Hi all!

Trying to compile EleBBS from source for OS/2 from VP/2 2.1 and was
wondering if anyone else had attempted to do that other than Scott
Little by any chance and if so, what did you do to successfully make
a VP21 build?

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Hello Robert!

09 Jun 17 18:50, you wrote to all:

Trying to compile EleBBS from source for OS/2 from VP/2 2.1 and was wondering if anyone else had attempted to do that other than Scott
Little by any chance and if so, what did you do to successfully make
a VP21 build?

It's been a while, but I have built EleBBS/OS2 with VP. I will check out my OS/2 machine; I believe I still have the build environment in place.

Andrew

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* In a message originally to Robert Wolfe, Andrew Leary said:

It's been a while, but I have built EleBBS/OS2 with VP. I will check out my
OS/2 machine; I believe I still have the build environment in place.

Ok, thanks. I have been having an issue with TELSERV.EXE not
disconnecting calls properly after supposedly timing out, so going to
try and see how well it runs over VMODEM.EXE. Pretty much choppier
than when run with the included telnet server, which often crashes
when trying to do a block function on a non blocking piece of code.

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On 6/9/2017 6:50 PM, Robert Wolfe wrote to All:

Trying to compile EleBBS from source for OS/2 from VP/2 2.1 and was wondering if anyone else had attempted to do that other than Scott
Little by any chance and if so, what did you do to successfully make
a VP21 build?

Seems like ELeBBS might be the best OS/2 freeware bbs package at the moment.

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* In a message originally to Robert Wolfe, Matthew Munson said:

Seems like ELeBBS might be the best OS/2 freeware bbs package at the moment.

Then there is Telegard/2 which is pretty decent. VMODEM.EXE under
SIO2k doesn't agree with it totally though, so that's why it's best
to run it behind a mailer like SGMail/2.

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Matthew Munson wrote to Robert Wolfe <=-

Seems like ELeBBS might be the best OS/2 freeware bbs package at the moment.

There's several excellent OS/2-based BBS software packages. It all depends
on what you want to do with your BBS and how you want to approach doing what you want.

-- Sean


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Hello Andrew.

10 Jun 17 00:17, you wrote to me:

Trying to compile EleBBS from source for OS/2 from VP/2 2.1 and
was wondering if anyone else had attempted to do that other than
Scott Little by any chance and if so, what did you do to
successfully make a VP21 build?

It's been a while, but I have built EleBBS/OS2 with VP. I will check
out my OS/2 machine; I believe I still have the build environment in place.

Yeah, I can get some of the VPI's to compile, but I keep getting the runaround with term terminal and mkopen units want to compile and when I go to compile one, it wants to compile the other in a never-ending circle. Perhaps we should
take this discussion over to one of the RA echos?

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Hello Matthew.

11 Jun 17 14:00, you wrote to me:

Seems like ELeBBS might be the best OS/2 freeware bbs package at the moment.

Not necessarily. There is Telegard/2.

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ROBERT WOLFE wrote to MATTHEW MUNSON <=-

Seems like ELeBBS might be the best OS/2 freeware bbs package at the moment.

Not necessarily. There is Telegard/2.

Simply the Best! Although I have never even looked at EleBBS. Maybe I
will someday.

Kev

--- Telegard/2/QWK v3.09.g2-sp4/mL
* Origin: Razor's Domain/2 BBS (1:19/50.1)

Not necessarily. There is Telegard/2.

There is a chance that Mystic 1.12 will have an OS/2 version again as well

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* In a message originally to Robert Wolfe, James Coyle said:

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Not necessarily. There is Telegard/2.

There is a chance that Mystic 1.12 will have an OS/2 version again as well

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Heh, is that a hint you need an alpha/beta tester for it? :) Also,
if that's the case and you are on FaceBook, I am the admin of a
(quite) active OS/2 Warp Users group there that you would be welcomed
to join. :) Quite a few big names in OS/2 there :) Ray Gwinn being
one of those who lurks :)

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If the OS/2 port of Mystic will still support JAM format message
bases so I can keep my current FastEcho 1.46.1 configuration, that
would be great :)

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On 2017 Jun 15 19:10:00, you wrote to James Coyle:

If the OS/2 port of Mystic will still support JAM format message bases
so I can keep my current FastEcho 1.46.1 configuration, that would be great :)

mystic supports only the JAM message base, AFAIK... squish was removed in 1.11...

