How come I never see anything new here? Everybody sleeping?Seems so.
David - N4DLT
How come I never see anything new here? Everybody sleeping?
How come I never see anything new here? Everybody sleeping?
How come I never see anything new here? Everybody sleeping?
Me, I'm busy playing with my D-STAR rigs. :)
.....Bob, VE5XEF
Re: ???
By: Bob Seaborn to David Westphalen on Tue Jan 05 2016 08:18 pm
How come I never see anything new here? Everybody sleeping?
Me, I'm busy playing with my D-STAR rigs. :)
.....Bob, VE5XEF
Thats one thing I have never played around with. Right
now I mostly do digital on HF like JT9, JT65, etc.
How come I never see anything new here? Everybody sleeping?
Me, I'm busy playing with my D-STAR rigs. :)
How come I never see anything new here? Everybody sleeping?
I just returned to FIDO after 6 years of absence ;))
How come I never see anything new here? Everybody sleeping?
I just returned to FIDO after 6 years of absence ;))Welcome back!
73 de Sam, OH0NC
In a message on Wednesday 01-05-16 Bob Seaborn said to David Westphalen:
How come I never see anything new here? Everybody sleeping?
Me, I'm busy playing with my D-STAR rigs. :)
Oh, poor soul, I'm totally fed up with DMR. It makes all old equipment
that dont have CTSS or other subtones useless
Well, I do also have a fusion and a dmr rig, but don't play with them all that much. I do much prefer the audo quality of D-STAR.
Hello, Bob!
07 Jan 16 10:05, from Bob Seaborn -> Holger Granholm:
Well, I do also have a fusion and a dmr rig, but don't play with
them all that much. I do much prefer the audo quality of D-STAR.
Really??
D-Star uses the older AMBE vocoder while DMR and Fusion use AMBE+2.
Fusion can also use more Bandwidth for the Vocoder compared to D-Star
and DMR.
So D-Star should sound clearly worse than any other of the mentioned techniques.
It should also be much more affected by the R2D2 effect (bad audio when
you have high bit error rates).
Than again I only have DMR and FM, so I cannot really compare.
I just returned to FIDO after 6 years of absence ;))
Have my license only for half a year ...
Me, I'm busy playing with my D-STAR rigs. :)
Thats one thing I have never played around with. Right
now I mostly do digital on HF like JT9, JT65, etc.
With HF bands going for $#!t, and the sunspot 11-year cycle on
the decline, I really enjoy D-STAR contacts all over the world, I'v
been in contct with the UK, Spain, Italy, South Africa, Australia,
New Zealand, Japan, Canada, the US, South America, etc. All crystal
clear! If I'm around, I can usually be found of XREF005B, btw.
Well, I do also have a fusion and a dmr rig, but don'tplay with
them all that much. I do much prefer the audo quality of D-STAR.
Really??
Yes, absolutely! I do have rigs for all three, and fusion is
close to D-STAR, but I'd say that dmr has a way to go. Mind you, I'm using them all with a DV4Mini, as we only have D-STAR and fusion
repeaters within range here.
That's not ham radio, real ham (amateur) radio works from your antennaMe, I'm busy playing with my D-STAR rigs. :)
to the other hams antenna, directly with radio waves as medium.
Not by networks of some sort or another!
In a message on Thursday 01-06-16 Bob Seaborn said to David Westphalen:
Hi Bob,
Me, I'm busy playing with my D-STAR rigs. :)
Thats one thing I have never played around with. Right
now I mostly do digital on HF like JT9, JT65, etc.
With HF bands going for $#!t, and the sunspot 11-year cycleonBS> the decline, I really enjoy D-STAR contacts all over the world,
I'v
been in contct with the UK, Spain, Italy, South Africa, Australia,crystalBS> clear! If I'm around, I can usually be found of XREF005B,
New Zealand, Japan, Canada, the US, South America, etc. All
btw.
That's not ham radio, real ham (amateur) radio works from your antenna
to the other hams antenna, directly with radio waves as medium.
