence that was in the form of a question.. "?"

Ask it.. and I will answer it.

You must be a politician. OK, I'll play your game. What is your
response to the statements made above by me in the top paragraph????

Dale Shipp
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On 08-08-19 10:52, Bob Ackley <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: What happened? <=-

On 08-01-19 18:26, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to All about What happened? <=-

This question is for anyone who has an answer they feel strongly
about:
Why did liberals regret Trump's victory in 2016?

For starters, because he lied to the American people, and continues to
lie during office (last count was 10,000).

Dale, politicians have been lying to the American people for well over half a century. There's no such thing as an honest politician in this country

Never to the extent that Trump has done, nor as bluntly.

Dale Shipp
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And make no mistake....the democrats don't care if they ruin the

country

or flood it with illegals in their efforts to `get Trump'. If it

means

I've noticed that too. Trump wants a border wall? Then the democrats

want to

erase the border. Trump wants illegals out of here, democrats like

Andrew

Cuomo want them to have driver licenses. Trump was born in NYC, he's

the

POTUS, but Bill Deblasio says Trump is "not welcome to come back to

NYC."

Were I Donald Trump I'd just say "Fine" and pull every dime I have in
vested in NYC and every job I created there out of it.
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On 08-08-19 07:19, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: What happened? <=-

It is not because he is a white male, but the
fact that he denigrates
anyone who is not a white male is another factor.

I've never heard him do that. But note that I only watch about eight
hours of television a week and that only because I'm literally tied to
the television.

His talk has

contributed to white nationalistic hate crimes.

Hatred is not limited to "white nationalists." Listen to any leftist - including several candidates for president - talking about Donald Trump.

The shooter in El Paso
quoted him directly as part of the justification for what was

done

there.

There is no justification for what was done there
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This question is for anyone who has an answer they feel

strongly

about:
Why did liberals regret Trump's victory in 2016?

For starters, because he lied to the American people, and

continues to

lie during office (last count was 10,000).

Dale, politicians have been lying to the American people for

well over

half a century. There's no such thing as an honest politician

in this

country

Never to the extent that Trump has done, nor as bluntly.

I don't believe that for a second. Bill Clinton has Trump beaten,
hands down WRT lying
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On 08-09-19 10:18, Bob Ackley <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: What happened? <=-

On 08-08-19 07:19, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: What happened? <=-

It is not because he is a white male, but the
fact that he denigrates
anyone who is not a white male is another factor.

I've never heard him do that. But note that I only watch about eight hours of television a week and that only because I'm literally tied to
the television.

Then you have not been paying attention.

Start with his response to Charlotsville two years ago when a white
nationalist killed a woman and injured others, all the while when the
white nationalists were marching chanting hate slogans. His reponse was
"there are good people on both sides", nothing to condemn what the white nationalists were doing.

Continue through almost all of his campaign rallies, before and after
election when he touted the theme of invasion from the south by Mexicans
and other hispanics, calling them rapists and murderers.


DS > His talk has

contributed to white nationalistic hate crimes.

Hatred is not limited to "white nationalists." Listen to any leftist
- including several candidates for president - talking about Donald Trump.

Yes, they are speaking out about him and his policy -- often with fervor
and distain. But they are not inciting riots and murder.

The shooter in El Paso
quoted him directly as part of the justification for what was
done there.

There is no justification for what was done there

Of course not, but nevertheless -- that is what he said.

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Hello Aaron,

I welcome you to tell us all which of the five things I listed is not a >DS>fact -- and why.

"He lied." About what? That's vague! "To the American people" doesn't help >much either.

"Hob-knobbing with dictators." That's what Obama did with Castro, and that's >what Obama should have done with Kim when nobody was quite sure what his >intentions were with his nukes.

The North Korean dictator launched two more missiles today.
And still has his entire stockpile of nukes. And the capability
to continue adding to it. So what has President Trump been able
to accomplish, with three visits with his sweetheart? Nothing.
Not a damned thing.

Do you think the Japanese Prime Minister was happy to find missiles
capable of hitting his country being fired by NK? Not at all.
How much longer do you think Japan will wait before it develops
its own nuclear weapons? How much longer do you think Vietnam
will wait before it develops its own nuclear weapons? How much
longer do you think South Korea will wait before it develops its
own nuclear weapons?

Since the USA will not protect them, they know they have to protect
themselves. That is the way things work in the real world.

--Lee

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POTUS, but Bill Deblasio says Trump is "not welcome to come back to

NYC."

Were I Donald Trump I'd just say "Fine" and pull every dime I have in vested in NYC and every job I created there out of it.

I understand that feeling, but I think Trump cares too much about his
citizens to do that. Plus, I don't think Deblasio can really kick Trump out
of NYC, but he's trying to make Trump feel unwelcome there, which is not very presidential, in my opinion :)

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On 08-09-19 10:18, Bob Ackley <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: What happened? <=-

On 08-08-19 07:19, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: What happened? <=-

It is not because he is a white male, but the
fact that he denigrates
anyone who is not a white male is another factor.

I've never heard him do that. But note that I only watch about

eight

hours of television a week and that only because I'm literally

tied to

the television.

Then you have not been paying attention.

To the television, yes. I quit watching television thirty plus years
ago, there wasn't anything worth watching then and there still isn't.
The only reason I watch ANY television is the fact that I have to sit
through four hours of kidney dialysis twice a week, and during the
treatment I'm in a recliner, but I can't move my left arm (that's where
the blood is drann and replaced). I've tried sleeping but thus far
haven't been able to.
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Hello Dale,

Is that enough for you?

But liberals were angry & testy before he supposedly did all this >AT>stuff. They didn't like his tone of voice, and they didn't like him >AT>being white or male.

It is not "supposedly". He did all of it and more. Much of it was done
even while he was still campaigning.

It is not because he is a white male, but the fact that he denigrates
anyone who is not a white male is another factor. His talk has
contributed to white nationalistic hate crimes. The shooter in El Paso >quoted him directly as part of the justification for what was done
there.

Just because some white supremacist goes off the rails does not make
Donald Trump a white supremacist.

Guilt by association is a logical fallacy. Even if both the shooter
and the president are white supremacists.

--Lee

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Hello Dale,

DS> It is not "supposedly". He did all of it and more. Much of it was done
DS> even while he was still campaigning.

AT> All of that stuff on your list is opinion. Can you give some facts?

I welcome you to tell us all which of the five things I listed is not a
fact -- and why.

Answer to all 5 questions - Donald Trump is not a white supremacist.
Reasons why for all 5 questions - Because he said so.

--Lee

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Hello Dale,

It is not because he is a white male, but the
fact that he denigrates
anyone who is not a white male is another factor. His talk has >DS>contributed to white nationalistic hate crimes.
The shooter in El Paso
quoted him directly as part of the justification for what was done >DS>there.

Go ahead take a look at minority unemployment, I'll wait.
Then tell me again about the race card, that you have book marked in >GD>your play-book.

I suppose that is your method of not answering a topic that is >DS>uncomfortable to you. Pivot to something else. Are you sure that you >DS>are not a politician?

I did not see any sentence that was in the form of a question.. "?"

Ask it.. and I will answer it.

You must be a politician. OK, I'll play your game. What is your
response to the statements made above by me in the top paragraph????

Are you saying, or suggesting, that Donald Trump is a white supremacist?
Maybe he is, although I seriously doubt he will ever admit it. At least
eight Democrats who are running for president have explicitly claimed
he is a white supremacist, so you would not be alone in saying that.

George Wallace claimed he was never a racist. And he also claimed
he never said the "N" word in public. But at least he apologized for
his actions, and went on to win a fourth term as governor of Alabama.

Do I believe Donald Trump will apologize? About anything? Has he
ever admitted to have made a mistake? About anything? We have a
candidate who is running for governor of Louisiana, whose entire
campaign theme is "Donald Trump is right" - with bumper stickers
proclaiming that fact to all the world. He has no other position.

I wish Edwin Edwards could run for a fifth term.

And for Mitch Landrieu to run for President.

--Lee

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Hello Dale,

It is not because he is a white male, but the
fact that he denigrates
anyone who is not a white male is another factor.

I've never heard him do that. But note that I only watch about eight >BA>hours of television a week and that only because I'm literally tied to >BA>the television.

Then you have not been paying attention.

Many others do. And take him quite seriously.

Start with his response to Charlotsville two years ago when a white >nationalist killed a woman and injured others, all the while when the
white nationalists were marching chanting hate slogans. His reponse was >"there are good people on both sides", nothing to condemn what the white >nationalists were doing.

Are you calling Donald Trump a white supremacist? At least eight
Democrats who are running for president are, so you would not be the
first. Of course, Trump denies it all, claiming he is not a white
supremacist, and says it is a disgrace for anybody to call him that.

Continue through almost all of his campaign rallies, before and after >election when he touted the theme of invasion from the south by Mexicans
and other hispanics, calling them rapists and murderers.

How does that make him a white supremacist? Just because those
rapists and murderers happen to be black or brown does not necessarily
make him a white supremacist. I mean, I am sure he condemns the acts
of all rapists and murderers, regardless of the color of their skin.
Just like that white dude who killed eight Mexicans in El Paso.

His talk has
contributed to white nationalistic hate crimes.

Hatred is not limited to "white nationalists." Listen to any leftist
- including several candidates for president - talking about Donald >BA>Trump.

Yes, they are speaking out about him and his policy -- often with fervor
and distain. But they are not inciting riots and murder.

No president can control the acts of others. And certainly not that
of a single individual who is probably insane.

The shooter in El Paso
quoted him directly as part of the justification for what was
done there.

There is no justification for what was done there

Of course not, but nevertheless -- that is what he said.

Again, how does that make Donald Trump a white supremacist? While
he is clearly playing to a crowd, that does not mean he is hoping any
of them go off the rails and conduct mass shootings of black and brown
people.

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On 08-10-19 12:55, Bob Ackley <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: What happened? <=-

Then you have not been paying attention.

To the television, yes. I quit watching television thirty plus years ago, there wasn't anything worth watching then and there still isn't.

Then I wonder what you are using as a source for your opinions on the
current political scene? Do you read newspapers? If so, which ones?

The only reason I watch ANY television is the fact that I have to sit through four hours of kidney dialysis twice a week, and during the treatment I'm in a recliner, but I can't move my left arm (that's
where the blood is drann and replaced). I've tried sleeping but thus
far haven't been able to.

Sorry to hear about your health problems. Hope that something happens
to make it better for you.

Dale Shipp
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On 08-11-19 03:30, Lee Lofaso <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about What happened? <=-

Start with his response to Charlotsville two years ago when a white
nationalist killed a woman and injured others, all the while when the
white nationalists were marching chanting hate slogans. His reponse was
"there are good people on both sides", nothing to condemn what the white
nationalists were doing.

