On 12-09-19 07:13, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-

What is so evil about new airports and
bridges and working together on infrastructure for the American
people?

Nothing at all. That is one of the things that Trump promised. How did that go? Either now, or when he controlled both houses of Congress?
Has he or the Republican introduced any such bills? I really don't know and would like to find out if they did and if so, what happened to them.

The problem is obstruction with the Democratic Party remember Nancy
and Chuck, Nancy looking smug, and motionless. Chuck acting like crime boss shaking his finger. Show a bit of restraint man; your in the
presence of the President. Not Chuck's fault really as he just got with
a all nighter binge watching the DVD set of "The Sopranos."

Since you have nothing factual to say, you insult the Democratic
participants. They went to the meeting with expectations of having
meaningful talks on a plan, but instead got told that Trump would not
work on infrastructure with them until they killed the investigations. Basically, he sandbagged them.

Dale Shipp
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On 10 Dec 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

The problem is obstruction with the Democratic Party remember Nancy and Chuck, Nancy looking smug, and motionless. Chuck acting like cri boss shaking his finger. Show a bit of restraint man; your in the presence of the President. Not Chuck's fault really as he just got wi a all nighter binge watching the DVD set of "The Sopranos."

Since you have nothing factual to say, you insult the Democratic participants. They went to the meeting with expectations of having meaningful talks on a plan, but instead got told that Trump would not
work on infrastructure with them until they killed the investigations. Basically, he sandbagged them.

These two... Nancy and Chuck deserve these insults and a whole lot more, as they have been the main ones responsible for wasting many hundreds of
millions of Tax Payers dollars on investigations and impeachment proceedings, over what? There was no collusion or obstruction w/ Donald Trump and make no mistake was and is the target, and phone call with a foreign leader of which there was nothing wrong with.

Read the transcript for your self.
https://tinyurl.com/y3phva3c

By the way that bit about Biden (within the transcript) The President is duty bound by the Constitution to investigate corruption where ever it may be.
It's beyond high time that the DEMS read that document too.

Who sandbagged who? Would you work with someone trying to stab you in the
back or trying to remove you? I know I wouldn't.

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On 12-10-19 07:14, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Infrastructure Mtgs <=-

Read the transcript for your self.
https://tinyurl.com/y3phva3c

I most certainly have read it. It clearly states, and Trump admits,
that it asks the Ukrainian President for favors which would possibly
help his political chances in the future. It admits that he is
withholding vital aid to Ukraine conditioned on those favors being
announced. And not to forget, that aid was vital to *OUR* national
security against one of the USA's most formidal and consistent
adversaries -- Russia. What Trump was doing was aiding Russia against
one of our allies.

By the way that bit about Biden (within the transcript) The President
is duty bound by the Constitution to investigate corruption where ever
it may be.

Then he should have been asking for investigation against all
corruption, not just against the claimed corruption which would aid his political goals (and which has been completely debunked).

It's beyond high time that the DEMS read that document too.

It's high time that Trump started reading it. He does not act as if he believes that Congress has any job other than to serve his bidding.
Ditto the Judicial branch. The Constitution clearly set up three equal branches of government. The current authoritarian in the Whitehouse
believes that he is the only government that matters.

Dale Shipp
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(1:261/1466)

Who sandbagged who? Would you work with someone trying to stab you in
the back or trying to remove you? I know I wouldn't.

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Then he should have been asking for investigation against all
corruption, not just against the claimed corruption which would aid his

How would that question sound?

"Could you please investigate all forms up corruption in your state except for crimes committed by Hunter Biden? It's real important that we let him get
away with everything he did, or my friend Adam might injure his eye sockets."

People need to choose if they're for corruption or against it.

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On 12-11-19 12:39, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Infrastructure Mtgs <=-

Then he should have been asking for investigation against all
corruption, not just against the claimed corruption which would aid his

How would that question sound?

"Could you please investigate all forms up corruption in your state
except for crimes committed by Hunter Biden? It's real important that
we let him get away with everything he did, or my friend Adam might
injure his eye sockets."

You would have been fine if you had stopped with a full stop after state
but before except. He did exactly the opposite. The only corruption he mentioned was to investigate and dig up dirt on Biden -- which is in
violation of Federal law. Oh, wait a minute, he did ask them to look
into the Ukraine interference into the 2016 elections. That happens to
be a Russian misinformation op put out by Putin himself.

People need to choose if they're for corruption or against it.

True -- and Trump did not choose to be against corruption with respect
to Ukraine.

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On 12-14-19 09:38, Ron Lauzon <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-

Trump has denied the role of Congress to be an independent body by refusing to allow anyone in the Whitehouse staff to submit to a Subpoena from Congress. What is he so afraid of? His actions have been
anything but frivolous. They harmed an ally and aided an adversary.

If the House (not "Congress") had the power to make people testify,
they they should do so. It's their circus after all.

Given enough time, they could enforce the lawful subpoenas that Trump is denying -- but it takes time to push that through the court system. It
is NOT a circus.