)\/(ark

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* In a message originally to Robert Wolfe, mark lewis said:

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On 2017 Jun 15 19:10:00, you wrote to James Coyle:

If the OS/2 port of Mystic will still support JAM format message

bases

so I can keep my current FastEcho 1.46.1 configuration, that would be great :)

mystic supports only the JAM message base, AFAIK... squish was removed in 1.11...

)\/(ark

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Ah, ok. Very cool, then.

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Heh, is that a hint you need an alpha/beta tester for it? :) Also,

You are more than welcome to test it, should I get something working. :)

Its still in the very early stages and to support it fully I need to have a reliable way to move the source code into and out of an OS/2 environment. I am (slowly) working out all of the kinks though, and hopefully I can get what I need to feel confident supporting an OS/2 version again.

I haven't really been active on Facebook in many many years. I just haven't had time to get sucked into that social media world again, but maybe I will have more time soon. If I do I would gladly join up.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A34 (Windows/32)
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If the OS/2 port of Mystic will still support JAM format message
bases so I can keep my current FastEcho 1.46.1 configuration, that
would be great :)

Yep, it would. It's not going to be much different than the Windows version.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A34 (Windows/32)
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* In a message originally to Robert Wolfe, James Coyle said:

You are more than welcome to test it, should I get something working. :)

Its still in the very early stages and to support it fully I need to have
a
reliable way to move the source code into and out of an OS/2 environment. I am
(slowly) working out all of the kinks though, and hopefully I can get what I
need to feel confident supporting an OS/2 version again.

I haven't really been active on Facebook in many many years. I just haven't
had time to get sucked into that social media world again, but maybe I
will
have more time soon. If I do I would gladly join up.

Cool. Will the OS/2 version support serial I/O? I would still love
to be able to use SGMail/2 with it if at all possible :)

--- EleBBS/OS2 v20120208.d
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JAMES COYLE wrote to ROBERT WOLFE <=-

Heh, is that a hint you need an alpha/beta tester for it? :) Also,

You are more than welcome to test it, should I get something working.
:)

I could do some testing as well. I run Mystic on an Pi, and also run
this TG/2 setup on an OS/2 box, but I could setup something to test an OS/2 version of Mystic.

Kev

--- Telegard/2/QWK v3.09.g2-sp4/mL
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Cool. Will the OS/2 version support serial I/O? I would still love
to be able to use SGMail/2 with it if at all possible :)

Hmmm probably not. Its not out of the question but the first version would be a port of the Windows version, which relies on 3rd party software for dialup.

I don't have a modem and phone lines to be able to test and maintain modem support, so I leave that up to mgetty, sexpots, or whatever software a person would want to use depending on OS.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A34 (Windows/32)
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Robert Wolfe wrote to Matthew Munson <=-

Then there is Telegard/2 which is pretty decent.

There's a name from the past. Is anyone running it online that I can
check out?




... How does this work, is there an orientation?
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* In a message originally to Robert Wolfe, Kurt Weiske said:

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Robert Wolfe wrote to Matthew Munson <=-

Then there is Telegard/2 which is pretty decent.

There's a name from the past. Is anyone running it online that I can
check out?

I WAS running it for a while before switching to EleBBS :)

--- EleBBS/OS2 v20120208.d
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Kurt Weiske wrote to Robert Wolfe <=-

Then there is Telegard/2 which is pretty decent.

There's a name from the past. Is anyone running it online that I can
check out?

I am running it here, bbs.razorsdomain.com:23230

Kev


... DalekDOS v(overflow): (I)Obey (V)ision impaired (E)xterminate
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RE: EleBBS/OS2
BY: mark lewis(1:3634/12.73)

mystic supports only the JAM message base, AFAIK... squish was removed in

What makes Squish not as viable in the bbs world?
→

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On 2017 Jun 17 15:42:36, you wrote to me:

mystic supports only the JAM message base, AFAIK... squish was removed

What makes Squish not as viable in the bbs world?

squish has a few drawbacks to it that are, in general, ok but lead to problems in some cases... the message timestamp format being one of those... messages stored in a SQUish base have their message timestamps adjusted to an even number... this can cause a problem in dupe detection... especially if there's no MSGID in the message... possibly again if a system does a rescan and the posts are all sent out to its links...

there's also the limited number of reply linking slots... there's only 10 slots, IIRC, but there may be more than 10 responses to a post so the reply linking can get broken at some point...

there was something else, i think, but i can't recall it right now... in any case, the author of mystic removed SQUish support for several reasons... one was memory footprint... another was to make coding easier and not have to worry
about how each message base format works... there was possibly another one or two, as well... it has been a while but i think these were the two main ones...

