I'm looking at taking my test and finally get a Ham setup going.
My question is where is the best area to get HAM equipment and what is
a good starting rig?
Looking for both mobile for my truck and a base station.
Steven Sheeley wrote to All <=-
I'm looking at taking my test and finally get a Ham setup going. I've
been interested in HAM since High School (Far to long to be honest) and have finally gotten myself to the point where I can afford to do this.
My question is where is the best area to get HAM equipment and what is
a good starting rig? Looking for both mobile for my truck and a base station.
My question is where is the best area to get HAM equipment and what is a good starting rig? Looking for both mobile for my truck and a base station.
I made my test not too long ago as well. I bought a Yaesu FT-450D
it was a nice beginners Transceiver, and I am happy with it. If you
My question is where is the best area to get HAM equipment and what
is a good starting rig? Looking for both mobile for my truck and a
base station.
I made my test not too long ago as well. I bought a Yaesu FT-450DI use to have an FT-450, nice radio, easy to use and affordable.
it was a nice beginners Transceiver, and I am happy with it. If you
If you go ∞used, just make sure to get one with an auto tuner
installed, some didn't ∞have it. I run a FT-950 now :)
My question is where is the best area to get HAM equipment and what
is a good starting rig? Looking for both mobile for my truck and a
base station.
Where to buy depends on where you are, in the US there's lots of
places, I've bought from Ham Radio Outlet and was happy with them..
In Canada your choices are more limted, you basically have Radio World
or Durham Radio. Both are ok, RW is fussy about what credit card you
use..
What to buy depends on your budget and what you want to do. My belief
is you can't go wrong with a Yaesu :) That said, the cheap HT's
from Chain are pretty good for VHF/UHF. and they start around $40 compaired to name brand radio. If you buy used, TEST IT YOURSELF
BEFORE buying!!! Anything that say "untested" on ebay, etc, means it probaly is broken.. Find a model you like and look for reviews
online and on youtube.
On the HF side, there's lots of good radios out there, I strongly recomenned you get a reasonably newer modle if you go used and get
DSP, espically of you live near other people or in an apartment. A
radio without DSP is pretty mush useless in an apartment..
A Yaesu FT-450D is a good starting point and can do all most people
will really every need. I've owned Kenwoods and IComs also, but I've
had the best luck with Yaesu :) The IComs I had were a less then
plesent experience..
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* Origin: HoloDeck BBS telnet://kentsoftware.com London Canada (1:229/728)
I'm looking at taking my test and finally get a Ham setup going.
My question is where is the best area to get HAM equipment and what
is a good starting rig? Looking for both mobile for my truck and a
base station.
That's a big question. It depends what you want to do and how much you have TL>spend. Occasionally, there may be some pracical limitations (for example, i TL>you park in underground car parks, you will have significant height TL>limitations, which will limit your HF antenna options).
Daryl Stout wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
That first thought is so true...especially on how you want to spend.
A few years ago, they noted on Amateur Radio Newsline "a DC to
Daylight rig for $17,000"!! Now, I could outfit a nice shack for
$17,000 -- but for one rig, to me, that's overkill.
But, I'm sure there are some hams that wouldn't bat an eye to pay
that kind of money (must be nice to have such). Indeed, at some
hamfests, you can buy a "brick" of prize tickets for $100. But, to
avoid writers cramp, I'd suggest bringing along a "rubber stamp".
On another note, I tried to email you for an info pack on your FTN "radio net", but the address bounced.
Daryl
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Steven Sheeley wrote to All <=-
Hello everybody!
I'm looking at taking my test and finally get a Ham setup going.
I've
been interested in HAM since High School (Far to long to be honest) and have finally gotten myself to the point where I can afford to do this.
My question is where is the best area to get HAM equipment and what is
a good starting rig? Looking for both mobile for my truck and a base station.
Daryl Stout wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
But, I'm sure there are some hams that wouldn't bat an eye to pay
that kind of money (must be nice to have such). Indeed, at some
hamfests, you can buy a "brick" of prize tickets for $100. But, to
avoid writers cramp, I'd suggest bringing along a "rubber stamp".
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to DARYL STOUT <=-
I figure if the Good Lord wants me to win I only need ONE ticket. :-)
The FT-450D is an update 450 ... minor additions + the ATU is now
there by default, and is no longer optional. So if you buy a new one,
the ATU will be there. If you buy a used FT-450 (no D) you need to
check that the ATU option is installed.
12 Sep 16 17:32, you wrote to me:
Middle of nowhere in West BY GAWD Virginia. 7+ acreas of land with
few neighbbors
Kent Timm wrote to Richard Menedetter <=-
did freeband CB... Personally I find it easier to use a real CB as a
CB then mess with a good ham rig. I have a nice Cobra 135xlr for when
i want to do that.. usualy to see if roads are bad..
Tony Langdon wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
I figure if the Good Lord wants me to win I only need ONE ticket. :-)
But then you contribute less to the club. ;)
Tony Langdon wrote to Kent Timm <=-
did freeband CB... Personally I find it easier to use a real CB as a
CB then mess with a good ham rig. I have a nice Cobra 135xlr for when
i want to do that.. usualy to see if roads are bad..
I agree, CBs are best for CB, you don't have to do a lot of mental gymnastics to work out what channel you're on, simply dial it up. :)
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
But then you contribute less to the club. ;)
Well, that's a good point too. :-)
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
I have thought seriously about adding a CB for when I'm on the road,
etc.
Do people still use them at all? Or just truckers?
I have thought seriously about adding a CB for when I'm on the road,
etc.
Do people still use them at all? Or just truckers?
I agree, CBs are best for CB, you don't have to do a lot of mental
gymnastics to work out what channel you're on, simply dial it up. :)
I have thought seriously about adding a CB for when I'm on the road, etc.
Do people still use them at all? Or just truckers?
A few years ago, they noted on Amateur Radio Newsline "a DC to Daylight rig for $17,000"!! Now, I could outfit a nice shack for $17,000 -- but for one rig, to me, that's overkill.
Yes, I could haave a pretty complete shack for $17k
Haha, yeah I just get half a dozen tickets, if I'm staying for the raffle TL>(haven't stayed long enough at the last couple of hamfests I've attended).
On another note, I tried to email you for an info pack on your FTN "radio net", but the address bounced.
vk3jed@vkradio.com :)
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Maybe that was your problem? ;)
... I.R.S.: We've got what it takes to take what you've got!
... At the end of the day, it gets dark.
But, I'm sure there are some hams that wouldn't bat an eye to pay that kind of money (must be nice to have such). Indeed, at some hamfests, you can buy a "brick" of prize tickets for $100. But, to avoid writers cramp, I'd suggest bringing along a "rubber stamp".
I figure if the Good Lord wants me to win I only need ONE ticket. :-)
I figure if the Good Lord wants me to win I only need ONE ticket. :-)
But then you contribute less to the club. ;)
Daryl Stout wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
Like Tim Duffy, K3LR, does. From what I've seen, that is the ULTIMATE contester's shack.
more than have their money back, especially when they try to sell it.
So much of "no pecuniary interest". :P
Several years ago, when I ran a local traders net, there was one ham
who listed the same few items week after week. I never had a problem
with that individual. Yet, there was another one who had several
rotating sets of items, as it were. Rumor had it that he was doing it
as a business, which is a violation of the rules. He confronted me
once, and said "you're accusing me of running a business"...to which I said "I'm not accusing you of anything. But, if the shoe fits, wear
it!!".
A few nights later, I had a bizarre dream (I don't recall what I ate
for dinner, and I doubt I was being cannibalistic in eating ham (hi
This ham also sat at one end of the couch, and his son at the other,
and they were talking to each other on the local wide aread coverage repeater, with HT's. I'm still trying to figure out what purpose that served. :P
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Maybe that was your problem? ;)
I guess I shouldn't have sent it barefoot, and cranked my email
client up to 1.5 kw (hi hi). I went ahead and tried sending it from the BBS's email address...I hope that one works, or I'll have to try
another one.
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Daryl Stout wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-:P
But, not everybody has a wad of cash burning a hole in their pocket.
Do people still use them at all? Or just truckers?
I don't know about over there. In Australia, UHF CB is heavily used for all sorts of things, and there has been a revival of 27 MHz in recent years, with a Facebook group dedicated to CB. Might be something similar for the US.
Tony Langdon wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
But then you contribute less to the club. ;)
Well, that's a good point too. :-)
Yeah, we need to support the hobby too. :)
Tony Langdon wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
I have thought seriously about adding a CB for when I'm on the road,
etc.
Do people still use them at all? Or just truckers?
I don't know about over there. In Australia, UHF CB is heavily used
for all sorts of things, and there has been a revival of 27 MHz in
recent years, with a Facebook group dedicated to CB. Might be
something similar for the US.
mark lewis wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Do people still use them at all? Or just truckers?
hunh?? what do you mean "just truckers"???
Daryl Stout wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
Haha, yeah I just get half a dozen tickets, if I'm staying for the raffle
(haven't stayed long enough at the last couple of hamfests I've attended).
It's rare I'll spend that much money on tickets...especially with antenna prohibitions, meaning I can't have RF gear. But, if someone
buys $100 or so worth of tickets, if they win a big radio prize, they
more than have their money back, especially when they try to sell it.
So much of "no pecuniary interest". :P
Several years ago, when I ran a local traders net, there was one ham
who listed the same few items week after week. I never had a problem
with that individual. Yet, there was another one who had several
rotating sets of items, as it were. Rumor had it that he was doing it
as a business, which is a violation of the rules. He confronted me
once, and said "you're accusing me of running a business"...to which I said "I'm not accusing you of anything. But, if the shoe fits, wear
it!!".
A few nights later, I had a bizarre dream (I don't recall what I ate
for dinner, and I doubt I was being cannibalistic in eating ham (hi
hi)),
but I dreamed that I was contacted by the FCC, about "a ham
violating Part 97 on the Traders Net -- do you have proof??". In this dream, I submitted the logs to the FCC, and a few weeks later, on
Newsline (again in this dream), there was a report of "An Arkansas ham
was hit with a notice of liability for forfeiture for violation of
Party 97.113.A.3" (you can list ham radio items you want to buy, sell,
or trade...provided such activity isn't done on a regular basis). That
is one dream I wished would have come to pass!!
This ham also sat at one end of the couch, and his son at the other,
and they were talking to each other on the local wide aread coverage repeater, with HT's. I'm still trying to figure out what purpose that served. :P
Daryl Stout wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
That happened at a square dance (another hobby of mine) several years ago. They do a "split the pot" drawing, where 1/3 goes to the club to
pay the hall rent, 1/3 goes to the caller, and 1/3 goes to the winning ticket holder.
I bought only one ticket, and they said "we haven't sold the winner yet". Grumbling, I thought "Well, I got screwed on that one". When the time came for the drawing, this little boy drew a ticket, and the
custom was for the winner to give them a dollar. They drew my ticket!!
:)
You should've heard the cries of "RIGGED!!" (hi hi).