But I'll throw this back at you:
Why are the Dems refusing to answer questions about the
Bidens? Why has Hunter
Biden dropped off the face of the Earth?
What are the Dems afraid of?

Afraid of nothing, and the questions were answered a long time ago.
Just not to Trump's satisfaction.

You must have missed Beto's remarks about seizing everyone weapons.

Actually, he did not say that he would seize everyone's weapons. He
made his statement about assault weapons of mass destruction which have
no real justification to be in individual hands.

The Dems have pushed gun control for a long time now and their words
and actions have followed the same course that every other depot has
done to disarm the public.

No one is trying to disarm the public, but it is long past the time when
for America to continue doing nothing to diminish mass shootings at
malls, synagogues, and schools. That has got to stop.

Dale Shipp
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No one is trying to disarm the public, but it is long past the time when for America to continue doing nothing to diminish mass shootings at
malls, synagogues, and schools. That has got to stop.

I think that was what Obama said about it. "It has to stop." Tough talk! But nobody is on board with anything that anyone else is on board with.

Congress can step in and help us with this - but they are busy right now,
doing stuff that is actually important to them.

If Democrats could build a time machine, the first thing they'd do is go back to 2016 and change their front-runner. Highest priority ever.

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No one is trying to disarm the public, but it is long past the time when for America to continue doing nothing to diminish mass shootings at
malls, synagogues, and schools. That has got to stop.

Maybe in the examples that you have provided if there a a good guy with a gun these events wouldn't of been a massacre.

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Dale Shipp wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

Given enough time, they could enforce the lawful subpoenas that Trump
is denying -- but it takes time to push that through the court system.
It is NOT a circus.

Hmm... They've spent 3 years trying to impeach Trump. Now the articles are done and going to the Senate. But there are only 2 charges - and 1 is getting struck down by the Supreme Court - neither of which are High Crimes - and are not impeachable.

It's a circus. It's nothing more than redirection from criminal things the Dems are doing.

Afraid of nothing, and the questions were answered a long time ago.
Just not to Trump's satisfaction.

Um.. When were they "answered" since no one has really investigated yet?

Actually, he did not say that he would seize everyone's weapons. He
made his statement about assault weapons of mass destruction which have
no real justification to be in individual hands.

The same misdirection that the Dems have been using for Gun Control for quite sometime now.

No one is trying to disarm the public, but it is long past the time
when for America to continue doing nothing to diminish mass shootings
at malls, synagogues, and schools. That has got to stop.

You obviously are unaware of what's going on in Virginia.

And the facts prove that gun control does not stop shootings.

Remember, even a 5th grader understands that criminals don't obey laws. Gun control only removes guns from law abiding systems.

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Gregory Deyss wrote to Dale Shipp <=-

No one is trying to disarm the public, but it is long past the time when for America to continue doing nothing to diminish mass shootings at
malls, synagogues, and schools. That has got to stop.

Maybe in the examples that you have provided if there a a good guy with
a gun these events wouldn't of been a massacre.

That happens more often then people realize. But the media either doesn't report it, or downplays the good guy with a gun, and makes it seem like people don't use legal guns for self-defence.


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Where do you get that? After the farmers lost much, they finally approved 12billion aid -- but that did not come from tariffs, it came from the public coffers at the expense of you and me. The government does not get the money from tariffs, the consumer pays them.

Your initial statement and narrative was that Farmers were getting screwed, you did not speak of the 12 Billion aid until I called out fallacy of this lefty spin, only when you knew that it was not true (what you originally indicated) did you then speak of the 12 Billion dollars aid.
What proof do you have to state it did not come from the Tariffs.
12 Billion from the American taxpayer is unlikely.

ALL Lefty talking points can ALL be walked back or yanked back
- your choice of course.

Here WE have a President in Donald Trump who truly loves America and all Americans within, he did not run for power or conquest, he is working for
free. I find it remarkable that he has been able to accomplish as much as he has with all of the media leaning far left and the Democratic Party out to
get him since the day he took office. Now the American people who stand
with the OUR President, are coming after the Democratic party of troublemakers.

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On 12-15-19 21:05, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: More stuff <=-

No one is trying to disarm the public, but it is long past the time when for America to continue doing nothing to diminish mass shootings at
malls, synagogues, and schools. That has got to stop.

I think that was what Obama said about it. "It has to stop." Tough
talk! But nobody is on board with anything that anyone else is on board with.

Obama could not pass gun control laws since the Republican Congress
would not even allow anything to be debated.

Congress can step in and help us with this - but they are busy right
now, doing stuff that is actually important to them.

One of those things was the House passed a gun control law -- but it is
one of more than 400 House passed bills that McConnell stuffed into his
desk drawer without even allowing discussion or vote.

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Obama could not pass gun control laws since the Republican Congress
would not even allow anything to be debated.

It sounds like both parties need to do some serious thinking about who they elect in the future. Mitch can kiss it if he's the cause of all this. I don't live in his district, but if he's playing dictator like you say, then he will be out of office soon enough.

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Hello Greg,


[..]

