Hello There,

I wasn't aware until my neighbor asked about a problem that he was having with his big screen TV. Seems that when I key up on 10 meters I turn his TV off. It took a bit of investigating before we confirmed that was actually happening. My big screen TV's aren't affected so it may be brand related.

Jeff

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Jeff Smith wrote to All <=-

Hello There,

I wasn't aware until my neighbor asked about a problem that he was
having with his big screen TV. Seems that when I key up on 10 meters I turn his TV off. It took a bit of investigating before we confirmed
that was actually happening. My big screen TV's aren't affected so it
may be brand related.

I'm guessing a ferrite or 2 on his power cord should help. :) Definitely peculiar to his TV, I haven't exerienced that issue.




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Hello Tony,

Seems that when I key up on 10 meters I
turn his TV off. It took a bit of investigating before we confirmed
that was actually happening. My big screen TV's aren't affected so it
may be brand related.

I'm guessing a ferrite or 2 on his power cord should help. :) Definitely peculiar to his TV, I haven't exerienced that issue.

Me either. It only seems to be an issue on 10m. As transmitting on any other HF
bands doesn't appear to bother that TV at all.


Jeff


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On 02/28/18, Jeff Smith said the following...

Me either. It only seems to be an issue on 10m. As transmitting on any other HF bands doesn't appear to bother that TV at all.

We had a similar instance with the residence next door to our club station.
It was only on 10m, so happened infrequently (we don't operate 10m very
often), but we gave the homeowner a handfull of clip-on ferite cores, and he was happy to apply them to various cords on his AV setup. The problem disappeared right away.

We were happy to have such a quick resolution, because our club station is housed in a city-owned building, and the last thing we need is a complaint lodged with the city :)

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Jeff Smith wrote to All Subject: Thats Odd

I wasn't aware until my neighbor asked about a problem that he
was having with his big screen TV. Seems that when I key up on 10
meters I turn his TV off. It took a bit of investigating before we confirmed that was actually happening. My big screen TV's aren't
affected so it may be brand related

Does he have a "Smart TV" and or Blu-ray? I've found they are more sensitive to RFI than the "non smart" TV's and DVDs with no internet interface, also could be comeing through his HD Receiver if he has one.

Al Kaiser n1api@cox.net <=-

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02-28-18 08:57 Jeff Smith wrote to Tony Langdon about Re: Thats Odd
Howdy! Jeff, Tony et al,

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Hello Tony,

Seems that when I key up on 10 meters I
turn his TV off. It took a bit of investigating before we confirmed
that was actually happening. My big screen TV's aren't affected so it
may be brand related.

I'm guessing a ferrite or 2 on his power cord should help. :) Definitely peculiar to his TV, I haven't exerienced that issue.

Me either. It only seems to be an issue on 10m. As transmitting on any other HF bands doesn't appear to bother that TV at all.

In 1956 when I was in the 10th Grade, the High School had a Amateur Radio
Club.

Previous Students (and the Teacher) had built a Rack Mounted Kilowatt,
Plate Modulated Transmitter they used on 15 Meters.

The Final Amp had a pair of 810's in it.

In the Schools neighborhood was one family who had an older model Television Set that had a 21.255 Mc. I.F. in it, and the School would get calls
on the telephone about TVI.

The Radio Room Teacher changed the Plug-In Coils in the rig to use it on
20M and after doing that the School didn't get any more TVI calls.

73 de Ed W9ODR . .


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In a message on 03-02-18 Tony Langdon said to Jeff Smith:

Hi Tony,

Me either. It only seems to be an issue on 10m. As transmitting on any other HF bands doesn't appear to bother that TV at all.

Obviously something really picks up 10m. Years ago, home alarms had
a similar problem, most commonly triggered by 40m, but no other
band.

We had a similar problem. The TV-sets manufactured in the 1950-1960's
had an IF-frequency of 21 MHz. Obviously we had to avoid working on the
15m, and to some extent 40m bands, since 7 MHz * 3 = 21 MHz.

