Hi All...

What's everyone using for Offline mail readers these days? I want one that I can use in Windows, I find the old text ones to be kind of clunky because a lot
of the messages I post are log snippets and news from other sites, therefore the cut and paste in Windows is nice....

I can handle Blue Wave or Qwk, so eithr is OK.

Free is a nice price, but I don't mind paying a few bucks for a decent program.

Any pointers?

Thanks!




- Jon
MFWIC; The HeatSink BBS
Calgary, Alberta, Canada, eh?

--- MBSE BBS v0.61.4 (GNU/Linux-i386)
* Origin: telnet://TheHeatsinkBBS.ca -=Calgary,AB,Canada =- (1:134/703)

On 01 Sep 04 04:27:34, Jon Watson got back to All

Re: Offline Mail Reader

What's everyone using for Offline mail readers these days? I want one
that I can use in Windows, I find the old text ones to be kind of
clunky because a lot
of the messages I post are log snippets and news from other sites, therefore the cut and paste in Windows is nice....

I can handle Blue Wave or Qwk, so eithr is OK.

BW has a WIN version.

Any pointers?

Try the BLUEWAVE Echo!



... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message."
--- OMX/Blue Wave/DOS v2.30
* Origin: Soundly on the Fault Line (1:393/9005.30)

Re: Offline Mail Reader
By: Jon Watson to All on Wed Sep 01 2004 09:27 am

What's everyone using for Offline mail readers these days? I want one that I can use in Windows, I find the old text ones to be kind of clunky because a lot
of the messages I post are log snippets and news from other sites, therefore the cut and paste in Windows is nice....

I can handle Blue Wave or Qwk, so eithr is OK.

Free is a nice price, but I don't mind paying a few bucks for a decent program.

Any pointers?

With most decent BBSes today supporting NNTP (as well as QWK), I usually just use an NNTP News Reader (e.g. Outlook Express). :-)

digital man

Snapple "Real Fact" #109:
Smelling apples and/or bananas can help you loose weight.

Hi Rob,
On <Tue, 31 Aug 04>, you wrote me:

With most decent BBSes today supporting NNTP (as well as QWK), I
usually just use an NNTP News Reader (e.g. Outlook Express). :-)

Are you trying to insinuate something about my BBS? :)

I actually stumbled across this OLR called SemPoint. I've never heard of it, but man is it neat. Rather than just doing the old "get a packet, read a packet, save reply packet" deal, it builds a message base on my computer. Every packet I download gets added to the existing messages, so that I can reference old messages right in the program. It's got a ton of options that I like, handles BW/QWK and some other types. All in all pretty neat.

Of course, everything looks neat in the beginning, we'll see how it turns out :)

-Jon
MFWIC, The HeatSink BBS
Calgary, Alberta, Canada, eh?!

* SeM. 2.26 * Astronauts are out to launch.
--- SemPoint
* Origin: telnet://TheHeatsinkBBS.ca -=Calgary,AB,Canada =- (1:134/703)

What's everyone using for Offline mail readers
these days? I want one that I can use in Windows,
I find the old text ones to be kind of clunky
because a lot of the messages I post are log
snippets and news from other sites, therefore the
cut and paste in Windows is nice....

I can handle Blue Wave or Qwk, so eithr is OK.

Free is a nice price, but I don't mind paying a
few bucks for a decent program.

Any pointers?

multimail seems to be quite decent... i've used it a few times...

http://multimail.sourceforge.net/

it runs on several platforms, natively, and handles several offline mail formats, too...

)\/(ark


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Re: Offline Mail Reader
By: Jon Watson to Rob Swindell on Wed Sep 01 2004 09:05 pm

On <Tue, 31 Aug 04>, you wrote me:

With most decent BBSes today supporting NNTP (as well as QWK), I usually just use an NNTP News Reader (e.g. Outlook Express). :-)

Are you trying to insinuate something about my BBS? :)

No, I was just letting you know that QWK isn't the only "offline reader" format in use by BBS users today.