The problem is that undocumented at people have already shown us how much
they give a crap about our laws;

What can we do to stop our laws from being ignored?

Vote people out that continue to be supportive of sanctuary cities.
Stop the Federal funding to these cities. There will be some that will say
that this can not be done, oh yea watch me.. They whine and wince and cry
and stamp their feet and some will act up and say it is mean and wrong; so
is breaking the law and violating U.S. Sovereignty.

Breaking the law? What law?

http://www.ojjpac.org/sanctuary.asp


In 1996, the 104th U.S. Congress passed Pub. L. 104-208, also known
as the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigration Responsibility Act
(IIRIRA). The IIRIRA requires local governments to cooperate with
Department of Homeland and Security's Immigration and Customs
Enforcement (ICE) Agency. Despite the IIRIRA, hundreds of urban,
suburban, and rural communities have ignored the law and adopted
so-called "sanctuary policies".

[..]

Sanctuary policies exist in two forms, formal and informal (de facto).

[..]

An informal sanctuary policy is an `unwritten' policy that exists
but is not formally documented on paper. An informal policy might be
oral, handshake, or even unspoken understandings or agreements.

[..]

.... no public record exists.

[..]

.... an unwritten santuary policy.

-=end quote=-

The list of sanctuary cities as noted by the site is inaccurate,
as New Orleans is *not* a so-called "sanctuary city" - and never
has been, as noted by both the current Democratic governor of
Louisiana and his Republican opponent in the 2019 gubernatorial
election.

There is much more to this issue. The site noted above presents
the original list that was created in 2006 and last updated on
August 29, 2019. Other sites have their own lists.

Next few posts I will be uncovering (and exposing) what the Trump administration does *not* want folks to know or find out about ...

--Lee

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On 17 Dec 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 12-15-19 21:05, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: More stuff <=-

No one is trying to disarm the public, but it is long past the time w for America to continue doing nothing to diminish mass shootings at malls, synagogues, and schools. That has got to stop.

I think that was what Obama said about it. "It has to stop." Tough talk! But nobody is on board with anything that anyone else is on boa with.

Obama could not pass gun control laws since the Republican Congress
would not even allow anything to be debated.

The problem is with the gun control laws. Chicago has the strictest controls anywhere in the nation, but yet people of color keep killing each with guns. I doubt that these people are going through normal controls on obtaining a gun. Stop blaming the gun blame the individual and the culture which drives lawlessness.

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Hello Aaron,

Obama could not pass gun control laws since the Republican Congress >DS>would not even allow anything to be debated.

It sounds like both parties need to do some serious thinking about who they >elect in the future. Mitch can kiss it if he's the cause of all this. I
don't
live in his district, but if he's playing dictator like you say, then he
will
be out of office soon enough.

Why have term limits? Repeal the 22nd Amendment and let the people
decide who or what they want to serve them as their POTUS. That
would be the most prodemocratic thing that `we the people' could and
should do.

The state of Louisiana used to have a law that limited the governor
to serve one term. Of course, he or she could sit out a while and
then be elected to a new first term. And then sit out for a while
and then be elected to a new first term. Et al ad infinitum. The
state of Virginia still has such a law today. However, times have
changed. Almost all other states allow a governor to be elected
to two consecutive terms before they have to sit out for a while,
after which they can run for a new first (and second consecutive)
term.

The state of Washington does have it right. A governor is not
limited to serve one term. Or two terms. Or even three terms.
The people of Washington wisely chose to allow their governor
to serve for as many terms as he wants, without ever having to
give up his office. Just like Moscow Mitch.

--Lee

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Hello Greg,

Obama could not pass gun control laws since the Republican Congress >DS>would not even allow anything to be debated.

The problem is with the gun control laws. Chicago has the strictest controls
anywhere in the nation, but yet people of color keep killing each with
guns. I doubt that these people are going through normal controls on obtaining a gun. Stop blaming the gun blame the individual and the culture which drives lawlessness.

Lawlessness? A long time ago Japan had no guns. The people chose
swords and knives as their weapons of choice. Then came the white
man, with his guns. So the people of Japan also got guns as their
weapon of choice. But that did not lost long, as the emperor got
rid of all the guns in Japan. So the people again used swords and
knives as their weapon of choice. This freedom from guns lasted
about a century. Then the white man returned, bringing more guns
with him. Japan again got the urge to use guns, and we all know
what happened next.

Today not many people in Japan use guns. They much prefer to do
things the old-fashioned way, with swords and knives. Thanks to
gun control laws, very few crimes with guns take place in Japan.
Just compare the stats between Japan and the US. It could not
be any plainer. People kill people with guns quicker than people
who kill people with swords and knives.

--Lee

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be out of office soon enough.

Why have term limits? Repeal the 22nd Amendment and let the people

I don't understand? Do you want Mitch to stick around forever?

I'm in favor of term limits. I'm sick of my governor, but he's not going anywhere.

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On 12-18-19 06:37, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: More stuff <=-

No one is trying to disarm the public, but it is
long past the time w
for America to continue doing nothing to diminish mass shootings at
malls, synagogues, and schools. That has got to stop.

