• Re: Ham Radio Digital Mod

    From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Ed Vance on Tuesday, November 07, 2017 21:30:00
    In a message on Tuesday 11-06-17 Ed Vance said to Daryl Stout:

    Hi Ed,

    I'm just busting in, not because I have any experience of digital Ham
    Radio, but I have experience of TV.

    I watch Television using a Digital TV Convertor box.

    Here called Digibox'es.

    I remember that back when Analog Television was being broadcast if
    the Picture messed up the sound portion could still be heard on
    those TV Sets

    That is correct. The same was true with the so called digital channels
    via Digiboxes.

    Those old Digibox channels are now called analog and are still available
    on modern TV sets, along with true digital and HD channels.

    In most cases when the digital/HD signal becomes too weak to give a
    picture, the sound also disappears. In rare cases there may be sound.

    One of the local Amateurs who owned a TV and Radio Repair Shop
    talked about taking courses and buying Test Equipment so He would be
    able to service Digital Television Sets when they needed any fixing.

    There's no special test equipment needed, except a signal generator that
    can give a digital TV signal, and in case you do service on antenna distribution nets, a field-strength meter that is compatible with HD and digital signals.

    Have You noticed if there any lapses or delays to the transmission
    that You are listening to when You're using any of those Digital
    Modes wheather during a QSO or You're SWL'ing the Band?

    What I have noticed is that the more compressed a TV-signal is, the more
    is the time delayed. Finnish TV hasn't noticed that or corrected it, but swedish TV has.

    The delay is only in the class of seconds but still irritating.

    We did also have some "digibox" channels compressed with a MP4 compres-
    sion, and even there the delay was greater than the uncompressed digibox channels.


    73 es GN de Sam, OH0NC

    aka Holger


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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Holger Granholm on Thursday, November 16, 2017 19:52:00
    11-07-17 21:30 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Ham Radio Digital
    od
    Howdy! Holger,

    @MSGID: <5A02D5FF.1704.amtradio@capitolcityonline.net>
    In a message on Tuesday 11-06-17 Ed Vance said to Daryl Stout:

    Hi Ed,

    I'm just busting in, not because I have any experience of digital Ham Radio, but I have experience of TV.

    No need to apologize for making a comment, these BBS Echos are the same as
    a Amateur Radio ROUNDTABLE on 80 Meter AM. afaik (as far as I know)

    I watch Television using a Digital TV Convertor box.

    Here called Digibox'es.

    I remember that back when Analog Television was being broadcast if
    the Picture messed up the sound portion could still be heard on
    those TV Sets

    That is correct. The same was true with the so called digital channels
    via Digiboxes.

    Those old Digibox channels are now called analog and are still
    available on modern TV sets, along with true digital and HD channels.

    If the Digibox signal are Digital, calling them Analog would sound strange
    to me.

    In most cases when the digital/HD signal becomes too weak to give a picture, the sound also disappears. In rare cases there may be sound.

    This new fangled stuff we just have to get adjusted to, don't we?

    One of the local Amateurs who owned a TV and Radio Repair Shop
    talked about taking courses and buying Test Equipment so He would be
    able to service Digital Television Sets when they needed any fixing.

    There's no special test equipment needed, except a signal generator
    that can give a digital TV signal, and in case you do service on
    antenna distribution nets, a field-strength meter that is compatible
    with HD and digital signals.

    I didn't know He only needed to get a Digital TV SigGen to work on the
    newer gear.

    I never learned how to fix a TV Set, I know a little bit about Audio
    Amplifiers and Radio RX's and TX's, but always shied away from what
    was inside of a TV Set, except for taking some 7 Pin and 9 Pin Tubes out
    and taking them somewhere there was a Tube Tester.

    The TV Sets I have now only have One Tube in them, the Picture Tube.

    Have You noticed if there any lapses or delays to the transmission
    that You are listening to when You're using any of those Digital
    Modes wheather during a QSO or You're SWL'ing the Band?

    What I have noticed is that the more compressed a TV-signal is, the
    more is the time delayed. Finnish TV hasn't noticed that or corrected
    it, but swedish TV has.

    The delay is only in the class of seconds but still irritating.

    We did also have some "digibox" channels compressed with a MP4 compres- sion, and even there the delay was greater than the uncompressed
    digibox channels.

    As I mentioned to Richard, I'm wondering if the Digital Modes used in
    Amateur Radio experience any QRN or QSB that would cause pauses or
    distortion of the received signal.

    73 de Ed W9ODR ..

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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Ed Vance on Friday, November 17, 2017 09:43:00
    In a message on Friday 11-16-17 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    GE Ed,

    No need to apologize for making a comment, these BBS Echos are the
    same as a Amateur Radio ROUNDTABLE on 80 Meter AM. afaik (as far as
    I know)

    Yeah I know.

    Those old Digibox channels are now called analog and are still
    available on modern TV sets, along with true digital and HD channels.

    If the Digibox signal are Digital, calling them Analog would sound
    strange to me.

    It DOES to me too!!

    In most cases when the digital/HD signal becomes too weak to give a picture, the sound also disappears. In rare cases there may be sound.

    I'm not usually looking at the "analog" channels because the aspect
    ratio is not correct, so I don't know how the sound behaves with weak
    signal.

    This new fangled stuff we just have to get adjusted to, don't we?