I actually stumbled across this OLR called SemPoint. I've never heard of it, but man is it neat. Rather than just doing the old "get a packet, read a packet, save reply packet" deal, it builds a message base on my computer. Every packet I download gets added to the existing messages, so that I can reference old messages right in the program. It's got a ton of options that like, handles BW/QWK and some other types. All in all pretty neat.

Of course, everything looks neat in the beginning, we'll see how it turns ou :)

Cool. I think OLMR used to do something similar (save and index all .QWK packets), but it's been a long time. :-)

digital man

Snapple "Real Fact" #160:
One alternate title that had been considered for NBC's hit "Friends" was "Insomnia Cafe."

Hi All...

What's everyone using for Offline mail readers these days? I want one that I

>can use in Windows, I find the old text ones to be kind of clunky because a
>lot
>of the messages I post are log snippets and news from other sites, therefore
>the cut and paste in Windows is nice....

I can handle Blue Wave or Qwk, so eithr is OK.

Free is a nice price, but I don't mind paying a few bucks for a decent

>program.

SEMP226.ZIP is a great Windows QWK shareware program, with lots of features, and is available in other languages besides English. I'm not sure where it's available on the web, but I think it may be available at www.doorgames.org -- use the file search option for this.

---
* OLX 1.53 * It's not hard to meet expenses, they're everywhere.
* PDQWK 2.52 #5


--- GTMail 1.26
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Hi All...

What's everyone using for Offline mail readers these days? I want one that I

>can use in Windows, I find the old text ones to be kind of clunky because a
>lot
>of the messages I post are log snippets and news from other sites, therefore
>the cut and paste in Windows is nice....

I can handle Blue Wave or Qwk, so eithr is OK.

Free is a nice price, but I don't mind paying a few bucks for a decent

>program.

MultiMail for Win32. There's one for Linux too, you can use it at the
console.

... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!
--- MultiMail/Linux v0.46
* Origin: Lufkin, TX USA <|> Amateur BBS <|> www.amateurbbs.net (1:14/250)

¡Hola Jon!

El Miércoles 01 Septiembre 2004 a las 08:27, Jon Watson escribió a All:

What's everyone using for Offline mail readers these days? I want one
that I can use in Windows, I find the old text ones to be kind of
clunky because a lot of the messages I post are log snippets and news
from other sites, therefore the cut and paste in Windows is nice....

Try Sempoint, great! ;)

Saludos,

Albano de Manuel
FidoNet 2:341/14.91
telnet://pucelabbs.dyndns.org

--- FMail/Win32 1.60
* Origin: Pucela BBS - telnet://pucelabbs.dyndns.org - FidoNet (2:341/14.91)

Hi Daryl,
On <Tue, 31 Aug 04>, you wrote me:

SEMP226.ZIP is a great Windows QWK shareware program, with lots of features, and is available in other languages besides English. I'm
not sure where it's available on the web, but I think it may be
available at www.doorgames.org -- use the file search option for
this.

Funnily enough I ran across Sempoint a few days after I posted my message. I agree! It rocks!

Thanks!

-Jon
MFWIC, The HeatSink BBS
Calgary, Alberta, Canada, eh?!

* SeM. 2.26 * Don't ask me - I just work here.
--- SemPoint
* Origin: telnet://TheHeatsinkBBS.ca -=Calgary,AB,Canada =- (1:134/703)

Hi Albano,
On <Tue, 31 Aug 04>, you wrote me:

Try Sempoint, great! ;)

Laff...I found Sempoint a few days after I posted my message. You're right - it's great!

Thanks!

-Jon
MFWIC, The HeatSink BBS
Calgary, Alberta, Canada, eh?!

* SeM. 2.26 * A desk is a wastebasket with drawers
--- SemPoint
* Origin: telnet://TheHeatsinkBBS.ca -=Calgary,AB,Canada =- (1:134/703)

¡Hola Jon!

El Martes 07 Septiembre 2004 a las 07:08, Jon Watson escribió a Albano De Manuel:

Try Sempoint, great! ;)

Laff...I found Sempoint a few days after I posted my message. You're
right - it's great!