The problem is with the gun control laws. Chicago has the strictest controls anywhere in the nation, but yet people of color keep killing
each with guns. I doubt that these people are going through normal controls on obtaining a gun. Stop blaming the gun blame the individual
and the culture which drives lawlessness.

Stick to the thread which is about mass shootings at malls, synagogues
and schools. Inner city problems are valid, but require different
measures. The mass shooting have been single persons (mostly white
males) using high capacity weapons. Banning such weapons would help
curb the carnage of school children, etc.

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measures. The mass shooting have been single persons (mostly white
males) using high capacity weapons. Banning such weapons would help

Is it PC to say *mostly white males*? Does race even matter? Are the majority of these mass shootings racially motivated? How about all that liberal news that follows the shootings: is it racially-motivated too?

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On 12-20-19 10:19, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: More stuff <=-

measures. The mass shooting have been single persons (mostly white
males) using high capacity weapons. Banning such weapons would help

Is it PC to say *mostly white males*?

It is a fact. In fact, I do not recall that any were females.

Does race even matter? Are the
majority of these mass shootings racially motivated?

Some are, some are not.

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The problem is with the gun control laws. Chicago has the strictest controls anywhere in the nation, but yet people of color keep killing each with guns. I doubt that these people are going through normal controls on obtaining a gun. Stop blaming the gun blame the individua and the culture which drives lawlessness.

Stick to the thread which is about mass shootings at malls, synagogues
and schools. Inner city problems are valid, but require different measures. The mass shooting have been single persons (mostly white
males) using high capacity weapons. Banning such weapons would help
curb the carnage of school children, etc.

So there are no malls or synagogues or schools in Chicago?
Of course there is, therefore my point is made perfectly, but I will indicate it again, if Chicago has one of the strictest gun laws then how the people of Chicago still killing one another with guns. Easy, they are obtaining guns outside the law. The origin of why runs even deeper where the truth hurts. Children growing up without Fathers. The music is angry, the culture is angry, they also vote Democratic, they have promises made by democrat politicians but seldom are kept.

So I ask you again, What has the Democrats ever done for you?

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On 12-15-19, DALE SHIPP said to RON LAUZON:

Given enough time, they could enforce the lawful subpoenas that Trump is DS>denying -- but it takes time to push that through the court system. It DS>is NOT a circus.

That works both ways. Trump hasn't just refused and then sat back to see what developes (like Hussein Obama and his gang did). He's sought remedy in the courts. Remember them? `Courts of law'? And it may surprise you how many times the courts have backed him!

But I'll throw this back at you:
Why are the Dems refusing to answer questions about the
Bidens? Why has Hunter
Biden dropped off the face of the Earth?
What are the Dems afraid of?

Afraid of nothing, and the questions were answered a long time ago.
Just not to Trump's satisfaction.

That is such an obvious lie!


The democrats have done everything they can possibly do to obstruct, mis- state, and outright lie about things they're trying to impeach trump for.


Back in a sec....gotta look something up.....hmmmm lets see (clintons and the Haiti aid scam.....Joe & Hunter Biden in Ukraine money laundering....husband
of impeachment democrat take $700k from Ukrainian oligarch......


Ah! Here it is.....


During Rudy Gulliani recent visit to Ukraine it was learned that six (count `em; SIX) criminal cases involving Joe and Hunter Biden, are going on there. (Did I mention money-laundering by the Bidens?)

Further....a Ukrainian official has documents he says proves that U.S. ambassador and `impeachment' witness; Yovanovich; deliberately committed perjury during her `testimony'.


We still haven't heard from Adam Shitt on Joe Biden's threat to Ukraine to
hold up a billion dollars if a prosecutor investigating Joe's gravy train; Burisma; wasn't fired. Talk about `quid pro quo'!


Oh and...BTW; There was an ongoing investigation involving Burisma Holdings
and Hunter Biden's pay as a board member, back in spring of 2016. The investigation was underway several weeks before Joe Biden (VP at the time) stepped in and threatened withholding of a billion dollars if the procsecutor in the case wasn't fired.



Yeah....I can understand the democrats wanting to thrust `impeachment' into
the limelight and try to keep it there for a long time.


Distracts from democrat wrong-doing in the Obama years; not to mention one of their star candidates for president; Joe Biden.


Stay tuned!





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On 12-16-19, GREGORY DEYSS said to DALE SHIPP:

No one is trying to disarm the public, but it is long past the time when for America to continue doing nothing to diminish mass shootings at
malls, synagogues, and schools. That has got to stop.

Maybe in the examples that you have provided if there a a good guy with a GD>gun these events wouldn't of been a massacre.

Democrats ignore several things (deliberately?);


The vast majority of mass shootings take place in (supposedly) gun-free zones! In places where, if one or more citizens present had been armed, the number of victims would have either been far less, or none at all.


There is always a great outcry from democrat politicians after one of these shooting incidents for MORE laws....MORE rules.....