    Yes I have.

    There's no special test equipment needed, except a signal generator
    that can give a digital TV signal, ....

    I didn't know He only needed to get a Digital TV SigGen to work on
    the newer gear.

    No one expects you to know it, but your friend should have known.

    was inside of a TV Set, except for taking some 7 Pin and 9 Pin Tubes
    out and taking them somewhere there was a Tube Tester.

    Tube testers were out long before production of tube TV's ceased.

    A TV-service shop usually had a stock of new tubes, so it was easier to
    plug in a new one into the socket of a suspect one.

    A mobile service enginer also had a stock of new tubes in his tool box.

    The TV Sets I have now only have One Tube in them, the Picture Tube.

    I don't have any TV sets with tube's. The monitor I'm using for the BBS
    is the only one with a picture tube.

    Have You noticed if there any lapses or delays to the transmission
    that You are listening to when You're using any of those Digital
    Modes wheather during a QSO or You're SWL'ing the Band?

    I am not using any digital modes except A1A (CW) on ham radio!

    What I have noticed is that the more compressed a TV-signal is, the
    more is the time delayed. Finnish TV hasn't noticed that or corrected
    it, but swedish TV has.


    73 de Sam, OH0NC

    aka Holger


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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Holger Granholm on Tuesday, November 21, 2017 23:38:00
    11-17-17 09:43 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Ham Radio Digital
    od
    Howdy! Holger,

    @MSGID: <5A1004D7.1716.amtradio@capitolcityonline.net>
    In a message on Friday 11-16-17 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:
    ^^^^^^
    I ain't meaning to nit pick but 11-16-17 was a Thursday, wasn't it?
    -snip-

    Note: I started this Reply around 3PM 11-18-2017 but preThanksgiving
    activities and some other stuff delayed me finishing it to send it.

    This new fangled stuff we just have to get adjusted to, don't we?

    Yes I have.

    There's no special test equipment needed, except a signal generator
    that can give a digital TV signal, ....

    I didn't know He only needed to get a Digital TV SigGen to work on
    the newer gear.

    No one expects you to know it, but your friend should have known.

    That QSO was many, many years ago and what I wrote about Him was what
    I thought I remembered hearing Him say.
    ^^^^^^^

    was inside of a TV Set, except for taking some 7 Pin and 9 Pin Tubes
    out and taking them somewhere there was a Tube Tester.

    Tube testers were out long before production of tube TV's ceased.

    A TV-service shop usually had a stock of new tubes, so it was easier to plug in a new one into the socket of a suspect one.

    Usually I used Tube Testers at a Hobby Shop or Drugs Store when I wanted
    to test a few Vacuum Tubes.

    I did bother a neighborhood TV Service Man to use His Hickock Tube Tester
    to see if a 7F8 Octal Tube that is in my Hallicrafters SX-42 needed
    replacing. That was back in 1965 iirc.

    A mobile service enginer also had a stock of new tubes in his tool box.

    I have a few spare Tubes in a box for Amateur Gear and Stereo Amplifier.

    The TV Sets I have now only have One Tube in them, the Picture Tube.

    I don't have any TV sets with tube's. The monitor I'm using for the BBS
    is the only one with a picture tube.

    I put my MAG Innovision MX15F back in the box when I replaced it with a
    HP vs19e.

    The 15" MAG MultiSync cost $535.00 USD (iirc) back in February 1994 and
    the HP was priced at <>$200.00 USD.

    I got the MAG MX15F because of listening to another Ham talking about how
    great of a Monitor it was.
    I really was drooling over MAG's 17" Monitor but it would had cost an additional $200.00USD, much more than this Cheap LID could talk His YF (Wife) (the Disbursing Clerk) into allowing Me to get.

    The 15 Incher was fine until I walked in a store and saw the price for
    the 19 Incher and it was a flat screen Monitor.
    Of course I mentioned to the YF the 19 Incher used a LOT LESS ELECTRICITY.

    Have You noticed if there any lapses or delays to the transmission
    that You are listening to when You're using any of those Digital
    Modes wheather during a QSO or You're SWL'ing the Band?

    I am not using any digital modes except A1A (CW) on ham radio!

    Back when I was active on the air I used CW too.
    Also BAUDOT RTTY and Packet Radio.

    What TX/XCVR are You using for CW?

    Pardon Me for this long story, which I may have already written about:

    While I was overseas from the Navy Base Alameda, CA Ham Shack K6NCJ,
    the Officer retired and another Officer became in charge of K6NCJ for
    Navy Special Services at the Base.

    When My outfit got back to the Base I learned that I no longer could
    sign the log to get the Key to the Ham Shack because I had to be checked
    out on how to operate the Newer Radio Gear that the new Officer had put
    in the shack.

    After a while I learned who I needed to see to be shown how to operate
    the New Radio Gear, and made an appointment with the Officer to find out
    what I needed to learn so I could get on the Air.

    Inside K6NCJ was a Collins S-Line 32S-1 TX and 75S-1 RX.
    The Officer showed me how to Tune it up to get on SSB (Single Side-Band).
    I asked about using the Collins gear on CW and was told not to try using
    it on CW.

    Finally I could get the Door Key to K6NCJ and had some QSO's on 20M SSB.
    The Manual for the 32S-1 and 75S-1 were in the desk drawer and I read up
    on how to tune the 32S-1 to work CW.