Luckily, in those early TV days, they were not transmitting programs
24h/day, so we could operate ham radio outside TV-hours.


73 de Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger


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Holger Granholm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

We had a similar problem. The TV-sets manufactured in the 1950-1960's
had an IF-frequency of 21 MHz. Obviously we had to avoid working on the 15m, and to some extent 40m bands, since 7 MHz * 3 = 21 MHz.

That would be a problem. Also some 2 way radios have an IF of 21.4 MHz. Fun if there's some 15m activity nearby!

Luckily, in those early TV days, they were not transmitting programs 24h/day, so we could operate ham radio outside TV-hours.

Here, that was after midnight. :)


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In a message on 03-05-18 Tony Langdon said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Tony,

That would be a problem. Also some 2 way radios have an IF of 21.4

Luckily, in those early TV days, they were not transmitting programs 24h/day, so we could operate ham radio outside TV-hours.

Here, that was after midnight. :)

The conditions on 21 MHz are not the best after midnight, so it wouldn't
have been such a great handicap.


CU AGN, Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger


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Holger Granholm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

The conditions on 21 MHz are not the best after midnight, so it
wouldn't have been such a great handicap.

So yes it would have, because you'd have to wait till after midnight (usually around 12:30 AM) for TV to close.


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In a message on 03-08-18 Tony Langdon said to Holger Granholm:

GE AGN Tony,

The conditions on 21 MHz are not the best after midnight, so it
wouldn't have been such a great handicap.

So yes it would have, because you'd have to wait till after midnight (usually around 12:30 AM) for TV to close.

Well, there was (is) still several hours of daylight BTWN us.

BTW, how come that you don't use the 24h system? I switched to that as
soon as I started to keep a logbook, about 1951.

Today we are not required to keep a logbook but the log programs do
that anyway.

It annoys me when a TV-program is announced to start at 8:30 in the
evening ( or morning), instead of saying 20:30.


73 de Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger


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Holger Granholm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Well, there was (is) still several hours of daylight BTWN us.

True.

BTW, how come that you don't use the 24h system? I switched to that as soon as I started to keep a logbook, about 1951.

Not normal civil practice, though I do use it for a lot of things, but with certain organisations (emergency services and ham radio stuff), as well as filenames for archives.

Today we are not required to keep a logbook but the log programs do
that anyway.

I don't do DX, so keeping a log is less of an issue.

It annoys me when a TV-program is announced to start at 8:30 in the evening ( or morning), instead of saying 20:30.

Doesn't worry me either way.



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In a message on 03-12-18 Tony Langdon said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Tony,

BTW, how come that you don't use the 24h system? I switched to that

Not normal civil practice, though I do use it for a lot of things,
but with certain organisations (emergency services and ham radio
stuff), as well as filenames for archives.

Here too it's very difficult to ask normal people to use the 24h system.

Even youngsters. When one of my grandchildren was confirmed (church), I
gave her a digital wrist watch as a confirmation gift.

She turned it in and got something else from the shop it was bought from

I don't do DX, so keeping a log is less of an issue.

I have done DX as long (even before) as I've had a licence.


Have a good night,

Holger


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Holger Granholm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Here too it's very difficult to ask normal people to use the 24h
system.

Yet it makes things easier, no ambiguity with AM or PM. :)

Even youngsters. When one of my grandchildren was confirmed (church), I gave her a digital wrist watch as a confirmation gift.

She turned it in and got something else from the shop it was bought
from

Hmm, OK. so that idea didn't take. :)

I don't do DX, so keeping a log is less of an issue.

I have done DX as long (even before) as I've had a licence.

Yeah I tried it, sure, it's exciting, but not something I could do constantly, and then there's the paperwork - me and the postal system don't get along. :)


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In a message on 03-16-18 Tony Langdon said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Tony,

Here too it's very difficult to ask normal people to use the 24h
system.