)\/(ark

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mystic supports only the JAM message base, AFAIK... squish was removed

What makes Squish not as viable in the bbs world?

Squish has some limitations when it comes to things like reply linking. Some may consider JAM more flexible because of the way it stores "sub-data" about the messages rather than having a static message header.

JAM is also more widely supported than Squish in 3rd party utilities.

In the case of Mystic, it was removed simply because no one was using it.

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* In a message originally to Kurt Weiske, Kevin Nunn said:

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Kurt Weiske wrote to Robert Wolfe <=-

Then there is Telegard/2 which is pretty decent.

There's a name from the past. Is anyone running it online that I can check out?

I am running it here, bbs.razorsdomain.com:23230

Kev

Added it to my mTel directory. :)

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Hello James,

15 Jun 17 13:59 at you wrote to Robert Wolfe:

There is a chance that Mystic 1.12 will have an OS/2 version again as
well

I have a working Virtualbox setup for OS/2 Warp 4.52 around here somewhere if you need it for testing. Let me know directly if you need help with configuring/setting up OS/2.

Later,
Sean

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* In a message originally to James Coyle, Sean Dennis said:

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Hello James,

15 Jun 17 13:59 at you wrote to Robert Wolfe:

There is a chance that Mystic 1.12 will have an OS/2 version again as well

I have a working Virtualbox setup for OS/2 Warp 4.52 around here somewhere if
you need it for testing. Let me know directly if you need help with configuring/setting up OS/2.

Later,
Sean

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Or he could just ask in the OS2 echo :P

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Or he could just ask in the OS2 echo :P

My problem has always been that I need to get it running in a VMware with working TCP/IP, and it must be able to recognize a USB stick or drive (or have some way to access a drive from a Windows machine).

I haven't been able to get this to work well in the past.

Even ArcaOS doesn't seem to work with USB sticks in VMware out of the box from what I understand, but maybe it could be a better starting point than the old Warp or eCS.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A34 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Sector 7 [Mystic BBS WHQ] (1:129/215)

On 2017 Jun 21 13:56:18, you wrote to James Coyle:

There is a chance that Mystic 1.12 will have an OS/2 version again as
well

I have a working Virtualbox setup for OS/2 Warp 4.52 around here
somewhere if you need it for testing. Let me know directly if you
need help with configuring/setting up OS/2.

do you know of a way to convert it to a QEMU image to run on kubuntu 14.04.5? i
know there are some converter tools out there but that's as much as i know...

)\/(ark

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* In a message originally to Robert Wolfe, James Coyle said:

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Or he could just ask in the OS2 echo :P

My problem has always been that I need to get it running in a VMware with working TCP/IP, and it must be able to recognize a USB stick or drive (or have
some way to access a drive from a Windows machine).

I haven't been able to get this to work well in the past.

Even ArcaOS doesn't seem to work with USB sticks in VMware out of the box from
what I understand, but maybe it could be a better starting point than the old
Warp or eCS.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A34 (Windows/32)
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Same thing with ArcaOS and Oracle VirtualBox. However, I do a a
Working Warp 4.52 Server for eBusines with a working TCP/IP stack,
SIO 1.60d and VMODEM set up in an OVA I could make available if need
be. :)

--- EleBBS/OS2 v20120208.d
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* In a message originally to Sean Dennis, mark lewis said:

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15 22

On 2017 Jun 21 13:56:18, you wrote to James Coyle:

There is a chance that Mystic 1.12 will have an OS/2 version again

as

well

I have a working Virtualbox setup for OS/2 Warp 4.52 around here somewhere if you need it for testing. Let me know directly if you
need help with configuring/setting up OS/2.

do you know of a way to convert it to a QEMU image to run on kubuntu 14.04.5? i know there are some converter tools out there but that's as
much as i know...