    After many, many tries of Calling CQ and Calling Other Stations who were looking for a CW QSO, I finally told the Officer about my failed efforts
    to work someone on CW and had Him meet Me at the Shack one afternoon.

    He showed me that the J-38 Key was plugged in the VOX Jack on the back of
    the 32S-1, and told Me when I wanted to Operate CW to change the Key Plug
    to the Key Jack, but when I turned off the gear to put it back in the
    VOX Jack.

    Now I could Operate CW, finally. Whew!

    While reading the 32S-1 Manual and looking at its Schematic I learned the circuitry used for CW Mode wasn't A1 at all, it was using Audio Modulated Supressed Carrier Telegraphy A3A which to the best of my knowledge in 1962
    was an ILLEGAL Mode on the 20 Meters CW Band.

    I'm not sure but my Kenwood TS-520S probably uses Keyed Audio Tone on SSB
    for CW like Collins did with their 32S-1 TX.

    That's My long story, the best I can remember it. Nuf Said.

    What I have noticed is that the more compressed a TV-signal is, the
    more is the time delayed. Finnish TV hasn't noticed that or corrected
    it, but swedish TV has.

    I've thought about trying to listen on 20 M to see if I could find someone using Digital Mode on the Ham Radio Bands.

    It might only be scratchy noise, instead of Donald Duck sounding Audio.
    If anyone reading knows what Freq. on 20M HF that the Digital Hams are on
    I'd appreciate knowing, so I could listen either on the 520 or My 2-B RX.


    .. It's the best I can do on short notice.
    -- MR/2 2.30

    This is the best I could do for a delayed Reply, sorry Holger . .

    73 de Ed W9ODR . .

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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Holger Granholm on Thursday, November 23, 2017 04:50:00
    11-17-17 09:43 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Ham Radio Digital
    od

    @MSGID: <5A1004D7.1716.amtradio@capitolcityonline.net>
    In a message on Friday 11-16-17 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:
    -snip-
    Howdy! Holger,

    Where I wrote VOX in the Reply I sent You I realized VOX was the
    wrong Title for the Jack on the back of the 32S-1.

    The Officer had the J-38 Key plugged in the PTT Jack.
    That is why I couldn't send any CW on the rig.

    The older gear that the S-Line replaced was a NC-300 RX,
    a Central Electronics 100V TX and a Central Electronics 600L RF Amplifier.

    I thought the Officer was dumb to replace that fine set up with the
    puny Collins S-Line gear.

    But in His room at BOQ (Batchelor Officers Quarters) He showed Me His
    KWM (-1 or maybe -2, can't remember) XCVR.

    I looked at the prices for the older gear and the newer gear shown in
    the 1959 Allied Radio Catalog.

    National NC-300 wasn't shown but the NC-303 was $449.95 USD
    Central Electronics 100V was $595.00 USD
    Central Electronics 600L was $495.00 USD

    Total value $1539.95 USD

    Collins 32S-1 was $590.00 USD
    Collins 75S-1 was $495.00 USD

    Total value $1085.00 USD (I didn't figure the cost for a 32S-1 Power Supply)

    Go figure.

    Before the Central Electronics gear was put in the K6NCJ Ham Shack I used
    a AN/T-350 XM AM/CW TX there.

    Pictures of a T-350 XM being restored are at:

    http://www.isquare.com/personal_pages/t350.htm

    73 de Ed W9ODR . .


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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Ed Vance on Thursday, November 23, 2017 09:50:00
    In a message on Thursday 11-21-17 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    GE Ed,

    @MSGID: <5A1004D7.1716.amtradio@capitolcityonline.net>
    In a message on Friday 11-16-17 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:
    ^^^^^^

    I ain't meaning to nit pick but 11-16-17 was a Thursday, wasn't it?

    YES it was, you're correct and the same error is on the top line of this message. Nov. 21st 2017 was a Tuesday. Spooky!

    Thank you very much for your observation. Now I have to find out where
    that wrong name-o-day is coming from. Suspicions must be checked.

    I did now check everything I can set from the operating system, but
    there's no way to tell the OS the weekday name, so I'll probably have to
    reboot the machine to get at the BIOS settings.

    Thanks again for pointing this out.

    I didn't know He only needed to get a Digital TV SigGen to work on
    the newer gear.

    No one expects you to know it, but your friend should have known.

    That QSO was many, many years ago and what I wrote about Him was
    what I thought I remembered hearing Him say.
    ^^^^^^^

    OK.

    Tube testers were out long before production of tube TV's ceased.

    A TV-service shop usually had a stock of new tubes, so it was easier to plug in a new one into the socket of a suspect one.

    I have a few spare Tubes in a box for Amateur Gear and Stereo
    Amplifier.

    So do I even though I don't have any 'tubed' sets anymore.

    His YF (Wife) (the Disbursing Clerk) into allowing Me to get.

    I didn't remember that abbreviation but it's five years since I had one.

    Have You noticed if there any lapses or delays to the transmission
    that You are listening to when You're using any of those Digital
    Modes wheather during a QSO or You're SWL'ing the Band?

    I am not using any digital modes except A1A (CW) on ham radio!

    What TX/XCVR are You using for CW?

    A Drake TR7 for HF, a FT-290R for 144 MHz, an IC-402 for 432 MHz and an
    IC-202 plus transverters for 1296 MHz and up.