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Daryl Stout wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-:P
I figure if the Good Lord wants me to win I only need ONE ticket. :-)
But then you contribute less to the club. ;)
But, not everybody has a wad of cash burning a hole in their pocket.
Re: Re: Wannbe HAM
By: Tony Langdon to JIMMY ANDERSON on Thu Sep 15 2016 09:27:00
Do people still use them at all? Or just truckers?
I don't know about over there. In Australia, UHF CB is heavily used for
all sorts of things, and there has been a revival of 27 MHz in recent
years, with a Facebook group dedicated to CB. Might be something similar
for the US.
You dont see them as much any more. Some still have them of course. However,
here in Ontario Canada, it is illegal to use them while driving (Hams
have
an exemption (for now))
Tony Langdon wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
I have thought seriously about adding a CB for when I'm on the road,
etc.
Do people still use them at all? Or just truckers?
I don't know about over there. In Australia, UHF CB is heavily used
for all sorts of things, and there has been a revival of 27 MHz in
recent years, with a Facebook group dedicated to CB. Might be
something similar for the US.
Well, my wife and I are interested in the weather side of things for
HAM,
but I'm also interested in the CHAT side. :-) If CB's would give me morechance for CHAT it would be worth it. If it didn't, though, I feel
like
it would be a waste. :-)
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
You dont see them as much any more. Some still have them of course. However, here in Ontario Canada, it is illegal to use them while
driving (Hams have an exemption (for now))
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
Yeah - I support - I guess buying extra raffle tickets is
not my preferred way though. LOL
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
Well, my wife and I are interested in the weather side of things for
HAM, but I'm also interested in the CHAT side. :-) If CB's would give
me more chance for CHAT it would be worth it. If it didn't, though, I
feel like it would be a waste. :-)
Bob Seaborn wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Well, my wife and I are interested in the weather side of things for
HAM,
but I'm also interested in the CHAT side. :-) If CB's would give me morechance for CHAT it would be worth it. If it didn't, though, I feel
like
it would be a waste. :-)
Get connected with D-STAR, there are numerous nets almost every day who are chat oriented.
Tony Langdon wrote to Joe Delahaye <=-
So the question of whether CB is still in use here has a second
question "which band"?
Tony Langdon wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Yeah, that would be a purely local thing. You might need to fire up a
HF radio with wideband receive and take a listen in the 27 MHz band to
see if there's anything worth talking to, before investing in a CB. :)
None of the people I deal with have them or ever talk about them. Even when I mention HAM they say, "but I have my cell phone for that." :-)
Bob Seaborn wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Well, my wife and I are interested in the weather side of things for
HAM,
but I'm also interested in the CHAT side. :-) If CB's would give me
morechance for CHAT it would be worth it. If it didn't, though, I feel
like
it would be a waste. :-)
Get connected with D-STAR, there are numerous nets almost every day who
are chat oriented.
Yeah - Daryl mentioned that to me - pretty expensive though, right? Pluswouldn't help me for chatting during a drive. :-)
You dont see them as much any more. Some still have them of course.
However, here in Ontario Canada, it is illegal to use them while
driving (Hams have an exemption (for now))
In Saskatchewan, we have a permanent exemption, thank's to the former jutice minister who (co?)authored the bill, who also happenes to be a ham.
You dont see them as much any more. Some still have them of course.
However, here in Ontario Canada, it is illegal to use them while
driving (Hams have an exemption (for now))
It's funny how histor goes. The government back in the 1970s wanted UHF for CB and set aside a band at 477 MHz. However, the sheew weight of numbers of 27 MHz CNs in circulation forced them to adopt the US style service as well. Before then, this frequency range was actually the 11 metre ham band, and older gear like the Yaesu FT-101 series came with it fitted.
So the question of whether CB is still in use here has a second question "which band"?
I was specficially intersted in the 'business use' part. Here in
the US, part of the HAM rules are that it is NOT for business use
in any shape or form.
... Please no deja vu; I don't want to go through that again.
Re: Wannbe HAM
By: Bob Seaborn to Joe Delahaye on Thu Sep 15 2016 11:20:00
You dont see them as much any more. Some still have them of course.
However, here in Ontario Canada, it is illegal to use them while
driving (Hams have an exemption (for now))
In Saskatchewan, we have a permanent exemption, thank's to the formerham.
jutice minister who (co?)authored the bill, who also happenes to be a
The exemption has been extended once. I;m not sure of the status now.
With
our present govt leader, I dont see a change coming anytime soon, except
for
the worse. I think she lost her brains, if she ever had any.
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
LOL - thx for the history! Seriously! I enjoy reading that stuff, espescially from someone involved. :-)
I was specficially intersted in the 'business use' part. Here in
the US, part of the HAM rules are that it is NOT for business use
in any shape or form.
... Please no deja vu; I don't want to go through that again.
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
Hmm... Good idea! Thanks!
I have an HF rig but don't have it hooked up yet.
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Well we never had UHF CB here. 27 Mhz only. First it was only AM, and
then they gave us Side Band. A lot of us stayed on USB, and of course some of us just happened to get into the lower end of 10 meter <G>. I
ran a very successful net for a few years, but only on the legal
channels. Things died down, in the late 80s here. During all this
time, I was trying to get my Ham license, but kept failing to get the required wpm in CW. Needed 12 at that time. Tried three times, and
then they came in with No-Code, and I got my Basic Licence. Last
change they made I got grandfathered in to HF
The exemption has been extended once. I;m not sure of the status now.
With
our present govt leader, I dont see a change coming anytime soon,
except for
the worse. I think she lost her brains, if she ever had any.
I suspect most politicians never made use of what they had (if any) in
the first place. :)
then they gave us Side Band. A lot of us stayed on USB, and of
course some of us just happened to get into the lower end of 10
meter <G>. I
Here, they gave us UHF, then 18 channels of AM/SSB with a unique band plan, and finally American style 40 channels AM/SSB.
ran a very successful net for a few years, but only on the legal
channels. Things died down, in the late 80s here. During all this
time, I was trying to get my Ham license, but kept failing to get
the required wpm in CW. Needed 12 at that time. Tried three times,
and then they came in with No-Code, and I got my Basic Licence.
Last change they made I got grandfathered in to HF
A bunch of us in the sticks used to hang out on both bands. Having 2 bands at our disposal, we were able to setup ad-hoc links manually (speaker to microphone!), and cover quite a wide area. Took a little thinking who had to transmit on which band for the links to work (UHF simplex and 27 MHz SSB), but it was quite effective for linking wide areas without a traditional repeater.
I suspect most politicians never made use of what they had (if any) in
the first place. :)
Probably right. I`m sure you`ve heard of the fiasco here in Ontario
with our
Hydro, carbon taxes, etc.. Then she thinks that cutting the PST (a
measly 8%)
off the hydro bills will placate people.
Re: Re: Wannbe HAM
By: Tony Langdon to Joe Delahaye on Fri Sep 16 2016 18:41:00
then they gave us Side Band. A lot of us stayed on USB, and of
course some of us just happened to get into the lower end of 10
meter <G>. I
Here, they gave us UHF, then 18 channels of AM/SSB with a unique band
plan, and finally American style 40 channels AM/SSB.
Originally it was 23 channels. When the 40 channel sets came in, it
became
illegal to sell the older sets. Not sure why.
ran a very successful net for a few years, but only on the legal
channels. Things died down, in the late 80s here. During all this
time, I was trying to get my Ham license, but kept failing to get
the required wpm in CW. Needed 12 at that time. Tried three times,
and then they came in with No-Code, and I got my Basic Licence.
Last change they made I got grandfathered in to HF
A bunch of us in the sticks used to hang out on both bands. Having 2bands
at our disposal, we were able to setup ad-hoc links manually (speakerto
microphone!), and cover quite a wide area. Took a little thinking whohad
to transmit on which band for the links to work (UHF simplex and 27 MHz
SSB), but it was quite effective for linking wide areas without a
traditional repeater.
Igineuity <G> We used to practice CW on Sideband <G>
--- SBBSecho 3.00-Win32
* Origin: The Lions Den BBS, Trenton, On, CDN (1:249/303)
mark lewis wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
None of the people I deal with have them or ever talk about them. Even when I mention HAM they say, "but I have my cell phone for that." :-)
you should ask them how they're gonna talk to anyone at a distance
after a natural disaster shuts down the cell networks... for that
matter, ask those with VoIP phones how they're gonna call their ISP to report problems or outtage when their network connection isn't working
;) ;) ;)
Tony Langdon wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
LOL - thx for the history! Seriously! I enjoy reading that stuff, espescially from someone involved. :-)
You're welcome. :-)
I was specficially intersted in the 'business use' part. Here in
the US, part of the HAM rules are that it is NOT for business use
in any shape or form.
I was talking about CB, business use is permitted on CB.
Tony Langdon wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Hmm... Good idea! Thanks!
I have an HF rig but don't have it hooked up yet.
Yep, worth throwing up some sort of antenna. :)
Bob Seaborn wrote to Joe Delahaye <=-
Originally it was 23 channels. When the 40 channel sets came in, it
became
illegal to sell the older sets. Not sure why.
Bob Seaborn wrote to Joe Delahaye <=-
Originally it was 23 channels. When the 40 channel sets came in, it
became
illegal to sell the older sets. Not sure why.
Really? Wow! I remember when I was a kid that 23 channel CB radios were
'the thing' - then 40 channel came out. You might be talking to someone
who couldn't move to channel 30 32 etc. Never thought about it being 'illegal' though.
Probably right. I`m sure you`ve heard of the fiasco here in Ontario
with our
Hydro, carbon taxes, etc.. Then she thinks that cutting the PST (a
measly 8%)
off the hydro bills will placate people.
No, I hadn't heard that. I guess we'e lucky out here, no form of 'carbon' tax, and only 5% pst.
Kent Timm wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
I have thought seriously about adding a CB for when I'm on the road,
etc.
Do people still use them at all? Or just truckers?
Truckers still use them, but it's not like the 70s or 80s when it was busy. I do have a CB in my car on a quick release mount so mainly it's just in when I get on the highway or the mood strikes me to take it.
If the band is open you hear quite a bit of DXing going on, and a lot
of nonsence, but it can't be fun to listen to at times, and some times just... bad... channel 6 and 11 seem to be the most used on AM, and
LSB on 38 for DX.
Most of mine for that price would be highly automated. I'm not a contester, I like building infrastructure. :)
Re: Wannbe HAM
By: Bob Seaborn to Joe Delahaye on Fri Sep 16 2016 10:43:00
Probably right. I`m sure you`ve heard of the fiasco here in Ontario
with our
Hydro, carbon taxes, etc.. Then she thinks that cutting the PST (a
measly 8%)
off the hydro bills will placate people.
No, I hadn't heard that. I guess we'e lucky out here, no form of'carbon'
tax, and only 5% pst.
The Feds are talking about a Carbon tax as well.
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Here, they gave us UHF, then 18 channels of AM/SSB with a unique band plan, and finally American style 40 channels AM/SSB.
Originally it was 23 channels. When the 40 channel sets came in, it became illegal to sell the older sets. Not sure why.
