05-21-14 11:54 Roy Witt wrote to Holger Granholm about LPDA antenna

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Howdy! Roy,
-snip-

I also have my 1st ever Amateur Radio Handbook from 1964, but
it is too fragile to handle these days without damaging the so
often referred to antenna information pages I used back then.

The 1957 Handbook that someone gave me (in 1961) is still all together.

My 1960 Handbook (which was the first I ever bought) has fell apart.
It is hard to handle and even though I don't read it very often,
it is still part of my library, and I keep it if ever I wanted to
re-read an article or project in it, it's there for me to fumble with.

I'd guess the Company A.R.R.L chose to Print (and Bind) the
1960 Edition issue of the Handbook had used a 'less expensive' method
of putting the sections of that Edition together.

The later Handbooks I have bought since 1964 all have been bound much
better than that 1960 copy I got when I was in Norfolk, Virginia at
Navy Radiomans School and was wanting to learn enough so I could get
Commercial RadioTelephone and RadioTelegraph Licenses from the F.C.C.
office in downtown Norfolk.

I took the F.C.C.'s tests and got 3rd Class Licenses for both of them
before I finished School on the Base in May 1960.

I never used the CW License, but I once was a Radio Dispatcher for the
local government 'City Radio' station and showed my Third Class
RadioTelephone License to the boss when he asked me to fill out a
Form to get a Restricted RadioTelephone Permit, to show him I didn't
need a 'Permit' because the 'License' I already owned gave me
all the permission needed to be a Radio Dispatcher for the City.

He still had me fill out the 'Permit' Form just to keep me legal.

I did ask him a few months later to sign (Endorse) my License so I
could get the F.C.C. to renew it for another Term.

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Greetings Ed!

I also have my 1st ever Amateur Radio Handbook from 1964, but
it is too fragile to handle these days without damaging the so
often referred to antenna information pages I used back then.

The 1957 Handbook that someone gave me (in 1961) is still all
together.

My 1960 Handbook (which was the first I ever bought) has fell apart.
It is hard to handle and even though I don't read it very often,

I think that is the problem with my 64 ARHB...it was handled a great deal
in the coming years as we used it as a reference for antenna building.

it is still part of my library, and I keep it if ever I wanted to
re-read an article or project in it, it's there for me to fumble
with.

In 1977 I opted for the ARRL 'antenna handbook' rather than pay for a
bunch of things not required at the time.

I'd guess the Company A.R.R.L chose to Print (and Bind) the
1960 Edition issue of the Handbook had used a 'less expensive' method
of putting the sections of that Edition together.

That may be so. Have you looked in those books for the printers names? You might also note that there is a difference in the books; one being a paper binding and the other being a cloth binding. i.e my 1977 ARRL hand book is paper bound and the suggested retail inside the cover says that it was
sold at $7.50, whiie the cloth bound edition cost $12.50...I would expect
that the cloth bound books would last a lot longer.

The later Handbooks I have bought since 1964 all have been bound much better than that 1960 copy I got when I was in Norfolk, Virginia at
Navy Radiomans School and was wanting to learn enough so I could get Commercial RadioTelephone and RadioTelegraph Licenses from the F.C.C. office in downtown Norfolk.

I think that (license) is the only reason I'd join the Navy back then.
I've wanted to get one of those for years, but never had the time to take
a course that would get me there.

I took the F.C.C.'s tests and got 3rd Class Licenses for both of them before I finished School on the Base in May 1960.

Great.

I never used the CW License, but I once was a Radio Dispatcher for
the local government 'City Radio' station and showed my Third Class RadioTelephone License to the boss when he asked me to fill out a
Form to get a Restricted RadioTelephone Permit, to show him I didn't
need a 'Permit' because the 'License' I already owned gave me all the permission needed to be a Radio Dispatcher for the City.

You were right to do so. When/if the FCC were to inspect your station,
they wern't going to be looking for a city permit...

He still had me fill out the 'Permit' Form just to keep me legal.

Yeah, that's called CYA...

I did ask him a few months later to sign (Endorse) my License so I
could get the F.C.C. to renew it for another Term.

Did he?


Have a day!

R\%/itt - K5RXT

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06-08-14 13:11 Roy Witt wrote to Ed Vance about LPDA antenna

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Greetings Ed!

Howdy! Roy,
-snip-

In 1977 I opted for the ARRL 'antenna handbook' rather than pay
for a bunch of things not required at the time.

I bought the Editors and Engineers "Radio Handbook" two times.
16th Edition and 20 Edition.

