Robert Todd (1:3407/4) wrote to Steven Horn at 15:06 on 18 Mar 2003:

Steven, still trying to connect to your board but still getting a CONNECTION REFUSED message.

Apart from the fact that you never gave me your domain address, my
system is *NOT* a BBS. It does have a IREX BinkP server active and
e-mail can be me at several addresses but in all other respects it
is a sealed system.

Take care,

Steven Horn (steven_a_horn@yahoo.ca)
Moderator, ALASKA_CHAT
-!- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+
* Origin: northof60.tzo.com, Whitehorse, YT, Canada (1:17/67)

I made that mistake, as well !
A couple of things that I have seen other boards do:

* Origin: northof60.tzo.com mailer, Whitehorse,YT, Canada (1:17/67)

* Origin: binkp.northof60.tzo.com, Whitehorse, YT, Canada (1:17/67)

I believe that Swills BBS took the former approach when it switched to a
mailer only status. (It may have switched back by now.)

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Winston Smith (1:323/120) wrote to Steven Horn at 02:54 on 20 Mar 2003:

I made that mistake, as well !
A couple of things that I have seen other boards do:

* Origin: northof60.tzo.com mailer, Whitehorse,YT, Canada
(1:17/67)

* Origin: binkp.northof60.tzo.com, Whitehorse, YT, Canada
(1:17/67)

I believe that Swills BBS took the former approach when it switched
to a mailer only status. (It may have switched back by now.)

A nodelist listing is supposed to be FTSC compliant and although part of my listing is problematic, the domain name listed in the system name is not. If I
wanted to run under another name, I could by using the IBN: field and I may consider that. But what is there is FTSC compliant and I see no immediate reason to change it.

Take care,

Steven Horn (steven_a_horn@yahoo.ca)
Moderator, ALASKA_CHAT
--- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+
* Origin: northof60.tzo.com, Whitehorse, YT, Canada (1:17/67)

No! No! No!
I'm not talking about the node list listing....
I am talking about the Mailer Footer!
Sorry! I forgot that those are added by the outgoing mailer and not
actually seen by the poster.... My mistake. I should have been more
explicit. I do not expect the FidoNET nodelisting to be *ACCURATE* ... especially in Zone 1 ! It hasn't been accurate since the late '80s!
I think you use timEd ... hold on a minute while I paste in the footer:

-!- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+
* Origin: northof60.tzo.com, Whitehorse, YT, Canada (1:17/67)

The word 'mailer' and 'binkp' are just suggestions....
Why does Michel always assume that I am Charles or you, and now I guess
you assume that I am Michel. I am *only* making a suggestion. From the
mailer footer above I assumed the posting came from a BBS. I am not
asking you to do a blessed thing; I am merely citing an example of how
Phil Simpson's "Swills" system does it. I wasted an entire month trying
to connect to "Write By Night" and I wasted a month of my time before
that trying to connect to "Sparkys". Both were HTTP mailers, but this
was noted exactly *NOWHERE* in their postings or their listings or their footers. Why did I assume that they were BBSes ? Because my
neighborhood nodelist 1:322/* list M.S.I. Code-Runner TBBS, a board that
hasn't been up for over a decade! It lists an NC of "The Software
Exchange", a Sysop who has been living on the opposite coast for nine
months! It lists "The Caldron", whose Sysop had a heart attack and took
his board down two years ago! Lost Crypt lists a phone line when the
BBS has been telnet only for the past three years. Nobody seems to care
if a board is up or down, they just want the regional votes apparently.
When a BBS doesn't behave as expected from the nodelist information, I
can not take the results as gospel. How do I determine if a posted
footer is a mailer or a BBS ? The FidoNET node listing is no help. The entries are not individually date stamped and the information in Zone 1
is inaccurate! The Postmaster and the Sysop each have to give me a
clue, because I am not going to get it from the stale nodelist
entries....

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Winston Smith (1:323/120) wrote to Steven Horn at 03:16 on 21 Mar 2003:

I'm not talking about the node list listing....
I am talking about the Mailer Footer!

I just figured that out.:-)

Sorry! I forgot that those are added by the outgoing mailer and
not actually seen by the poster.... My mistake. I should have

Since my messages are the only ones that are generated on my system, I am well aware of what they say.:-)

been more explicit. I do not expect the FidoNET nodelisting to be *ACCURATE* ... especially in Zone 1 ! It hasn't been accurate
since the late '80s! I think you use timEd ... hold on a minute

I would not over-generalize as dead systems do get pitched.

while I paste in the footer:

-!- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+

timEd is my reader/editor. I've been using it now for a decade and still like it.

* Origin: northof60.tzo.com, Whitehorse, YT, Canada (1:17/67)

Which gives you the details of the system from which the message originates.

Yours looks like this:

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