Yet it makes things easier, no ambiguity with AM or PM. :)

Sure does. In swedish or finnish we don't even have the shorthands AM
and PM but have to use 'på morgonen and 'på kvällen' to tell when that
8'oclock is.

Even youngsters. When one of my grandchildren was confirmed (church),
I gave her a digital wrist watch as a confirmation gift.

Hmm, OK. so that idea didn't take. :)

Nope!

Yeah I tried it, sure, it's exciting, but not something I could do constantly, and then there's the paperwork - me and the postal
system don't get along. :)

I happened to get my license at the time of at the rising sunspot cycle
in 1951 and when I moved to the Aland Islands 1957 it, #19, reached its
record maximum.


CU L8ER,

Holger


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Orbitman wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

I've been using 24 time since before getting out of high school in
1985. Working in the radio business and dealing with transmitter logs require the 24 hr format. Since becoming a ham and working in police communications, I've continued using it. My computers, phone and
tablet all display time in it. I prefer it.

With me, it's the fire service and ham radio that gave me cause to use 24 hour time. :)


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In a message on 03-17-18 Tony Langdon said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Tony,

Sure does. In swedish or finnish we don't even have the shorthands AM
and PM but have to use 'på morgonen and 'på kvällen' to tell when that 8'oclock is.

Afterwards I recalled the shorthand FM that stands for the day before
mid-day and EM that stands for the afternoon but nothing for the morning
or evening hours.

That's getting even clumsier. :)

Yes it is especially when people usually don't use them to specify what
part of the day is meant.

I happened to get my license at the time of at the rising sunspot cycle
in 1951 and when I moved to the Aland Islands 1957 it, #19, reached its record maximum.

That was a long time before I was ever around. :)

I'm beginning to get the feeling that I've lived too long ;o)


Have a good night,

Holger


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Holger Granholm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Afterwards I recalled the shorthand FM that stands for the day before mid-day and EM that stands for the afternoon but nothing for the
morning or evening hours.

Oh, OK. So it's not like how AM means the 12 hours before midday and PM means the 12 hours after?

That's getting even clumsier. :)

Yes it is especially when people usually don't use them to specify what part of the day is meant.

Hmm

I'm beginning to get the feeling that I've lived too long ;o)

Oh dear. :)

Have a good night,

Holger

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LOL


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Holger Granholm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Yet it makes things easier, no ambiguity with AM or PM. :)

Sure does. In swedish or finnish we don't even have the shorthands AM
and PM but have to use 'på morgonen and 'på kvällen' to tell when that 8'oclock is.

That's getting even clumsier. :)

I happened to get my license at the time of at the rising sunspot cycle
in 1951 and when I moved to the Aland Islands 1957 it, #19, reached its record maximum.

That was a long time before I was ever around. :)

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True. :)


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Here too it's very difficult to ask normal people to use the 24h
system.

Yet it makes things easier, no ambiguity with AM or PM. :)

I have always prefered using 24 hour time. That may be because I have
worked in a mainframe environment for over 20 years and the job run times
are all in 24-hour format. I think I have always prefered it, though.

I find it very odd when someone cannot understand time in that format.

Here, it is also called "military time," and you can get some strange
reactions from certain types of folks if they find that you are using it.
They seem suspicious of persons they think might have been in the military
(I have not been). I have never really understood that, either.

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Mike Powell wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-

I have always prefered using 24 hour time. That may be because I have worked in a mainframe environment for over 20 years and the job run
times are all in 24-hour format. I think I have always prefered it, though.

Me too, I do most things on a compuiter in 24 hour format, and usually set my phone or PC to it too.

I find it very odd when someone cannot understand time in that format.

Yes, it's not rocket science. :)

Here, it is also called "military time," and you can get some strange reactions from certain types of folks if they find that you are using
it. They seem suspicious of persons they think might have been in the military (I have not been). I have never really understood that,
either.

Tht term has been used here, though a lot of other organisations use it too - emergency services, ham radio, etc.


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On 03/18/18, Tony Langdon said the following...