A bunch of us in the sticks used to hang out on both bands. Having 2 bands at our disposal, we were able to setup ad-hoc links manually (speaker to microphone!), and cover quite a wide area. Took a little thinking who had to transmit on which band for the links to work (UHF simplex and 27 MHz SSB), but it was quite effective for linking wide areas without a traditional repeater.
Igineuity <G> We used to practice CW on Sideband <G>
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
I was talking about CB, business use is permitted on CB.
Ah - thought you meant Amateur Radio. Is there anything NOT permitted
on CB? :-)
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
Yep, worth throwing up some sort of antenna. :)
I have a hand me down homemade antenna too, but I need
a power supply and the 'get it done' to mount it all. :-)
Want to do it, of course, but not high enough on the priority
list to have already done it. ;-)
I do have my mobile installed but still need to install my
wife's mobile and her siren.
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
I've heard of people just doing the contest stuff, and I might get
there someday, but right now I just want to communicate. :-)
... I AM IMMORTAL! Well, so far anyway...
Originally it was 23 channels. When the 40 channel sets came in, it
Actually, originally it was 19 in Canada channels, 1, 2, 3, & 23 were not permitted for the first few years.
Originally it was 23 channels. When the 40 channel sets came in, it
became illegal to sell the older sets. Not sure why.
Really? Wow! I remember when I was a kid that 23 channel CB radios were 'the thing' - then 40 channel came out. You might be talking to someone who couldn't move to channel 30 32 etc. Never thought about it being 'illegal' though.
The Feds are talking about a Carbon tax as well.
Oh, brilliant! <sarcasm>
Guess it's all our fault here in VE5 country for not voting liberal in the last federal election. :(
was actually the 11 metre ham band, and older gear like the Yaesu
FT-101 series came with it fitted.
Bob Seaborn wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Originally it was 23 channels. When the 40 channel sets came in, it
became
illegal to sell the older sets. Not sure why.
Really? Wow! I remember when I was a kid that 23 channel CB radios were
'the thing' - then 40 channel came out. You might be talking to someone
who couldn't move to channel 30 32 etc. Never thought about it being 'illegal' though.
This would be better asked of Joe. As I recall, there were few 23
channel sets commonly available, and when 40 chan models came, nobody wanted to pay for a 23 channel set when they could get a 40 for about
the same price. At the time, I was working for an electronics shop in Ontario, and we did sell CB's.
Tony Langdon wrote to Joe Delahaye <=-
Australia had this unique 18 channel setup. It only lasted a couple of years though, before we went 40 channels. 2 of the old channels
weren't in the 40 channels, so people would hide away on "Aussie 3" or "Aussie 7", away from everyone else, as only the old 18 channel sets
could go there.
Tony Langdon wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Ah - thought you meant Amateur Radio. Is there anything NOT permitted
on CB? :-)
In theory, music is not permitted, though that doesn't stop some
people.
Tony Langdon wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
I do have my mobile installed but still need to install my
wife's mobile and her siren.
Siren? :)
Tony Langdon wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
I've heard of people just doing the contest stuff, and I might get
there someday, but right now I just want to communicate. :-)
I've tried contesting. It's not my thing, though I have done well at
it at times. I agree, communication is more fun. :)
Joe Delahaye wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
If you owned one, you could continue to use it, and obviously they were sold privately. Back then you also needed a license to operate a CB.
Kent Timm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Most HF radios can get on 11 meters. It's usually just a jump to change
in side
and you get everything. I've had a number of HF radios now, all
bought used and only once wasn't modded to running on 11m. I Just
can't seen using a nice Yaesu as a CB even though I could if i dialed
in the channels. Much simpler to turn on my Cobra 135xlr:)
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
weren't in the 40 channels, so people would hide away on "Aussie 3" or "Aussie 7", away from everyone else, as only the old 18 channel sets
could go there.
Kind of an elite thing. :-)
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
In theory, music is not permitted, though that doesn't stop some
people.
Didn't stop us back in the day... Used to sit around and jam and
broadcast it. I was a kid and didn't know better, of course. :-)
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
Siren? :)
She's a school teacher by day - volunteer fire fighter and
first responder all other times (and part time EMT).
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
I am having fun commicating on 2m/440 as well! To some of the old
timers it's just same old same old, but I'm having fun. :-)
Joe Delahaye wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
If you owned one, you could continue to use it, and obviously they were sold privately. Back then you also needed a license to operate a CB.
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to BOB SEABORN <=-
I seem to remember 23 channel being popular for quite a while before 40 channel units came out, but my dad was an early adopter of things that
he 'got into.' :-)
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to JOE DELAHAYE <=-
I remember having a license, but I thought it was voluntary. The whole point of "citizen's band" was it was open for citizens to use - no
license needed.
At least that's the way I remember it, but I was a kid at the time. :-)
I *THINK* we were WKY-409, but I woudn't swear to it...
Just did a google - apparently there are other people that would like
to know their old CB license. :-)
Tony Langdon wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
In theory, music is not permitted, though that doesn't stop some
people.
Didn't stop us back in the day... Used to sit around and jam and
broadcast it. I was a kid and didn't know better, of course. :-)
Yeah, what was law and what was practice were often different things.
:)
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Tony Langdon wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
Siren? :)
She's a school teacher by day - volunteer fire fighter and
first responder all other times (and part time EMT).
Different road laws I suspect. Here, private vehicles are not allowed
to have lights and sirens. Only those which are part of an emergency service are allowed to be fitted with and use the flashing lights and sirens. And our DMOs (the mechanics employed by the fire service) look after those.
Tony Langdon wrote to Joe Delahaye <=-
The latest round of obsolescence occurs when the 40 channel UHF spec sunsets in 2017, leaving only 80 channel radios legal for use on the
UHF CB band, but I suspect we'll see old gems like the Philips FM-320
on air for many years to come. :)
Tony Langdon wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to JOE DELAHAYE <=-
I remember having a license, but I thought it was voluntary. The whole point of "citizen's band" was it was open for citizens to use - no
license needed.
Licences were compulsory in Australia, but it was a simple matter of filling in the paperwork and paying the fee. No other qualifications
or documentation needed. That was the "Citizens" part of "Citizens
Band" - anyone could get a licence by simply paying the fee.
I *THINK* we were WKY-409, but I woudn't swear to it...
My official CB callsign was VGE610. :)
Just did a google - apparently there are other people that would like
to know their old CB license. :-)
I still remember mine (see above). :)
was actually the 11 metre ham band, and older gear like the Yaesu
FT-101 series came with it fitted.
Most HF radios can get on 11 meters. It's usually just a jump to change in side and you get everything. I've had a number of HF radios now, all bought used and only once wasn't modded to running on 11m. I Just can't seen using a nice Yaesu as a CB even though I could if i dialed in the channels. Much simpler to turn on my Cobra 135xlr:)
I do have my mobile installed but still need to install my
wife's mobile and her siren.
Siren? :)
She's a school teacher by day - volunteer fire fighter and
first responder all other times (and part time EMT).
A lot of 23 channel CBs found their way down here too. Technically illegal I think, but once the 40 channel band plan was adopted, authorities pretty much turned a blind eye, as they were operating within specs on the 23 channels they were capable of. The 18 channel sets were officially phased out within a few years, but remained on air for many years afterwards. Probably some still out in the wild now. :)
The latest round of obsolescence occurs when the 40 channel UHF spec sunsets in 2017, leaving only 80 channel radios legal for use on the UHF CB band, but I suspect we'll see old gems like the Philips FM-320 on air for many years to come. :)
And we also needed a licence in Australia to operate a CB until 1994. I did have a licence, two actually - one for UHF, one for 27 MHz. We were supposed to licence each individual radio, though I went with one per band, since I had at least one radio on each band. For most of thoe years, I had at least 2 CBs on each band. All licences held by the one person generally had the same callsign, so it was hard to tell.
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
Yeah, what was law and what was practice were often different things.
:)
Still that way... One of my sons likes to say, "it's not breaking the
law unless you are caught." <sigh> NOT the way we raised him...
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LOL - nice one!
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
I'm not sure if a private vehicle is allowed to unless it's part of a service. Yes, it is privately owned, but she's a member of the
'services.' Even has an E tag (emergency) becasue of her medical
license. Before that she had an F tag (Fire).
The rule here is you are still supposed to obey traffic laws (stop
signs, speed, etc.) and you can't run lights unless you have a siren as well. Technically you can be stopped for speeding, but I've never heard
of it happening. As long as you aren't wreckless and you are responding
to a call, you're considered (in practice - see previous message) to be
a part of the responding public service.
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
Here in the US it's still 40 channel CB's sold in truck stops, etc. I assume that's a local thing?
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
Now that part is the same - people that did get a license just paid the fee here and it was done. No test, etc.
My wife remembers her dad's too, back in the day.
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
I imagine much the same happened here. I gave my set to my son in law,
as he was a trucker. I dont think they have radios in their trucks any more, at least not the company he drives for. <G> Not allowed to talk
and drive at same time
Not sure what the new public radio service is called these days, but it uses a different spectrun I believe
Cant remember what mine was , and yes, actually legally needed one for each set. I had one and my wife had one. I used mine for both mobile
and station.
Joe Delahaye wrote to Kent Timm <=-
Not so sure about that. That's not even thinking about the fact that
it would be illegal to run that radio on 11 meters <G>, just like it is illegal to run your Cobra on 10 meters. I know, that doesnt stop some.
Joe Delahaye wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
No siren allowed on other then official vehicles here. Volunteer FF
have a flashing blue light, and special plates/tags on their vehicles, but, they must still adhere to all rules of the road, including stop lights
Kent Timm wrote to Joe Delahaye <=-
I believe it would be legal to use a CB modified to run on 10 meters. After all, ham radio is about expermenting and actually building radios
if one were so inclinded.
I wasn't addressing the legal aspect of anything, just the techinal ability to
do it. Sure some body could put a HF rig on the CB band, and turn the power down to 4 watts and nobody would know it wasn't a CB, but that
not what people do that for, they use HF rigs because they can put out lots of power with no amp needs, illegal yes, but it's doable.
But a CB on ham bands as long as it was done and used body somebody
with the proper class license (Advanced class in Canada) it would be
ok, just not a whole lot of power...
Bob Seaborn wrote to Joe Delahaye <=-
What about vehicle alarm systems? Fo years I've had one, and every one included a siren, either mechanical or electronic.
Joe Delahaye wrote to Kent Timm <=-
It was not, and still is not, legal to modify a CB, as it was not type certified for anything other then what it was built for. Yes, Ham
Radio is about experimenting, but that is not part of it unfortunately.
Tony Langdon wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Sadly, a lot of people think like that. Admitedly, sometimes, the law _is_ an ass, but most of the time, it makes sense.
Tony Langdon wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
The rule here is you are still supposed to obey traffic laws (stop
signs, speed, etc.) and you can't run lights unless you have a siren as well. Technically you can be stopped for speeding, but I've never heard
of it happening. As long as you aren't wreckless and you are responding
to a call, you're considered (in practice - see previous message) to be
a part of the responding public service.