)\/(ark

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doin' it wrong...
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Or just install the Linux version of Virtual Box :)

--- EleBBS/OS2 v20120208.d
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Same thing with ArcaOS and Oracle VirtualBox. However, I do a a
Working Warp 4.52 Server for eBusines with a working TCP/IP stack,
SIO 1.60d and VMODEM set up in an OVA I could make available if need
be. :)

Thank you for the offer without USB I am not sure it'd be helpful at the moment. Its the lack of reliable way to move source code around that has been the biggest issue for me.

I'll try to spend some more time with it soon.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A34 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Sector 7 [Mystic BBS WHQ] (1:129/215)

On 2017 Jun 22 18:24:00, you wrote to me:

do you know of a way to convert it to a QEMU image to run on kubuntu
14.04.5? i know there are some converter tools out there but that's as
much as i know...

Or just install the Linux version of Virtual Box :)

i don't do virtualbox... my stuff is QEMU/KVM... it is kinda like english leather... it is that or nothing at all ;)

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On 2017 Jun 22 20:50:48, you wrote to Robert Wolfe:

Same thing with ArcaOS and Oracle VirtualBox. However, I do a a
Working Warp 4.52 Server for eBusines with a working TCP/IP stack,
SIO 1.60d and VMODEM set up in an OVA I could make available if need
be. :)

Thank you for the offer without USB I am not sure it'd be helpful at the moment. Its the lack of reliable way to move source code around that has been the biggest issue for me.

i move source code for several FPC projects via FTP all the time... i push the sources over to the OS/2 box from a box where a repo is... i compile and test on the OS/2 box... make changes and whathaveyou as needed... then i pull everything back over into the repo which then pushes to the other repos... i could just as easily do it with a zip file and transfer that back and forth... i don't understand why some find this so hard to do but maybe i'm doing something wrong??

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i move source code for several FPC projects via FTP all the time... i
push the sources over to the OS/2 box from a box where a repo is... i compile and test on the OS/2 box... make changes and whathaveyou as

I did consider this option and this may be what I will end up doing... But..

What client do you use on the OS/2 side? I wasn't able to find one that was reliable. It was either unreliable or so outdated that it didn't seem to play nice with a modern FTP server (like it didn't even support passive FTP).

I was considering making my own FTP client and server using Mystic's FTP code just to move code over, but I never got around to doing it.

Thanks for the feedback!

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A34 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Sector 7 [Mystic BBS WHQ] (1:129/215)

On 2017 Jun 23 08:33:46, you wrote to me:

i move source code for several FPC projects via FTP all the time... i
push the sources over to the OS/2 box from a box where a repo is... i
compile and test on the OS/2 box... make changes and whathaveyou as

I did consider this option and this may be what I will end up doing... But..

What client do you use on the OS/2 side?

i don't... i run the ftpser ftp server and use clients from linux (eg: mc) and winwhatever if i happen to work on one any more...

I was considering making my own FTP client and server using Mystic's
FTP code just to move code over, but I never got around to doing it.

now that's an idea ;)

Thanks for the feedback!

you're welcome :)

)\/(ark

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James Coyle wrote to Robert Wolfe <=-

Thank you for the offer without USB I am not sure it'd be helpful at
the moment. Its the lack of reliable way to move source code around
that has been the biggest issue for me.

There is always FTP, which is what I use on my internal network to move
stuff around.

Kev

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* In a message originally to Robert Wolfe, James Coyle said:

Thank you for the offer without USB I am not sure it'd be helpful at the moment. Its the lack of reliable way to move source code around that has been
the biggest issue for me.

I'll try to spend some more time with it soon.

Why not set up an FTP server on the OS/2 VM and then just copy your
code over to the /2 VM in a ZIPped file via FTP?

--- EleBBS/OS2 v20120208.d
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Robert Wolfe wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

Or he could just ask in the OS2 echo :P

What's the difference? This echo is for general BBS chat and it's on topic. Besides, it seems I'm the only one who's ever magically gotten OS/2 to work right in VB for some damn reason.

Quit with the "moving traffic to another echo" posts in here. That's
annoying.

--Sean

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mark lewis wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

do you know of a way to convert it to a QEMU image to run on kubuntu 14.04.5? i know there are some converter tools out there but that's as much as i know...

I've never used QEMU, sorry.