Are you calling Donald Trump a white supremacist?

No -- but I am saying that he is provided comfort and encouragement to
the white nationalists and their movement.

Continue through almost all of his campaign rallies, before and after
election when he touted the theme of invasion from the south by Mexicans
and other hispanics, calling them rapists and murderers.

How does that make him a white supremacist? Just because those
rapists and murderers happen to be black or brown does not necessarily make him a white supremacist. I mean, I am sure he condemns the acts
of all rapists and murderers, regardless of the color of their skin.
Just like that white dude who killed eight Mexicans in El Paso.

Did he condemn the acts of either the Dayton or El Paso shooters? I
might have missed it, but certainly have not heard such language coming
from him. He did read a teleprompter speech without any affect. It was
clear that he did not write it. Nor did it look as if he really
believed what he was told he should say.

No president can control the acts of others. And certainly not that
of a single individual who is probably insane.

Hardly any of the mass shooters would ever have been diagnosed as being
insane.

Again, how does that make Donald Trump a white supremacist? While
he is clearly playing to a crowd, that does not mean he is hoping any
of them go off the rails and conduct mass shootings of black and brown people.

Try playing a video clip of him in a Florida rally. Paraphrasing, He
asks "what can we do about this invasion". Someone in the crowd shouts
"shoot them". He laughs and says "well you could probably get away with
that in the panhandle". That certainly does not sound like he is
discouraging the acts of one such as the El Paso shooter.

Then there is "I could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and get away with
it".

Dale Shipp
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On 08-10-19 09:13, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Bob Ackley about Re: What happened? <=-

Were I Donald Trump I'd just say "Fine" and pull every dime I have in vested in NYC and every job I created there out of it.

I understand that feeling, but I think Trump cares too much about his citizens to do that.

If you think that Trump cares about anyone other than himself, you have
not been paying attention. Even when visiting the wounded in El Paso,
he had to talk about how big his rally was compared to Beto. Donald
Trump is a classic narcissist. It all has to be about him.

Dale Shipp
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The shooter in El Paso
quoted him directly as part of the justification for what was

done
There is no justification for what was done there

Not only is there no justification but ....

Blaming Trump for the El Paso shooting is like blaming Obama for anytime a minority attacks a white person. You can't blame the President for your actions. Thats the snowflake mentality - I am not responsible for what I do it's someone elses fault.

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On 09 Aug 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 08-08-19 07:19, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: What happened? <=-

You must be a politician. OK, I'll play your game. What is your
response to the statements made above by me in the top paragraph????

It is not because he is a white male, but the fact that he
denigrates anyone who is not a white is another factor.

Just so happens this way, African American democratic politicians use the very color of own skin to incite the element of the race card to try to make the charge of racism.

The Democratic party is a diverse coalition, as they themselves will relentlessly tell you. But diversity doesn't mean Democrats are unified. Increasingly, it means a party defined by identity politics, and that means conflict. In the Democratic party, skin color matters above all. Some colors are good. Some are colors are bad. Your worth as a person depends on what you look like:

Watch: https://tinyurl.com/y3423l3l

What really is happening these democratic imbeciles go after the President without getting their facts straight, the President exploits this weakness. Then the decision must be made to attempt a counter punch or admit defeat, they often choose to counter, instead of using facts that could be used to
validate their concerns, they respond with what has worked so many times before as they make the suggestion racism, born also from this is the notion of White Supremacy of which sucks out any remaining creditably that remains.

The President wrote the following.
"Today's shooting in El Paso, Texas was not only tragic, it was an act of cowardice, I know that I stand with everyone in this country to condemn
today's hateful act. There are no reasons or excuses that will ever justify killing innocent people."

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On 08-08-19, AARON THOMAS said to DALE SHIPP:

I welcome you to tell us all which of the five things I listed is not a fact -- and why.

"He lied." About what? That's vague! "To the American people" doesn't help AT>much either.

"Hob-knobbing with dictators." That's what Obama did with Castro,

Not to mention sending huge sums of money to scumbags who make it a
game to chant `death to America'!




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On 08-09-19, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:

On 08-08-19 07:19, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: What happened? <=-

It is not because he is a white male, but the
fact that he denigrates
anyone who is not a white male is another factor. His talk has
contributed to white nationalistic hate crimes.
The shooter in El Paso
quoted him directly as part of the justification for what was done
there.

Go ahead take a look at minority unemployment, I'll wait.
Then tell me again about the race card, that you have book marked in
your play-book.

I suppose that is your method of not answering a topic that is uncomfortable to you. Pivot to something else. Are you sure that you
are not a politician?

I did not see any sentence that was in the form of a question.. "?"

Ask it.. and I will answer it.

You must be a politician. OK, I'll play your game. What is your DS>response to the statements made above by me in the top paragraph????

You aren't going to get anywhere with this guy. He's blinded by the absolute rage the majority of lefties feel due to Trump winning the election.


BTW....just taking that last `statement' of his above......putting aside the lefties' determination to tie Trump to one (if not both) of these latest shooters....the lefties ignore a few things about the el Paso shooter in their haste to `blame Trump':


For one thing the guy's so-called `manifesto' runs all over the place. It defines no clear, direct political side; either democrat OR republican!


He doesn't just target `hispanics' he also targets `average Americans'. He
also calls for a `decrease in the general American population' without stating which part of the `American population' should be `decreased'.


He called for `universal healthcare' and `universal income'; both of which are liberal socialist democrat issues! (Surprise!) But you didn't see any leftie media mention THOSE points.


It is said that the basics of his `manifesto' are more anti-corporation and eco-extreme than pro-administration. I've also seen it pointed out that the shooter actually blames Trump for an increase in work visas! And he also rails against both democrats AND republicans for `selling out to corporations on a number of issues.


The lefties like to hurl hateful accusations at conservatives without touching on that which puts themselves in a bad light as well.


They would LOVE to tie Trump into one or both shooters, but it doesn't work!


BTW...did you know he tied his `manifesto' to the environment by naming it
(get ready) "The Inconvenient Truth"! (Shades of Al Gore!)


There's more of a `democrat' leaning to it than republican..


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On 08-11-19 10:41, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: What happened? <=-

The Democratic party is a diverse coalition, as they themselves will relentlessly tell you.

There is strength in diversity.

The President wrote the following.
"Today's shooting in El Paso, Texas was not only tragic, it was an act
of cowardice, I know that I stand with everyone in this country to
condemn today's hateful act. There are no reasons or excuses that will ever justify killing innocent people."

Actually, I do not think that he wrote that, but that it was written by
staff and he was told "this is what you must say". He read it off of
the teleprompter with absolutely no affect. Those were not the words he
would have said while speaking at one of his campaign rallies.

Dale Shipp
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Not to mention sending huge sums of money to scumbags who make it a
game to chant `death to America'!

Obama's a big hit in the east!

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On 08-10-19 12:55, Bob Ackley <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: What happened? <=-

Then you have not been paying attention.

To the television, yes. I quit watching television thirty plus years ago, there wasn't anything worth watching then and there still isn't.

Then I wonder what you are using as a source for your opinions on the
current political scene?

I HAVE to watch about four hours of television twice a week while I'm
connected to an artificial kidney. There isn't anything else to do.

Do you read newspapers?

Yes. The Omaha World Herald - which sucks as a news source, and,
occasionally, USA Today.

The only reason I watch ANY television is the fact that I have to sit through four hours of kidney dialysis twice a week, and during the treatment I'm in a recliner, but I can't move my left arm (that's
where the blood is drann and replaced). I've tried sleeping but thus far haven't been able to.

Sorry to hear about your health problems. Hope that something happens
to make it better for you.

Comes with old age - consider the alternative <grin>. There's no cure
for kidney failure (I'm not a transplant candidate)
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On 08-11-19 10:41, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: What happened? <=-

The Democratic party is a diverse coalition, as they themselves will relentlessly tell you.

There is strength in diversity.

The President wrote the following.
"Today's shooting in El Paso, Texas was not only tragic, it was an act of cowardice, I know that I stand with everyone in this country to condemn today's hateful act. There are no reasons or excuses that will ever justify killing innocent people."

Actually, I do not think that he wrote that, but that it was written by
staff and he was told "this is what you must say".

Dale, that's been true for at least a century, for every president since
Tom Wilson.
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of cowardice, I know that I stand with everyone in this country to condemn today's hateful act. There are no reasons or excuses that wil ever justify killing innocent people."

Actually, I do not think that he wrote that, but that it was written by staff and he was told "this is what you must say". He read it off of
the teleprompter with absolutely no affect. Those were not the words he would have said while speaking at one of his campaign rallies.

So you are judging him based on what you "think" he would have said?

Im not always thrilled with what he says but I judge him on what he says and does not based on anything else.

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Hello Dale,

continued from last message -

Continue through almost all of his campaign rallies, before and after >>election when he touted the theme of invasion from the south by Mexicans >>and other hispanics, calling them rapists and murderers.

How does that make him a white supremacist? Just because those
rapists and murderers happen to be black or brown does not necessarily >LL>make him a white supremacist. I mean, I am sure he condemns the acts >LL>of all rapists and murderers, regardless of the color of their skin. >LL>Just like that white dude who killed eight Mexicans in El Paso.

Did he condemn the acts of either the Dayton or El Paso shooters? I
might have missed it, but certainly have not heard such language coming
from him. He did read a teleprompter speech without any affect. It was >clear that he did not write it. Nor did it look as if he really
believed what he was told he should say.

He claimed they were mentally ill. Without citing any evidence
to support or substantiate his claim.

No president can control the acts of others. And certainly not that
of a single individual who is probably insane.

Hardly any of the mass shooters would ever have been diagnosed as being >insane.

Insanity is a legal term/defense. Did the shooter know the difference
between right and wrong at the time he committed the act? It was shown
that John Hinckley was mentally ill when he did his thing, but in that
case nobody was killed. I doubt the verdict would have been the same
had any of his intended targets died.

Again, how does that make Donald Trump a white supremacist? While
he is clearly playing to a crowd, that does not mean he is hoping any >LL>of them go off the rails and conduct mass shootings of black and brown >LL>people.

Try playing a video clip of him in a Florida rally. Paraphrasing, He
asks "what can we do about this invasion". Someone in the crowd shouts >"shoot them". He laughs and says "well you could probably get away with
that in the panhandle". That certainly does not sound like he is >discouraging the acts of one such as the El Paso shooter.

The next day, he said he did not like it. He also said he very quick
in his response. Which, in a way, would be honest, given it took him
two whole days to give a response to the shootings in El Paso. I mean,
he was busy playing golf in New Jersey at the time ...

Then there is "I could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and get away with
it".