    I've thought about trying to listen on 20 M to see if I could find
    someone using Digital Mode on the Ham Radio Bands.

    It might only be scratchy noise, instead of Donald Duck sounding
    Audio. If anyone reading knows what Freq. on 20M HF that the Digital
    Hams are on I'd appreciate knowing, so I could listen either on the
    520 or My 2-B RX.

    Forget it. To listen to digital voice you need an adapter installed or connected to your receiver.


    GN es 73 de Sam, OH0NC

    aka Holger


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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Ed Vance on Friday, November 24, 2017 09:59:00
    In a message on Friday 24/11-2017 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    GE Ed,

    As you can see, now the day and date correlate, BUT are incorrect.
    Your message is dated Nov 23rd, so what is shown is the system date.

    More work is needed, but the cause of error wasn't in the BIOS, but in
    the QWK program.

    Where I wrote VOX in the Reply I sent You I realized VOX was the
    wrong Title for the Jack on the back of the 32S-1.

    I've never had any Collins gear but our club has a 75A2.

    a Central Electronics 100V TX and a Central Electronics 600L RF
    Amplifier.

    Now I'm on familiar territory. My first SSB transmitter was a homebuilt 'Chinese Copy' of the CE 20 with european tubes. I received some help
    from CE to get the Phase-Shift-Network, band-switching unit and complete assembly manual and chassis layout drawing.

    As VFO I used the one that was built into a BC-458 surplus transmitter.

    This was the first SSB transmitter on-the-air from Finland 1955 and 1997
    from Aland Islands. Also built a CE Side-Band-Slicer w. Q-multiplier.

    Before moving to OH0 in 1997, I completed a SSB transmitter that was
    contained on a BC-458 chassis and also used the two 1625 PA tubes.


    73 de Sam, OH0NC

    aka Holger


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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Holger Granholm on Friday, December 08, 2017 22:58:00
    11-23-17 09:50 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Ham Radio Digital
    od
    Howdy! Holger,

    I got Your message in a .QWK Packet this morning at 11AM but just now
    started to write a Reply.

    @MSGID: <5A29D639.1731.amtradio@capitolcityonline.net>
    In a message on Thursday 11-21-17 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    GE Ed,

    @MSGID: <5A1004D7.1716.amtradio@capitolcityonline.net>
    In a message on Friday 11-16-17 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:
    ^^^^^^

    I ain't meaning to nit pick but 11-16-17 was a Thursday, wasn't it?

    YES it was, you're correct and the same error is on the top line of
    this message. Nov. 21st 2017 was a Tuesday. Spooky!

    Thank you very much for your observation. Now I have to find out where that wrong name-o-day is coming from. Suspicions must be checked.

    I did now check everything I can set from the operating system, but there's no way to tell the OS the weekday name, so I'll probably have
    to reboot the machine to get at the BIOS settings.

    Thanks again for pointing this out.

    For some reason I actually paid attention and saw the Day of the Week difference.
    I miss a lot though.
    -snip-
    I have a few spare Tubes in a box for Amateur Gear and Stereo
    Amplifier.

    So do I even though I don't have any 'tubed' sets anymore.

    I still have visions of building a RF Amp with two 4-125A but that
    ROUNDTUIT List keeps getting in the way.
    -snip-
    I've thought about trying to listen on 20 M to see if I could find
    someone using Digital Mode on the Ham Radio Bands.

    It might only be scratchy noise, instead of Donald Duck sounding
    Audio. If anyone reading knows what Freq. on 20M HF that the Digital
    Hams are on I'd appreciate knowing, so I could listen either on the
    520 or My 2-B RX.

    Forget it. To listen to digital voice you need an adapter installed or connected to your receiver.

    Thank You, I'll forget about doing it then.

    I will Reply to Your other two messages TMW.

    73 de Ed W9ODR . .

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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Holger Granholm on Sunday, December 10, 2017 03:50:00
    11-24-17 09:59 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Ham Radio Digital
    od
    Howdy! Holger aka ... .- -- ,

    @MSGID: <5A29D639.1732.amtradio@capitolcityonline.net>
    In a message on Friday 24/11-2017 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    GE Ed,
    GM, It's a day later than I said I'd respond to this and Your next message.

    I started a Full Scan with Windows Defender and didn't know it would take longer than 5 or 6 Hours to complete.
    It took over 15 hours since 6AM yesterday and I checked it just now and
    it had finished. WHEW!!!!

    As you can see, now the day and date correlate, BUT are incorrect.
    Your message is dated Nov 23rd, so what is shown is the system date.

    More work is needed, but the cause of error wasn't in the BIOS, but in
    the QWK program.

    Here On Earth Computers Alway Win Because They Have Inside Information,
    don't they?

    Where I wrote VOX in the Reply I sent You I realized VOX was the
    wrong Title for the Jack on the back of the 32S-1.

    I've never had any Collins gear but our club has a 75A2.

    That heavy thing (RX) will keep the Operating Desk from floating away
    if the Ham Shack got flooded.

    a Central Electronics 100V TX and a Central Electronics 600L RF
    Amplifier.

    Now I'm on familiar territory. My first SSB transmitter was a homebuilt 'Chinese Copy' of the CE 20 with european tubes. I received some help
    from CE to get the Phase-Shift-Network, band-switching unit and
    complete assembly manual and chassis layout drawing.