Someone else had a copy and showed it to me and I thought I'd like
to have one also. Then I got the second one some years later.

In Oakland, California I visited a Ham I met on the air and he had
another hard cover Radio Book that I looked through and liked, but I
never remembered its Title where I could get one for myself.

I'd guess the Company A.R.R.L chose to Print (and Bind) the
1960 Edition issue of the Handbook had used a 'less expensive' method
of putting the sections of that Edition together.

That may be so. Have you looked in those books for the printers
names? You might also note that there is a difference in the
books; one being a paper binding and the other being a cloth
binding. i.e my 1977 ARRL hand book is paper bound and the
suggested retail inside the cover says that it was sold at
$7.50, whiie the cloth bound edition cost $12.50...I would
expect that the cloth bound books would last a lot longer.

Rumford Press printed the 1957 and 1960 A.R.R.L RAHB I have.
The RAHB's I've got since 1964 don't show who published it for them.

I always bought the soft cover handbooks, remember I "AM A CHEAP LID".

The later Handbooks I have bought since 1964 all have been bound much better than that 1960 copy I got when I was in Norfolk, Virginia at
Navy Radiomans School and was wanting to learn enough so I could get Commercial RadioTelephone and RadioTelegraph Licenses from the F.C.C. office in downtown Norfolk.

I think that (license) is the only reason I'd join the Navy
back then. I've wanted to get one of those for years, but never
had the time to take a course that would get me there.

The Navy didn't have anything to do with my wanting to have those
licenses, I did it because there was a F.C.C. Office in Norfolk, VA
and wondered if I knew enuf to get one of those thar things for myself.
-snip-

I never used the CW License, but I once was a Radio Dispatcher for
the local government 'City Radio' station and showed my Third Class RadioTelephone License to the boss when he asked me to fill out a
Form to get a Restricted RadioTelephone Permit, to show him I didn't
need a 'Permit' because the 'License' I already owned gave me all the permission needed to be a Radio Dispatcher for the City.

You were right to do so. When/if the FCC were to inspect your
station, they wern't going to be looking for a city permit...

The City doesn't issue Restricted RadioTelephone Permits, the FCC does.

As far as them inspecting the Station, the City had a contract with a
2-Way Radio service company for Maintenance and Service of the Base and
Mobile units.
If there were any problems with the station, we would call the Company
who had the maintenance contract any time Day or Night, and they would
send a Licensed Technician to fix things.
-snip-

I did ask him a few months later to sign (Endorse) my License so I
could get the F.C.C. to renew it for another Term.

Did he?

Yep!, He sure did, and I did re-new those licenses when it came time
to re-new them, but I forgot to do so when those licenses were due to
expire.

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Greetings Ed!

In 1977 I opted for the ARRL 'antenna handbook' rather than pay
for a bunch of things not required at the time.

I bought the Editors and Engineers "Radio Handbook" two times.
16th Edition and 20 Edition.

Someone else had a copy and showed it to me and I thought I'd like
to have one also. Then I got the second one some years later.

In Oakland, California I visited a Ham I met on the air and he had
another hard cover Radio Book that I looked through and liked, but I
never remembered its Title where I could get one for myself.

Hmmmm. The only hard cover AR book that I have is a ARRL published 'Yagi Antenna Design' by Dr James Lawson, W2PV, c1986. Dunno why it is in my
library, as it was seldom used because of computer software that did what
I probably bought the book for.

I'd guess the Company A.R.R.L chose to Print (and Bind) the
1960 Edition issue of the Handbook had used a 'less expensive'
method of putting the sections of that Edition together.

That may be so. Have you looked in those books for the printers
names? You might also note that there is a difference in the
books; one being a paper binding and the other being a cloth
binding. i.e my 1977 ARRL hand book is paper bound and the
suggested retail inside the cover says that it was sold at
$7.50, whiie the cloth bound edition cost $12.50...I would
expect that the cloth bound books would last a lot longer.

Rumford Press printed the 1957 and 1960 A.R.R.L RAHB I have.
The RAHB's I've got since 1964 don't show who published it for them.

The above mentioned book was publication #72 in the AR's library. You can probably find it on their website.

I always bought the soft cover handbooks, remember I "AM A CHEAP
LID".

You and me both. Seldom used books last a very long time.

The later Handbooks I have bought since 1964 all have been bound
much better than that 1960 copy I got when I was in Norfolk,
Virginia at Navy Radiomans School and was wanting to learn enough so
I could get Commercial RadioTelephone and RadioTelegraph Licenses
from the F.C.C. office in downtown Norfolk.