Here, the police are strict on road rules. Even if one is on the way
to the station to handle a call, all road rules must be obeyed. It's
only when we've got in one of the fire truchs or support car that we
can put lights and sirens on and judiciously break some laws "if it is safe and reasonable to do so". Even then, both standing orders and road law itself still set strong limits.
Tony Langdon wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
Here in the US it's still 40 channel CB's sold in truck stops, etc. I assume that's a local thing?
Yes, UHF CB was one of those uniquely Aussie things. Other countries
now have UHF CB or similar, but ours is still very unique - we have repeaters, for one thing. :)
Tony Langdon wrote to Joe Delahaye <=-
Not sure what the new public radio service is called these days, but it uses a different spectrun I believe
You have a new service over there?
Tony Langdon wrote to Kent Timm <=-
Yes, technically it can be done, legally no. It would be nice if there was a HF ham rig with legal CB transmit capabilities. That would
require automatic reduction of power to 4(AM)/12(SSB)W, entering a channelised mode, only allowing AM or SSB mode, and not allowing XIT functions, or any others (e.g. repeater offset, split, etc) that change the Tx frequency. Such a radio in a mobile form factor would allow me
to run 27 MHz in the car, since it could use the same autotuner and antenna (which is actually a 9' CB whip) as the ham bands. These days,
it would be trivial to include legal CB capabilities in a ham rig. I
for one would find this a handy feature, especially in the car (one
less box to install). Currently, I don't run 27 MHz at all, mainly because I've run out of places to install the antenna, even though I
have antennas that _could_ run 27 MHz, if the radio would do it
(legally).
Tony Langdon wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
Here in the US it's still 40 channel CB's sold in truck stops, etc. I
assume that's a local thing?
Yes, UHF CB was one of those uniquely Aussie things. Other countries
now have UHF CB or similar, but ours is still very unique - we have
repeaters, for one thing. :)
Repeaters for CB! WOW!
Here, the police are strict on road rules. Even if one is on the way to the station to handle a call, all road rules must be obeyed. It's only when we've got in one of the fire truchs or support car that we can put lights and sirens on and judiciously break some laws "if it is safe and reasonable to do so". Even then, both standing orders and road law itself still set strong limits.
A lot of truck drivers here still use CB.
Not sure what the new public radio service is called these days, but
it uses a different spectrun I believe
You have a new service over there?
for each set. I had one and my wife had one. I used mine for both
mobile and station.
I suspect that was a very common practice. :)
It's not illegal to run the Cobra on 10 metres if you and whoever you're talking to have a ham licence. :)
No siren allowed on other then official vehicles here. Volunteer FF
have a flashing blue light, and special plates/tags on their
vehicles, but, they must still adhere to all rules of the road,
including stop lights
We're not even allowed to have the lights on private vehicles. Strictly stock road conditions there.
It was not, and still is not, legal to modify a CB, as it was not
type certified for anything other then what it was built for. Yes,
Ham Radio is about experimenting, but that is not part of it
unfortunately.
I would be very surprised about this. Modding CBs for 10m was a popular way to enter the hobby once upon a time. I was led to believe US type approval was for gear that was _sold_ as ham gear, but hams could build or modify anything they wanted to, provided they met the technical specs. And a modded CB is fair game.
I would be _very_ surprised if a modded CB was illegal to use on the ham bands, with the possible exception of UK and Aussie Foundation licensees - who certainly couldn't modify one legally, and probably not use one someone else modded either.
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
Agreed. I've found it's usually individual 'law' people that are the
jerks and push, etc. - NOT the department or the 'laws on the books.'
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
Wow - interesting. I'm sure they have their reasons, but time is lives,
in some cases...
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
I just learned last week about MURS - it's a 1 watt maximum, I believe, family type walkie style service. No license needed.
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
Repeaters for CB! WOW!
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
That WOULD be ideal - as I've said in this echo, I've thought about getting a CB, but not sure if it would see any use. If it was PART of
my current rig though... :-)
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Much the same here. The only vehicles that can legally go thru a stop sign, or Red light, is a funeral procession. Then again, that is
usually accompanied by at least a police cruiser in front.
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
You have a new service over there?
Yes, have had for several years now (more then 5 that I remember <G>).
I dont remember what band it uses, but it is very low power.
I suspect that was a very common practice. :)
Yup, that it was :)
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
It is here, since the Cobra is not type approved for 10 meters <G>
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
It has only been in the last 10 years or so, that the green (not blue) lights were allowed for Volunteer Fire Fighters. They also have
special plates or emblems on their vehicles.
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Well be prepared to be surprised then. Modding a CB IS illegal here, although it likely still is done. You can only go to the very low end
of 10 meters if Iremember correctly, and some of that is out of band
for both 27 Mhz and 10 Meters
Much the same here. The only vehicles that can legally go thru a
stop sign, or Red light, is a funeral procession. Then again, that
is usually accompanied by at least a police cruiser in front.
I doubt that is an exception here either. I recall being stuck behind a red light in a funeral procession on some occasions. The obviuous exception is if there's a police officer on traffic duty, which overrides the lights.
Yes, have had for several years now (more then 5 that I remember
<G>). I dont remember what band it uses, but it is very low power.
Interesting. Here, the way forward seems to be for existing services to evolve where possible. Our UHF CB service has certainly evolved to move with the times. :)
I suspect that was a very common practice. :)
Yup, that it was :)
Yeah, as I said before, I used to do the same, though went for one licence on each band, just in case the RIs had ready access to a database, but I was running multiple radios on each band. :)
Here, the modified Cobra would be fine on 10 metres, or even 12 metres, if someone wants a more adventurous mod. :) What is not legal is using a ham rig on the CB band (even if running within the technical specs, frequency and power wise), or on the 4WD club/RFDS HF frequencies, which require a commercial HF radio like a Codan or Barrett (and again, these radios can also be used on ham bands, anmd some ham 4WD enthusiasts do this).
It has only been in the last 10 years or so, that the green (not
blue) lights were allowed for Volunteer Fire Fighters. They also
have special plates or emblems on their vehicles.
I don't see that happening here. It is more likely that stations in areas affected by congestion simply become "integrated", with the addition of a small core of career firefighters to speed up first response, with volunteers crewing the second truck.
here, although it likely still is done. You can only go to the very
low end of 10 meters if Iremember correctly, and some of that is out
of band for both 27 Mhz and 10 Meters
Hmm, if it's not 10m, it's out of band (and illegal). Can't be both! Anyway, you have strange rules!
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
Wow - interesting. I'm sure they have their reasons, but time is lives,
in some cases...
Road law has been historically strict here. We led the world in areas
like
seat belt laws (1970s), drink driving, etc. Speed limits are very
strictly
enforced. And there has been some success, with a statewide road toll
going
from around 1100 deaths/year to under 300 these days, with zero being
the
ultimate goal. A combination of law changes, enforcement, improvements
on
vehicle safety and cultural change are among the factors.
So, the government and police are unapologetic, with good reason.
Even when in emergency vehicles, SOPs require the use of discretion. Dispatch
sends an indication of whether lights and sirens are warranted in the original
page, and drivers/OICs also have to use discretion, and "downgrade" at
the
first opportunity, if the situation allows it.
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Here, the police are strict on road rules. Even if one is on the way
to the station to handle a call, all road rules must be obeyed. It's
only when we've got in one of the fire truchs or support car that we
can put lights and sirens on and judiciously break some laws "if it
is safe and reasonable to do so". Even then, both standing orders and
road law itself still set strong limits.
Much the same here. The only vehicles that can legally go thru a stop sign, or Red light, is a funeral procession. Then again, that is
usually accompanied by at least a police cruiser in front.
18 Sep 16 15:58, you wrote to Tony Langdon:
Here, the police are strict on road rules. Even
if one is on the way
to the station to handle a call, all road rules
must be obeyed. It's
only when we've got in one of the fire truchs or
support car that we
can put lights and sirens on and judiciously break some laws "if it
is safe and reasonable to do so". Even then,
both standing orders and
road law itself still set strong limits.
Much the same here. The only vehicles that can
legally go thru a stop
sign, or Red light, is a funeral procession. Then again, that is
usually accompanied by at least a police cruiser in front.
check your laws closely... there may be a ""loop hole"" in that as long as you stop at a red light, does the law say that you
*must* sit there until it turns red... most/all
jurisdictions i've been in do not state that you
*must* wait in the green... only that you must stop...
i've beaten "red light tickets" with that argument
several times in the past ;) ;) ;)
on the flashing lights... i'm fixing to get a light
bar fitted that gives me yellow and white flashing and
alternating... can also get green in addition or as
one or the other... this because of being on
construction sites with heavy equipment running
around... we already wear white hats and neon yellow
safety vests ;)
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Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
The lead car (with the deceased), and the follow up (with the family)
have purple flashing lights. The rest have purple flags. If there is
a police cruiser, he or she, usually stops at the intersection with
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
CB is still around. I think the new service is called something like Family Radio Service. Dont quote me on that though :)
And then there were those who ran with no license <G>
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
I'm being questioned on this, elsewhere, but, I was taught right from
the beginning that we could not do that. We did have modified
commercial equipment where you could just put in several crystals and operate legally. I had one of those.
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
That privilege was given to them, to give them some visibility if they responded coming from jobs, or home. Some are part time FF, and do
spend time at the station of course.
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
More years ago then I care to remember, I had a modified CB. It was a Palomar.It hit to top portion of the 11 meter band, and the bottom bit
of frequency of the 10 meter band. I did not do the mod myself, and I dont remember if it could easily be moded to full 10 meter or not.
Bob Seaborn wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Seat belts were required by law to be installed in 1968 model cars in Canada/US. I know, I was forced to pay extra for them when I purcased
a new 1968 camaro in spring 1968. This was some years before it became law that they must actually be used when the car is moving, though.
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
I'm being questioned on this, elsewhere, but, I was taught right from
the beginning that we could not do that. We did have modified
commercial equipment where you could just put in several crystals and
operate legally. I had one of those.
Well, it doesn't logically make sense for a ham not to be able to modify
a CB
for use legally on 10 metres, especially when they can legally build an identical radio from scratch and use that.
Bob Seaborn wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Seat belts were required by law to be installed in 1968 model cars in
Canada/US. I know, I was forced to pay extra for them when I purcased
a new 1968 camaro in spring 1968. This was some years before it became
law that they must actually be used when the car is moving, though.
Yes, I'm referring to when the law required people to wear seatbelts.
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
I am having fun commicating on 2m/440 as well! To some of the old
timers it's just same old same old, but I'm having fun. :-)
Nothing wrong with a good ragchew! ;)
I believe Basic with Honours also qualifies to use the band.
Bob Seaborn wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Or convert existing commercial two-way radios to amateur frequencies
and use, something still done today usually for repurposing repeaters.
Kent Timm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Your lucky.. 2m/440 is just dead around here except for some repeater
nets and those don't get much activity either. in fact I sold my Yaesu ft2900R last spring because I just go frustraited with the band (and a couple old jerks that
spioled it too..