    I remember they made a CE 10 and CE 20 back in the late 1950's.

    I visited a Ham in San Francisco, California who had a CE 10 in His Shack.

    As VFO I used the one that was built into a BC-458 surplus transmitter.

    Hope You didn't have to have the whole BC-458 on Your Desk just to use
    the VFO in it with the CE 20.

    This was the first SSB transmitter on-the-air from Finland 1955 and
    1997 from Aland Islands. Also built a CE Side-Band-Slicer w.
    Q-multiplier.

    You were on SSB when I was a SWL using a Midwest Radio Corp. Multi-Band RX. That was three years before I earned my Novice License.

    I have a CE GC-1 Gated Compression Amplifier another Ham gave me in My
    Shack.

    Before moving to OH0 in 1997, I completed a SSB transmitter that was contained on a BC-458 chassis and also used the two 1625 PA tubes.

    Ah!, the 1625 was a 12V version of the old reliable 807 tube (iirc).
    Long time........

    .. Windows Error #6BD3 : System Outclassed! Non-Windows OS
    But still a GUI .... ..


    73 de Ed W9ODR

    ... Nothing can go wrong now, go wrong, gow rong, grong!
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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Ed Vance on Saturday, December 09, 2017 15:45:00
    In a message on 12-08-17 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    11-23-17 09:50 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Ham Radio

    GE Ed,

    It seems to me that you don't download QWK packets very often.
    There's a huge difference between 11-23-17 and 12-08-17!

    I ain't meaning to nit pick but 11-16-17 was a Thursday, wasn't it?

    Thank you very much for your observation. Now I have to find out where that wrong name-o-day is coming from. Suspicions must be checked.

    Thanks again for pointing this out.

    I still have visions of building a RF Amp with two 4-125A but that ROUNDTUIT List keeps getting in the way.

    I don't think you'll ever build that RF-Amp.

    Forget it. To listen to digital voice you need an adapter installed or connected to your receiver.

    Thank You, I'll forget about doing it then.


    GN es CU AGN, Sam, OH0NC

    aka Holger


    .. If you fly by the seat of your pants, don't eat prunes.
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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Holger Granholm on Monday, December 11, 2017 11:23:00
    11-24-17 09:59 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Ham Radio Digital
    od
    Howdy! again Holger,
    GM.
    @MSGID: <5A29D639.1732.amtradio@capitolcityonline.net>
    In a message on Friday 24/11-2017 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:
    -snip-
    a Central Electronics 100V TX and a Central Electronics 600L RF
    Amplifier.

    Now I'm on familiar territory. My first SSB transmitter was a homebuilt 'Chinese Copy' of the CE 20 with european tubes. I received some help
    from CE to get the Phase-Shift-Network, band-switching unit and
    complete assembly manual and chassis layout drawing.

    As VFO I used the one that was built into a BC-458 surplus transmitter.

    This was the first SSB transmitter on-the-air from Finland 1955 and
    1997 from Aland Islands. Also built a CE Side-Band-Slicer w.
    Q-multiplier.

    Before moving to OH0 in 1997, I completed a SSB transmitter that was contained on a BC-458 chassis and also used the two 1625 PA tubes.

    Yesterday Morning My Church's Choir sung one of the songs that would be
    sung Sunday Night in the Cantata called "The Song Heard 'Round the World".

    The Minister of Music mentioned the song was a CHRISTmas Song from Finland.
    My mind started rolling over and over thinking that I saw You mention in
    this post that Your first SSB Station was in Finland.

    I just reread the message and saw that Finland ( OH ) is what You wrote.
    The name of the song is:

    "Hodie! CHRISTUS natus est"

    or in English "Rejoice! CHRIST Is Born!"

    It's a GREAT Song!

    During the Cantata the Choir sung songs from other Countries but I liked
    the Finnish Song the best out of the bunch they sung.
    It looked like the Choir really enjoyed singing it too.

    I just had to tell You that I thought of You yesterday because I heard that song.

    What was Your Call Sign in 1955 when the SSB Rig came on the Air?
    Just wondering............

    73 es Hodie! CHRISTUS natus est de Ed W9ODR . .


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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Ed Vance on Monday, December 11, 2017 11:50:00
    In a message on 12-10-17 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    Howdy! Holger aka ... .- -- ,

    RR GM Ed aka . -..

    I started a Full Scan with Windows Defender and didn't know it would
    take longer than 5 or 6 Hours to complete.
    It took over 15 hours since 6AM yesterday and I checked it just now
    and it had finished. WHEW!!!!

    Dunno what that Defender is, 'cause I don't use it. If it's an antivirus program, I use the free AVG program that does an automatic scan in the background every day while I work at that machine. It isn't noticeable.

    One of my Win10 machines makes backups with the Windows backup program,
    the other one uses the Easeus ToDo backup program that Tom recommended.

    The Windows BU-pgm takes about 6 hrs to make a clone, but an ordinary
    full backup takes about 2 hrs.

    As you can see, now the day and date correlate, BUT are incorrect.

    More work is needed, but the cause of error wasn't in the BIOS, but
    in the QWK program.

    Yes, sort-of. If the mailing QWK program doesn't put in that w-day the receiving QWK program has nothing to go on, because Fido isn't putting
    in that time.