Not by networks of some sort or another!
73 de Sam, OH0NC
aka Holger
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Hello, Bob!
07 Jan 16 15:57, from Bob Seaborn -> Richard Menedetter:
Well, I do also have a fusion and a dmr rig, but don'tplay with
them all that much. I do much prefer the audo quality of D-STAR.
Really??
Yes, absolutely! I do have rigs for all three, and fusion is
close to D-STAR, but I'd say that dmr has a way to go. Mind you, I'm
using them all with a DV4Mini, as we only have D-STAR and fusion
repeaters within range here.
It very much contradicts what other people I know say.
Maybe it is an implementation issue in your other radios??
Fact is that D-Star uses an older, worse version of the AMBE codec than
the others.
DMR and Fusion use AMBE+2 which is from the same company as D-Stars
older AMBE Codec, but with improved sound quality: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-Band_Excitation
How come I never see anything new here? Everybody sleeping?
Me, I'm busy playing with my D-STAR rigs. :)
That's not ham radio, real ham (amateur) radio works from your
antenna to the other hams antenna, directly with radio waves as
medium. Not by networks of some sort or another!
That is the good thing with HAM radio.
You can have different definitions.
Mine looks different to yours ;)
That is the good thing with HAM radio.I agree with Holger.
You can have different definitions.
Mine looks different to yours ;)Obviously. Do you have an antenna and rig, and a call?
That's not ham radio, real ham (amateur) radio works from your antenna
to the other hams antenna, directly with radio waves as medium.
Tell that to the thousands of amateurs who use the digital
networks rregularly. It's just your opinion, not shared by all.
.MSGID: 2:20/228 04208e5e
In a message on Thursday 01-06-16 Bob Seaborn said to David Westphalen:
Hi Bob,
Me, I'm busy playing with my D-STAR rigs. :)
Thats one thing I have never played around with. Right
now I mostly do digital on HF like JT9, JT65, etc.
With HF bands going for $#!t, and the sunspot 11-year cycle on HG>BS> the decline, I really enjoy D-STAR contacts all over the world, I'v HG>BS> been in contct with the UK, Spain, Italy, South Africa, Australia, HG>BS> New Zealand, Japan, Canada, the US, South America, etc. All crystal HG>BS> clear! If I'm around, I can usually be found of XREF005B, btw.
That's not ham radio, real ham (amateur) radio works from your antenna
to the other hams antenna, directly with radio waves as medium.
Not by networks of some sort or another!
73 de Sam, OH0NC
aka Holger
.MSGID: 2:20/228 01cbab9f
In a message on Saturday 01-08-16 Bob Seaborn said to Holger Granholm:
GM Bob,
That's not ham radio, real ham (amateur) radio works from your antenna
to the other hams antenna, directly with radio waves as medium.
Tell that to the thousands of amateurs who use the digital
networks rregularly. It's just your opinion, not shared by all.
I 'm also using digital networks, like Internet and Fidonet, but not
to work other hams.
CU L8ER, Sam, OH0NC
aka Holger
07 Jan 16 22:44, from Holger Granholm -> Bob Seaborn:
That's not ham radio, real ham (amateur) radio works from your antenna to the other hams antenna, directly with radio waves as medium.Me, I'm busy playing with my D-STAR rigs. :)
Not by networks of some sort or another!
That is the good thing with HAM radio.
You can have different definitions.
Mine looks different to yours ;)
CU, Ricsi
That is the good thing with HAM radio.
You can have different definitions.
Mine looks different to yours ;)
There is NO different look for Ham Radio.
IT is, and has been since it's inception, communications over Radio
waves for the entire contact.
A Microphone connected to a Computer or an Internet Adapter hardly
seems to qualify
Me, I'm busy playing with my D-STAR rigs. :)
With HF bands going for $#!t, and the sunspot 11-year cycle on HG>BS> the decline, I really enjoy D-STAR contacts all over the world,
That's not ham radio, real ham (amateur) radio works from your antenna
to the other hams antenna, directly with radio waves as medium.