Mike Powell wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-

I have always prefered using 24 hour time. That may be because I hav worked in a mainframe environment for over 20 years and the job run times are all in 24-hour format. I think I have always prefered it, though.

I've been using 24 time since before getting out of high school in 1985. Working in the radio business and dealing with transmitter logs require the
24 hr format. Since becoming a ham and working in police communications, I've continued using it. My computers, phone and tablet all display time in it.
I prefer it.

I find it very odd when someone cannot understand time in that format

Me too.

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In a message on 03-19-18 Tony Langdon said to Holger Granholm:

Hi agn Tony,

Afterwards I recalled the shorthand FM that stands for the day before mid-day and EM that stands for the afternoon but nothing for the
morning or evening hours.

Oh, OK. So it's not like how AM means the 12 hours before midday
and PM means the 12 hours after?

No it isn't because AM (a.m. ante meridiem) is used for any time before
mid-day (12 oclock), and PM (p.m. post meridiem) for any time before
midnight.

I'm beginning to get the feeling that I've lived too long ;o)

Oh dear. :)

Well, as long as I'm not a burden on my children and other relatives
I'll keep going, hi.


CU AGN es GN,

Holger


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Holger,

Well, as long as I'm not a burden on my children and other relatives
I'll keep going, hi.

That reminds me of the joke where the preacher is talking to an
elderly Sunday School class. He asks them why do they feel that The Good
Lord has allowed each of them to live to such a ripe old age.

Without missing a beat, one old lady piped up "To test the patience of
my relatives". <G>

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Holger Granholm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

In a message on 03-19-18 Tony Langdon said to Holger Granholm:

Hi agn Tony,

Afterwards I recalled the shorthand FM that stands for the day before mid-day and EM that stands for the afternoon but nothing for the
morning or evening hours.

Oh, OK. So it's not like how AM means the 12 hours before midday
and PM means the 12 hours after?

No it isn't because AM (a.m. ante meridiem) is used for any time before mid-day (12 oclock), and PM (p.m. post meridiem) for any time before midnight.

Almost correct - "post" means after, so PM is "after midday". :) I knew that, I was just trying to make sure nothing is getting lost in translation. :-)

I'm beginning to get the feeling that I've lived too long ;o)

Oh dear. :)

Well, as long as I'm not a burden on my children and other relatives
I'll keep going, hi.

That's a reasonable approach. :)


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In a message on 03-22-18 Tony Langdon said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Tony,

No it isn't because AM (a.m. ante meridiem) is used for any time before mid-day (12 oclock), and PM (p.m. post meridiem) for any time before midnight.

Almost correct - "post" means after, so PM is "after midday". :)

Yes, actually any time between midday and midnight.

It feels a little bit odd to us because we are used to night, morning,
day, afternoon and evening before we get to the night again.

Well, as long as I'm not a burden on my children and other relatives
I'll keep going, hi.

That's a reasonable approach. :)

I hope it is.


CU AGN, Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger


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Holger Granholm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

It feels a little bit odd to us because we are used to night, morning, day, afternoon and evening before we get to the night again.

We have all those descriptors too. :)


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In a message on 03-23-18 Tony Langdon said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Tony,

It feels a little bit odd to us because we are used to night, morning, day, afternoon and evening before we get to the night again.

We have all those descriptors too. :)

Yes of course but there are any shorthand expressions like AM and PM for
them.

Off-hand I find just two shorthands in swedish, e.m. for afternoon and
f.m. for before midday (after morning).


GN es 73 de Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger


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Holger Granholm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Off-hand I find just two shorthands in swedish, e.m. for afternoon and f.m. for before midday (after morning).

We don't have those in English (at least not here), just AM and PM.


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In a message on 03-26-18 Tony Langdon said to Holger Granholm:

Good afternoon Tony.

Off-hand I find just two shorthands in swedish, e.m. for afternoon
and f.m. for before midday (after morning).

We don't have those in English (at least not here), just AM and PM.

Yes I know.


CU L8ER, Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger


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