In a message dated 06-27-14, Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

GM Ed,

.... .. . -..

TKS or is it TNX that's used on CW?

You disappoint me. We'll better stay with printed letters.
My line above clearly says "HI ED".

I have never used the short form TKS but instead TNX or TU.

I'm not familiar with the HA-24 RF AMP, I'll hafta go look through
my collection of Heath catalogs to refresh my memory.
Later: I looked through several Heathkit catalog issues but never
seen mention of either the HA-24 or the HP-24, guess I will have to
go to a Search Site to find out.

The assembly manual is printed 1965.

When I read about your 872B problem I was 'thinking' the tube was a
Triode or Tetrode and couldn't find any info on it while rambling
thru the Transmitting Tubes pages in the back of my 1976 A.R.R.L.
Radio Amateur's Handbook.

No wonder because I made a mistake. The tubes used in the HA-24 are two
572B's in grounded grid configuration.

There IS A Difference! but you know how it is with the old saying
that it's hard to learn an old dog a new trick.

Well,previously you did use the hyphen for a dash so apparently there
has been a change of mind to antique times.

Speaking of "locationally challenged", Your mention of being in
Finland when You went into the Army, made me wonder if You are
Finnish and moved to Ahvenanmaa?
(I found that word just now with the WordWeb Dictionary) hi 73

No I'm not finnish. I am born as a "finland/swede" which means that my
native language is swedish. While living in Finland you will be called
in for obligatory military duty at age 18+. That will last 8 - 12 months

At age 26 I moved to the Aland Islands which is a self-governing part of Finland with our own parliament and laws. The Aland Islands is a demili- tarized zone and hence there is no military duty either.

The name Ahvenanmaa is not an official name for this area because the
only official language is swedish an therefore that name is not OK.


CU AGN, Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger

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06-29-14 12:05 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: HA-24

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In a message dated 06-27-14, Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

GM Ed,

.... .. . -..

TKS or is it TNX that's used on CW?

You disappoint me. We'll better stay with printed letters.
My line above clearly says "HI ED".

GA Holger,

It has been a L O N G time since I've had a CW QSO and I couldn't
remember if TKS or TNX was the Morse Code abbreviation for Thanks,
which is what I was trying to say as a "Thank You" in my earlier Reply.

I have never used the short form TKS but instead TNX or TU.

I saw TKS mentioned in a magazine once and thought it 'sounded' more
like the word thanks sounds and I started using it instead of TNX even
though TNX has a real nice rythym to it as it is being sent.

I don't believe I've ever heard TU back when I was active on CW.

I'm not familiar with the HA-24 RF AMP, I'll hafta go look through
my collection of Heath catalogs to refresh my memory.
Later: I looked through several Heathkit catalog issues but never
seen mention of either the HA-24 or the HP-24, guess I will have to
go to a Search Site to find out.

The assembly manual is printed 1965.

I found a 1967 HEATHKIT Catalog and saw the HA-14 "KW Kompact" and its
DC and AC Power Supplies described in it.
Thanks for helping me to know when Your RF Amplifier was being sold.

When I read about your 872B problem I was 'thinking' the tube was a
Triode or Tetrode and couldn't find any info on it while rambling
thru the Transmitting Tubes pages in the back of my 1976 A.R.R.L.
Radio Amateur's Handbook.

No wonder because I made a mistake. The tubes used in the HA-24
are two 572B's in grounded grid configuration.

I see that You wrote HA-24 again, it is the HA-14 You own isn't it?

There IS A Difference! but you know how it is with the old saying
that it's hard to learn an old dog a new trick.

Well,previously you did use the hyphen for a dash so apparently
there has been a change of mind to antique times.

I thought a dash was the same name for a hyphen, and the character I
used is called a UnderScore?

Speaking of "locationally challenged", Your mention of being in
Finland when You went into the Army, made me wonder if You are
Finnish and moved to Ahvenanmaa?
(I found that word just now with the WordWeb Dictionary) hi 73

No I'm not finnish. I am born as a "finland/swede" which means
that my native language is swedish. While living in Finland you
will be called in for obligatory military duty at age 18+. That
will last 8 - 12 months

At age 26 I moved to the Aland Islands which is a
self-governing part of Finland with our own parliament and
laws. The Aland Islands is a demili- tarized zone and hence
there is no military duty either.

Thank You! for sharing that info.