Well Said and my View also.
There is NO Skill or Chalendge to operating a Ham Radio over the
Internet
That is the good thing with HAM radio.
You can have different definitions.
Mine looks different to yours ;)
There is NO different look for Ham Radio.
IT is, and has been since it's inception, communications over Radio
waves for the entire contact.
A Microphone connected to a Computer or an Internet Adapter hardly
seems to qualify
I am for example talking about D-Star/DMR/Fusion.
There you have 3 possibilitites:
1) talk on simplex HT <-> HT over radio waves (talk around on DMR)
2) HT <-> repeater <-> HT over radio waves
3) HT <-> repeater 1 <-> IP <-> repeater 2 <-> HT all over radio
except the IP link between the 2 repeaters. Those two repeaters can
be seperated by thousands of kilometers or whatever non-SI units you
like.
From MY point of view having the possibility of using option 3 does
NOT disqualify those technologies as being HAM!
Re: D-Star
By: Bob Seaborn to David Westphalen on Wed Jan 06 2016 08:41 pm
Hi again Bob,
I agree with the HF bands, they are not very good here either. I mainly stick
to PSK, JT9, and JT65 modes. Seems they are always hopping. I would love
to try
D-Star but those rigs are way out of my price range.
73,
David - N4DLT
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I am for example talking about D-Star/DMR/Fusion.
There you have 3 possibilitites:So far that is OK, but I don't understand what (talk around on DMR)
1) talk on simplex HT <-> HT over radio waves (talk around on DMR)
is.
3) HT <-> repeater 1 <-> IP <-> repeater 2 <-> HT all over radioThis is where our opinions differ.
except the IP link between the 2 repeaters. Those two repeaters
can be seperated by thousands of kilometers or whatever non-SI
units you like.
As soon as you involve an IP link, or any other transport other than
radio waves, it ceases to be ham radio
D-Star, DMR and Fusion are communication methods between two parties,
that don't use radio waves for the entire link.
Read also in QST 12/2015 p62 about the future of digital
communications.
From MY point of view having the possibility of using option 3Neither D-Star, DMR and Fusion qualify as ham radio as soon as they
does NOT disqualify those technologies as being HAM!
use an intermediate transport medium, other than radio waves!
73 de Sam, OH0NC
...I am for example talking about D-Star/DMR/Fusion.
There you have 3 possibilitites:
1) talk on simplex HT <-> HT over radio waves (talk around on DMR)
So far that is OK, but I don't understand what (talk around on DMR)
is.
Just the DMR Name for Simplex ;)
DMR assumes you use a repeater. So they call direct HT to HT talkaround
it is just a term
3) HT <-> repeater 1 <-> IP <-> repeater 2 <-> HT all over radio
except the IP link between the 2 repeaters. Those two repeaters
can be seperated by thousands of kilometers or whatever non-SI
units you like.
This is where our opinions differ.
Indeed ;)
But some people here claim that there are no differing oppinions ;))
As soon as you involve an IP link, or any other transport other than
radio waves, it ceases to be ham radio
For me it is HAM if it is related to my radio hobby.
Including the above usecase and also for example Echolink (at least when there is at least one real radio repeater involved ;)
Live and let live.
We have different viewpoints - so what ;))
D-Star, DMR and Fusion are communication methods between two parties,
that don't use radio waves for the entire link.
Not necessarily - see above.
Had many QSOs on the same DMR repeater, where no IP was involved.
Read also in QST 12/2015 p62 about the future of digital
communications.
Not everybody lives in the US, or is an ARRL member.
(I assume QST is the american HAM club magazine - anyways in my local austrian QSP magazine there was also recently an article about DMR and
the DV4Mini)
As we speak about that - I assume that the DV4Mini is seen as pure
evil coming directly from hell ;)))
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From MY point of view having the possibility of using option 3
does NOT disqualify those technologies as being HAM!