    I've never had any Collins gear but our club has a 75A2.

    That heavy thing (RX) will keep the Operating Desk from floating
    away if the Ham Shack got flooded.

    That receiver is in our club house atop a mountain so there's no risk of
    it becoming flooded.

    Now I'm on familiar territory. My first SSB transmitter was a homebuilt 'Chinese Copy' of the CE 20 with european tubes.

    I remember they made a CE 10 and CE 20 back in the late 1950's.

    Correct. My 20A copy came on the air in 1955.

    As VFO I used the one that was built into a BC-458 surplus transmitter.

    Hope You didn't have to have the whole BC-458 on Your Desk just to
    use the VFO in it with the CE 20.

    It seems to me that you don't know those aircraft transmitters/receivers
    They were very compact as were the receivers. The BC-453 as an example
    was a receiver that covered (IRC) 200-550 kc and had an 85 kc IF.

    That receiver became named the Q5-er and often was inserted as an
    extension to a receivers 455 kc IF to improve the selectivity.

    This was the first SSB transmitter on-the-air from Finland 1955 and
    1997 from Aland Islands.

    You were on SSB when I was a SWL using a Midwest Radio Corp.
    Multi-Band RX. That was three years before I earned my Novice
    License.

    That's life.

    I have a CE GC-1 Gated Compression Amplifier another Ham gave me in
    My Shack.

    Don't know that piece of gear. SSB didn't need any compression to outdo
    AM transmissions.

    Ah!, the 1625 was a 12V version of the old reliable 807 tube (iirc).

    Correct but with another socket.

    .. Windows Error #6BD3 : System Outclassed! Non-Windows OS
    But still a GUI .... ..

    OS/2 does also have a GUI.


    GN es 73 de Sam, OH0NC

    aka Holger


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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Ed Vance on Tuesday, December 12, 2017 09:23:00
    In a message on 12-11-17 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    11-24-17 09:59 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Ham Radio Digital od

    The long turnaround of mail isn't fun anymore. See dates above!

    Hi Ed,

    This was the first SSB transmitter on-the-air from Finland 1955 and
    1957 from Aland Islands. Also built a CE Side-Band-Slicer w.
    Q-multiplier.

    Before moving to OH0 in 1957, I completed a SSB transmitter that was contained on a BC-458 chassis and also used the two 1625 PA tubes.

    The year 1997 was an error on my part. I have corrected both above.

    My mind started rolling over and over thinking that I saw
    You mention in this post that Your first SSB Station was in Finland.

    Yes I actually was born and lived there until 1957.

    I just reread the message and saw that Finland ( OH ) is what You
    wrote. The name of the song is:

    "Hodie! CHRISTUS natus est"

    or in English "Rejoice! CHRIST Is Born!"

    What was Your Call Sign in 1955 when the SSB Rig came on the Air?
    Just wondering............

    My callsign was OH2OJ and my XYL's was OH2QJ.


    Have a nice day,

    73 de Sam, OH0NC,

    aka Holger


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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Holger Granholm on Saturday, December 16, 2017 13:30:00
    12-09-17 15:45 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Ham Radio Digital
    od
    Howdy! Holger,

    @MSGID: <5A2D5A43.1738.amtradio@capitolcityonline.net>
    In a message on 12-08-17 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    11-23-17 09:50 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Ham Radio

    GE Ed,

    It seems to me that you don't download QWK packets very often.
    There's a huge difference between 11-23-17 and 12-08-17!

    I got Your message in a 12-11-17 packet but hadn't Replied until 12-16-17.

    I download packets most days once or twice but don't have time to read everything in them, so I mostly Lurk around a few echos as I have time.

    I ain't meaning to nit pick but 11-16-17 was a Thursday, wasn't it?

    Thank you very much for your observation. Now I have to find out where that wrong name-o-day is coming from. Suspicions must be checked.

    Thanks again for pointing this out.

    Glad to help You.

    I still have visions of building a RF Amp with two 4-125A but that ROUNDTUIT List keeps getting in the way.

    I don't think you'll ever build that RF-Amp.

    Probably not, all I got so far is a Transformer and Filter Choke for the
    Power Supply and two Tube Sockets.

    73 de Ed W9ODR ..


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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Ed Vance on Sunday, December 17, 2017 09:42:00
    In a message on 12-16-17 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    Hi Ed,

    It seems to me that you don't download QWK packets very often.
    There's a huge difference between 11-23-17 and 12-08-17!

    That's more than three weeks!!!

    I got Your message in a 12-11-17 packet but hadn't Replied until
    12-16-17.

    Yes, that's OK. Only five days.

    I download packets most days once or twice but don't have time to
    read everything in them, so I mostly Lurk around a few echos as I
    have time.

    Appparently you download too many echoes.

    I don't think you'll ever build that RF-Amp.

    Probably not, all I got so far is a Transformer and Filter Choke for
    the Power Supply and two Tube Sockets.

    I do also have modulation and driver transformers for a 2x807 modulator
    that I intended to build in 1954-1955, but they became useless when SSB
    proved to be so effective that no AM was needed.

    I was however named Donald Duck by hams that couldn't read SSB, hi.


    73 es cuagn sn de Sam, OH0NC.