Of course he can. He is the POTUS.

True story -

President Nixon attended the funeral of US Senator Allen Ellender.
Just outside the steps of the cathedral, the local justice of the peace
walked up to him, hand extended, wanting to shake his hand. Nixon's
face turned ashen, thinking the idiot was going to shoot him. I was
there, along with some of my cousins, and saw the whole thing right
before my eyes. Unfortunately, this was before we entered the digital
age, and we did not have youtube at the time. To make a long story
short, we all thought the headlines in the next day's newspaper would
be "Local Cajun Dies Shaking President's Hand".

The novel "The Man", by Irving Wallace, was written on what could
happen in such a situation. The novel was written in 1964, before the
25th Amendment, and was a national best-seller at the time. In 1972,
the novel was adapted as a political drama screenplay by Rod Serling,
directed by Joseph Sargent, and featuring James Earl Jones as President
Douglas Dilman, the first black POTUS.

This event (the Ellender funeral) also changed policy. The president
and vice president very rarely are seen together at the same place, or
next to each other at an event.

--Lee

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Hello Dale,

Start with his response to Charlotsville two years ago when a white >>nationalist killed a woman and injured others, all the while when the
white nationalists were marching chanting hate slogans. His reponse was >>"there are good people on both sides", nothing to condemn what the white >>nationalists were doing.

Are you calling Donald Trump a white supremacist?

No -- but I am saying that he is provided comfort and encouragement to
the white nationalists and their movement.

Since we are talking about the POTUS, he should be given the benefit
of the doubt. Even if he does not deserve it. In that sense, two
Democratic candidates for president (Joe Biden and Kamala Harris)
stopped short of calling Donald Trump an outright white supremacist.
But six other contenders did not make any such pretense, calling a
spade a spade.

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On 08-11-19 21:23, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Gregory Deyss about Re: What happened? <=-

You aren't going to get anywhere with this guy. He's blinded by the absolute rage the majority of lefties feel due to Trump winning the election.

I do not normally respond to any of your diatribes, but I am not blinded
by anything -- I simply cannot tolerate the statements of those who
regurgitate half-truths and propaganda.

Dale Shipp
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On 12 Aug 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

The Democratic party is a diverse coalition, as they themselves will relentlessly tell you.

There is strength in diversity.

There is strength in many things, but choosing someone based on the color of their skin is racist, not to mention dumb.

The President wrote the following.
"Today's shooting in El Paso, Texas was not only tragic, it was an ac of cowardice, I know that I stand with everyone in this country to condemn today's hateful act. There are no reasons or excuses that wil ever justify killing innocent people."

Actually, I do not think that he wrote that, but that it was written by staff and he was told "this is what you must say". He read it off of
the teleprompter with absolutely no affect. Those were not the words he would have said while speaking at one of his campaign rallies.

It does not matter what the left thinks, with me (and others) being on the right, We can understand instantly and clearly see the indication or
reason why such words were chosen from the left.

I know would like to to think that the President is controlled in this way,
so that - you can pick it apart and explain it as unreal or not genuine.

See what I mean about understanding the left.

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On 08-14-19 06:58, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: What happened? <=-

The Democratic party is a diverse coalition, as they themselves will relentlessly tell you.

There is strength in diversity.

There is strength in many things, but choosing someone based on the
color of their skin is racist, not to mention dumb.

I did not say that people should be chosen on the basis of their color
or race, and on that I can agree with you. What I do not agree with is
not choosing someone based on their color or race -- nor with
denigrating someone based on their color or race. *THAT* is what is
racist.

Dale Shipp
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On 2019 Aug 14 06:58:56, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

Actually, I do not think that he wrote that, but that it was written
by staff and he was told "this is what you must say". He read it off
of the teleprompter with absolutely no affect. Those were not the
words he would have said while speaking at one of his campaign
rallies.

It does not matter what the left thinks, with me (and others) being on
the right, We can understand instantly and clearly see the indication
or reason why such words were chosen from the left.

that works both ways... it is not limited to only you or which ""side"" you are
on...

It does not matter what the right thinks, with me (and others) being on
the left, We[sic] can understand instantly and clearly see the indication
or reason why such words were chosen from the right.

I know would like to to think that the President is controlled in this way, so that - you can pick it apart and explain it as unreal or not genuine.

the right does the same... you included...

See what I mean about understanding the left.

yes, we see what you mean but it is more about understanding people from all sides, races, and religons...

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Hello Tim,

the lefties ignore a few things about the el Paso shooter in their haste to
`blame Trump':

A mass murderer has only one philosopy - to kill as many as he/she
can. Usually within a very short period of time.

For one thing the guy's so-called `manifesto' runs all over the place.

To be honest, I don't really care. The crime he committed was so
heinous, he needs to be locked up forever, with the key thrown away
to a place that can never be found.

It defines no clear, direct political side; either democrat OR republican!

His `manifesto' makes it very clear that Trump is his hero.

He deliberately targeted people whom he thought were Hispanic
due to the color of their skin. 8 of those he killed were Mexican
nationals. How many others who looked like Hispanics is unknown.
And that is just those who were killed, aside from those who were
wounded.

Based on the words in his own `manifesto', Trump was one of his heroes.
Trump was the main reason, if not the only reason, why he went off and
did his thing.

He doesn't just target `hispanics' he also targets `average Americans'.

Please tell me why the sob drove 9 hours to target `average Americans'
who he thought were brown and spoke Spanish. Remember, 8 of his kills
were Mexican nationals, legally here in El Paso - the city of the
shooter's choice.

Would you do that? Drive almost 700 miles in order to kill as many
Hispanics as you could at a local Wal*Mart in El Paso, Texas?

He also calls for a `decrease in the general American population' without
stating which part of the `American population' should be `decreased'.

Well, granted this world will be a better place without him. But
unlike others, I do not wish the man dead. I want to keep him locked
up, for the rest of his natural life, and keep him well-fed and given
the best medical care our prison system can give him. We really
should do that for all such sick creatures who have committed such
heinous crimes. Take them all off death row and place them on life
row, where they know their exit out of that place will be a long
time coming.

He called for `universal healthcare' and `universal income'; both of which
are liberal socialist democrat issues! (Surprise!)

I fully agree with the concept of `universal healthcare' and
`universal income' for prison inmates, regardless of how long
their stay may be.

But you didn't see any leftie media mention THOSE points.

You are hearing it from me. :)

It is said that the basics of his `manifesto' are more anti-corporation and
eco-extreme than pro-administration.

He will be free to express himself while being held at a maximum
security prison of our choice. However, that does not mean he can
expect his ravings and rantings to be guaranteed any air time or
free publicity ...

I've also seen it pointed out that the shooter actually blames Trump for an
increase in work visas!

He will not be needing a work visa where he is going.

And he also rails against both democrats AND republicans for `selling out to
corporations on a number of issues.

Maybe we can give him a job making license plates?

The lefties like to hurl hateful accusations at conservatives without
touching on that which puts themselves in a bad light as well.

I am recommending keeping the guy alive. And allow him to contribute
to our society by doing something constructive (such as making license
plates). That is certainly a much more noble thing to call for than
what some others want. Just remember, revenge is not justice. None
of the dead can ever be brought back to life.

They would LOVE to tie Trump into one or both shooters, but it doesn't work!

Trump has done nothing to end the violence. Nada. After the shooter
in Las Vegas offed dozens of people, Trump issued an executive order
doing away with gun bumps. The NRA did not like that, and called for
his head. So Trump decided to do nothing more, allowing the same types
of assault weapons to be sold, as if nothing had happened.

Now Trump is talking about having expanded background checks. And
will do exactly what he has been doing before. Nothing at all.
Why not? Because the NRA owns him. Lock, stock, and barrel.

BTW...did you know he tied his `manifesto' to the environment by naming it
(get ready) "The Inconvenient Truth"! (Shades of Al Gore!)

He deliberate targeted people who he thought were brown and spoke
Spanish. Had he just been mad about the environment, he could have
come to Louisiana and shot up all the marshland he wanted without
consequence.

Face it, Tim. The guy is a mass murderer. Just like Osama bin Laden.
Only he doesn't speak Arabic.

There's more of a `democrat' leaning to it than republican..

When Clinton lied, nobody died.
When Bush lied, thousands died.

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There is strength in diversity.

There is strength in many things, but choosing someone based on the color of their skin is racist, not to mention dumb.

I did not say that people should be chosen on the basis of their color
or race, and on that I can agree with you. What I do not agree with is not choosing someone based on their color or race -- nor with
denigrating someone based on their color or race. *THAT* is what is racist.

Choice and selection should be based on merit. The best Man or Women for the job, regardless of race, but many times the choice is made upon fear
that someone will call them racist because there are no people of color, This is ignorance. aka "the race card."
The PC way of accomplishing this is affirmative action, doesn't do anything
for me.

There is no CEN Caucasian Entertainment Network.
but there is a BET Black Entertainment Network.

There is no NAACP National Association for the Advancement of Caucasian
People but there is a NAACP National Association for the Advancement of
Colored People.

If either CEN or NAACP for white people existed, Van Jones would call it a "Whitewash" just as he did when President Trump was elected, people like him such as Al Sharpton use the race card all the time.
They need to otherwise they would never accomplish anything.

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On 2019 Aug 16 07:19:22, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

I did not say that people should be chosen on the basis of their
color or race, and on that I can agree with you. What I do not agree
with is not choosing someone based on their color or race -- nor with
denigrating someone based on their color or race. *THAT* is what is
racist.

Choice and selection should be based on merit. The best Man or Women
for the job, regardless of race, but many times the choice is made
upon fear that someone will call them racist because there are no
people of color, This is ignorance. aka "the race card."

ignorance is NOT a/the "race card"... if it were, then every ignorant person is
racist... i don't think that's what you meant to say...

The PC way of accomplishing this is affirmative action, doesn't do anything for me.

no... that's not the PC way to accomplish this... affirmative action is to help
minorities...

There is no CEN Caucasian Entertainment Network.
but there is a BET Black Entertainment Network.

BET was created by PoC for anyone who cares to watch it... if you want a CEN or
CET then go found one just like Robert Johnson and Shelia Johnson did in 1979... you might also note that BET lost its "black-owned" status in 2001 when
Viacom bought it for 3Million US dollars...

There is no NAACP National Association for the Advancement of
Caucasian People but there is a NAACP National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

so go create one...

If either CEN or NAACP for white people existed, Van Jones would call
it a "Whitewash" just as he did when President Trump was elected,
people like him such as Al Sharpton use the race card all the time.
They need to otherwise they would never accomplish anything.

wait... what? are you now putting words in someone's mouth that they didn't say? weren't you just getting on another posted about doing that? didn't you say that you prefer to see/hear them and make your decisions based on that instead of what you think they might say?