--Sean


--- MultiMail/Linux
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James Coyle wrote to Robert Wolfe <=-

My problem has always been that I need to get it running in a VMware
with working TCP/IP, and it must be able to recognize a USB stick or
drive (or have some way to access a drive from a Windows machine).
I haven't been able to get this to work well in the past.

(getting on my soapbox) ArcaOS is just Warp 4.52 with SNAP drivers
installed. Don't bother wasting your money. For a BBS, it's overkill.
Right now, it's mainly just window dressing on eCS. A lot of the issues
with the kernel haven't been addressed and ArcaOS is still a single-user OS. While it's a good start, there's a long way to go to earn my money for such
a high price tag for an old OS (IMNSHO and a 20 year veteran of running
OS/2).

As you've seen, getting OS/2 of any strip to work with USB sticks can be a frustrating experience.

That reason (amongst many others) is why I gave up on OS/2 and moved to
Linux. I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for OS/2 though. If it magically was updated to modern standards without having to put in all of
these extra drivers yourself externally, it'd be great. (Okay, off my
soapbox now.)

Getting Peer Networking (SMB) to work under Warp 4 is fun because there's
bugs in the setup. It's actually not too hard to fix. It works much better than trying to get USB sticks to work though I accidentally somehow got it
to recognize my old 500GB WD My Book external drive (USB 2.0) a few times.

Fair warning: if you're using Windows 10, you're going to do some hacking
with the Windows registry to get its SMB to work with Warp's SMB unless you want to go through the time and effort of installing a ported version of
Samba on your Warp system.

This is the website I first used back in the 90s to get things going and it still applies to OS/2 Warp 4+. I believe this "bug" was fixed in eCS and
hence ArcaOS.

https://stuff.mit.edu/activities/os2/peer/WARPPEER.HTM

Make sure you have the networking in the VM set to passthru, not bridged.

I hope this helps. If this doesn't make sense or you have questions, you
can let me know here or via email at sysop at outpostbbs dot net.

If absolute worse case happens, I can make a fresh VB or VMware Player VM
for you of OS/2.

From my experience, getting Warp to run in a VM is a bit of a bitch. Warp's always done better on real hardware but if you really want to do it, you can get Warp to behave under a VM, but be prepared to put a lot of time and
effort into doing so. I am not trying to discourage you from doing this as Mystic under OS/2 would be a very welcome addition but just giving you a heads-up, that's all.

-- Sean

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That reason (amongst many others) is why I gave up on OS/2 and moved to Linux. I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for OS/2 though. If it

It was a pretty exciting OS at the time. I'm a pretty big fan of Ubuntu Linux these days. I don't run it full time only because I still like to play a few games on my Windows machine.

This is the website I first used back in the 90s to get things going and it still applies to OS/2 Warp 4+. I believe this "bug" was fixed in eCS and hence ArcaOS.

https://stuff.mit.edu/activities/os2/peer/WARPPEER.HTM

Thank you very much, this seems super helpful. I'll take a look at it
sometime in the near future and see what I can make of it!

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Sean Dennis wrote to James Coyle <=-

James Coyle wrote to Robert Wolfe <=-

(getting on my soapbox) ArcaOS is just Warp 4.52 with SNAP drivers installed. Don't bother wasting your money. For a BBS, it's overkill. Right now, it's mainly just window dressing on eCS. A lot of the
issues with the kernel haven't been addressed and ArcaOS is still a single-user OS. While it's a good start, there's a long way to go to
earn my money for such a high price tag for an old OS (IMNSHO and a 20 year veteran of running OS/2).

Sean, get a bigger soapbox because everything you said is BS, except
for maybe the 20 year veteran of running OS/2. But again, some of us
have ran it even longer.

Kev


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* In a message originally to Robert Wolfe, Sean Dennis said:

Or he could just ask in the OS2 echo :P

What's the difference? This echo is for general BBS chat and it's on topic.
Besides, it seems I'm the only one who's ever magically gotten OS/2 to
work
right in VB for some damn reason.

Quit with the "moving traffic to another echo" posts in here. That's annoying.

10-4.


What problems are you having getting OS/2 to run in VirtualBox? If
you want, I can send you my OVA file for WSEB an VB if you would
like.