Yes, I think it's the best offline mail reader, mainly because each new mail packet is added to the existing message base.

Do you know if there's any other offline mail reader which can do the same? I know the are some utilities to join several BW/QWK packets into one, but I'm not talking about that.

Saludos,

Albano de Manuel
FidoNet 2:341/14.91
telnet://pucelabbs.dyndns.org

--- FMail/Win32 1.60
* Origin: Pucela BBS - telnet://pucelabbs.dyndns.org - FidoNet (2:341/14.91)

Hi Albano,
On <Tue, 31 Aug 04>, you wrote me:

Do you know if there's any other offline mail reader which can do
the same? I know the are some utilities to join several BW/QWK
packets into one, but
I'm not talking about that.

Not that I know of. I didn't even know Sempoint could do it - nor did it even occur to me that it might be a good idea. Now that I have it though, I love it.


-Jon
MFWIC, The HeatSink BBS
Calgary, Alberta, Canada, eh?!

* SeM. 2.26 * My reality check just bounced.
--- SemPoint
* Origin: telnet://TheHeatsinkBBS.ca -=Calgary,AB,Canada =- (1:134/703)

Hi Jon (of 1:134/703),
On <Wed, 01 Sep 04, 20:05 o'clock>, in a message to Rob Swindell you wrote:

I actually stumbled across this OLR called SemPoint. I've never
heard of it, but man is it neat. Rather than just doing the old "get a packet, read a packet, save reply packet" deal, it builds a
message base on my computer. Every packet I download
gets added to the existing messages, so that I can
reference old messages right in the program. It's got a ton of
options that I like, handles BW/QWK and some other types. All in all pretty neat.

I was going to recommend SemPoint. I'm glad you were able to discover it. I have used it since 1992 (I think). As you discovered, it handles QWK packet messages like a database. You never have to worry about managing individual packets. I use it in "Fidonet" mode by fetching actual fido-type packets from a fido "feed".

I had a little trouble setting it up on an XP machine for a relative, but it works just fine and reliably on my WinME machine. What Windows version are you using it with? It should have no trouble in Win98/SE

Of course, everything looks neat in the beginning, we'll see how it
turns out :)

It's loaded with features that I have not fully explored yet! But if you have any questions, maybe I can help.


...August
--- FMail/Win32 1.60
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On <Wed, 01 Sep 04, 20:05 o'clock>, in a message to Rob Swindell you wrote:

I actually stumbled across this OLR called SemPoint. I've never
heard of it, but man is it neat. Rather than just doing the old "get a packet, read a packet, save reply packet" deal, it builds a
message base on my computer. Every packet I download
gets added to the existing messages, so that I can
reference old messages right in the program. It's got a ton of
options that I like, handles BW/QWK and some other types. All in all pretty neat.

I was going to recommend SemPoint. I'm glad you were able to discover it. AA>have used it since 1992 (I think). As you discovered, it handles QWK packet AA>messages like a database. You never have to worry about managing individual AA>packets. I use it in "Fidonet" mode by fetching actual fido-type packets fr AA>a fido "feed".

I had a little trouble setting it up on an XP machine for a relative, but it AA>works just fine and reliably on my WinME machine. What Windows version are AA>you using it with? It should have no trouble in Win98/SE

Of course, everything looks neat in the beginning, we'll see how it turns out :)

It's loaded with features that I have not fully explored yet! But if you ha AA>any questions, maybe I can help.

Where might one acquire a copy of SempPoint please?

Ciao, Ack.
---
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Hi THURSTON (of 1:123/140),
On Sat, 25 Sep 04 at 17:01 o'clock, you wrote me:

Where might one acquire a copy of SempPoint please?

http://volftp.mondadori.com/sem/

Hope this helps!



...August
--- FMail/Win32 1.60
* Origin: . (1:229/390)

August Abolins wrote to Jon Watson:

I was going to recommend SemPoint. I'm glad you were able to discover

it.