But a hard look at the majority of these incidents reveals that NONE of the rules democrats have forced into place on guns would have prevented a single one!


The aim of all these continuous rules and laws and restrictions is to eventually disarm all American civilians, such that only the military, law enforcement, and certain special units like National Guard; Civil Defense;
etc, are armed.


From that point Americans are no longer free citizens, they are `subjects'. At the mercy of the `ruling' class (government).


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On 12-17-19, DALE SHIPP said to AARON THOMAS:

On 12-15-19 21:05, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: More stuff <=-

No one is trying to disarm the public, but it is long past the time when for America to continue doing nothing to diminish mass shootings at
malls, synagogues, and schools. That has got to stop.

I think that was what Obama said about it. "It has to stop." Tough
talk! But nobody is on board with anything that anyone else is on board with.

Obama could not pass gun control laws since the Republican Congress
would not even allow anything to be debated.

Congress can step in and help us with this - but they are busy right
now, doing stuff that is actually important to them.

One of those things was the House passed a gun control law -- but it is DS>one of more than 400 House passed bills that McConnell stuffed into his DS>desk drawer without even allowing discussion or vote.

If the Constitution was actually followed, and the Second amendment was viewed for what it actually is: s citizen's right to KEEP and BEAR (as in `carry at all times, any where in the US of A) mass shootings would probably not ever happen.


There'd be so many people carrying weapons (openly or concealed) nobody'd have the nerve to `go off' and start shooting people.





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On 12-20-19, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:

On 12-18-19 06:37, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: More stuff <=-

No one is trying to disarm the public, but it is
long past the time w
for America to continue doing nothing to diminish mass shootings at
malls, synagogues, and schools. That has got to stop.

The problem is with the gun control laws. Chicago has the strictest controls anywhere in the nation, but yet people of color keep killing
each with guns. I doubt that these people are going through normal
controls on obtaining a gun. Stop blaming the gun blame the individual
and the culture which drives lawlessness.

Stick to the thread which is about mass shootings at malls, synagogues DS>and schools. Inner city problems are valid, but require different DS>measures. The mass shooting have been single persons (mostly white DS>males) using high capacity weapons. Banning such weapons would help DS>curb the carnage of school children, etc.

Yeah! Right! That way...instead of killing ...say....15 or so *unarmed* people in a few bursts... they'd be forced to kill 15 or so people one shot at a
time!


The democrats like to distract attention from most mass shootings occuring in *gun-free zones*!


`*Gun-free zone*: A place or area where noone is allowed to carry, possess, or have within easy access; a firearm of any kind.


*Gun-free zone* alternate definition: A free-fire zone for any wingnut with a firearm and a yen for getting their name on the evening left-wing news. Also;
a place where murderous pieces of dog-dirt know they can freely open fire on a large group of innocent people, without getting themselves pumped full of
holes by armed citizens shooting back!



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On 12-20-19, AARON THOMAS said to DALE SHIPP:

measures. The mass shooting have been single persons (mostly white
males) using high capacity weapons. Banning such weapons would help

Is it PC to say *mostly white males*? Does race even matter? Are the AT>majority of these mass shootings racially motivated? How about all that AT>liberal news that follows the shootings: is it racially-motivated too?

Some idiot democrat went off at the mouth about `white' shooter recently, only to learn it was a *black* shooter and she should have gotten her facts before running off in the media!


BTW....that story was quickly deep-sixed! It is no longer on the web. It only happened within the last few days and is already disappeared!


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Does race even matter? Are the
majority of these mass shootings racially motivated?

Some are, some are not.

But the mass shootings that are race related - it's real important to specify that they're race-related - why is that?

And the mass shootings that are committed by white males - it's real
important to specify that it was committed by a white male - why is that?

If a black male kills 20 people over the course of 20 years, is he any better or worse than the white male who kills 20 in 20 minutes?

Stir that hatred cauldron! Stir it up and watch it explode! Best way to get votes?

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Hello Aaron,

be out of office soon enough.

Why have term limits? Repeal the 22nd Amendment and let the people

I don't understand? Do you want Mitch to stick around forever?

There are no term limits for US Senators. Nor should there be.
There are no term limits for US Representatives. Nor should there be.

Why should people be denied their own choice as to who they believe
should be elected? That is why term limits are antidemocratic.

It is not a question as to who I want. Or who you want.
It is a matter of who "we the people" want. Even if that
someone be genius or dimwit, it is their choice to make.

I'm in favor of term limits.

Why? If an elected public official is doing a great job, why would
you want that elected public official be forced to quit? Competence
should be rewarded, not punished. Term limits punish the public,
who are then left with fewer choices, and often poorer choices.

I'm sick of my governor, but he's not going anywhere.

The governor of Kentucky could not have been shown the door
quickly enough, having pardoned 428 criminals before exiting.

I doubt he will win any future election in Kentucky.

--Lee

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Some idiot democrat went off at the mouth about `white' shooter
recently, only to learn it was a *black* shooter and she should have

The liberal news stresses race too much. I don't see the logic in it; they
want to bash whites, but what do they get out of it?