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On 2017 Jun 26 22:50:48, you wrote to Sean Dennis:

(getting on my soapbox) ArcaOS is just Warp 4.52 with SNAP drivers
installed. Don't bother wasting your money. For a BBS, it's
overkill. Right now, it's mainly just window dressing on eCS. A lot
of the issues with the kernel haven't been addressed and ArcaOS is
still a single-user OS. While it's a good start, there's a long way
to go to earn my money for such a high price tag for an old OS
(IMNSHO and a 20 year veteran of running OS/2).

Sean, get a bigger soapbox because everything you said is BS, except
for maybe the 20 year veteran of running OS/2. But again, some of us
have ran it even longer.

i doubt that you've run ArcaOS for over a year... seane is pretty much on the button, though... ArcaOS is just Warp 4 with some (more?) window dressing... eCS is nothing more than Warp 4 with window dressing but there's also some more
*nix type additions... i don't know if ArcaOS has as much, though... i've not seen it yet but i do run eCS and do plan to get ArcaOS and see how it runs... i
also know quite a few of the ArcaOS folks and have for many years...

what you're talking about ""running longer" is simply OS/2... i've been running
Warp 3 Connect since it was released... i ordered it while at COMDEX ATLANTA and was already running OS/2 v2 before hand...

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i doubt that you've run ArcaOS for over a year... seane is pretty much

I never said I'd been running ArcaOS for over a year, I was refering to Sean saying he is an OS/2 veteran of 20 years. I started running OS/2 on 2.1 (for windows) which was 93 or so, so more than 20 years.

as much, though... i've not seen it yet but i do run eCS and do plan to get ArcaOS and see how it runs... i also know quite a few of the ArcaOS folks and have for many years...

So, both of you can comment on what ArcaOS is and isn't, even though you have never run it and don't own it? Impressive.

Kev

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On 2017 Jun 27 06:14:16, you wrote to me:

i doubt that you've run ArcaOS for over a year... seane is pretty much

I never said I'd been running ArcaOS for over a year, I was refering to Sean saying he is an OS/2 veteran of 20 years. I started running OS/2 on 2.1 (for windows) which was 93 or so, so more than 20 years.

ok but the statement didn't read that way... it read several different ways which is why i wrote what i did ;)

as much, though... i've not seen it yet but i do run eCS and do plan
to get ArcaOS and see how it runs... i also know quite a few of the
ArcaOS folks and have for many years...

So, both of you can comment on what ArcaOS is and isn't, even though
you have never run it and don't own it? Impressive.

it is impressive isn't it? ;) the fact remains that there's no newer base than
the Warp 4 stuff... IBM won't give it out to anyone for further development... Warp 4 is the last that can be done... everything else is all the additional stuffs... think of it like linux... you have the kernel (Warp 4 in this case) and all the additional tools (GNU)... the kernel won't be updated further but the tools and accessories can/will...

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MARK LEWIS wrote to KEVIN NUNN <=-

On 2017 Jun 27 06:14:16, you wrote to me:

it is impressive isn't it? ;) the fact remains that there's no newer
base than
the Warp 4 stuff... IBM won't give it out to anyone for further development...

Base? Yes, it is 4.5 with patches to the kernel. But, it does have new
drivers, new installation programs. In my experience, it runs faster
than 4.5 and eCS. USB drives do work out of the box. Samba does work
out of the box. All of which Sean was saying didn't work.

Warp 4 is the last that can be done... everything else is all the additional stuffs... think of it like linux... you have the kernel
(Warp 4 in this case) and all the additional tools (GNU)... the kernel won't be updated further but the tools and accessories can/will...

I am aware of this and I agree, this time they have patched the
kernel, but I am not sure to what extent.

But Sean's point was that Acra is just a re-release of OS/2 4.5. Which
it is not. They have made improvements over 4.5 and from what I
understand, they started with 4.5 and not eCS. So it's not a redo of
eCS either.

And I'll say yes, there is problems with ArcaOS, of course there is,
just like any other OS. Will ArcaOS be 64bit or Multiuser? No, probably
not. But it works great for a BBS and if someone spends $200-500 on a
computer to run it on, I don't see how a $100 Operation System is a
"high price tag".

I realize we are way off topic and I am sorry for that, but I didn't
make the first post LOL.

Kev


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James Coyle wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

It was a pretty exciting OS at the time. I'm a pretty big fan of
Ubuntu Linux these days. I don't run it full time only because I still like to play a few games on my Windows machine.