I think that (license) is the only reason I'd join the Navy
back then. I've wanted to get one of those for years, but never
had the time to take a course that would get me there.

The Navy didn't have anything to do with my wanting to have those licenses, I did it because there was a F.C.C. Office in Norfolk, VA
and wondered if I knew enuf to get one of those thar things for
myself. -snip-

My Elmer, K6XT held one of those licenses and he was a radio technicion in
the Navy. Art, at the time, resided in the BOQ of the Naval Training
Center in San Diego when I met him.

I never used the CW License, but I once was a Radio Dispatcher for
the local government 'City Radio' station and showed my Third Class
RadioTelephone License to the boss when he asked me to fill out a
Form to get a Restricted RadioTelephone Permit, to show him I didn't
need a 'Permit' because the 'License' I already owned gave me all
the permission needed to be a Radio Dispatcher for the City.

You were right to do so. When/if the FCC were to inspect your
station, they wern't going to be looking for a city permit...

The City doesn't issue Restricted RadioTelephone Permits, the FCC
does.

I know. And note the word, if...the FCC will pay you a visit if they think
it has reason to do so. Monty Sisco, WB6UKD had that same license, had a
repair shop where he refurbished older Motorola business radio and
serviced customers who rented space on his BR repeaters on Mt San Miguel.

He did this out of his garage at home and got a FCC visit and was asked
to open the repeater building on the mountain for inspection. Dunno why.

As far as them inspecting the Station, the City had a contract with a 2-Way Radio service company for Maintenance and Service of the Base
and Mobile units. If there were any problems with the station, we
would call the Company who had the maintenance contract any time Day
or Night, and they would send a Licensed Technician to fix things.
-snip-

So you really didn't need to have that license to work there? The HAM echo co-mod has that same license and works in a Rhode Island radio or TV
station. License required in his case.

I did ask him a few months later to sign (Endorse) my License so I
could get the F.C.C. to renew it for another Term.

Did he?

Yep!, He sure did, and I did re-new those licenses when it came time
to re-new them, but I forgot to do so when those licenses were due to expire.

Shame, shame...


Have a day!

R\%/itt - K5RXT

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06-23-14 12:27 Roy Witt wrote to Ed Vance about LPDA antenna

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Greetings Ed!

Howdy! Roy,
-snip-

Hmmmm. The only hard cover AR book that I have is a ARRL
published 'Yagi Antenna Design' by Dr James Lawson, W2PV,
c1986. Dunno why it is in my library, as it was seldom used
because of computer software that did what I probably bought
the book for.

The book I mentioned seeing wasn't just for "Amateur" Radio.
-snip-

Rumford Press printed the 1957 and 1960 A.R.R.L RAHB I have.
The RAHB's I've got since 1964 don't show who published it for them.

The above mentioned book was publication #72 in the AR's
library. You can probably find it on their website.

I don't need another copy.
-snip-

I never used the CW License, but I once was a Radio Dispatcher for
the local government 'City Radio' station and showed my Third Class
RadioTelephone License to the boss when he asked me to fill out a
Form to get a Restricted RadioTelephone Permit, to show him I didn't
need a 'Permit' because the 'License' I already owned gave me all
the permission needed to be a Radio Dispatcher for the City.

You were right to do so. When/if the FCC were to inspect your
station, they wern't going to be looking for a city permit...

The City doesn't issue Restricted RadioTelephone Permits, the FCC
does.

I know. And note the word, if...the FCC will pay you a visit if
they think it has reason to do so. Monty Sisco, WB6UKD had that
same license, had a repair shop where he refurbished older
Motorola business radio and serviced customers who rented space
on his BR repeaters on Mt San Miguel.

He did this out of his garage at home and got a FCC visit and
was asked to open the repeater building on the mountain for
inspection. Dunno why.

Read below

As far as them inspecting the Station, the City had a contract with a 2-Way Radio service company for Maintenance and Service of the Base
and Mobile units. If there were any problems with the station, we
would call the Company who had the maintenance contract any time Day
or Night, and they would send a Licensed Technician to fix things.
-snip-

So you really didn't need to have that license to work there?
The HAM echo co-mod has that same license and works in a Rhode
Island radio or TV station. License required in his case.

WB6UKD had Amateur and Commercial gear in that Repeater Building.
The FCC had a reason or they wouldn't want to visit where the Gear was.
-snip-

Yep!, He sure did, and I did re-new those licenses when it came time
to re-new them, but I forgot to do so when those licenses were due to expire.

Shame, shame...

Yep!, I don't have that License to brag about any more.
NNNN

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