Kent Timm wrote to Bob Seaborn <=-
Yes, but to use a CB modded to run on 10 may need a advanced, I'll
have to look that up some time. definately need advanced to do the
mods.
really doesn't matter to me since I have the advanced:)
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
Here in the US it's still 40 channel CB's sold in truck stops, etc. I assume that's a local thing?
Yes, UHF CB was one of those uniquely Aussie things. Other countries
now have UHF CB or similar, but ours is still very unique - we have repeaters, for one thing. :)
Seat belts were required by law to be installed in 1968 model cars in Canada/US. I know, I was forced to pay extra for them when I purcased a new 1968 camaro in spring 1968. This was some years before it became law that they
must actually be used when the car is moving, though.
Much the same here. The only vehicles that can legally go thru a
stop sign, or Red light, is a funeral procession. Then again, that
is usually accompanied by at least a police cruiser in front.
check your laws closely... there may be a ""loop hole"" in that as long as you stop at a red light, does the law say that you *must* sit there until it turns red... most/all jurisdictions i've been in do not state that you *must* wait in
the green... only that you must stop... i've beaten "red light tickets" with that argument several times in the past ;) ;) ;)
on the flashing lights... i'm fixing to get a light bar fitted that gives me yellow and white flashing and alternating... can also get green in addition or as one or the other... this because of being on construction sites with heavy equipment running around... we already wear white hats and neon yellow safety vests ;)
The lead car (with the deceased), and the follow up (with the
family) have purple flashing lights. The rest have purple flags.
If there is a police cruiser, he or she, usually stops at the
intersection with
Interesting, we don't have those here.
CB is still around. I think the new service is called something
like Family Radio Service. Dont quote me on that though :)
It's interesting that some countries kept creating new services, others, like Australia simply changed an existing service to suit the times.
Well, it doesn't logically make sense for a ham not to be able to modify a CB for use legally on 10 metres, especially when they can legally build an identical radio from scratch and use that.
That privilege was given to them, to give them some visibility if
they responded coming from jobs, or home. Some are part time FF,
and do spend time at the station of course.
Here, the authorities have leant towards road safety over response time. Sure, faster response time can save lives. I guess they figure it's not worth risking more road deaths/injuries to achieve that. Different compromises in different jurisdictions. :)
Yeah, the FM end of 10m might be tough for some CBs, the lower end is usually straightforward, especially in SSB radios, where you can often change the transmit mixer crystal to get to 28 MHz.
However, once modded, that radio is no longer legal on 27 MHz, even if the original band is left intact. It's effectively a ham radio at that point. :)
Bob Seaborn wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Repeaters for CB! WOW!
Stop thinking about 11 metre CB frequencies, instead think of 450MHz
UHF ones.
The cost of an 11 metre duplexer would be horrendous, not so with a 70centimetre one, not to mention the physical size and gain of the relative antennae.
Tony Langdon wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
I now have a small "fleet" of UHF CBs - one mobile in the car, 2 5W handhelds, 2 2W handhelds and 2 200mW handhelds. The latter pre-date
the 80 channel band changes and will need to be replaced next year. As they're used for public charity events, it will be best to keep above board, and those 2 radios are showing signs of their age anyway, so natural upgrade cycles work out well anyway. :)
Kent Timm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
I am having fun commicating on 2m/440 as well! To some of the old
timers it's just same old same old, but I'm having fun. :-)
Nothing wrong with a good ragchew! ;)
Your lucky.. 2m/440 is just dead around here except for some repeater
nets and those don't get much activity either. in fact I sold my Yaesu ft2900R last spring because I just go frustraited with the band (and a couple old jerks that spioled it too..
I ALMOST bought a used 2m rig this week, but had
to keep
reminding myself what 2m was like and that I'd be better off spending
the money on my model trains.. :)
I do have a little UV5R HT that I can use if i feel like it...
Much the same here. The only vehicles that can legally go thru a
stop sign, or Red light, is a funeral procession. Then again, that
is usually accompanied by at least a police cruiser in front.
check your laws closely... there may be a ""loop hole"" in that as
long as you stop at a red light, does the law say that you *must* sit
there until it turns red... most/all jurisdictions i've been in do
not state that you *must* wait in the green... only that you must
stop... i've beaten "red light tickets" with that argument several
times in the past ;) ;) ;)
I'm pretty sure that our laws state to proceed with caution if not
safe to stop on a yellow, and to wait out a red light until it is
green. Flashing red is another matter though <G>
on the flashing lights... i'm fixing to get a light bar fitted that
gives me yellow and white flashing and alternating... can also get
green in addition or as one or the other... this because of being on
construction sites with heavy equipment running around... we already
wear white hats and neon yellow safety vests ;)
Construction and tow vehicles here have yellow flashing lights, including road maintenance crews.
Police have both blue and red, while Ambulance and Fire Trucks have
simply red
The cost of an 11 metre duplexer would be horrendous, not so with a
70centimetre one, not to mention the physical size and gain of the
relative antennae.
Yeah - guess I'm thinking of the old US CB. :-)
To have had a repeater back in the day...
I'm pretty sure that our laws state to proceed with caution if not
safe to stop on a yellow, and to wait out a red light until it is
green. Flashing red is another matter though <G>
my point was that most all the traffic laws say to "stop on red" but they do not specifically state that you must wait until the red turns green before going on...
Construction and tow vehicles here have yellow flashing lights,
including road maintenance crews.
yup... yellow and white on a lot of newer stuff...
Police have both blue and red, while Ambulance and Fire Trucks have
simply red
that's why i have to go with green, and/or yellow with white... the main thing is to be seen when on the side of the road or on a busy construction site with big loaders, haulers and diggers running around...
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Interesting, we don't have those here.
We didnt have those when my Dad died in 89, but certainly did when
Mother died in 2008. Not sure if it is a requirement, or just allowed.
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Our regulatory service pays little mind to those two services I think.
If a complaint is received that is a different matter. They were
created, rules written, and then mostly ignored.
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Some of us could. Originally I was not allowed to build frm scratch,
not use a home built. The original no-code class did not allow it.
Also there was no HF allowed for that class. When they changed the
rules again, I was grandfathered into the new rules and could do all
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Oh, they were not given carte blanche to speed or go through red lights willy nilly. It was just to give n otice to the rest of the drivers
that this vehicle was on the way to a fire, and to sort of get out of
the way if possible.
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Indeed. That is where that type approval comes into play <G> Go out
of band, and no longer type approved. Some of them could also be
turned up some in power, but not by a lot.
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
I helped with a local club's 'car parking' volunteer work at a tractor pull recently. We all used HT's on simplex. We could have done with something like that but we all own HT's anyway, and we're legal to use
the 'real' frequencies. LOL
... Taglines? We don't need no stinking Taglines!
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to BOB SEABORN <=-
The cost of an 11 metre duplexer would be horrendous, not so with a 70centimetre one, not to mention the physical size and gain of the relative antennae.
Yeah - guess I'm thinking of the old US CB. :-)
To have had a repeater back in the day...
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to KENT TIMM <=-
There have been a few other newish HAM's pop up on one of the
repeaters, so I guess I'm hitting it at a good time.
I was in my wife's truck yesterday and I don't have her mobile rig installed yet, so I popped open EchoLink on my iPhone just to see...
Went to a repeater in Alabama I had made a contact on and 'chewed' for about 30 minutes with two different people local to that area. :-)
mark lewis wrote to Joe Delahaye <=-
my point was that most all the traffic laws say to "stop on red" but
they do not specifically state that you must wait until the red turns green before going on...
Construction and tow vehicles here have yellow flashing lights, including road maintenance crews.
yup... yellow and white on a lot of newer stuff...
Police have both blue and red, while Ambulance and Fire Trucks have
simply red
that's why i have to go with green, and/or yellow with white... the
main thing is to be seen when on the side of the road or on a busy construction site with big loaders, haulers and diggers running
around...
... Remember when "drag" meant streets and car racing?
There have been a few other newish HAM's pop up on one of the
repeaters, so I guess I'm hitting it at a good time.
I was in my wife's truck yesterday and I don't have her mobile rig
installed yet, so I popped open EchoLink on my iPhone just to see...
Went to a repeater in Alabama I had made a contact on and 'chewed'
for about 30 minutes with two different people local to that area.
I'm pretty sure that our laws state to proceed with caution if not
safe to stop on a yellow, and to wait out a red light until it is
green. Flashing red is another matter though <G>
my point was that most all the traffic laws say to "stop on red" but
they do not specifically state that you must wait until the red turns
green before going on...
I understood where you were going with that. I dont know how it works
in the USA but here provincial law is key. I would assume that State
law is the same?
Construction and tow vehicles here have yellow flashing lights,
including road maintenance crews.
yup... yellow and white on a lot of newer stuff...
I've seen some white on Ambulances, but not on top. Mostly strobes on
the back and sides. From recent news video, I see the police also
have similar.
Police have both blue and red, while Ambulance and Fire Trucks have
simply red
that's why i have to go with green, and/or yellow with white... the
main thing is to be seen when on the side of the road or on a busy
construction site with big loaders, haulers and diggers running
around...
Blue is used here by snow removal crews, and yes, being visible is good
Joe Delahaye wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
The cost of an 11 metre duplexer would be horrendous, not so with a
70centimetre one, not to mention the physical size and gain of the
relative antennae.
Yeah - guess I'm thinking of the old US CB. :-)
To have had a repeater back in the day...
Would have been nice, but, they kept the power down for a reason <G>
Tony Langdon wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
I helped with a local club's 'car parking' volunteer work at a tractor pull recently. We all used HT's on simplex. We could have done with something like that but we all own HT's anyway, and we're legal to use
the 'real' frequencies. LOL
Yeah, ham radio works if everyone has a ticket. In my case, I'm often
the only licensed ham, so UHF CB is a better fit for our needs. CTCSS
or DCS work well to keep any passing signals out of our speakers. Interference is generally not a problem, because of our relatively
close distance.
... Taglines? We don't need no stinking Taglines!
Really? :P
... Elvis has left the echo.
Tony Langdon wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
There have been a few other newish HAM's pop up on one of the
repeaters, so I guess I'm hitting it at a good time.
I guess it depends where you are. 2m here is quiet, but when there is traffic it's pretty friendly, good for a ragchew. :)
I was in my wife's truck yesterday and I don't have her mobile rig installed yet, so I popped open EchoLink on my iPhone just to see...
Went to a repeater in Alabama I had made a contact on and 'chewed' for about 30 minutes with two different people local to that area. :-)
Echolink can be handy. I prefer going in on RF, but the
computer/mobile access is handy at times.
... California Driving: To change lanes, first pull out your 9mm...
Kent Timm wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
There have been a few other newish HAM's pop up on one of the
repeaters, so I guess I'm hitting it at a good time.
I don't know what happens to the new hams around here. I've been
licensed since the beginning of 2010 and every fall they have a ham
course at the local club (which I am not involved with btw) and they usually claim about 16 to 18 new hams each course, but rarely do I hear any body new on the repeaters over the years. and the ones that do
turn up don't stay active long.