Neither D-Star, DMR and Fusion qualify as ham radio as soon as they
use an intermediate transport medium, other than radio waves!
Thank you for providing your definition.
As already discussed mine differs from yours.
I think this point has been sufficiently discussed by now, and does not need to be reiterated.
I am for example talking about D-Star/DMR/Fusion.
the ""problem"" such as it is comes when non-radio is involved...
you won't be able to reach those folks on the other side of the IP connection when the internet is down over there...
this is like all the new-fangled VOIP cr4p that everyone is jumping
on... how can you call your provider when the internet is down??
same difference... if all your supposedly ham radio contacts are on
the other side of an IP connection, them you're s#ite out of luck...
in a real emergency, that can cost lives...
3) HT <-> repeater 1 <-> IP <-> repeater 2 <-> HT all over
radio except the IP link between the 2 repeaters. Those two
repeaters can be seperated by thousands of kilometers or
whatever non-SI units you like.
This is where our opinions differ.
Indeed ;)you have to know those folks and where they are coming from...
But some people here claim that there are no differing oppinions
;))
you're pretty new here in this echo
and some folks have very strigent ideas about what the HAM hobby is
all about...
it isn't just about making contacts... it is more about being able to communicate when other modes are no longer available...
As soon as you involve an IP link, or any other transport other
than radio waves, it ceases to be ham radio
For me it is HAM if it is related to my radio hobby.radio wave comms are the last bastion... the one that can save lives
Including the above usecase and also for example Echolink (at
least when there is at least one real radio repeater involved ;)
and keep disparate groups connected when the worst comes... think
climate change and whole earth icing...
Live and let live.that's a huge "what" when it comes down to being able to contact
We have different viewpoints - so what ;))
others or not...
As we speak about that - I assume that the DV4Mini is seen asthat url is broken all to hades... you should also use a url
pure evil coming directly from hell ;)))
shortening service when posting any urls longer than 75 characters...
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Read also in QST 12/2015 p62 about the future of digital
communications.
Not everybody lives in the US, or is an ARRL member.
No, but most radio clubs subscribe to various ham magazines,
most european clubs do subscribe to QST and CQ DL or Funkschau.
You can either borrow a magazine, or at least read it at the club.
For me tha HAM hobby is about communication and technical experimentation. RM>By all available channels!
For me tha HAM hobby is about communication and technicalLeft out several critical words.
experimentation. By all available channels!
IT is about doing those things using RF energy being
transmitted.
And if one reqally Known the principple of HAM Radion one can see much Techgnical advances.
Rember that we recieves RF privedledges becasue onters saw the freques were allowed to us a Worthless. HAM experiments proved that Wrong.
Tehre is NO real advance by using fiber or land wire in the process.
In fact it is an Embarisment that some try and call that "Ham
Radio"!!!
At the end I think it is "whatever floats ones boat" ;)
I think it is best if we agree to disagree on some points, and enjoy the discussion about the many things we do not disagree about ;)
I have my callsign only for less than 1 year. (started a bit late, but better late than never).
I have my callsign only for less than 1 year. (started a bitWelcome to HAM radio ;-)
late, but better late than never).
73 de ZL4PH
Well hello there Mr. Daryl. Hope all is well down there in AR.
You can either borrow a magazine, or at least read it at the club.
Indeed - danke.
To be honest I was too lazy to go to the main club.
And possibly you refer to the article from OE1KBC?
He gave it to me, so that one I have already.
I am VERY GLAD I can keep up with what is going on with Amateur Radio
by reading Messages in BBS Echos.
I looked at all of the messages that You have written that I have inYes
my BBS saved message file but didn't notice your OE Call Sign in any
of those messges.
Are You a Licensed Amateur Radio Operator?
But keep in mind that certain messages are biased to certain
viewpoints. And that many of those viewpoints expressed are far, far
off the viewpoints of the average HAM of today.