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On 15 Aug 2019, mark lewis said the following...

On 2019 Aug 14 06:58:56, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

Actually, I do not think that he wrote that, but that it was written
by staff and he was told "this is what you must say". He read it of
of the teleprompter with absolutely no affect. Those were not the
words he would have said while speaking at one of his campaign
rallies.

It does not matter what the left thinks, with me (and others) being o the right, We can understand instantly and clearly see the indication or reason why such words were chosen from the left.

that works both ways... it is not limited to only you or which ""side"" you are on...

It does not matter what the right thinks, with me (and others) being on
the left, We[sic] can understand instantly and clearly see the indication or reason why such words were chosen from the right.

We meaning I and others are not the party on the outside looking in.

I am associate myself as a Conservative.
Often I do stand with the Republicans, but I'm not a member of the Republican party.

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On 08-16-19 07:19, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Diversity <=-

There is strength in diversity.

There is strength in many things, but choosing someone based on the
color of their skin is racist, not to mention dumb.

I did not say that people should be chosen on the basis of their color
or race, and on that I can agree with you. What I do not agree with is not choosing someone based on their color or race -- nor with
denigrating someone based on their color or race. *THAT* is what is racist.

Choice and selection should be based on merit. The best Man or Women
for the job, regardless of race,

If you read what I said above, you would see that I am in agreement with
that. But, along with that -- it is important to make certain that all
people have an equal chance. Instead, too often some people are denied
a place at the table based on things other than their potential
contribution.

but many times the choice is made upon
fear that someone will call them racist because there are no people of color, This is ignorance. aka "the race card."
The PC way of accomplishing this is affirmative action, doesn't do anything for me.

If all suitable candidates had a chance, reguardless of color, then
there is nothing wrong.

There is no CEN Caucasian Entertainment Network.
but there is a BET Black Entertainment Network.

There is no NAACP National Association for the Advancement of
Caucasian People but there is a NAACP National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

Probably that is because blacks and other people of color have needed
such organizations to speak out for them when the white men who
controled the power would not.

If either CEN or NAACP for white people existed, Van Jones would call

Actually, white people do have their own catering organization, it is
called the NRA. Then there is also the KKK.

Dale Shipp
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On 08-12-19, AARON THOMAS said to TIM RICHARDSON:

Not to mention sending huge sums of money to scumbags who make it a
game to chant `death to America'!

Obama's a big hit in the east!

He ought to be. He spent enough time in his regime bowing and scraping before Islamic terrorists and their supporters. Not to mention sending them pallets full of dollars!


Leave it to the democrats to hunt up the smelliest scumbag they could pull out of a toilet, and ruin the country by making it the first *half*black
president.


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On 08-13-19, DALE SHIPP said to TIM RICHARDSON:

On 08-11-19 21:23, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Gregory Deyss about Re: What happened? <=-

You aren't going to get anywhere with this guy. He's blinded by the absolute rage the majority of lefties feel due to Trump winning the election.

I do not normally respond

snicker!


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On 08-15-19, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:

There is strength in many things, but choosing someone based on the
color of their skin is racist, not to mention dumb.

I did not say that people should be chosen on the basis of their color
or race, and on that I can agree with you.

What I do not agree with is
not choosing someone based on their color or race --

See....the left carried that little pill in Shipp's sentence above to
an extreme only possible by lefties;


What they `REALLY' mean is; you either choose someone BECAUSE of their race (regardless of their actually being `qualified' to do what the job entails) ...OR...no matter how qualified someone ELSE is who is white....you BETTER choose the person of `color' over the white; otherwise you're a `racist'!


And anything you say contrary to what THEY say or think about it is also racist!


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On 08-16-19, GREGORY DEYSS said to MARK LEWIS:

I am associate myself as a Conservative.

So do I.

Often I do stand with the Republicans, but I'm not a member of the GD>Republican party.

Same here.


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Hello Tim,

Not to mention sending huge sums of money to scumbags who make it a
game to chant `death to America'!

Obama's a big hit in the east!

He ought to be. He spent enough time in his regime bowing and scraping
before
Islamic terrorists and their supporters. Not to mention sending them
pallets
full of dollars!

Leave it to the democrats to hunt up the smelliest scumbag they could pull out
of a toilet, and ruin the country by making it the first *half*black president.

That ain't nothin'! Just you wait and see what we do under our
first *half* black woman president! That California gal is gonna
knock your socks off!

--Lee

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On 08-16-19 22:01, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Gregory Deyss about Diversity <=-

There is strength in many things, but choosing someone based on the
color of their skin is racist, not to mention dumb.

I did not say that people should be chosen on the basis of their color
or race, and on that I can agree with you.

What I do not agree with is
not choosing someone based on their color or race --

See....the left carried that little pill in Shipp's sentence above to
an extreme only possible by lefties;

What they `REALLY' mean is; you either choose someone BECAUSE of their race (regardless of their actually being `qualified' to do what the job entails) ...OR...no matter how qualified someone ELSE is who is white....you BETTER choose the person of `color' over the white;
otherwise you're a `racist'!

And anything you say contrary to what THEY say or think about it is
also racist!

Once again, you prove that you are incapable of reading a simple
sentence and understanding what it says.

Dale Shipp
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Re: Re: Diversity
By: Dale Shipp to Tim Richardson on Sun Aug 18 2019 01:37 am

I think that, in practice, the difference between selecting somebody because he is the right race and not selecting somebody because he belongs to the wrong race is semantics only. Let me explain:

Three candidates apply for a job position. Two are white and one is black. Hiring one of the whites because he is white is, in practice, the same as not hiring the black guy because he is black.

I have been to human resources processes and seen this happen the other way around too. Having 10 candidates, 3 belonging to minorities, and having 1 from the minorities selected specifically because he belonged to a minority. This mandate of enforcing a race based selection automatically discarded a lot of candidates because of no sensible reason other than PR.

Re: Re: Diversity
By: Richard Falken to All on Sun Aug 18 2019 06:53:17

Re: Re: Diversity
By: Dale Shipp to Tim Richardson on Sun Aug 18 2019 01:37 am

I think that, in practice, the difference between selecting somebody because

he

is the right race and not selecting somebody because he belongs to the wrong

race is semantics only. Let me explain:

how about maybe try proper quoting first?


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Hello Richard,

I think that, in practice, the difference between selecting somebody because
he is the right race and not selecting somebody because he belongs to the wrong race is semantics only. Let me explain:

There is only one race - the human race. However, that is not how
the selection process works in the real world. One only has to look
at the US Constitution, as the Framers of the Constitution clearly
left out large segments of the population from being covered, such as
blacks, women, Native Americans, poor folks, etc.

The Framers of the Constitution were rich white men who owned
property (including slaves), and they wanted to protect their own,
along with those who supported them. They were not going to give
away the store, especially to those who opposed their views.

Three candidates apply for a job position. Two are white and one is black.
Hiring one of the whites because he is white is, in practice, the same as
not hiring the black guy because he is black.

Of course. That is the way it is, and always has been.

I have been to human resources processes and seen this happen the other way
around too.

In places (such as Harlem) that should be expected.

Having 10 candidates, 3 belonging to minorities, and having 1 from the
minorities selected specifically because he belonged to a minority.

Bill Clinton lives in Harlem. Does he qualify?

This mandate of enforcing a race based selection automatically discarded a
lot of candidates because of no sensible reason other than PR.

That would be true of any quota-based system. However, that is
not what we have today, anywhere in the USA. In most places, the
selection process is as the days of old. Employers hire whoever
they want, regardless of race, even though those employees are
more than likely the same race. No quota-based system in place,
or forced upon the employers. It is just the way they do business.

The business of business is business.

No government can change that, even if it wanted to.

How to make it fair for races of all colors to be considered as
equals for employment? Should a quota-based system be imposed upon
employers in order to make that happen? What would happen if such
draconian steps were put into place?

Let's take a town that is 80% black. The police force is 90% white.
How to come up with a police force that is reflective of the population
at large might seem to be a noble idea. But how to do that is not so
simple.

Three candidates apply for a job. Two are white and one is black.
All are qualified for the job. Should the town hire black after
black after black until the numbers are reflective of the population
at large? Certainly that would be a discriminatory policy against
white folks.

But what if the police force population is reflective of the population
at large? Would any policy at all be needed (quota-based or other)?
The town would be free to hire the candidate of its choice, regardless
of race. See how that works?

What we need is not a quota-based system to make things right.
What we need is employers to hire those who are under-represented
on their workforce, while paying those who are to do nothing.

That way, black folks will have nothing to complain about.

--Lee

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Re: Diversity
By: Lee Lofaso to Richard Falken on Sun Aug 18 2019 11:25 pm

There is only one race - the human race.

[...]

How to make it fair for races of all colors to be considered as
equals for employment?

Not to be very anal, but if you are trying to make a case for egalitarism basing it on the idea that there is only a single human race, you should not talk in a follow-up argument about the integration of diferent races. It sounds self-defeating to the cause.

To be honest, I never go near the "there is a single human race" argument because it usually doesn't work well. It is usually paired with the implicit idea that every man should have the same rights because we are of the same race. The problem is that the whole argument breaks when you see a picture of Obama next to a picture of Trump and realize that large segments of the population share sets of characteristics that allow to get people classified into races. Just like you can classify dogs and horses by breed. You then hit the fallacy that since we are not the same race then we don't necessarily have the same rights. In my opinion, it is better for everybody to avoid that can of worms entirely and just declare that every functional human being has the same set of essential basic rights and be done with that, because we are convincing nobody than Obama and Trump cannot be classified in different groups.

In any case, the human resources stuff I was talking about was no quota driven. And I mean, there was no quota mandating to have x% minorities hired. As far as I know it was a PR policy from the firm. There is a lot of myth that business do what is best for them, but I am sure everybody here has had their share of lame managers... firms are ran by human beings and human beings are falible. They make mistakes. Some even let politics ruin the firm. Last time I checked, some workers of this firm complaint that a lot of the new recruits were underperforming very badly because technical merits had turned into a secondary consideration for recruitment. Go figure. I think this is the sort of thing people gets worried about when they hear of diversity enforcement plans.

And I will say I agree with those fears.

I have actually been in the blunt end of a quota-based law that left me out of a job position somewhere else and it was not very fun, by the way. Just sharing for the sake of full disclosure :-P

On 08-17-19, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:

On 08-16-19 07:19, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Diversity <=-

There is strength in diversity.

There is strength in many things, but choosing someone based on the
color of their skin is racist, not to mention dumb.

`That' was what `affirmative action' was about.

I did not say that people should be chosen on the basis of their color
or race, and on that I can agree with you.