The name Ahvenanmaa is not an official name for this area
because the only official language is swedish an therefore that
name is not OK.

I just thought to use that word after seeing it in the WordWeb program.

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education.

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to all who share their knowledge through their use of a BBS.
73
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In a message dated 06-30-14, Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

GM Ed,

I saw TKS mentioned in a magazine once and thought it 'sounded' more
like the word thanks sounds and I started using it instead of TNX
even though TNX has a real nice rythym to it as it is being sent.

On the contrary, I feel that TNX sounds more like saying thanks.

The assembly manual is printed 1965.

I found a 1967 HEATHKIT Catalog and saw the HA-14 "KW Kompact" and
its DC and AC Power Supplies described in it.

Yeah, originally it was intended to be a mobile kilowatt but luckily
Heathkit decided to provide an AC powersupply too for 115/230V

No wonder because I made a mistake. The tubes used in the HA-24
are two 572B's in grounded grid configuration.

I see that You wrote HA-24 again, it is the HA-14 You own isn't it?

Actually that is easily explained. The name of the PS is HP-24, why
not HP-14 ? Well, after sifting through the manual I found out that
the mobile PS was named HP-14.

I thought a dash was the same name for a hyphen, and the character I
used is called a UnderScore?

As Roy showed to you there's no space between two underscores so
consequently two underscores will be read as ONE dash.

No I'm not finnish. I am born as a "finland/swede" which means
that my native language is swedish.

At age 26 I moved to the Aland Islands which is a
self-governing part of Finland with our own parliament and

Thank You! for sharing that info.

The name Ahvenanmaa is not an official name for this area
because the only official language is swedish an therefore that
name is not OK.

I just thought to use that word after seeing it in the WordWeb
program.

Yeah, the finns are poking their "translations" everywhere.


73 de Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger

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07-02-14 09:27 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: HA-24/HA-14?

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In a message dated 06-30-14, Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

GM Ed,

GM Holger,

I saw TKS mentioned in a magazine once and thought it 'sounded' more
like the word thanks sounds and I started using it instead of TNX
even though TNX has a real nice rythym to it as it is being sent.

On the contrary, I feel that TNX sounds more like saying
thanks.

Most Ham Radio Operators are use to the sound of TNX meaning Thanks,
I used TKS to throw the Receiving Op a curve, and have them think what
it was I sent.

I used to be on CW Traffic Nets and was an Official Relay Station on
the State CW Net to a Regional Net.

On evening when the Net Control Operator (NCS) was someone who has been
in Amateur Radio since the 1930's?, instead of normally sending ._. to acknowledge what he told me to do, I sent _ . _. ...._ to him, just as
a joke.

He sent back a Question Mark ..__.. and I repeated what I had sent, and
then he gave me a Telegraphic Laugh in return.

I was in my early 20's when I did that and I haven't changed much since
then.

The assembly manual is printed 1965.

I found a 1967 HEATHKIT Catalog and saw the HA-14 "KW Kompact" and
its DC and AC Power Supplies described in it.

Yeah, originally it was intended to be a mobile kilowatt but
luckily Heathkit decided to provide an AC powersupply too for
115/230V

Is the RF Amp still used?

No wonder because I made a mistake. The tubes used in the HA-24
are two 572B's in grounded grid configuration.

I see that You wrote HA-24 again, it is the HA-14 You own isn't it?

Actually that is easily explained. The name of the PS is HP-24,
why not HP-14 ? Well, after sifting through the manual I found
out that the mobile PS was named HP-14.

The Power Supply for their SB- series is named HP-23, so I suppose they
just incremented the number One Digit for the AC Power Supply for their
KW Kompact RF Amp.

I thought a dash was the same name for a hyphen, and the character I
used is called a UnderScore?

As Roy showed to you there's no space between two underscores
so consequently two underscores will be read as ONE dash.

When I type two underscores I see a smaller space between the two
characters than when I type two dashes, on my Monitor Screen.
__
--

I think on a Typewriter the underscore keys typed twice don't have any
space between them on the Paper the keys hit.

Later: I got a Typewriter out and tried it, and yes, there isn't any
space seen between the underscore characters on paper.

So that means to me I wouldn't type Morse Characters on Paper as I do
it on the computer.

I don't/didn't do it to be confusing, I just think it looks better with
the Dots and Dashes at the same level on the screen.