    Seasons Greetings,

    aka Holger


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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Holger Granholm on Monday, December 18, 2017 22:36:00
    12-17-17 09:42 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Ham Radio Digital
    od

    @MSGID: <5A37E613.1745.amtradio@capitolcityonline.net>
    In a message on 12-16-17 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    Hi Ed,
    Howdy! Holger,

    It seems to me that you don't download QWK packets very often.
    There's a huge difference between 11-23-17 and 12-08-17!

    That's more than three weeks!!!

    I got Your message in a 12-11-17 packet but hadn't Replied until
    12-16-17.

    Yes, that's OK. Only five days.

    This Morning I got Your 12-17-17 message and started writing my Reply to
    it at around 11:40 A.M. .

    Saturday Night was the last time I had the computer turned On.
    Boy! those ROUNDTUITS are troublesome, I ain't wired for STEREO and
    can only do one thing at a time. .... ..

    -Later-
    After getting some chores done, I'm back at the keyboard finishing this
    post.

    I download packets most days once or twice but don't have time to
    read everything in them, so I mostly Lurk around a few echos as I
    have time.

    Appparently you download too many echoes.

    AMEN! to that.
    I like reading verious Echo Topics to learn what others know.

    When Mike Powell's BBS only subscribed to the GT Power and FIDO Networks
    I could read all that was in the .QWK packets I received.

    His BBS has messages from other Networks now, and since I am still trying
    to become a "mister know it all", I Joined many of the Echoes in those Networks.

    I've gotten irregular with Posting in the Echoes that I frequently wrote messages in and became a Echo Lurker.

    I know that You're thinking "Dumb LID" right now. .... ..
    You're Correct!

    I don't think you'll ever build that RF-Amp.

    Probably not, all I got so far is a Transformer and Filter Choke for
    the Power Supply and two Tube Sockets.

    I do also have modulation and driver transformers for a 2x807 modulator that I intended to build in 1954-1955, but they became useless when SSB proved to be so effective that no AM was needed.

    What Tube(s) were You going to have in the Final RF Amplifer to Modulate
    them with the Push Pull 807 Modulator when the project was finished?
    6146('s), 813('s)?

    I was however named Donald Duck by hams that couldn't read SSB, hi.

    I remember, in 1958 when I got my Hallicrafters S-38E RX, hearing the Quack Quack until I moved the Slide-Switch from AM to CW and VERY CAREFULLY turned the knob until the signal became intelligent.

    It IS very hard even if I know how another Hams voice sounds to tune a SSB signal to actually sound like the person, for Me at least it is.

    Before Transceivers had a RIT Control (Receiver Incremental Tuning) I
    listened to Ham SSB QSO's sliding up and down the Band.
    (I know You Know what RIT is, but I explained it in case someone didn't).

    A RIT Knob was one thing I looked for when I was looking to buy a SSB XCVR
    in the mid-1970's.

    I didn't want a Yeasu rig because people were buying them to use on 27 Mc/s
    AM.

    A couple of times I talked with men who bragged about using their Yeasu XCVR
    to talk on the Citizen Band and Beyond....

    That was what made my mind up not to ever buy anything Yeasu built.

    The Kenwood TS-520S had RIT and didn't have a AM Mode selection, and also bacause another Ham Bruce WA4DYL used a TS-520 at His QTH and in His Car.

    Bruce showed me how He mounted a metal plate on the bottom of His TS-520.

    He had removed the Pin from a large Hinge and bolted one half of the Hinge
    to the plate.

    The other part of the Hinge was fastened on the Floor of His Car, it was threaded so He could fasten the Hinge parts together by screwing Bolts in,
    one for each side of the Hinge (in the place of the Hinge Pin He removed).

    He used a Socket Wrench to install His TS-520 when He wanted to go Mobile
    with it.
    He put a Towel over the Rig when He was away from the car.

    I liked Bruce's idea so when I got a TS-520S and a DS-1A DC-DC Adapter I
    used His idea.

    The Kenwood rig replaced a Heathkit TX-1 Apache TX and Drake 2-B RX & 2-BQ.
    I bought that TX and RX USED from Henry Radio.

    [Still talking about operating SSB without RIT and knowing the Ham's voice]

    I used to Sign In to the Kentucky CW Traffic Net, long ago........,
    with a Heathkit DX-40 TX, Knightkit VFO and Hallicrafters SX-42 RX,
    and had No Problem with knowing who was sending CW when I logged in
    to the Net, because when I have remembered a persons FIST I could
    reconize them even before hearing them send their Call Sign.

    73 es Merry CHRISTmas de Ed W9ODR K

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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Ed Vance on Tuesday, December 19, 2017 09:33:00
    In a message on 12-18-17 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    GE Ed,

    This Morning I got Your 12-17-17 message and started writing my
    Reply to it at around 11:40 A.M. .

    Todays messages were automatically transferred to my system at 07:47 and
    at 07:55 I downloaded the QWK packet. Then I had a morning meal and saw
    the latest news/weather on the TV. At 08:50 I sat down at the computer
    to read/reply todays mail.

    Boy! those ROUNDTUITS are troublesome, I ain't wired for STEREO and
    can only do one thing at a time. .... ..

    Yeah I know. I still have to do my bed and get dressed and shaved.

    read everything in them, so I mostly Lurk around a few echos as I
    have time.