Thats *exactly* what he said; because the bottom line is....if you hire
someone to fill a job who knows it well and is just what you're looking for... if that person isn't from some special leftist `victim' class...you're gonna get hollered at;maybe even sued!


If you cave to the `victim' class and hire a person who's color matches the `victim' class's satisfaction but is dumb as a rock....you're stuck with a
dumb as a rock employee who will cost money in the long run.
What I do not agree with is

not choosing someone based on their color or race -- nor with
denigrating someone based on their color or race. *THAT* is what is racist.

Whatever you do, for whatever well-meaning reason no matter how `well-meaning it is...the left will bitch about it.

Choice and selection should be based on merit. The best Man or Women
for the job, regardless of race,

If you read what I said above, you would see that I am in agreement with DS>that. But, along with that -- it is important to make certain that all DS>people have an equal chance.

Translation: Hire the `right' one or else!

There is no CEN Caucasian Entertainment Network.
but there is a BET Black Entertainment Network.

There is also a `Black Lives Matter'...but no `White Lives Matters'. And if
one came into existence it would be derided as `racist'.

There is no NAACP National Association for the Advancement of
Caucasian People but there is a NAACP National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

Good point.

Probably that is because blacks and other people of color have needed DS>such organizations to speak out for them when the white men who
controled the power would not.

What the left likes to pretend not to remember; and is not reminded of often enough; the KKK was mostly all *Southern democrats*.

If either CEN or NAACP for white people existed, Van Jones would call

Actually, white people do have their own catering organization, it is DS>called the NRA. Then there is also the KKK.

And with that, Shipp abandons all common sense.

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On 08-18-19 16:45, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Gregory Deyss about Re: Diversity <=-

Choice and selection should be based on merit. The best Man or Women
for the job, regardless of race,

If you read what I said above, you would see that I am in agreement with
that. But, along with that -- it is important to make certain that all
people have an equal chance.

Translation: Hire the `right' one or else!

Correct -- hire the right one, the best qualified one without
consideration of race, color. That is what I said, no matter how you
try to twist it.

Dale Shipp
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Hello Richard,

There is only one race - the human race.

[...]

How to make it fair for races of all colors to be considered as
equals for employment?

Not to be very anal, but if you are trying to make a case for egalitarism
basing it on the idea that there is only a single human race, you should
not talk in a follow-up argument about the integration of diferent races.
It sounds self-defeating to the cause.

There is only a single branch of the human race that counts, as
there are no others still around. However, there are some folks
who have gotten the twisted notion that different pigmentation
of skin represents separate races of man. Of course, we all know
this not to be true, as woman rules all of mankind regardless of
the color of his skin.

To be honest, I never go near the "there is a single human race" argument
because it usually doesn't work well.

Have you ever tried to do it with a dog? I watched a woman do that,
and with the dog doing it to her, live on Bourbon Street in New Orleans
on Mardi Gras. Have you ever tried to do it with a cow? I watched
a classmate do it in the pasture while waiting for the bus, which
he missed to his extracurricular activities. He earned the nickname
"Moo" for his efforts.

It is usually paired with the implicit idea that every man should have the
same rights because we are of the same race.

"All men are created equal." ~Thomas Jefferson

Some more equal than others, no doubt. And then there are women.
And children. And gays. And lesbians. And transgenders ...

The problem is that the whole argument breaks when you see a picture of
Obama next to a picture of Trump and realize that large segments of the population share sets of characteristics that allow to get people
classified into races.

Obama was a mutt, having been bred by a black brother and a white
sister. Just think of what his yellow siblings must think.

Just like you can classify dogs and horses by breed.

It takes generations to breed dogs and horses to be what you
want them to be. Only then can you classify them properly.

You then hit the fallacy that since we are not the same race then we don't
necessarily have the same rights.

Because we are classified as humans, we all have the same rights.
This was not always the case. Black folks were not considered as
being human until after Lincoln's death, and even then were subjected
to segregation for an additional century afterwards. Women did not
have the right to vote until 1920, and 18-year-olds had to wait decades
longer.

In my opinion, it is better for everybody to avoid that can of worms
entirely and just declare that every functional human being has the same
set of essential basic rights and be done with that, because we are convincing nobody than Obama and Trump cannot be classified in different groups.

"The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" only
existed for rich white men who owned property in Thomas Jefferson's
day, most of them well past their teens. Should we return to the
days of old, when only elderly white men who owned property could
vote and decide how everybody else should live?

In any case, the human resources stuff I was talking about was no quota
driven. And I mean, there was no quota mandating to have x% minorities
hired. As far as I know it was a PR policy from the firm. There is a lot of myth that business do what is best for them, but I am sure everybody here
has had their share of lame managers... firms are ran by human beings and human beings are falible. They make mistakes. Some even let politics ruin
the firm. Last time I checked, some workers of this firm complaint that a
lot of the new recruits were underperforming very badly because technical merits had turned into a secondary consideration for recruitment. Go
figure. I think this is the sort of thing people gets worried about when
they hear of diversity enforcement plans.

Affirmative action is not quota-driven. However, opponents of
affirmative action falsely claim it is. Why is that? Because
those who oppose affirmative action want to keep the status quo,
that of denying everyone their fair shake when it comes to being
considered for employment.

Look at it this way. The number of white police officers far
outnumbers what is reflective of the population at large. So why
not enact of policy of hiring more black police officers, at least
until the numbers are reflective of the population at large?

Rather than being racist, that is what is known as fairness.

And I will say I agree with those fears.

Why should white folks be scared of competition from black folks?
You don't find black folks complaining about white folks applying
for the job ...

I have actually been in the blunt end of a quota-based law that left me out
of a job position somewhere else and it was not very fun, by the way. Just sharing for the sake of full disclosure :-P

You don't get it, man. You have to put on whiteout before you
apply blackface. Otherwise, the makeup just won't work ...

--Lee

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If you read what I said above, you would see that I am in agreement with that. But, along with that -- it is important to make certain that all people have an equal chance. Instead, too often some people are denied
a place at the table based on things other than their potential contribution.

Sometimes all you need to be doing is wearing a red maga hat, and your attacked. That's not right either. Just as it is not right for people on the right to be harassed within the workplace because of the political affiliation. We are not the messengers of hate, but of truth.

Probably that is because blacks and other people of color have needed
such organizations to speak out for them when the white men who
controled the power would not.

That's a bunch of bunk, It's no longer 1950. It's determination, that gets you ahead in life. One can choose to be a spectator and watch from the sidelines or they can preform.

Actually, white people do have their own catering organization, it is called the NRA.

Are you seriously suggesting that the NRA has no African-Americans within their membership ranks.

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On 08-23-19 07:08, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Diversity <=-

We are not the messengers of hate, but of truth.

Tell that to POTUS. He needs to hear it.

Actually, white people do have their own catering organization, it is called the NRA.

Are you seriously suggesting that the NRA has no African-
Americans within their
membership ranks.

Not at all, but I do believe that it is mostly comprised of whites.
Ditto with the other organization I mentioned, the KKK. They have some
black members, albeit not as many as the NRA.

Dale Shipp
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On 24 Aug 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

Not at all, but I do believe that it is mostly comprised of whites.
Ditto with the other organization I mentioned, the KKK. They have some black members, albeit not as many as the NRA.

That's the problem with the left they mention many things that are nothing
more then baseless accusations, facts do not matter on the left, just
toss it out there and hope that the narrative sticks and not only sticks but creates as much chaos as it can, specially to Trump and his base.
How spot on am I? Took very little effort,
just like Rush -half of mind tied behind my back just to make it fare.

It's really not your fault, people on the Right will always be vastly
superior to anyone on the left. We don't see the hate that you see in Trump
(or in the world), we see him as a caring and compassionate patriot who loves his country and all of it's people who live within it. Look at unemployment, it's just good for white folks, it's breaking records for minorities, even female unemployment is down to historic levels.

The left way of thinking also goes beyond Trump too. Things like the civil war and Abraham Lincoln and his emancipation proclamation does not matter . Slavery happened and therefore America must be destroyed and people today still have a price to pay. Civil Rights also happened, but that don't matter
because blacks were at one point considered not as equal, and now they are equal and just as free as you or I. Again that does not matter because it
still happened and America has to be destroyed.

All you folks wanna do is talk about how bad things are, your party as no answers, you think Americans want to fund free health care to non-Americans
and pay for other people who are here illegally, the vast majority does not. These Presidential debates can not come fast enough, it's gonna be fun to
watch these wannabes dems get smoked by Trump.

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On 24 Aug 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

Not at all, but I do believe that it is mostly comprised of whites. Ditto with the other organization I mentioned, the KKK. They have some black members, albeit not as many as the NRA.

That's the problem with the left they mention many things that are nothing more then baseless accusations, facts do not matter on the left, just
toss it out there and hope that the narrative sticks and not only sticks but creates as much chaos as it can, specially to Trump and his base.
How spot on am I? Took very little effort,
just like Rush -half of mind tied behind my back just to make it fare.

You are dead on. IÆll never understand how people make broad assumptions with NO facts.
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On 08-24-19 16:02, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Diversity <=-

It's really not your fault, people on the Right will always be vastly superior to anyone on the left.

That is a narcissistic point of view. The people on the right are not
superior to the people in the middle nor the people on the left. They
all come from the same stock, albeit with differing experiences.

We don't see the hate that you see in
Trump (or in the world), we see him as a caring and compassionate
patriot who loves his country and all of it's people who live within
it.

Learn to face that fact that Donald Trump is a failed business man who
cares about nothing other than himself and wants for things to take him
to center stage. He cannot hold an opinion for more than a day before
he changes it. His views and pronouncements are dangerous.

The left way of thinking also goes beyond Trump too. Things like the
civil war and Abraham Lincoln and his emancipation proclamation does
not matter . Slavery happened and therefore America must be destroyed

I have no idea what your point is here.

and people today still
have a price to pay. Civil Rights also happened, but that don't matter

Civil rights happened thanks to a Democrat President.

because blacks were at one point considered not as equal, and now they

Unfortunately true.

are equal and just as free as you or I. Again that does not matter

But they are still not as equal as you nor I.

because it still happened and America has to be destroyed.

We are trying to keep America from being destroyed by Trump.

Dale Shipp
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On 25 Aug 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 08-24-19 16:02, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Diversity <=-

It's really not your fault, people on the Right will always be vastly superior to anyone on the left.

That is a narcissistic point of view. The people on the right are not superior to the people in the middle nor the people on the left. They
all come from the same stock, albeit with differing experiences.

Yes people do have different experiences, this is the very moment that
is a defining moment, because it is what happens next with the selection of choice that makes them who they are. Which path will one take when presented with a choice. Will they always go left and play follow the leader or will they stand in place for a moment and consider and weigh all the information before moving onward with their section.