Part of me wants to get a regualr VHF radio again instead of just the
HT, since I have to keep the HT in the right spot to get a good signal, but I just is hard to justity even getting a used radio when there's nothing on there to hear or talk to except a couple nets..
btw: I got my license solo. I used an old Radio Shack book "from 5
watts to 1000 watts" and some study info I found on a Toronto club's website.
I was in my wife's truck yesterday and I don't have her mobile rig
installed yet, so I popped open EchoLink on my iPhone just to see...
Went to a repeater in Alabama I had made a contact on and 'chewed'
for about 30 minutes with two different people local to that area.
I don't use echolink that much, but did something like that myself, randomly picked a repeater in London UK and put out my callsign and
talked to a guy there on his way home from work for a while.
There's
an echolink net out of Florida (southcars) I check in to from time to
time too.
Interesting, we don't have those here.
We didnt have those when my Dad died in 89, but certainly did when
Mother died in 2008. Not sure if it is a requirement, or just
allowed.
Last funeral procession I was in was around that time, never seen anything like that here.
I was always allowed to homebrew, because I did the full theory. Even though I was a Novice effectively on the HF bands, home brew transmitters were still allowed. Since then, I've been grandfathered into the current Advanced licence (highest level), because the only difference between me and the old full calls was I had 5WPM Morse, instead of 10.
Oh, they were not given carte blanche to speed or go through red
lights willy nilly. It was just to give n otice to the rest of the
drivers that this vehicle was on the way to a fire, and to sort of
get out of the way if possible.
Yeah, we don't even get that when responding to the station. But here, the bigger issue is traffic flow and lights, which would require road rule exemptions to improve on.
Indeed. That is where that type approval comes into play <G> Go
out of band, and no longer type approved. Some of them could also
be turned up some in power, but not by a lot.
Yes, but that only applies to non amateur services here. So a modded CB is no longer type approved for CB, but perfectly legal for use in any amateur band it's capable of transmitting in (by a licenced ham, of course!).
However, the use of land mobile HF radios (4WD clubs/RFDS) on the amateur bands does not voide their land mobile type approval, because this is not a mod, simply reprogramming by a dealer. In face Codan did make a HF radio that had ham VFO functionality. It was designed for the hams who travel the outback. They could have all of their remote area frequencies and the amateur bands in the one radio, and the VFO let them tune around the amateur bands freely.
Similarly, Those with a commercial frequency and appropriate radio can get amateur frequencies programmed in as well, to save installing an additional radio. Can't go the other way and use your ham radio on the commercial frequency though. There's that type approval thing again. :)
Green - proceed if safe.
Yellow - stop if it is safe to do so.
Red - Stop and wait for the light to go green.
The one exception is it is OK to break road laws if doing so would avoid a collision (with another vehicle, pedestrian or whatever). Avoiding a colision pretty much overrides anything else. You'd probably have to talk it over with the cops and maybe state your case in court, but if it's proven you took the action to avoid a collision, you should be OK.
... Remember when "drag" meant streets and car racing?
Nah it's the main street of town ("main drag" :D ). But yeah I get where the tagline was going. :)
Our regulatory service pays little mind to those two services I
think. If a complaint is received that is a different matter. They
were created, rules written, and then mostly ignored.
Ours seems to go through phases.
i really don't care if it is on top or not as long as the heavy machinery doesn't crush my vehicle and if they do i have plenty of fwarning that they should have seen ;)
Police have both blue and red, while Ambulance and Fire Trucks
have simply red
that's why i have to go with green, and/or yellow with white... the
main thing is to be seen when on the side of the road or on a busy
construction site with big loaders, haulers and diggers running
around...
Blue is used here by snow removal crews, and yes, being visible is
good
absolutely... blue is only used by gendarmes here in the lower 48 ;)
Blue is used here by snow removal crews, and yes, being visible is
good
absolutely... blue is only used by gendarmes here in the lower 48 ;)
Snow removal has ONLY blue, while gendarmes have both blue and red.
(Used to be red only but the started copying the US style about 10
years ago I think it was) In Europe it has been blue forever, and a
very distinctive siren <G>
Your lucky.. 2m/440 is just dead around here except for some repeater
nets ∞and those don't get much activity either.
you should hear the new sirens they're using and testing in various locales here... i was in Raleigh the other day and had occasion to hear them when the gendarmes came by on the way to assist the firetrucks... i can't describe the sound of them, though... they have a bass note to them and you can actually feel them when they sound... i think they call them the "rumbler"... you can hear it at 0:05, 1:16 and 1:28 in this link...
That's kinda sad. Not that there are new ones, and not that they fall
away (not every hobby is for every body, of course) but that they
boast that many new ones but most fall away. I'd rather have only
5 people pass their test each year and 3 or 4stay than 15 pass it
and only 4 or 5 stay.
HT I was only able to HEAR and SOMETIMES transmit. Now I have access
to repeaters 30 - 50 miles away as well. Maybe with a 'more than
HT' you'd have more people to talk to?
GB3LV? If so - just connected... No response yet, but I'll add it totook some looking, when I first got on the air i logged evey contact on paper using a old Radio Shask logbook I modifity and reprinted, yes, GB3LV, April 24 2010, and the contact was m0rom.
my favorites!
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
Understood. And that's kinda what MURS is for (no license needed).
... Taglines? We don't need no stinking Taglines!
Really? :P
Yep - made that one up myself back in the 90's.
... Elvis has left the echo.
Could have sworn I made that one up too, but not 100% positive...
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
I guess it depends where you are. 2m here is quiet, but when there is traffic it's pretty friendly, good for a ragchew. :)
Yeah - this has all been friendly.
Echolink can be handy. I prefer going in on RF, but the
computer/mobile access is handy at times.
Well, like in that instance, it was all I had. Figured I'd give it a
try, not get anyone, then turn it off. Turned into a 20 minute chew.
:-)
... California Driving: To change lanes, first pull out your 9mm...
LOL - love it!
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Different rules and laws in different places I suppose.
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
I dont think we ever had a 5 wpm CW here. That was an American thing. Needed 12 here. 5 wpm I could have managed <G>
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Too bad they didnt give the guys one of those controllers that turns lights green <G>
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
It has been a very long time since I even used a CB, so, as another
friend suggested, I may indeed be wrong about what I am pretty sure I
was told, but probably just mis-interpeted because of my license class
I wonder if that is available here as well. I havent kept up with the latest tech. Got a new 2 meter a while ago since mine bit the dust
after a lightning strike nearby. It acually didnt hit the radio, but rather the PS which fried the radio when I turned it on :( Insurance
paid for both. -
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
I was forced thru a red light once. Cop behind me with lights
flashing. I didnt know where to go, and he had space to pass me.
Waved me thru the light, when safe of course.
Back in the day, 'cruisin the drag' was a weekend thing. I dont think
the young people do that any more <G>
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
When things are slow <G>
Richard Menedetter wrote to Kent Timm <=-
Your lucky.. 2m/440 is just dead around here except for some repeater
nets ∞and those don't get much activity either.
Interesting ... it is quit active here in Austria!
Your lucky.. 2m/440 is just dead around here except for some
repeater nets ²and those don't get much activity either.
Interesting ... it is quit active here in Austria!Probably higher population density where you are. :)
Richard Menedetter wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Definitely ;)
Joe Delahaye wrote to mark lewis <=-
absolutely... blue is only used by gendarmes here in the lower 48 ;)
Snow removal has ONLY blue, while gendarmes have both blue and red.
(Used to be red only but the started copying the US style about 10
years ago I think it was) In Europe it has been blue forever, and a
very distinctive siren <G> --- SBBSecho 3.00-Win32
Kent Timm wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
I can only think of a couple people that got licensed recently that around, one is a horrible operator, he'll key up and talk over people
on nets if he wants to talk and always runs high power so he just step
on anybody that isn't. He inturpted me once while I was using the echolink on one repeater to connect to the southcars net, and told the
net controller (who had nothing to do with the link being up) to get
off the repeater because there was another net coming on in a bit.
HT I was only able to HEAR and SOMETIMES transmit. Now I have access
to repeaters 30 - 50 miles away as well. Maybe with a 'more than
HT' you'd have more people to talk to?
When I have a regular radio, I use to get good range, I'm on the 8th
floor in an apartment and use a home made groud plane on 2m. I use to
get in to a repeater about 50 miles away til they lost access to the
tower they were using and had to move the repeater. There's a couple other out of town repeaters I could hit, but they were small towns and pretty quiet too.
GB3LV? If so - just connected... No response yet, but I'll add it to
my favorites!
took some looking, when I first got on the air i logged evey contact on paper using a old Radio Shask logbook I modifity and reprinted, yes, GB3LV, April 24 2010, and the contact was m0rom.
Tony Langdon wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
Understood. And that's kinda what MURS is for (no license needed).
So why the multiple public radio services? FRS vs MURS, what's the difference?
Tony Langdon wrote to Joe Delahaye <=-
Back in the day, 'cruisin the drag' was a weekend thing. I dont think
the young people do that any more <G>
Yeah, not done so much now I think.
I dont think we ever had a 5 wpm CW here. That was an American
thing. Needed 12 here. 5 wpm I could have managed <G>
I'm in VK. :) We had 5 and 10 WPM CW exams. But ours were also quite strict, had to be near perfect copy over 5 minutes, and pens down as soon as the test time ended.
Too bad they didnt give the guys one of those controllers that turns
lights green <G>
Haha that would be open to abuse! :D
I was forced thru a red light once. Cop behind me with lights
flashing. I didnt know where to go, and he had space to pass me.
Waved me thru the light, when safe of course.
Yeah, under direction of the cops is usually fine too. :)
Back in the day, 'cruisin the drag' was a weekend thing. I dont
think the young people do that any more <G>
Yeah, not done so much now I think.
absolutely... blue is only used by gendarmes here in the lower 48 ;)
Snow removal has ONLY blue, while gendarmes have both blue and red.
(Used to be red only but the started copying the US style about 10
years ago I think it was) In Europe it has been blue forever, and a
very distinctive siren <G> --- SBBSecho 3.00-Win32
Okay - that's twice I've seen that word. Had to google it. :-)
Back in the day, 'cruisin the drag' was a weekend thing. I dont
think the young people do that any more <G>
Yeah, not done so much now I think.
They still 'hang out,' just not so much cruising any more. :-)
Different generation...
absolutely... blue is only used by gendarmes here in the lower 48 ;)
Snow removal has ONLY blue, while gendarmes have both blue and red.
(Used to be red only but the started copying the US style about 10
years ago I think it was) In Europe it has been blue forever, and a
very distinctive siren <G>
Okay - that's twice I've seen that word. Had to google it. :-)
You run into people like that everywhere. Soudns like a bully.Yes, kind of a throwback to 1980's CB dayz during the fall of the band..