I have used it since 1992 (I think). As you discovered, it handles QWK packet messages like a database. You never have to worry about managing individual packets. I use it in "Fidonet" mode by fetching actual fido-type packets from a fido "feed".

I've actually deleted it at this time. I really liked it, it had a lot of
neat
features, but I found it unreliable. For example, whenever I clicked on another
application to bring it to the front (in windows), Sempoint would give me a runtime error and crash. As well I found that about 50% of the time it would corrupt the packets - each of my areas would show up with the same messages
in
them.

I tried reinstalling it...deleting my BBS and re-adding it...everything I could
think of, but eventually it became clear that it was unreliable and I had to get rid of it.

So, I'm back using BlueMail but I really woud like a Windows application to
do
offline mail with.



- HeatSink
MFWIC; The HeatSink BBS
Calgary, Alberta, Canada, eh?
--- MBSE BBS v0.61.4 (GNU/Linux-i386)
* Origin: telnet://TheHeatsinkBBS.ca -=Calgary,AB,Canada =- (1:134/703)

JON WATSON pinging AUGUST ABOLINS with 32 bytes of data <=-

So, I'm back using BlueMail but I really woud like a Windows
application to do
offline mail with.

Jon, have you tried Multimail yet? Are you primarily looking for a mail
reader that keeps the messages in a database for later reference?
Multimail doesn't do that, but if at some point you want to try a Linux
one, I've been using one for the Linux console called atp. It doesn't have
a great interface, so I still use multimail for reading and replying. But right after I download a qwk packet, I load the messages into atp.
--- MultiMail/Linux v0.46
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Hi Andy,

Andy Alt wrote to Jon Watson:

Jon, have you tried Multimail yet? Are you primarily looking for a mail reader that keeps the messages in a database for later reference?

Yes, I have and it's OK. There's a bunch of BlueMail type clones out there that
all behave the same and they work well. My search is for a Windows based reader. I'd like to have a Windows based reader because it makes it a lot easier to paste log segments and the like. Using a DOS one (I know some of
the
readers sell themselves as Windows programs but they still open up in a DOS windows) is clunky....

Shrug...back to the drawing board...



- HeatSink
MFWIC; The HeatSink BBS
Calgary, Alberta, Canada, eh?
--- MBSE BBS v0.61.4 (GNU/Linux-i386)
* Origin: telnet://TheHeatsinkBBS.ca -=Calgary,AB,Canada =- (1:134/703)

Hi Jon (of 1:134/703),
On Sat, 25 Sep 04 at 20:57 o'clock, you wrote me:

I've actually deleted it at this time. I really liked it, it had a
lot of neat
features, but I found it unreliable. For example, whenever I clicked
on another
application to bring it to the front (in windows), Sempoint would
give me a runtime error and crash. As well I found that about 50% of
the time it would
corrupt the packets - each of my areas would show up with the same messages in
them.

Regarding the crashing.. what Windows version are you using?

Regarding the packets, I hope you realilized that you CANNOT use Bluewave packets in Sempoint and expect it to work. You need to download standard QWK packets only.

So, I'm back using BlueMail but I really woud like a Windows
application to do
offline mail with.

Then I would suggest Apoint. This will allow you to use the simple "fido-packet" method of sending and receiving echomail. Apoint is a "complete"
echomail system with its own scanner, tosser, and areafix.



...August
--- FMail/Win32 1.60
* Origin: . (1:229/390)

JON WATSON pinging ANDY ALT with 32 bytes of data <=-

Jon, have you tried Multimail yet? Are you primarily looking for a mail reader that keeps the messages in a database for later reference?

Yes, I have and it's OK. There's a bunch of BlueMail type clones out
there that
all behave the same and they work well. My search is for a Windows
based reader. I'd like to have a Windows based reader because it makes

Shrug...back to the drawing board...

Okay then, good luck, Jon.
--- MultiMail/Linux v0.46
* Origin: USA - Amateur BBS - http://www.amateurbbs.net (1:14/250)

Hello August.