Do you blame other people for what is happening around you and take action to shape things to your own will. See what I mean?

We don't see the hate that you see in
Trump (or in the world), we see him as a caring and compassionate patriot who loves his country and all of it's people who live within it.

Learn to face that fact that Donald Trump is a failed business man who cares about nothing other than himself and wants for things to take him
to center stage. He cannot hold an opinion for more than a day before
he changes it. His views and pronouncements are dangerous.

Has something happened to the ice skating rink in NYC that Trump built?

Has something happened to Trump Tower that has caused it's doors to be
locked and now closed to the pubic?

Are the building that bare his name no longer standing?
No to all the above!

Everything is continuing as it has, and will continue to do so.

** Let me put this out to you, in this direct question.
What pronouncements are you suggesting to be considering as dangerous?
and also tell me why...

The left way of thinking also goes beyond Trump too. Things like the civil war and Abraham Lincoln and his emancipation proclamation does not matter . Slavery happened and therefore America must be destroyed

I have no idea what your point is here.

Curious, that you don't know of the Democrats wanting to destroy America.
There has been several dark chapters in our history - there also has been corrections and actions to come back from those dark chapters. Democrats say this is simply not good enough and America must be destroyed and be rebuilt within the Democrats own image, with things that include green new deals
making air traffic and airports to become relics of history, along with the
gas combustion engine also will be nothing more then a memory, and still it does not stop there they also want the American tax payer to pay for all of
the needs of illegals everything from housing and health care to food that
will also be provided that is free of any cost by these people who consume them, even providing free education of their young as well as providing higher learning at colleges throughout America.

The American Dream is not something that should be given out for free.
It is something that is obtained through hard work.

and people today still DS> GD> have a price to pay. Civil Rights

also happened, but that don't matter DS> DS> Civil rights happened thanks to a Democrat President.

True but the Democratic Party of those days is not the same Democratic party of today, the needle is buried far left today, then it has ever has been before. Those ideals of that time have more in common with Republican views then the Democratic views of today.

Slavery also happened and the Democrats own that also.

We are trying to keep America from being destroyed by Trump.

The Democrats accusations are baseless, there is no evidence of any harm to America, This is due to a fragmentation causing this clinch within the Democratic mind, it is a unforeseen error to believe that the efforts and actions of President Trump is somehow causing harm.
- They can't see or acknowledge how low unemployment is positive.
- They can't see or acknowledge how fare trade deals are positive.
- They can't see or acknowledge how the economy is better then ever before.
- They can't see or acknowledge how manufacturing and energy are now back.

The Democratic mind can not process or be allowed to see, all of the good that is happening around them under this President.

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On 08-25-19 11:54, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Diversity <=-

Learn to face that fact that Donald Trump is a failed business man who cares about nothing other than himself and wants for things to take him
to center stage. He cannot hold an opinion for more than a day before
he changes it. His views and pronouncements are dangerous.

Has something happened to the ice skating rink in NYC that Trump
built?

He did not build that -- it was built by the Wollman foundation in the
50's. Trump took over a renovation from the city in 1987, with the
agreement to be reimbursed by the city for his costs.

Has something happened to Trump Tower that has caused it's doors to be locked and now closed to the pubic?

No, but it is losing money. When it was being built, Trump's
organization hired undocumented workers. There have been numerous other problems with it.

Are the building that bare his name no longer standing?
No to all the above!

But, his name has been taken off of some, e.g. Trump hotel in Panama.

And now for some of the things you did not mention:
Trump Airlines
Trump Vodka
Trump mortgage, LLC
Trump the Game
Trump Steak
Trump magazine
Gotrump.com
and for the biggest fiasco of all
Trump University
Trump Casinos.

Everything is continuing as it has, and will continue to do so.

** Let me put this out to you, in this direct question.
What pronouncements are you suggesting to be considering as dangerous?
and also tell me why...

The tariffs that are in reality a tax on American consumers and
businesses -- and his false statement that the Chinese government will
be paying for them.

Look at what his tariffs have already done to the American farmers.

His family separation policy for immigrants who come seeking the asylum
that USA law says they have the right to do.

His inability to get "the best people" to work for him. The smart
people have run from him. Many of the ones who he has selected for high
level posts have resigned in disgrace. He does not seem to be able to
do a proper vetting on many of his choices.

The way that he is destroying trust in the USA by most of our best
allies. They have no idea what to believe because of his chaotic
nature. He has made policy statements and then reversed them in the
span of a single day.

His implicit support of white nationalists, refusing to condemn them for
what they are -- and thus embolding them.

Those are just the things that come to me off the top of my head.

The left way of thinking also goes beyond Trump too. Things like the civil war and Abraham Lincoln and his
emancipation proclamation does
not matter . Slavery happened and therefore
America must be destroyed

I have no idea what your point is here.

Curious, that you don't know of the Democrats wanting to destroy
America.

Correct -- show me where that has been said by any prominent Democrat.
It is just not true.

that include green new deals making air traffic and airports to become relics of history, along with the gas combustion engine also will be nothing more then a memory, and still it does not stop there they also

References please.

Civil Rights also happened, but that don't matter

Civil rights happen thanks to a Democrat President.

True but the Democratic Party of those days is not the same
Democratic party of
today, the needle is buried far left today, then it has ever has been before. Those ideals of that time have more in common with Republican views then the Democratic views of today.

"Those days" were only about a half century ago. The Democrat party has
not changed that much since Lyndon Johnson.

Slavery also happened and the Democrats own that also.

Slavery happened long before the USA was formed.

We are trying to keep America from being destroyed by Trump.

The Democrats accusations are baseless, there is no evidence of any
harm to America, This is due to a fragmentation causing this clinch
within the Democratic mind, it is a unforeseen error to believe that
the efforts and actions of President Trump is somehow causing harm.
- They can't see or acknowledge how low unemployment is positive.

It is positive. What has Trump done to make it so?

- They can't see or acknowledge how fare trade deals are positive.

Do trade deals include the trade wars that Trump is waging -- at the
detriment of American businesses, consumers and farmers.

- They can't see or acknowledge how the economy is better then ever before. -

You are partially right there, for now. The numbers during Trump's
presidency are not substantially better than the numbers during Obama's presidency -- and seem to be getting worse, not better.

They can't see or acknowledge how manufacturing and energy
are now back.

Are they really? Trump promised that -- I've seen no evidence that it
has happened.

The Democratic mind can not process or be allowed to see, all of the
good that is happening around them under this President.

And the Far-right mind cannot see all of the bad that this President is causing.

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On 26 Aug 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

Has something happened to the ice skating rink in NYC that Trump built?

He did not build that -- it was built by the Wollman foundation in the 50's. Trump took over a renovation from the city in 1987, with the agreement to be reimbursed by the city for his costs.

You should know me better then that, and you should of also known that know
all about what happened with the events the led up to Trump becoming evolved with this project. Why would I know, it's a success story.

Yes he did take it over from many failed attempts by the city because the copper kept getting ripped off by thugs and criminals.

Has something happened to Trump Tower that has caused it's doors to

be DS> GD> locked and now closed to the pubic?

No, but it is losing money. When it was being built, Trump's
organization hired undocumented workers. There have been numerous other problems with it.

There were no and undocumented workers in the Union (workforce)
don't doubt me with that, but just in case you do, go on down to your local union hall and pop that question on them, see how that goes....

Are the building that bare his name no longer standing?
No to all the above!

But, his name has been taken off of some, e.g. Trump hotel in Panama.

This was nothing more then a property dispute you can read all about it here https://tinyurl.com/y2a86dl9

And now for some of the things you did not mention:
Trump Airlines

In October 1988, Donald Trump threw his wallet into the airline business by purchasing Eastern Air Shuttle, a service that for 27 years had run hourly flights between Boston, New York City and Washington, D.C. For roughly $365 million, Trump got a fleet of 17 Boeing 727s, landing facilities in each of
the three cities and the right to paint his name on an airplane. Trump pushed to give the airline the Trump touch, making the previously no-muss, no-fuss shuttle service into a luxury experience. To this end, he added maple-wood veneer to the floors, chrome seat-belt latches and gold-colored bathroom fixtures. But his gamble was a bust. A lack of increased interest from customers (who favored the airline for its convenience not its fancy new
look) combined with high pre-Gulf War fuel prices meant the shuttle never turned a profit. The high debt forced Trump to default on his loans, and ownership of the company was turned over to creditors. The Trump Shuttle ceased to exist in 1992 when it was merged into a new corporation, Shuttle Inc.

Trump the Game

In 1989, the Donald teamed up with Milton Bradley to release Trump: The
Game, a Monopolyesque board game in which three to four players must buy
and sell real estate and try to trump one another in business deals. A year later Trump admitted the game was vastly underselling the predicted 2
million units he and the toy company had hoped for. Not one to abandon
ideas, Trump revived the game 15 years later after his success on The Apprentice, making sure to incorporate the series catchphrase "You're
Fired into the game. Other updated features included a sterner-looking Trump on the box cover, somewhat simpler rules and cards with business tips.

Trump Steak,

yeah I saw the same link from time.com that you probably found.

What pronouncements are you suggesting to be considering as dangerous? and also tell me why...

The tariffs that are in reality a tax on American consumers and

businesses -- and his false statement that the Chinese government will
be paying for them.

I do not know if you understand the Trade issue even if you don't understand it, then that is fine no harm or foul, What I can't understand is why you
think it's ok for the USA to get screwed with tariffs that are extremely lop sided, where foreign goods flow into the U.S. with a small tariff and
American made goods have a very high tariff when being shipped into foreign lands.. You don't have to work on Wall Street to wrap your head around this one. Not when average every day Americans on Main Street understand that this is wrong and with this understanding also comes support for such an effort. This should be a nonpartisan issue.
or
Do you like the U.S. getting screwed because somehow you can blame this on Trump, so therefore it is worth it? I would say that would be un-American of you. I don't care how much you hate the President, but you should have a bit more respect for your country.

Look at what his tariffs have already done to the American farmers.

The Chinese are playing dirty; they said that they would be taking more of
the American product from American farmers and they want to and have backed out of the deal. How is that Trumps fault?

His family separation policy for immigrants who come seeking the asylum

that USA law says they have the right to do.

Here is the thing Dale. If you or I commit a crime, guess what?
We will be separated from our families too.

Correct -- show me where that has been said by any prominent Democrat.

It is just not true.

that include green new deals making air traffic and airports to become relics of history, along with the gas combustion engine also will be nothing more then a memory, and still it does not stop there they also

References please.

Sure.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
read about it here
https://tinyurl.com/y8crkd5c

today, the needle is buried far left today, then it has ever has been before. Those ideals of that time have more in common with Republican views then the Democratic views of today.