I've heard Daryl WX1DER talk about D-Star and Echo Link but I haven't been EV>on the Air Waves for some time now though I still have my Call Sign, and EV>except for reading some about those two things on Wikipedia I haven't had EV>any interest in wanting to use them with my computer gear.
I first heard of DMR and Fusion in Amateur Radio Newsline messages in 2013.
My jaw dropped a few years ago when I watched a Youtube video about the EV>Main Prize the Dayton (Ohio) Hamvention was going to give to the Winner, EV>when I heard about the price of that Transceiver (XCVR) being way above EV>One Kilobuck USD, it really opened my eyes as my jaw dropped. WHEW!!!!!!
Fusion doesn't interest Me one bit since it is a Yaesu product.
But I'm a Cheap LID. .... ..
I am VERY GLAD I can keep up with what is going on with Amateur Radio by EV>reading Messages in BBS Echos.
Bob Seaborn wrote to David Westphalen <=-
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How come I never see anything new here? Everybody sleeping?
Me, I'm busy playing with my D-STAR rigs. :)
Bob Seaborn wrote to Richard Menedetter <=-
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Hello, Bob!
07 Jan 16 10:05, from Bob Seaborn -> Holger Granholm:
Well, I do also have a fusion and a dmr rig, but don't play with
them all that much. I do much prefer the audo quality of D-STAR.
Really??
Yes, absolutely! I do have rigs for all three, and fusion is
close to D-STAR, but I'd say that dmr has a way to go. Mind you, I'm using them all with a DV4Mini, as we only have D-STAR and fusion
repeaters within range here.
But keep in mind that certain messages are biased to certainOf which you are one??
viewpoints. And that many of those viewpoints expressed are far,
far off the viewpoints of the average HAM of today.
Bob Seaborn wrote to Richard Menedetter <=-
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Hello, Bob!
07 Jan 16 10:05, from Bob Seaborn -> Holger Granholm:
Well, I do also have a fusion and a dmr rig, but don't play with
them all that much. I do much prefer the audo quality of D-STAR.
Really??
Yes, absolutely! I do have rigs for all three, and fusion is
close to D-STAR, but I'd say that dmr has a way to go. Mind you, I'm
using them all with a DV4Mini, as we only have D-STAR and fusion
repeaters within range here.
I have D-STAR and DMR. No DMR infrastructure out here, until I put a
MMDVM on
the air later this year, I've only experienced DMR on simplex. I find
DMR
sounds a little better than D-STAR, but both are perfectly fine for me.
Oh,
and my DMR radios cost me nothing, I won them as part of a promotion
over a
year ago. They're nice FM rigs too. :)
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Bob Seaborn wrote to Vk3jed <=-
If you'd like to have a qso, you usually can find me (and numerous
others) on XRF005B. I live in Central time zone (GMT-6), if that helps.
I've chatted with VK3TUB and a couple others from your area during the day. I believe we are about 19 hours apart. :)
Bob Seaborn wrote to Vk3jed <=-
If you'd like to have a qso, you usually can find me (and numerous
others) on XRF005B. I live in Central time zone (GMT-6), if that helps.
I've chatted with VK3TUB and a couple others from your area during the
day. I believe we are about 19 hours apart. :)
Daytime (my time) is a good time, but I'm a bit hard to catch, as my
free time
is rather fragmented. I think there is a simplex D-STAR gateway that
should be
able to link to XRF005. I have a gateway here, but currently the only module
is a dummyrepeater with no mic. I eventually hope to add a RF module,
most
likely using a DV-RPTRv1
Could you be more specific?
If I am one of the average HAMs??
No, probably not.
Bob Seaborn wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
I'm lucky, I guess. I have my own DVMini access point, as well as a
local D-STAR repeater available to my use. :)
Chat with you soon, I hope.
Could you be more specific?You're right.
If I am one of the average HAMs??
No, probably not.
The average ham communicates via radio waves, either to talk with his friends, testing his gear or competing in some contests, not chatting
in the Internet.