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Hello Tim,

No one is trying to disarm the public, but it is long past the time

when

for America to continue doing nothing to diminish mass shootings at malls, synagogues, and schools. That has got to stop.

I think that was what Obama said about it. "It has to stop." Tough
talk! But nobody is on board with anything that anyone else is on board with.

Obama could not pass gun control laws since the Republican Congress DS>would not even allow anything to be debated.

Congress can step in and help us with this - but they are busy right
now, doing stuff that is actually important to them.

One of those things was the House passed a gun control law -- but it is DS>one of more than 400 House passed bills that McConnell stuffed into his DS>desk drawer without even allowing discussion or vote.

If the Constitution was actually followed, and the Second amendment was
viewed for what it actually is: s citizen's right to KEEP and BEAR (as in a`carry at ll times, any where in the US of A) mass shootings would
probably hnot ever appen.

There were only a small handful of mass shootings that took place
before 1980 or so. Why is that? Because up until that time the courts
viewed the Second Amendment as protecting the rights of individuals.
Today, the courts have changed their opinion, viewing the Second
Amendment as protecting the rights of gun manufacturers, not people.

As such, it is okay for people to kill as many other people with
guns, with no action ever taken against gun manufacturers as being
responsible for having manufactured such weapons of mass destruction.

There'd be so many people carrying weapons (openly or concealed) nobody'd have
the nerve to `go off' and start shooting people.

The Wild, Wild, West was a fun time for a handful of people.
Not so much fun for everybody else.

--Lee

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on 12/21/2019, TIM RICHARDSON : GREGORY DEYSS supposed :

On 12-20-19, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:

On 12-18-19 06:37, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: More stuff <=-

No one is trying to disarm the public, but it is
long past the time w
for America to continue doing nothing to diminish mass shootings at malls, synagogues, and schools. That has got to stop.

The problem is with the gun control laws. Chicago has the strictest controls anywhere in the nation, but yet people of color keep killing each with guns. I doubt that these people are going through normal controls on obtaining a gun. Stop blaming the gun blame the individual and the culture which drives lawlessness.

Stick to the thread which is about mass shootings at malls, synagogues DS>and schools. Inner city problems are valid, but require different DS>measures. The mass shooting have been single persons (mostly white DS>males) using high capacity weapons. Banning such weapons would help DS>curb the carnage of school children, etc.

Yeah! Right! That way...instead of killing ...say....15 or so *unarmed* people
in a few bursts... they'd be forced to kill 15 or so people one shot at a time!

That method worked pretty darned well for a young white dude
who went off the rails at a church in South Carolina, offing several
black members as they prayed to their god ...

The democrats like to distract attention from most mass shootings occuring
in
*gun-free zones*!

All places of worship should be *gun-free zones*.
All schools (including kindergaten) should be *gun-free zones*.
All hospitals (including insane asylums) should be *gun-free zones*.
Hell, every place where people congregate should be *gun-free zones*.
That is the only way we can all be safe.
Except for our own selves, who have a right to off themselves -
even though doing so remains illegal regardless of method.

`*Gun-free zone*: A place or area where noone is allowed to carry, possess, or
have within easy access; a firearm of any kind.

*Gun-free zone* alternate definition: A free-fire zone for any wingnut with
a
firearm and a yen for getting their name on the evening left-wing news.
Also;
a place where murderous pieces of dog-dirt know they can freely open fire
on a
large group of innocent people, without getting themselves pumped full of holes by armed citizens shooting back!

Children armed with guns is not a good idea.
Religious worshippers armed with guns is not a good idea.
Doctors armed with syringes, scalpels and poison pills is bad enough.
People kill people with guns far more frequently than with any other
weapon. And this is being done by choice, as accessibility to guns
is so easy here in the USA. There are loopholes that allow certified
nutcases to buy whatever weapon they want without a background check.
Or get one from a friend or relative. Probably at no cost at all.

--Lee

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There are no term limits for US Senators. Nor should there be.
There are no term limits for US Representatives. Nor should there be.

Imagine if your district had a US Rep who kept fooling people repeatedly;
"I'll fix it once elected.." then "I'll fix it once re-elected.." and they
keep falling for it over and over - while you're irritated and taking notice
of what's going on. Do you get me? I think you see Trump in that way.

The governor of NY isn't in touch with reality. He gave the green light of illegals to get drivers licenses, he wants to legalize marijuana, and he
wants to enact a bill that will require mandatory recounts in close
elections. He's got no to-do list for legitimate NYers. Losers from the
state's GOP tried to run against him, but the entire state government is democrat, so what are republican voters to do? Move to Montana? It shouldn't
be that way.

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Hello Aaron,

There are no term limits for US Senators. Nor should there be.
There are no term limits for US Representatives. Nor should there be.

Imagine if your district had a US Rep who kept fooling people repeatedly; >"I'll fix it once elected.." then "I'll fix it once re-elected.." and they >keep falling for it over and over - while you're irritated and taking notice >of what's going on. Do you get me? I think you see Trump in that way.