"Those days" were only about a half century ago. The Democrat party has

not changed that much since Lyndon Johnson.

If you believe that, then there is a bridge in Brooklyn that I can sell you.

- They can't see or acknowledge how the economy is better then ever before.

You are partially right there, for now. The numbers during Trump's presidency are not substantially better than the numbers during Obama's presidency -- and seem to be getting worse, not better.

Trumps so called bad days will never be as bad or as worse then Obama's. because the Press (media) was not a bunch of attack dogs as they are with Trump. Why do you think that is? Simple because they are sleeping in the same bed as the Democrats and have been for quite a while.

They can't see or acknowledge how manufacturing and energy
are now back.

Are they really? Trump promised that -- I've seen no evidence that it

has happened.

It's True read all about it here.
https://tinyurl.com/y3nze4v8

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No, but it is losing money. When it was being built, Trump's
organization hired undocumented workers. There have been numerous other

Why don't liberals vote for Trump then? He supports their people if he
employs illegals.

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On 08-26-19 22:04, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Trump failures Fake N <=-

Has something happened to the ice skating rink in NYC that Trump
built?

He did not build that -- it was built by the Wollman foundation in the 50's. Trump took over a renovation from the city in 1987, with the agreement to be reimbursed by the city for his costs.

You should know me better then that, and you should of also known that know all about what happened with the events the led up to Trump
becoming evolved with this project. Why would I know, it's a success story.
Yes he did take it over from many failed attempts by the city because
the copper kept getting ripped off by thugs and criminals.

In other words, when you said that Trump built it -- you were not
telling the truth.

Has something happened to Trump Tower that has caused it's doors to
be locked and now closed to the pubic?

No, but it is losing money. When it was being built, Trump's
organization hired undocumented workers. There have been numerous other problems with it.

There were no and undocumented workers in the Union (workforce)
don't doubt me with that, but just in case you do, go on down to your local union hall and pop that question on them, see how that goes....

<extracted from WIKI article on Trump Tower, describing undocumented
workers and other labor disputes, which eventually cost Trump $1.375
million.>

Unpaid laborers
In 1983, a class-action lawsuit was filed against the Trump Organization concerning unpaid pension and medical obligations to labor unions whose
members helped build the towers.[62] Trump had paid $774,000 to a window-cleaning company that employed undocumented Polish immigrants
during the renovation of an adjoining building.[63] According to the
laborers, they were paid $4 an hour (equivalent to $10 in 2018) for
12-hour shifts, and were not told about asbestos in the
under-construction structure.[63]

Trump testified in 1990 he was unaware that 200 undocumented Polish
immigrants, some of whom lived at the site during the 1980 New York City transit strike, and worked round-the-clock shifts, were involved in the destruction of the Bonwit Teller building and the Trump Tower
project.[64] Trump said he rarely visited the demolition site[64] and
never noticed the laborers, who were visually distinct for their lack of
hard hats.[65] A labor consultant and FBI informant testified that Trump
was aware of the illegal workers' status.[64] Trump testified that he
and an executive used the pseudonym "John Baron" in some of his business dealings,[64] although Trump said he did not do so until years after
Trump Tower was constructed.[65] A labor lawyer testified that he was threatened over the phone with a $100 million lawsuit by a John Baron
who supposedly worked for the Trump Organization. Donald Trump later
told a reporter, "Lots of people use pen names. Ernest Hemingway used
one."[65]

After the laborers filed for a mechanic's lien over unpaid wages, they
said a Trump Organization lawyer threatened to have the Immigration and Naturalization Service deport them.[63] A judge ruled in favor of the
Polish laborers in 1991, saying that the organization had to pay the workers.[66] The contractor was ultimately ordered to pay the laborers $254,000.[63][67]

The case went through several appeals by both sides as well as non-jury
trials, and was reassigned to different judges several times.[68][69]
The original named plaintiff, plaintiffs' attorney, and two
co-defendants, died during the litigation, leading Judge Kevin Duffy to
compare it unfavorably to Charles Dickens' fictional case Jarndyce and
Jarndyce in June 1998, when he was assigned the case after the death of
the previous presiding judge.[62] The lawsuit was ultimately settled in
1999, with its records sealed.[65] In November 2017, U.S. District Judge Loretta A. Preska ordered the settlement documents unsealed.[63] In the settlement, Trump agreed to pay a total of $1.375 million,[63] which,
according to the plaintiffs' lawyer, was the full amount that could have
been recovered at trial.[63]

Are the building that bare his name no longer standing?
No to all the above!

But, his name has been taken off of some, e.g. Trump hotel in Panama.

This was nothing more then a property dispute you can read all about
it here https://tinyurl.com/y2a86dl9

Which confirms what I said.

Trump Airlines

In October 1988, Donald Trump threw his wallet into the airline
business by purchasing Eastern Air Shuttle, a service that for 27 years had run hourly flights between Boston, New York City and Washington,
D.C. For roughly $365 million, Trump got a fleet of 17 Boeing 727s, landing facilities in each of the three cities and the right to paint
his name on an airplane. Trump pushed to give the airline the Trump
touch, making the previously no-muss, no-fuss shuttle service into a luxury experience. To this end, he added maple-wood veneer to the
floors, chrome seat-belt latches and gold-colored bathroom fixtures.
But his gamble was a bust. A lack of increased interest from customers (who favored the airline for its convenience not its fancy new look) combined with high pre-Gulf War fuel prices meant the shuttle never
turned a profit. The high debt forced Trump to default on his loans,
and ownership of the company was turned over to creditors. The
Trump Shuttle ceased
to exist in 1992 when it was merged into a new corporation, Shuttle
Inc.

Good documentation about one of Trump's failed business ventures.

Trump the Game

In 1989, the Donald teamed up with Milton Bradley to release Trump:
The Game, a Monopolyesque board game in which three to four players
must buy and sell real estate and try to trump one another in business deals. A year later Trump admitted the game was vastly underselling the predicted 2 million units he and the toy company had hoped for. Not one
to abandon ideas, Trump revived the game 15 years later after his
success on The Apprentice, making sure to incorporate the series catchphrase "You're Fired into the game. Other updated features
included a sterner-looking Trump on
the box cover, somewhat simpler rules and cards with business tips.

Good documentation about one of Trump's failed business ventures.

Trump Steak,

yeah I saw the same link from time.com that you probably found.

And what do you have to say about all of the other failures I listed,
and you declined to comment on? Especially Trump University

What pronouncements are you suggesting to be considering as dangerous?
and also tell me why...

The tariffs that are in reality a tax on American consumers and
businesses -- and his false statement that the Chinese government will
be paying for them.

I do not know if you understand the Trade issue even if you don't understand it, then that is fine no harm or foul, What I can't
understand is why you think it's ok for the USA to get screwed with tariffs that are extremely lop sided, where foreign goods flow into the U.S. with a small tariff and American made goods have a very high
tariff when being shipped into foreign lands.. You don't have to work
on Wall Street to wrap your head around this one. Not when average
every day Americans on Main Street understand that this is wrong and
with this understanding also comes support for such an effort. This
should be a nonpartisan issue. or

You are pivoting and not answering what was said, namely how Trump is
lieing when he claims that the Chinese government is paying for the
tariffs he has imposed and not the Americans.

Do you like the U.S. getting screwed because somehow you can blame
this on Trump, so therefore it is worth it? I would say that would be un-American of you. I don't care how much you hate the President, but
you should have a bit more respect for your country.

I have a lot more respect for this country than Trump does.

Look at what his tariffs have already done to the American farmers.

The Chinese are playing dirty; they said that they would be taking
more of the American product from American farmers and they want to
and have backed out
of the deal. How is that Trumps fault?

Because they are reacting to the tariffs he put onto the Chinese. It is
a war, and the American farmers are collateral damage.

His family separation policy for immigrants who
come seeking the asylum
that USA law says they have the right to do.

Here is the thing Dale. If you or I commit a crime, guess what?
We will be separated from our families too.

We would never be separated for a crime that is the equivalent of
Jaywalking, a misdemeanor. They are not attempting to hide from the
law. They cross the border, and immediately surrender to the border
patrol and ask for asylum -- which is their legal right under USA law.

Correct -- show me where that has been said by any
prominent Democrat.
It is just not true.

that include green new deals making air traffic and airports to become relics of history, along with the gas combustion engine also will be nothing more then a memory, and still it does not stop there they also

References please.

Sure.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
read about it here
https://tinyurl.com/y8crkd5c

Not exactly a major Democrat -- a new member of congress who speaks with
a voice of one, albeit loudly, accepted by a few others, but not by the Democratic party.

They can't see or acknowledge how manufacturing and energy
are now back.

Are they really? Trump promised that -- I've seen no evidence that it

has happened.

It's True read all about it here.
https://tinyurl.com/y3nze4v8

That is a publication produced by and for the Trump whitehouse. As
such, it is as much a reliable evidence source as when Sean Spicer stood
before the podium and stated that the crowd at Trump's inaguration was
the largest in history.

Dale Shipp
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On 2019 Aug 25 11:54:34, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

Curious, that you don't know of the Democrats wanting to destroy America. There has been several dark chapters in our history - there also has been corrections and actions to come back from those dark chapters. Democrats say this is simply not good enough and America must be destroyed and be rebuilt within the Democrats own image, with things that include green new deals making air traffic and airports to become relics of history, along with the gas combustion engine also will be nothing more then a memory,

and

still it does not stop there they also want the American tax payer to pay for all of the needs of illegals everything from housing and health care

to

food that will also be provided that is free of any cost by these people who consume them, even providing free education of their young as well as providing higher learning at colleges throughout America.

i don't know where you're getting youre bullshit from but holy crap, man... you
really need to get out of that pool of poison... especially when you go spouting off half-cocked about what democrats want when you don't have the first clue...

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i don't know where you're getting youre bullshit from but holy crap, man... you really need to get out of that pool of poison... especially when you go spouting off half-cocked about what democrats want when you don't have the first clue...

With me being on the Right, I know very well what they want.
Open borders and free everything. Are you suggesting that I am wrong?

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On 27 Aug 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 08-26-19 22:04, Gregory Deyss <=-
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Has something happened to the ice skating rink in NYC that Trump built?

He did not build that -- it was built by the Wollman foundation in th 50's. Trump took over a renovation from the city in 1987, with the agreement to be reimbursed by the city for his costs.

You should know me better then that, and you should of also known tha know all about what happened with the events the led up to Trump becoming evolved with this project. Why would I know, it's a success story.
Yes he did take it over from many failed attempts by the city because the copper kept getting ripped off by thugs and criminals.