Those Internet chats can be done without a ham license.
Bob Seaborn wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
I'm lucky, I guess. I have my own DVMini access point, as well as a
local D-STAR repeater available to my use. :)
I'd like to add a MMDVM one day, since I have both D-STAR and DMR radios here.
A DV4Mini might be useful too for local access.
Chat with you soon, I hope.
See how we go. :)
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Bob Seaborn wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
I regularly use mine for international chats, all formats,
D-STAR, C4FM (fusion), and DMR. Even last evening, I was part of the Ohio DSTAR net.
As to why I've been quiet here, I only got back on Fidonet yesterday! (after V>15-20 year break :) ).
Bob Seaborn wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
I regularly use mine for international chats, all formats,
D-STAR, C4FM (fusion), and DMR. Even last evening, I was part of the
Ohio DSTAR net.
I like the idea of versatility. I have D-STAR and DMR radios here.
Haven't
got into Fusion yet, though would like to give it a try. I want to
build an
all mode DV repeater with a MMDVM and have something like a DV4Mini for creating local hotspots. Or add a local QRP module to my repeater, so I
can
use it like a DV4Mini, but as part of the whole system.
Bob Seaborn wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
I don't know how well that would work. In it's current configuration,
the DV4Mini does NOT switch between formats based on what it receives.
In other words, if I have mine in DSTAR mode, calling with a fusion
radio will NOT switch it to fusion, the same for DMR. I know, I've
tried it.
Bob Seaborn wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
I don't know how well that would work. In it's current configuration,
the DV4Mini does NOT switch between formats based on what it receives.
In other words, if I have mine in DSTAR mode, calling with a fusion
radio will NOT switch it to fusion, the same for DMR. I know, I've
tried it.
Ahh, OK, that is a little limiting. I'd like it to go into a "monitor"
mode
after X seconds of inactivity (and no connection), so that once in
monitor
mode, it would switch to the mode of the next received transmission. I
have a
feeling that the MMDVM has this capability.
Bob Seaborn wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
So would I. That way I could use any one of my 3 digital radios
to access it, however it would also entail having a default config, and destination for each mode.
Too bad there's no 'suggestion box' one could use at Helitron.
The ONLY thing I wanted to express is that I do NOT agree with the viewpoint that only shortwave is HAM, everything else not.
The ONLY thing I wanted to express is that I do NOT agree with theNow you're really barking up the wrong tree.
viewpoint that only shortwave is HAM, everything else not.
I've worked 5-band and 3.5 MHz DXCC, worked on all bands from 3.5MHz
to 10GHz, on CW, AM and SSB, built my own gear, among them the first
SSB transmitter in OH, and won a lot of contests on HF, VHF, UHF and
SHF.
I admit that I'm maybe not an average ham, but that is because of my technical education.
Richard Menedetter wrote to Holger Granholm <=-
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@TZ: 003c
Hi Holger!
16 Feb 2016 09:28, from Holger Granholm -> Richard Menedetter:
The ONLY thing I wanted to express is that I do NOT agree with theNow you're really barking up the wrong tree.
viewpoint that only shortwave is HAM, everything else not.
Great, so we agree to agree ;))
I've worked 5-band and 3.5 MHz DXCC, worked on all bands from 3.5MHz
to 10GHz, on CW, AM and SSB, built my own gear, among them the first
SSB transmitter in OH, and won a lot of contests on HF, VHF, UHF and
SHF.
Very interesting ... never played with extremely high frequencies.
The 10GHz was satelite?
I admit that I'm maybe not an average ham, but that is because of my technical education.
What I wanted to say is points of view that a majority of HAMs
subscribe to.
In a field that is as diverse as the HAM hobby ... I do not think that there is an average HAM ;))
But this is exactly the thing that fascinates me the most.
A very diverse comunity, where most encourage the experimentation. Actually that is even in the law here ... technical, experimental radio
;)
The 10GHz was satelite?
The 10GHz was satelite?No! Tropo.
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