We never needed to have an amendment to limit the number of terms
a president could serve consecutively. And we still do not need such
an amendment today. No other state needs to have such a limitation
on its chief executive, as voters (we the people) should always have
the final say on the matter.

Denying people the right to choose who they want to serve is
antidemocratic. Why limit their choices by imposing limitations
on who they can vote for? Makes no sense.

Louisiana used to limit governors to serve a single term.
Virginia still limits governors to serve a single term.
A governor can serve a term, leave, then get elected to
another term. But not consecutively. This limitation
is antidemocratic.

Washington state has no such limitation. The incumbent
govenor has just been elected to serve a third consecutive
term. The people there really do love their governor.

FDR was elected to serve four consecutive terms. He would
have continued to serve for many more terms had he not died
so suddenly and unexpectedly ...

The governor of NY isn't in touch with reality.

He has gone on record as saying folks in NY should not get married
because the judge who marries them may have been appointed by Trump.
Much better for couples to live in sin (Cuomo is Catholic).

He gave the green light of illegals to get drivers licenses,

With mandatory insurance, a good move.

he wants to legalize marijuana,

Makes sense. End the charade. Why have law enforcement
chase down non-violent offenders? Much better to legalize
marijuana so it can be controlled (bought and sold) like
cigarettes on the open market. That way, the state gets
additional revenue to spend on projects. And law enforcement
has more funds to chase down real criminals - those who are
violent and should be removed from society.

and he wants to enact a bill that will require mandatory recounts in close
elections.

And with the caveat the secretary of state recuse himself
from counting the ballots if he is a candidate.

Not all states have mandatory recounts. Kentucky has no such
law, but recounts can be done if a candidate requests (under certain conditions).

Point is, mandatory recounts should be non-partisan, with
no candidate being favored based on party affiliation.

He's got no to-do list for legitimate NYers.

So does every state.

Losers from the state's GOP tried to run against him, but the entire state
government is democrat, so what are republican voters to do? Move to
Montana? It shouldn't be that way.

The composition of the legislature in NY is split pretty evenly,
not being heavily one way or the other. As a result, the governor
has to work with both parties in order to get things done.

In Louisiana, the governor is a Democrat. Republicans control
a super majority in the Senate (2/3rds), and are two votes shy of
having a super majority in the House. As such, Republicans can
get pretty much everything they want, even with a Democratic
governor - who just won re-election to a second consecutive term.

--Lee

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Lee Lofaso wrote to TIM RICHARDSON <=-

There were only a small handful of mass shootings that took place
before 1980 or so. Why is that? Because up until that time the courts viewed the Second Amendment as protecting the rights of individuals. Today, the courts have changed their opinion, viewing the Second
Amendment as protecting the rights of gun manufacturers, not people.

*LAUGH*

As such, it is okay for people to kill as many other people with
guns, with no action ever taken against gun manufacturers as being responsible for having manufactured such weapons of mass destruction.

Why take action against a manufacturer? The product worked as advertised.

I suppose you are also for charging GM/Ford for every person hurt by a drunk driver or person texting while driving.


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Lee Lofaso wrote to TIM RICHARDSON <=-

All places of worship should be *gun-free zones*.
All schools (including kindergaten) should be *gun-free zones*.
All hospitals (including insane asylums) should be *gun-free zones*.
Hell, every place where people congregate should be *gun-free zones*.
That is the only way we can all be safe.
Except for our own selves, who have a right to off themselves -
even though doing so remains illegal regardless of method.

Gun-free zone = Criminal safe zone.

The idea that we have to ban guns to be safe is a line of BS the Dems have been pushing for decades and is completely false.

Read "More Guns, Less Crime" by John R. Lott. When he started writing the book, he believed as you. By the time he dug through the facts, he changed his mind.

Children armed with guns is not a good idea.

And why do you think that a school administrator who has a CCW means that children will get the gun?

Religious worshippers armed with guns is not a good idea.

Why? Law abiding prople don't shoot up churches.

Doctors armed with syringes, scalpels and poison pills is bad enough. People kill people with guns far more frequently than with any other weapon.

Another lie.

And this is being done by choice, as accessibility to guns
is so easy here in the USA.

And every country who disarmed their citizens didn't do anything to reduce crime, even gun crime.

There are loopholes that allow certified
nutcases to buy whatever weapon they want without a background check.
Or get one from a friend or relative. Probably at no cost at all.

And criminals don't obey laws - like any 5 year old knows. Passing a law only impacts law abiding people.

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Lee Lofaso wrote to aaron thomas <=-

Denying people the right to choose who they want to serve is antidemocratic. Why limit their choices by imposing limitations
on who they can vote for? Makes no sense.

You need to do more research into career politians.

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Denying people the right to choose who they want to serve is antidemocratic. Why limit their choices by imposing limitations
on who they can vote for? Makes no sense.

Term limits allow for some balance between the left & the right. With Andrew Cuomo wanting to govern NY for the rest of his life, the conservatives never have a chance at feeling safe in their homes; no prospect of ever feeling
safe.