In other words, when you said that Trump built it -- you were not
telling the truth.

and your not giving credit where credit is due, money poured into the
rink and the copper kept getting ripped off until Trump came along
and providing a solution and provided more then just knowledge new
concrete was poured, this was a Trump project of which was a success
saving the city future lost money.

I know you like pointing out the so called failures.
If they were failures then other companies would not be picking up where he left off, Donald Trump is more of a success then the failure your like to taught. He is also a Billionaire. Sure some of the things like the casino and other ventures did not work out. Ok so why does any of that matter? he is far better President then Clinton or Omama - combined. I can tell you of all the success that is happening and I could provide references but your not interested in any of that because it does not fit your ideology.

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On 08-26-19 23:43, Aaron Thomas <=-
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No, but it is losing money. When it was being built, Trump's
organization hired undocumented workers. There have been numerous other

Why don't liberals vote for Trump then? He supports their people if he employs illegals.

Because most liberals and moderates are not as hypocritical as he is.

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On 08-27-19 19:18, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Trump failures Fake <=-

Has something happened to the ice skating rink in NYC that Trump
built?

He did not build that -- it was built by the

Yes he did take it over from many failed attempts
by the city because
the copper kept getting ripped off by thugs and criminals.

In other words, when you said that Trump built it -- you were not
telling the truth.

and your not giving credit where credit is due, money poured into the
rink and the copper kept getting ripped off until Trump came along
and providing a solution and provided more then just knowledge new concrete was poured, this was a Trump project of which was a success saving the city future lost money.

I am merely responding to your false statement that "Trump built it".

I know you like pointing out the so called failures.

And I know that you and your rose colored glasses cannot see those
failures.

Donald Trump is more of a success then the failure

That is not certain.

He is also a Billionaire.

Even that is not certain.

Sure some of the things
like the casino and other ventures did not work out. Ok so why does
any of that matter?

Because in his (and your) mind, he can do no wrong. Someone has to
mention the emporer's cloths (or lack thereof). In addition to the
failures mentioned, he has also left behind a number of people he has
stiffed, welching on deals with them.

he is far better President then Clinton or Omama - combined.

You can believe that if you want. But how about comparing national debt
under Clinton with that under Trump? How about how Obama pulled the USA
out of a recession and saved the GM Automobile company? How about
comparing what Trump has done to destroy the USA credibility with other countries.

Dale Shipp
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On 28 Aug 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 08-26-19 23:43, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Trump failures <=-

No, but it is losing money. When it was being built, Trump's organization hired undocumented workers. There have been numerous ot

Why don't liberals vote for Trump then? He supports their people if h employs illegals.

Because most liberals and moderates are not as hypocritical as he is.

There is nothing moderate about a liberal, more like delusional.

Humans do have an amazing capacity for believing what they choose / and excluding that which is painful.

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On 2019 Aug 27 18:57:50, you wrote to me:

i don't know where you're getting youre bullshit from but holy crap,
man... you really need to get out of that pool of poison...
especially when you go spouting off half-cocked about what democrats
want when you don't have the first clue...

With me being on the Right,

you are conflating your political position with you being correct or not... that's like saying everyone east of the mississippi is wrong because they are on the left of the country...

I know very well what they want.

no you don't... i'm telling you that right now...

Open borders

they're no more open than other countries...

and free everything.

nope, not even that...

Are you suggesting that I am wrong?

yes, i'm flat out telling you that you are absolutely wrong...

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On 2019 Aug 28 21:10:44, you wrote to me:

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I believe it is fixed now.

it appears so... thank you :)

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On 2019 Aug 29 07:04:22, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

Why don't liberals vote for Trump then? He supports their people if
h[sic] employs illegals.

Because most liberals and moderates are not as hypocritical as he is.

There is nothing moderate about a liberal, more like delusional.

read that again... he didn't say anything about moderate liberals... he named them as two different categories...

Humans do have an amazing capacity for believing what they choose /
and excluding that which is painful.

you are a perfect example of this...

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On 29 Aug 2019, mark lewis said the following...

On 2019 Aug 27 18:57:50, you wrote to me:

i don't know where you're getting youre bullshit from but holy crap,
man... you really need to get out of that pool of poison...
especially when you go spouting off half-cocked about what democrats
want when you don't have the first clue...

With me being on the Right,

you are conflating your political position with you being correct or not... that's like saying everyone east of the mississippi is wrong because they are on the left of the country...

I know very well what they want.

no you don't... i'm telling you that right now...

Open borders

they're no more open than other countries...

and free everything.

nope, not even that...

Are you suggesting that I am wrong?

yes, i'm flat out telling you that you are absolutely wrong...

Alright, then answer me this. Why did every single democrat running for the office of the President raise their hand when asked.
Should America provide free health care to every illegal migrant that crosses into the United States of America? Oh didn't I knew about that little tid bit of information? Did you. Think Again..

They are kind of hard NOT to pay attention to with all the insane things
that they are talking about doing if they win.

The first domino has fallen called Gillibrand.

Not a single solitary one of them, have a snowball chance in hell of beating Trump.

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Humans do have an amazing capacity for believing what they choose / and excluding that which is painful.

you are a perfect example of this...

ditto

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On 08-29-19 07:04, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Trump failures <=-

Because most liberals and moderates are not as hypocritical as he is.

There is nothing moderate about a liberal, more like delusional.

Humans do have an amazing capacity for believing what they choose /
and excluding that which is painful.

Look in a mirror and recognize that applies to you in spades.

Dale Shipp
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On 2019 Aug 29 20:43:16, you wrote to me:

Are you suggesting that I am wrong?

yes, i'm flat out telling you that you are absolutely wrong...

Alright, then answer me this. Why did every single democrat running
for the office of the President

so now you're moving the goal posts, eh? you didn't say "running for the office
of the president" or anything even close to that in your original statement(s)... you said you knew what all democrats want when you obviously don't have a clue...

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On 30 Aug 2019, mark lewis said the following...

On 2019 Aug 29 20:43:16, you wrote to me:

Are you suggesting that I am wrong?

yes, i'm flat out telling you that you are absolutely wrong...

Alright, then answer me this. Why did every single democrat running for the office of the President

so now you're moving the goal posts, eh? you didn't say "running for the office of the president" or anything even close to that in your original statement(s)... you said you knew what all democrats want when you obviously don't have a clue...

The Democratic candidates are the one driving the conversation, surely they
are not that out of touch with what democratic voters want or expect them to
do if elected.

That's not moving the goal posts, that is how this works.

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On 08-27-19, GREGORY DEYSS said to MARK LEWIS:

i don't know where you're getting youre bullshit from but holy crap,
man... you really need to get out of that pool of poison... especially
when you go spouting off half-cocked about what democrats want when you don't have the first clue...

With me being on the Right, I know very well what they want.
Open borders and free everything. Are you suggesting that I am wrong?

You're wasting your time. The lefties in Fido are the same as the lefties in the democrat press/congress/education system; Their minds are locked on one thing only; Trump bad....impeach....RussiaRussiaRussia......


The lefties in congress and those lefties on the stump for 2020 right now are all singing the same song. I've noticed over the years that lefties hollar about health care should be free....college should be free.....


What they don't mention is where the money to pay for all this is to come
from.


They want health care for a bunch of assholes who crashed over our southern border to be free....we should educate illegals for free....we should
subsidize their housing.....and on and on....


What you *never* see or hear one of these brickbats ever mention is `where all the money to pay for this free stuff is gonna come from.


The answer to that is: the taxpayers! They never mention that.




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On 08-29-19, GREGORY DEYSS said to DALE SHIPP:

On 28 Aug 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 08-26-19 23:43, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Trump failures <=-

No, but it is losing money. When it was being built, Trump's organization hired undocumented workers. There have been numerous

ot DS>

Why don't liberals vote for Trump then? He supports their people if

h DS> AT> employs illegals.

Because most liberals and moderates are not as hypocritical as he is.

There is nothing moderate about a liberal, more like delusional.

And every time a liberal steps up to a mic in front of the cameras and says; `We are a nation of laws'!......yet the liberals refuse to enforce the law ... their hypocrisy drenches them in their lies!

Humans do have an amazing capacity for believing what they choose / and GD>excluding that which is painful.

Lefties are good at that.


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They are kind of hard NOT to pay attention to with all the insane things GD>that they are talking about doing if they win.

The first domino has fallen called Gillibrand.

Not a single solitary one of them, have a snowball chance in hell of GD>beating Trump.

This asshole liberal on one of the leftie (fake) news shows was whining about the Electoral College....and he says `....if it wasn't in the Constitution
it'd be un-constitutional'!


Thats like saying...`if that wasn't a pickle it'd be a cucumber'!


Might have been Chris Hayes....not the fastest arrow in the leftie's quiver!


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On 2019 Aug 31 11:49:34, you wrote to me:

On 30 Aug 2019, mark lewis said the following...

so now you're moving the goal posts, eh? you didn't say "running for
the office of the president" or anything even close to that in your
original statement(s)... you said you knew what all democrats want
when you obviously don't have a clue...

The Democratic candidates are the one driving the conversation,

no, they're driving *their* conversation...

surely they are not that out of touch with what democratic voters want
or expect them to do if elected.

they could be...

That's not moving the goal posts, that is how this works.

your moving of the goal posts was to state that you knew what "every democrat" wanted... when confronted with your statement, you changed it to specify only those "running for the office of the president"... can you deny that?

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On 01 Sep 2019, mark lewis said the following...

On 2019 Aug 31 11:49:34, you wrote to me:

On 30 Aug 2019, mark lewis said the following...

so now you're moving the goal posts, eh? you didn't say "running for
the office of the president" or anything even close to that in your
original statement(s)... you said you knew what all democrats want
when you obviously don't have a clue...

The Democratic candidates are the one driving the conversation,

no, they're driving *their* conversation...

surely they are not that out of touch with what democratic voters wan or expect them to do if elected.

they could be...

That's not moving the goal posts, that is how this works.

your moving of the goal posts was to state that you knew what "every democrat" wanted... when confronted with your statement, you changed it
to specify only those "running for the office of the president"... can
you deny that?

I'll put to you this way, There are Democrat voters who do not remotely agree what these sycophant Democratic candidates running for the Office of the Presidency office are saying.
These democrats will be voting for Trump.

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On 2019 Sep 01 13:09:20, you wrote to me:

That's not moving the goal posts, that is how this works.

your moving of the goal posts was to state that you knew what "every
democrat" wanted... when confronted with your statement, you changed
it to specify only those "running for the office of the president"...
can you deny that?

I'll put to you this way,

there you go twisting away and attempting to divert to something else to get away from your false statement...

There are Democrat voters who do not remotely agree what these
sycophant Democratic candidates running for the Office of the
Presidency office are saying.

that may be true...

These democrats will be voting for Trump.

you don't know that and it is much too early to even be thinking of such...

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