25 Sep 04 11:39, you wrote to Jon Watson:

It's loaded with features that I have not fully explored yet! But if
you have any questions, maybe I can help.

It's actually a really neat program. It's chock-full of features for QWK users, point systems and regular sysops alike. I can set up my own point off of my address and use SemPoint. It's a great program and if you can find a link to it, I'd like to download it and add it to my collection of QWK readers (it's getting large :).

Later,
Sean
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.5-31012
* Origin: Outpost BBS - outpostbbs.us (1:18/200)

Hi Sean (of 1:18/200),
On <Sun, 26 Sep 04, 17:32 o'clock>, you wrote me:

It's actually a really neat program. It's chock-full of features for
QWK users, point systems and regular sysops alike. I can set up my
own point off of my address and use SemPoint. It's a great program
and if you can find a link to it, I'd like to download it and add it
to my collection of QWK readers (it's getting large :).

It's still here:

http://volftp.mondadori.com/sem/

Features aside, it was the first (and only?) OLR that could handle .QWK and "fido-packet" technologies simultaneously in a seemless integrated environment.
I used it with its QWK features initially, but then when I learned more about pointing and fetching echmail from a feed, I could switch to that without
having to relearn another OLR.

Oh.. and unlike some "point" OLR's that only operate as "point" addresses, SemPoint is not restricted to that.


...August
--- FMail/Win32 1.60
* Origin: . (1:229/390)

Hello, August.

27 Sep 04 09:21, you wrote to me:

Oh.. and unlike some "point" OLR's that only operate as "point"
addresses, SemPoint is not restricted to that.

Now that I'm using W2K as my personal system (the BBS is still under OS/2), I'll download it later tonight and check it out. It might be overkill for me-who knows. :) Then again, a GUI would be nice at times when I have to do intra-network messaging.

Later,
Sean
--- GoldED+/W32 1.1.5-31012
* Origin: Outpost BBS - outpostbbs.us (1:18/200)

In a reply from August Abolins on 23:27 about Offline Mail Reader

Hi THURSTON (of 1:123/140),
On Sat, 25 Sep 04 at 17:01 o'clock, you wrote me:

Where might one acquire a copy of SempPoint please?

http://volftp.mondadori.com/sem/

Hope this helps!

I wasn't going to use it but put it in my bbs files area, the url works, but the
file (the ftp & http) ones didn't, got The page cannot be displayed messages

Rob Starr
Lord Time SysOp of
Time Warp of the Future BBS
Telnet : Time.Darktech.Org
Timewarpfuture.Dyndns.Org (backup)
ICQ #11868133 or 70398519
Yahoo : lordtime2000 AIM : LordTime20000 MSN : Lord Time


■ CMPQwk 1.42 16554 ■ "Bother," said Pooh, as he got cattle-prodded in the nuts.
--- SBBSecho 2.10-Win32
* Origin: Time Warp of the Future BBS (1:14/400)

Hi Robert (of 1:14/400),
On Tue, 28 Sep 04 at 16:13 o'clock, you wrote me:

Where might one acquire a copy of SempPoint please?

http://volftp.mondadori.com/sem/

RESJ> I wasn't going to use it but put it in my bbs files area, the url
RESJ> works, but the file (the ftp & http) ones didn't, got The page
RESJ> cannot be displayed messages


Bummer!!! I just checked that myself. And.. I don't seem to have a copy of the acrchive on this pc.

However, I just found a copy of it at:

http://archives.thebbs.org/cgi-bin/eleweb.exe?action=3&script=files


It's also at:

www.doorgames.org (Use the File search)


...August
--- FMail/Win32 1.60
* Origin: . (1:229/390)

In a reply from August Abolins on 23:01 about Offline Mail Reader

Hi Robert (of 1:14/400),
On Tue, 28 Sep 04 at 16:13 o'clock, you wrote me:

Where might one acquire a copy of SempPoint please?

http://volftp.mondadori.com/sem/

RESJ> I wasn't going to use it but put it in my bbs files area, the url
RESJ> works, but the file (the ftp & http) ones didn't, got The page
RESJ> cannot be displayed messages

Bummer!!! I just checked that myself. And.. I don't seem to have a copy of the acrchive on this pc.