If there was a term limit for governor, then the liberals could elect the
next anti-american in line once Cuomo's term-limit is up. Or, with a little luck, we'd get a good Republican governor instead. This guy is such a typical democrat that he's abusing his power by signing far-left bills into law despite the only Republican state senator's pleas to listen to residents. It seems like he's doing it to be anti-Trump; strictly for popularity points.

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Hello Ron,

Denying people the right to choose who they want to serve is >LL>antidemocratic. Why limit their choices by imposing limitations
on who they can vote for? Makes no sense.

You need to do more research into career politians.

Why? If the will of the people is to vote for the same politician(s)
over and over again, who is deny them that choice?

--Lee

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Hello Ron,

Denying people the right to choose who they want to serve is >LL>antidemocratic. Why limit their choices by imposing limitations
on who they can vote for? Makes no sense.

You need to do more research into career politians.

FDR was my favorite. But John Dingell comes in a close second.

--Lee

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Hello Aaron,

Denying people the right to choose who they want to serve is >LL>antidemocratic. Why limit their choices by imposing limitations
on who they can vote for? Makes no sense.

Term limits allow for some balance between the left & the right.

Term limits deny the people the opportunity to elect the candidate
of their choice.

With Andrew Cuomo wanting to govern NY for the rest of his life, the
conservatives never have a chance at feeling safe in their homes; no
prospect of ever feeling safe.

The late Paul Wellstone, who was US Senator from Minnesota, told
his supporters how to win elections - "Organize, organize, organize!"

It had nothing to do with term limits, as members of Congress
have no term limits. If people want to elect a candidate to office,
the best way to do so is to "Organize! Organize! Organize!"

US Senator Kamala Harris ran for the Democratic nomination.
Her run did not last long. Why not? Because she had the most
disorganized campaign manager who she could possibly have hired.
Even though she had opened strong, it was all downhill from there.
Not because Joe Biden or any other candidate was better than her.

The people have every right to vote for the candidate of their
choice. Term limits would deny the people their right to do so.
An incumbent with a job approval rating of 90 percent having to
leave office due to term limits is just plum nuts.

I am fine by whoever the American people choose as president.
Same by whoever the people of a state choose as governor. Or for
any election - local, state, or national.

If there was a term limit for governor, then the liberals could elect the
next anti-american in line once Cuomo's term-limit is up.

If the people like who they have now, why should they be denied
the opportunity to re-elect that same person to the same office?

The choice as to who to serve should always be left to "we the people"
- not by any other group (or individual).

Or, with a little luck, we'd get a good Republican governor instead.

Elections are like clockwork. Happens every four years (for governor
of NY). As such, Republicans will have their chance in the next
scheduled election. Unless the incumbent declares martial law or
some other kind of nonsense.

This guy is such a typical democrat that he's abusing his power by signing
far-left bills into law despite the only Republican state senator's pleas
to listen to residents. It seems like he's doing it to be anti-Trump; strictly for popularity points.

Well, if that's what the people want, their wish is his command ...

--Lee

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Term limits deny the people the opportunity to elect the candidate
of their choice.

But before we abolish term limits, let's first get some voter reform enacted. That way, we don't have dead liberal voters, illegal immigrant voters, or liberals turning registered Republicans away at the polls. I'm sure Cuomo has "voting rights for illegals" somewhere near the top of his to-do list for foreign criminals.

Not because Joe Biden or any other candidate was better than her.

Are you sure you're not playing the blame-game? Kamala was pretty lousy from the start through conservative eyes; we didn't want to get stuck with her.
Not many of the others are as big of a nightmare as her. I think Joe Biden, despite all of his corruption and abuse of power, is a much better choice
than get-drunk-and-smoke-weed-all-day-Kamala.

to listen to residents. It seems like he's doing it to be anti-Trump; strictly for popularity points.

Well, if that's what the people want, their wish is his command ...

It's not fair for democrats to manipulate the votes and then say that Cuomo
is "the will of the people."

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On 12-23-19, RON LAUZON said to LEE LOFASO:

Lee Lofaso wrote to TIM RICHARDSON <=-

There were only a small handful of mass shootings that took place
before 1980 or so. Why is that? Because up until that time the courts viewed the Second Amendment as protecting the rights of individuals.
Today, the courts have changed their opinion, viewing the Second
Amendment as protecting the rights of gun manufacturers, not people.

*LAUGH*

As such, it is okay for people to kill as many other people with
guns, with no action ever taken against gun manufacturers as being responsible for having manufactured such weapons of mass destruction.

Why take action against a manufacturer? The product worked as advertised.

I suppose you are also for charging GM/Ford for every person hurt by a RL>drunk driver or person texting while driving.

Or take action against Schwinn or Roadmaster whenever a kid doesn't have the sense to stay in the bike lane, and gets hit by a car.


Or sue beer companies for accidents caused by someone who was drinking `their' brand at a bar just prior to driving, and killing someone.


Or make liquir distillers legally liable for alchoholism.



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