But everyone doesn't think like I do.
And I know that.

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In a message dated 07-04-14, Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

GM Ed,

even though TNX has a real nice rythym to it as it is being sent.

While contesting on VHF in the early 70's I started to send GL to my competitors after a finished contest exchange. To day I hear many CW
qso's on the HF bands also wishing GL (GoodLuck) to each other but that shorthand hasn't yet reached the ARRL's RAHB.

On evening when the Net Control Operator (NCS) was someone who has
been in Amateur Radio since the 1930's?, instead of normally sending
._. to acknowledge what he told me to do, I sent _ . _. ...._ to
him, just as a joke.

I have ceased to translate your dashes and dots since I don't want to
guess what letter it is that you try to implement.

Is the RF Amp still used?

I have previously stated that the tubes are finished, probably due to overdriving the PA with a Drake TR-4c. Consequently it isn't used.

why not HP-14 ? Well, after sifting through the manual I found
out that the mobile PS was named HP-14.

The Power Supply for their SB- series is named HP-23, so I suppose
they just incremented the number One Digit for the AC Power Supply
for their KW Kompact RF Amp.

Please note what I stated above, "the mobile PS is named HP-14"


CUL,

Holger

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07-06-14 09:36 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: HA-24/HA-14?

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In a message dated 07-04-14, Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

GM Ed,

even though TNX has a real nice rythym to it as it is being sent.

While contesting on VHF in the early 70's I started to send GL
to my competitors after a finished contest exchange. To day I
hear many CW qso's on the HF bands also wishing GL (GoodLuck)
to each other but that shorthand hasn't yet reached the ARRL's
RAHB.

GM Holger,

It may be that there aren't many CW Ops on the Staff at The League to
have heard GL on the CW Bands. <GRIN>

Their CW Bulletins etc. might just be developed from the Text entered
on a computer and they use a program to change that text to CW, RTTY
and maybe even their Vocal Bulletin Broadcasts.
(Remark: I never have heard a Voice Transmission from W1AW.)

On evening when the Net Control Operator (NCS) was someone who has
been in Amateur Radio since the 1930's?, instead of normally sending
._. to acknowledge what he told me to do, I sent _ . _. ...._ to
him, just as a joke.

I have ceased to translate your dashes and dots since I don't
want to guess what letter it is that you try to implement.

Sorry for the confusion Holger.
Instead of sending R to him I sent TEN4 .

Is the RF Amp still used?

I have previously stated that the tubes are finished, probably
due to overdriving the PA with a Drake TR-4c. Consequently it
isn't used.

Sorry, my remember'er didn't retain the info about the Finals going
Belly Up, that You wrote earlier.

why not HP-14 ? Well, after sifting through the manual I found
out that the mobile PS was named HP-14.

The Power Supply for their SB- series is named HP-23, so I suppose
they just incremented the number One Digit for the AC Power Supply
for their KW Kompact RF Amp.

Please note what I stated above, "the mobile PS is named HP-14"

Sorry again, I was thinking about the AC Power Supply (see above) not
the DC Power Supply when I made my comment.

I wasn't thinking (or remembering) You used it Mobile, I was thinking
it was used at the Home QTH.
And as You wrote, the Mobile PS for the HA-14 KW Kompact is a HP-14 in
the Heathkit 1967 catalog.

I don't know when Heathkit started selling the HA-14 and HP-14, but I remembered while I was in the Navy at a Base in California in the Fall
of 1962, listening to a 80M QSO where one of the Hams Signed Off from
the Round Table QSO because he had arrived at home, and then later
rejoined the QSO from his home Ham Shack.

He told them he had turned the Trucks ignition switch OFF and was
listening for his turn to Sign Off, and when he Signed Off the Kilowatt
RF Amplifier he had in his truck was still turned ON.

He said that after he turned off his Mobile Radio Gear he tried to
Start the Truck but the Battery wouldn't crank the Starter, his Few
Seconds of saying 73 when he Signed Off Drained his Battery and he
would have to go out and put a Battery Charger on it now.

Probably he was using a Heathkit HA-14 with a HP-14.

I'm not going to go looking through that stack of Heathkit Catalogs for
one printed as far back as 1962, I wasn't out of the Service until
December 1962 and I don't know if I have a 1963 catalog or not.

The stack of Ham Radio stuff is too big for me to go looking through
them again, I've got other things to do.
73
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