There's one here - the main one for the area - that is VERY tall andThere's half a dozen repeaters in London, the "main" one has quiet a range, I think it's 600 feet up on the local TV station's tower, I have clear line of sight to it from where I sit right now. I've got it to in from my car on an China HT and a magmount 1/4wave 30 miles out and can still trip it at 40 but to weak to really talk.
is used by a lot of people. The 2nd most active is another VERY tall
one and is close enought to the Mississippi River to get traffic
from Arkansas. But then there are a TON on Repeater Book in these
little towns that I never hear ANY traffic on.
Actually I'm at work right now - working on four laptops at once -nope, I haven't used it in ages, but now that I'm thinking about it I should give it a go next time I'm messing around with echolink just to see what happens. I don't usualy monitor the repeaters any more, unless I want to cycle the battery in the HT.. If I get regualar radio again I'd probably keep it on, but maybe monitor 146.520 instead of the repeater.. or scan.
let's see what I can hear...
Oh - just re-read what you said. That's not one you use NOW? Was
looking for ne I could make a contact with YOU. :-)
What's the details on the SOUTHERNS thing you mentioned?
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
Good question. Probably just different segments of the allowable bands. Perhaps came 'online' at different times.
fcc.gov lists the channels and such and also talks about radios being marketted for use in FRS, GMRS, etc. Maybe it's a money making thing?
:-)
... This message uses 100% recycled electrons
JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-
They still 'hang out,' just not so much cruising any more. :-)
Different generation...
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Yeah, same here. Unlike the American tests, you could not go over the test and fill in the blanks you missed (IIRC)
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Too bad they didnt give the guys one of those controllers that turns
lights green <G>
Haha that would be open to abuse! :D
Always. There would always be somebody that would abuse the privilege
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Unless he is going to the donut shop <G>
Back in the day you could see all the souped up vehicles. They still
do that, but a lot of that mostly in the big cities and they do street racing. Get caught, and you lose not only your license, but the
vehicle, and a huge fine
Joe Delahaye wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Plus the price of gas <G>
Kent Timm wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Just occured to me, we for start a echolink net of the people on this echo.. and call it the FidoNet... LOL oh I had to say it LOL
I'm in VK. :) We had 5 and 10 WPM CW exams. But ours were also quite strict, had to be near perfect copy over 5 minutes, and pens down as
soon as the test time ended.
Too bad they didnt give the guys one of those controllers that turns lights green <G>
Daryl Stout wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
The worst words I ever heard in school:
STOP!! PUT YOUR PENCIL DOWN!!
<begin cussing under your breath>
Too bad they didnt give the guys one of those controllers that
turns lights green <G>
Haha that would be open to abuse! :D
Always. There would always be somebody that would abuse the
privilege
I can see it being traffic chaos. :)
Back in the day you could see all the souped up vehicles. They
still do that, but a lot of that mostly in the big cities and they
do street racing. Get caught, and you lose not only your license,
but the vehicle, and a huge fine
Happens here too. Some don't even make it to the illegal races. The cops often find them unroadworthy and issue defect notices on the spot.
Too bad they didnt give the guys one of those controllers that turns lights green <G>
The closest thing to that are on some emergency vehicles, like the
fire department and ambulance vehicles. Even the Batallion Chief's Car
has one.
We used to joke that "they turned the sirens on if they were late for
a meal or a shift change". <G>
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
They would really have to abuse it to get that far. Usually only used
to get through a red light and gone again.
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
The law here gives the cops a lot of discretion. Go over a certain
speed limit, and you can be charged with street racing, even if you are not technically racing <G>. They caught a guy from Florida here
several years ago.
They would really have to abuse it to get that far. Usually only
used to get through a red light and gone again.
It would depend on just how many were out in the wild. :)
Here, we have what have been dubbed "hoon laws", which cover a range of behaviours from burnouts to excessive speed. In the case of speed, this law kicks in at 30 km/h over the speed limit, automatic confiscation of the vehicle, For a first offence, 30 days (and you have to pay a hefty fee to get it back), can't remember if it's a second or third offence that they lose the car for good. There are also significant fines and demerit points or loss of licence for a period of time. Basically, ridiculous speed will land you in some serious hot water. And it doesn't matter who is the actually owner of the car. If you were driving it, it's impounded. So if it was a teenager taking Dad's car for a spin, there's another lot of hot water when he gets home.
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Probably extremely hard to get. Of course some experimenter would find the freq, and build one <G>
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
A lot of the same ideas as here, and likely in many places. I dont
know how it would affect the driver's license of someone from another province, or country.
As for Junior taking Dad's car, I guess Dad would have to report the
car stolen <G>
Snow removal has ONLY blue, while gendarmes have both blue and red.
Okay - that's twice I've seen that word. Had to google it. :-)
Gendarmes?
French Police
I was forced thru a red light once. Cop behind me with lights
flashing. I didnt know where to go, and he had space to pass me.
Waved me thru the light, when safe of course.
Yeah, under direction of the cops is usually fine too. :)
Unless he is going to the donut shop <G>
Just occured to me, we for start a echolink net of the people on this echo.. and call it the FidoNet... LOL oh I had to say it LOL
Just occured to me, we for start a echolink net of the people on this echo.. and call it the FidoNet... LOL oh I had to say it LOL
LOL why not? ;) I run one of the main IRLP/Echolink reflectors, pick a time and I'm happy to host it, all IRLP and Echolink users welcome. :)
Daryl Stout wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
I'd be glad to add that to the Echolink Nets page that I have, at http://www.wx1der.com/elk.htm
Probably extremely hard to get. Of course some experimenter would
find the freq, and build one <G>
If they were properly done, they'd use encryption, so homebrewing a controller wouldn't work (unless you stole a key). :) But as we know in the real world, there's usually shortcuts taken, or systems are dated and volnerable, and a homebrew controller would work.
A lot of the same ideas as here, and likely in many places. I dont
know how it would affect the driver's license of someone from
another province, or country.
There's a lot of information shared between states, so offences committed in a different state would still have an impact, and if someone's licence was cancelled or suspended in another state, they can't drive anywhere in the country. Not sure how it works with foreign drivers though.
As for Junior taking Dad's car, I guess Dad would have to report the
car stolen <G>
Junior could have borrowed it for a trip to the shops or whatever (all above board), then hooked up with his ratbag mates and had a street drag, busted by the cops, etc... :) Certainly happens, seen examples on "Highway Patrol" (a reality TV show about our highway cops at work).
Okay - that's twice I've seen that word. Had to google it. :-)
Gendarmes?
French Police
I'd turn it around and say, Police in french.
Or, french for police.
Unless he is going to the donut shop <G>
Reminds me of a license exam session I was part of years ago, and
every examinee walked out with a Certificate Of Successful Completion
Of Examination (CSCE) for a new or upgraded license.
When the liaison at the time found out, he exclaimed "What??!! No re-tests??!! What are we going to do for donut money??!!" <G>
He was wanting someone to take over the session liaison duties, and
when I asked him if he wanted me to do such, he said "Please". :)
Sadly, he became a Silent Key last fall (pancreatic cancer -- the
same thing my Dad died of almost 10 years ago).
Joe Delahaye wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Okay - that's twice I've seen that word. Had to google it. :-)
Gendarmes?
French Police
mark lewis wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
Okay - that's twice I've seen that word. Had to google it. :-)
gendarmes?
Kent Timm wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
You run into people like that everywhere. Soudns like a bully.
Yes, kind of a throwback to 1980's CB dayz during the fall of the
band.. I don't think he's so much a bully as he is clueless. I've
never met him, I think he's in his early 90s and just doesn't know how
to operate right, he's really the only person I can think of off hand I would call a bad operator.
Most people around here do operate ok when they actually do get on
the air, they just need to do it more.
There's half a dozen repeaters in London, the "main" one has quiet a range, I think it's 600 feet up on the local TV station's tower, I have clear line of sight to it from where I sit right now. I've got it to
in from my car on an China HT and a magmount 1/4wave 30 miles out and
can still trip it at 40 but to weak to really talk.
Oh - just re-read what you said. That's not one you use NOW? Was
looking for ne I could make a contact with YOU. :-)
nope, I haven't used it in ages, but now that I'm thinking about it I should give it a go next time I'm messing around with echolink just to
see what happens. I don't usualy monitor the repeaters any more,
unless I want to cycle the battery in the HT.. If I get regualar radio again I'd probably keep it on, but maybe monitor 146.520 instead of the repeater.. or scan.
What's the details on the SOUTHERNS thing you mentioned?
I heard about Southcars years ago from a pod cast I use to listen to
and tried it out, didn't go back for a long time until recently when I wanted more then just the local stuff, so I spurataclly check in to it
via my tablet. They have a weekly email they send out with the net
times, usually the ragcrews at saturday and sunday at 7pm. http://voip.southcars.com/
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Encryptions would probably be too expensive, but it would certainly
make sense --- SBBSecho 3.00-Win32
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
I would think the same would be true here
As for Junior taking Dad's car, I guess Dad would have to report the
car stolen <G>
Junior could have borrowed it for a trip to the shops or whatever (all above board), then hooked up with his ratbag mates and had a street drag, busted by the cops, etc... :) Certainly happens, seen examples on "Highway Patrol" (a reality TV show about our highway cops at work).
About the only show like that I watch occassionally, is Cops (on FOX)
Yeah, but the community needs to install the receivers on the lights
too <G>. Expensive I think. At times we drive past the local Tim Horton's and there are about 5 cop cars parked there <G>
Encryptions would probably be too expensive, but it would certainly
make sense --- SBBSecho 3.00-Win32
These days, it shouldn't be too expensive to have something.
... Old age & treachery triumph over youth & vigour.
About the only show like that I watch occassionally, is Cops (on
FOX)
Highway Patrol is pretty good, though you might have trouble finding it over there. Another one is RBT, which focuses on alcohol and drug testing of drivers.
I saw a picture on CQ100's QSO-TV at one time, that showed a restaurant called "Donut King"...and the parking lot was full of police cars. <G>
I'd be glad to add that to the Echolink Nets page that I have, at http://www.wx1der.com/elk.htm
Still waiting to see when everyone wants to have the net. :) Sure,
once we know when, that would be excellent.
Unless he is going to the donut shop <G>
Reminds me of a license exam session I was part of years ago, and
every examinee walked out with a Certificate Of Successful Completion
Of Examination (CSCE) for a new or upgraded license.
When the liaison at the time found out, he exclaimed "What??!! No re-tests??!! What are we going to do for donut money??!!" <G>
I guess you had to buy your own <G>. Nice way to get back on topic
though <G>
He was wanting someone to take over the session liaison duties, and
when I asked him if he wanted me to do such, he said "Please". :)
Sadly, he became a Silent Key last fall (pancreatic cancer -- the
same thing my Dad died of almost 10 years ago).
Sad story.
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
These days, it shouldn't be too expensive to have something.
Operative word "shouldn't be". Look at certain medical item that have
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
We have border Patrol here. Then there was/is To Serve and Protect. I watched a similar show as your Highway Patrol while visiting relatives
in the Netherlands.
Daryl Stout wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Too many nets...too little time. :P
No matter what day is picked, it's going to cause a problem with some folks not being able to make it.