    I really don't have time to lurk in other echoes than the ones I get
    when my system polls my host each morning.

    His BBS has messages from other Networks now, and since I am still
    trying to become a "mister know it all", I Joined many of the Echoes
    in those Networks.

    That's your problem. You have joined too many echoes and without the
    foundation you'll never become that "mr know it all" ;o(

    What Tube(s) were You going to have in the Final RF Amplifer to
    Modulate them with the Push Pull 807 Modulator when the project was finished? 6146('s), 813('s)?

    The 4-65 I already had in the PA.

    It IS very hard even if I know how another Hams voice sounds to tune
    a SSB signal to actually sound like the person, for Me at least it
    is.

    OK,

    (I know You Know what RIT is, but I explained it in case someone
    didn't).

    Yes I knew it.

    Bruce showed me how He mounted a metal plate on the bottom of His
    TS-520.

    He had removed the Pin from a large Hinge and bolted one half of the
    Hinge to the plate.

    When I started my radio/Tv service outfit I didn't have much time to
    build my gear so I invested in a Drake TR-3 and a mobile bracket plus a
    DC power suply so I could have the rig in the car (Mini) also.

    He used a Socket Wrench to install His TS-520 when He wanted to go
    Mobile with it.

    I just twisted a couple of wing nuts to fasten the TCVR into the car.

    I used to Sign In to the Kentucky CW Traffic Net, long ago........,

    I still love CW and listen right now to the 14 MHz CW portion while I'm
    writing this.

    73 es Merry CHRISTmas de Ed W9ODR K

    Same to you de Sam OH0NC.


    Have a good night,

    Holger


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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Holger Granholm on Wednesday, December 20, 2017 23:27:00
    12-19-17 09:33 Holger Granholm wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Ham Radio Digital
    od
    Howdy! Holger,

    @MSGID: <5A3A34F0.1747.amtradio@capitolcityonline.net>
    In a message on 12-18-17 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:
    -snip-
    What Tube(s) were You going to have in the Final RF Amplifer to
    Modulate them with the Push Pull 807 Modulator when the project was finished? 6146('s), 813('s)?

    The 4-65 I already had in the PA.

    I think I chatted with You about the 4-65 tubes I seen in a UHF rig when
    I was in the Navy.
    They were used in the Modulator section (I think it was a AN/GRC-39?),
    too long ago....., I just remember the rig was called a ANGRY something.

    I like the Specs for the 4-65 Tube.
    -snip-
    Bruce showed me how He mounted a metal plate on the bottom of His
    TS-520.

    He had removed the Pin from a large Hinge and bolted one half of the
    Hinge to the plate.

    When I started my radio/Tv service outfit I didn't have much time to
    build my gear so I invested in a Drake TR-3 and a mobile bracket plus a
    DC power suply so I could have the rig in the car (Mini) also.

    He used a Socket Wrench to install His TS-520 when He wanted to go
    Mobile with it.

    I just twisted a couple of wing nuts to fasten the TCVR into the car.

    I'm not sure but I'd think that here in the U.S. a couple of wing nuts
    would make it a easy job for a thief to steal that TR-3.

    I just looked at what I said was the "Bolt(s)" Bruce and I used.

    Each one is a 4 1/2 " long piece of 1/2 Inch Threaded Stock with a Nut
    on one end of it and 2" of the other end is smooth - the threads have been grounded off.

    A small hole is drilled through the Nut for a Keeper Pin to keep the Nut on
    the Threaded Stock to mount the TS-520S when I had it in the 1969 Buick,
    years ago.

    Bruce's idea made it a "little" harder for a thief to remove the XCVR.

    Is thievery a problem where You live like it is in the U.S.?

    I used to Sign In to the Kentucky CW Traffic Net, long ago........,

    I still love CW and listen right now to the 14 MHz CW portion while I'm writing this.

    Even though I haven't keyed a rig for years, I love 20M CW too.

    .. If Jesus was Jewish, why does he have a Mexican name?

    Was Mexico a Country when Jesus walked our Earth?

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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Ed Vance on Friday, December 22, 2017 09:39:00
    In a message on 12-20-17 Ed Vance said to Holger Granholm:

    GE Ed,

    What Tube(s) were You going to have in the Final RF Amplifer to
    Modulate them with the Push Pull 807 Modulator when the project was finished? 6146('s), 813('s)?

    I'm not that crazy to AM-modulate tubes that have the same output as the
    807's. OK the 813 is fatter but that's a tube I've never had.

    I think I chatted with You about the 4-65 tubes I seen in a UHF rig
    They were used in the Modulator section (I think it was a

    As RF amplifier the 4-65 wasn't going to UHF but as modulator OK.

    I just twisted a couple of wing nuts to fasten the TCVR into the car.

    I'm not sure but I'd think that here in the U.S. a couple of wing
    nuts would make it a easy job for a thief to steal that TR-3.

    I'm not living in that kind of a society. If a somebody forgot his bag
    or suitcase at a bus stop platform, it's still there when he/she comes
    there a week later.

    Is thievery a problem where You live like it is in the U.S.?

    See above.

    Even though I haven't keyed a rig for years, I love 20M CW too.

    .. If Jesus was Jewish, why does he have a Mexican name?

    Was Mexico a Country when Jesus walked our Earth?

    Well, at least the soil was there.


    Merry Christmas,

    Holger


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