I run Slackware full time both as my personal OS and what I run my BBS
under. It's a personal decision as I get very frustrated that I can't get under the hood of Windows quite as easy as I can Linux. ;) I'm not really a gamer but oddly enough, there's not a whole ton of amateur radio software
under Linux--mainly because the radio manufacturers haven't made a lot of
their proprietary stuff open source--but what there is available is pretty
high quality stuff.

Thank you very much, this seems super helpful. I'll take a look at it sometime in the near future and see what I can make of it!

There's a few differences IIRC but nothing that can cause any real problems. Basically you'll need to modify IBMLAN.INI and PROTOCOL.INI then modify the MPTS settings. You don't have to reboot but from experience, I'd recommend doing so.

You can use x:\tcpip\bin\tcpexit.cmd (IIRC) to bring an entire BBS system online via that CMD file also (I'm sure you know that already though).

-- Sean

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Kevin Nunn wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

Sean, get a bigger soapbox because everything you said is BS, except
for maybe the 20 year veteran of running OS/2. But again, some of us
have ran it even longer.

Okay, boss, you tell me when it's a true multi-user operating system and
with an actual 64-bit kernel.

Until then, it's Warp 4.52 with window dressing.

Prove me wrong.

-- Sean

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Kevin Nunn wrote to mark lewis <=-

So, both of you can comment on what ArcaOS is and isn't, even though
you have never run it and don't own it? Impressive.

I never said I haven't run it, Kevin. I've given ArcaOS a good spin around
the block already. I didn't realize that I had to explain myself to you.

Just because the facts I presented don't fit your narrative of what you
think ArcaOS is that doesn't give you the right to attack me.

If you want to go start an OS war, do it somewhere else and not in here.

-- Sean

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Kevin Nunn wrote to Mark Lewis <=-

But Sean's point was that Acra is just a re-release of OS/2 4.5. Which
it is not. They have made improvements over 4.5 and from what I understand, they started with 4.5 and not eCS. So it's not a redo of
eCS either.

It is a re-release with window dressing because the core of OS/2 has not
been changed. That was my point, is my point, and will continue to be my point.

ArcaOS has built on to OS/2 and eCS (since ArcaOS contains eCS-derived features) but everything that has been done has not changed the fact that
ALL of the OS/2 derivatives are still single-user 32-bit operating systems. That may have been good 10-15 years ago but for a modern OS, ArcaOS isn't cutting it except for specialty uses.

So now, since this seems to be a sensitive subject, this discussion is over
in this echo. If you wish to continue, you can netmail me.

-- Sean

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JAMES COYLE wrote to ROBERT WOLFE <=-

If the OS/2 port of Mystic will still support JAM format message
bases so I can keep my current FastEcho 1.46.1 configuration, that
would be great :)

Yep, it would. It's not going to be much different than the Windows version.

So are we ever going to see an OS/2 port? :)

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Robert Wolfe wrote to James Coyle <=-

So are we ever going to see an OS/2 port? :)

I believe he needs a working OS/2 machine first.

... "Se voc+ n+o fosse t+o egixente..." - Intruder, 1+
Encont --- MultiMail/OS2
v0.51

This is how the end of that message appeared on my system.

Later,
Sean


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Robert Wolfe wrote to James Coyle <=-

So are we ever going to see an OS/2 port? :)

I believe he needs a working OS/2 machine first.

... "Se voc+ n+o fosse t+o egixente..." - Intruder, 1+
Encont --- MultiMail/OS2
v0.51

This is how the end of that message appeared on my system.

Later,
Sean

... When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.
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Odd.


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Sean Dennis wrote to Robert Wolfe <=-

Robert Wolfe wrote to James Coyle <=-

So are we ever going to see an OS/2 port? :)

I believe he needs a working OS/2 machine first.

Or even a working OS/2 VM, which I am sure someone can provide :)

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Hi Robert,

Or even a working OS/2 VM, which I am sure someone can provide :)

I have one available for download at outpostbbs.net.

Later,
Sean


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Hi Robert,

Or even a working OS/2 VM, which I am sure someone can provide :)

I have one available for download at outpostbbs.net.

OS/2 or something else? ;)
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OS/2 Warp 4.52.



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