One thing I've noted in having done nearly 170 exam sessions as a VE, since I first became accredited in October, 2007, is that the atmosphere is more relaxed. The humor of the VE's before and after the exam does
help to take away the nervousness.
He was wanting someone to take over the session liaison duties, and
when I asked him if he wanted me to do such, he said "Please". :)
Sadly, he became a Silent Key last fall (pancreatic cancer -- the
same thing my Dad died of almost 10 years ago).
Sad story.
One time, he made the mistake of asking for "testees" (instead of examinees or candidates)...and someone replied "only if you have the
balls to take all 3 (Technician, General, and Extra) at the same time"
(hi hi).
I have seen that happen at least twice, if not more. One examinee
came in, and "did the trifecta" (passed all 3 in one shot). The VE
Team leader asked him what he did for a living. When he replied that
he was currently unemployed, the liaison replied "you have too much
time on your hands!!" -- it brought the house down in laughter!! :)
This individual is very active in a club in Conway, Arkansas...and I
have known him since the "BBS heyday" in the mid 80's and early 90's.
We have border Patrol here. Then there was/is To Serve and Protect.
I watched a similar show as your Highway Patrol while visiting
relatives in the Netherlands.
We also have Border Security (i.e. a local version). I have seen the Canadian one too.
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
I think I have seen that one. Now there is one advertised, for a South American country. (forgot which one)
Too many nets...too little time. :P
No matter what day is picked, it's going to cause a problem with some folks not being able to make it.
LOL true. Odds on I won't be able to make it, so I'm staying out of
the decision process, just offering it a home. :)
Indeed it can. Just like the attitude of a teacher can make a world of difference
One time, he made the mistake of asking for "testees" (instead of examinees or candidates)...and someone replied "only if you have the
balls to take all 3 (Technician, General, and Extra) at the same time"
(hi hi).
Good answer :)
I have heard of this happeneing more then once. It has over here as well.
This individual is very active in a club in Conway, Arkansas...and I
have known him since the "BBS heyday" in the mid 80's and early 90's.
So obviously you keep in touch
Daryl Stout wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
It's like contesting...there's one every weekend.
Regardless, let me know when a day and time has been decided on, and I'll add it to the Echolink Nets page.
... Blizzard Warning: Your Dairy Queen Shake Is Ready.
I think I have seen that one. Now there is one advertised, for a
South American country. (forgot which one)
Our Border Security is still in production too. Worth a watch. I don't know of the South American one. The Brits have a similar show called "Customs", which gets aired on TV a bit here too.
Twice, I've had a female candidate literally break down into tears. One of the other VE's said "you are among friends". While we want them to pass the exam, we want them to do it LEGALLY.
Amazingly, one examinee (who had let his license lapse) literally tried to bribe us into certifying the exam fraudulently!! We obviously wouldn't do it, and I reported the individual to the Volunteer Examiner Coordinator, and they can turn it over to the FCC...who can just "ignore" the Certificate Of Successful Completion Of Examination (CSCE), if they feel the individual has
a "character issue".
We tell them that "if it takes you a dozen tries or more to pass the exam, even if just barely...you have as much right to be on the air as someone who aced it the first time. And, once you have your license and callsign, it's nobody else's business what your score was, or how many times it took you to pass the exam".
To that woman who failed, another VE said "the guy who graduates dead last in medical school, with a D Minus, is STILL a DOCTOR"...to which I quipped "But, I wouldn't want them doing a prostate check or a pelvic exam". She crossed her legs, and everyone busted out laughing!! :D
One time, he made the mistake of asking for "testees" (instead ofThe Volunteer Examiner (VE) Teams are usually all male, but I know a few female VE's. The fact remains is that while amateur radio is a male dominated hobby, the women "clean our clocks" when it comes to making contacts. The
best example I heard of was the Radio Amateurs Club of Knoxville, Tennessee; during Field Day Weekend. This female licensee (not sure if she was single or married) had a sexy, sultry voice (whoo hoo!! (hi hi)), and she said the phonetics of the club callsign, W4BBB, was "Women Four Big, Blond, And Beautiful". The loggers almost couldn't keep up with the contacts!! :)
Indeed, I think if you had a Field Day or Contest team with just women
at the mics and the men logging, it'd be "GAME OVER".
I have heard of this happeneing more then once. It has over here as well.
While they no longer have to do the Morse Code, studying over 1700 total questions for 3 exams for a possible 120, and passing all 3 exams, is still quite an accomplishment.
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
I'm getting a bit tired of those reality tv shows. A lot of them are staged (probably not the customs and cops ones though)
Re: Re: Wannbe HAM
By: Daryl Stout to Joe Delahaye on Mon Sep 26 2016 12:42:23
Twice, I've had a female candidate literally break down into tears. Oneof
the other VE's said "you are among friends". While we want them to pass
the exam, we want them to do it LEGALLY.
Amazingly, one examinee (who had let his license lapse) literally triedto
bribe us into certifying the exam fraudulently!! We obviously wouldn'tdo
it, and I reported the individual to the Volunteer ExaminerCoordinator,
and they can turn it over to the FCC...who can just "ignore" thefeel
Certificate Of Successful Completion Of Examination (CSCE), if they
the individual has
a "character issue".
We tell them that "if it takes you a dozen tries or more to pass theexam,
even if just barely...you have as much right to be on the air assomeone
who aced it the first time. And, once you have your license andcallsign,
it's nobody else's business what your score was, or how many times ittook
you to pass the exam".
This if true. When they changed the rules, I happened to be stationed
in our
capital city of Ottawa, working at National Defence HQ. The DOC (at the time)
which is now Industry Canada, was almost around the corner from where I
was
living. I had my license a week later <G>
To that woman who failed, another VE said "the guy who graduates deadlast
in medical school, with a D Minus, is STILL a DOCTOR"...to which Iquipped
"But, I wouldn't want them doing a prostate check or a pelvic exam".She
crossed her legs, and everyone busted out laughing!! :D
LOL
fewOne time, he made the mistake of asking for "testees" (instead ofThe Volunteer Examiner (VE) Teams are usually all male, but I know a
female VE's. The fact remains is that while amateur radio is a maleshe
dominated hobby, the women "clean our clocks" when it comes to making
contacts. The
best example I heard of was the Radio Amateurs Club of Knoxville,
Tennessee; during Field Day Weekend. This female licensee (not sure if
was single or married) had a sexy, sultry voice (whoo hoo!! (hi hi)),and
she said the phonetics of the club callsign, W4BBB, was "Women FourBig,
Blond, And Beautiful". The loggers almost couldn't keep up with the
contacts!! :)
Indeed, I think if you had a Field Day or Contest team with just women
at the mics and the men logging, it'd be "GAME OVER".
There is another reason for that. A woman's voice carries much better
asI have heard of this happeneing more then once. It has over here
well.
While they no longer have to do the Morse Code, studying over 1700total
questions for 3 exams for a possible 120, and passing all 3 exams, is
still quite an accomplishment.
I'm not sure if you have to write both basic and advanced here, or just
the
advanced to get the advanced license.
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I'm getting a bit tired of those reality tv shows. A lot of them
are staged (probably not the customs and cops ones though)
I do like the customs and cops ones for light entertainment (and occasional education). I can't stand the contrived ones though.
I'm not sure if you have to write both basic and advanced here, or
just the advanced to get the advanced license.
Both, can be at the same time, though as long as Basic is done first. Ditto for CW.
Re: Wannbe HAM
By: Bob Seaborn to Joe Delahaye on Wed Sep 28 2016 00:05:01
I'm not sure if you have to write both basic and advanced here, or
just the advanced to get the advanced license.
Both, can be at the same time, though as long as Basic is done first.
Ditto for CW.
OK. Thought perhaps if you just wrote the advanced, that was all that
was necessary.
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Heard last year, on the news, that one of the camera men on Cops was killed in a crossfire.
I'm not sure if you have to write both basic and advanced here, or
just the advanced to get the advanced license.
Both, can be at the same time, though as long as Basic is done
first. Ditto for CW.
OK. Thought perhaps if you just wrote the advanced, that was all that
was necessary.
The basic exam covers a lot of the rules and regulations and a bit of technical, the advanced exam is basically the mirror opposite.
Heard last year, on the news, that one of the camera men on Cops was
killed in a crossfire.
Ouch. :( On our cop shows, I'm yet to see a gun fired. The cops use them as an absolute last resort here.
... The public is wonderfully tolerant. It forgives everything except genius.
Re: Wannbe HAM
By: Bob Seaborn to Joe Delahaye on Wed Sep 28 2016 13:02:00
I'm not sure if you have to write both basic and advanced here, or
just the advanced to get the advanced license.
Both, can be at the same time, though as long as Basic is done
first. Ditto for CW.
OK. Thought perhaps if you just wrote the advanced, that was all that
was necessary.
The basic exam covers a lot of the rules and regulations and a bit of
technical, the advanced exam is basically the mirror opposite.
Still that way? Pretty sure over the last 10 years things have changed since
Iwrote mine <G>
Both, can be at the same time, though as long as Basic is done
first. Ditto for CW.
OK. Thought perhaps if you just wrote the advanced, that was all
that was necessary.
The basic exam covers a lot of the rules and regulations and a bit
of technical, the advanced exam is basically the mirror opposite.
Still that way? Pretty sure over the last 10 years things have
changed since I wrote mine <G>
I'd suggest checking out the exam generators, both Basic and Advanced and see for yourself.
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Ouch. :( On our cop shows, I'm yet to see a gun fired. The cops use them as an absolute last resort here.
Pretty much the same here. It does happen in the big cities though. Certainly not like in the US. They almost all have tasers. In most
cases that would be all they need. If the tasers dont immobilize then perhaps a gun might be necessary, but certainly no need to kill IMO
... The public is wonderfully tolerant. It forgives everything except genius.
LOL
Re: Wannbe HAM
By: Bob Seaborn to Joe Delahaye on Thu Sep 29 2016 08:37:00
Both, can be at the same time, though as long as Basic is done
first. Ditto for CW.
OK. Thought perhaps if you just wrote the advanced, that was all
that was necessary.
The basic exam covers a lot of the rules and regulations and a bit
of technical, the advanced exam is basically the mirror opposite.
Still that way? Pretty sure over the last 10 years things have
changed since I wrote mine <G>
I'd suggest checking out the exam generators, both Basic and Advancedand
see for yourself.
I used to have one of those. I suppose IC website would show.
Cops here have capsicum spray and tasers, which are their first preference when they need to use a weapon. I'd hate to be the cop that pulled a gun, purely because I can only imagine the paperwork and other followup involved! :)
... The public is wonderfully tolerant. It forgives everything
except genius.
LOL
True though. :)
Joe Delahaye wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Yes, immense workload after such an incident. In one way I can
understand their pre-disposition to shoot over there, since it is
presumed everyone is armed, and the slightest wrong move can be
construed as going for a gun. Still, as I said a taser will normally suffice enough to incapacitate
Normally, a taser should suffice, unless the suspect is out of range and appears to be going for a gun.
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