However, I just found a copy of it at:

http://archives.thebbs.org/cgi-bin/eleweb.exe?action=3&script=files

thanks and here the url : ftp://archives.thebbs.org/off-line_mail_readers/semp226.zip

Rob Starr
Lord Time SysOp of
Time Warp of the Future BBS
Telnet : Time.Darktech.Org
Timewarpfuture.Dyndns.Org (backup)
ICQ #11868133 or 70398519
Yahoo : lordtime2000 AIM : LordTime20000 MSN : Lord Time


■ CMPQwk 1.42 16554 ■ COFFEE.CUP missing Sysop Halted
--- SBBSecho 2.10-Win32
* Origin: Time Warp of the Future BBS (1:14/400)

Hello ALL!

I am sorry if my message will appear to be off-topic.

I try to install offline reader called mm (under Linux) but don't have much like due to missunderstanding somethings.
How can I download QWK packets? What protocol should I use for this? (ansi?). BBS software keeps saying the following:

Would you like to receive this packet?
[Y]es, [N]o, [G]oodbye after transfer? [Y]
y

Compressing AMATEUR.QWK, please wait...


[A] Ascii [X] Xmodem [C] Xmodem/CRC [F] Xmodem/1K
[O] Xmodem/1KG [Y] Ymodem [G] Ymodem/G [K] Kermit
[Z] Zmodem

Select a file transfer protocol? [y]

Start your Ymodem download now...


Transfer unsuccessful, message pointers NOT updated.

Thanks!
PS Please, send the duplicate of the reply to my netmail: I may not find this echo again. )
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5
* Origin: USA - Amateur BBS - http://www.amateurbbs.net (1:14/250)

My search is for a Windows based reader. I'd like to have a
Windows based reader because it makes it a lot easier to
paste log segments and the like.

errrmmmm... as i recently described and explained to another party in some echo, you can copy and paste to/from DOS and windows apps with relative ease...
i do it all the time and the only "complaint" i have is that i can only copy a DOS window one screen at a time...

Using a DOS one (I know some of the readers sell themselves
as Windows programs but they still open up in a DOS windows)

errrmmm... you cannot rely on the lack of a GUI appearance to determine if an app is running in a DOS box or not... there are many text mode native windows apps out there... FWIW: its called console mode...

)\/(ark
* Origin: (1:3634/12)

-[ VASJA PUPKIN tossed some words to ALL on 10-06-04 19:06 ]-

Hello ALL!

I try to install offline reader called mm (under Linux) but don't have much like due to missunderstanding somethings.
How can I download QWK packets? What protocol should I use for this? (ansi?). BBS software keeps saying the following:

Would you like to receive this packet?
[Y]es, [N]o, [G]oodbye after transfer? [Y]
y

Compressing AMATEUR.QWK, please wait...

[A] Ascii [X] Xmodem [C] Xmodem/CRC [F] Xmodem/1K
[O] Xmodem/1KG [Y] Ymodem [G] Ymodem/G [K] Kermit
[Z] Zmodem

Select a file transfer protocol? [y]

Start your Ymodem download now...

Transfer unsuccessful, message pointers NOT updated.

Thanks!
PS Please, send the duplicate of the reply to my netmail: I may not
find this echo again. )

You'd get notified a reply on your next log-in. :)

From the Linux console, you'd not be able to download packets using the standard telnet command. Are you going thru the Linux console, KDE, Gnome, etc? If you're doing it from the console, I'd suggest using minicom with modemu, and you can find some pretty detailed information on it on the
Amateur BBS web site
http://www.amateurbbs.net/public/linuxbbs.html

I use multi-mail for Linux as well. For protocols, I'd recommend using
zmodem for downloading, and not ymodem though. Just select zmodem on the
BBS, then most term programs will detect it automatically and start downloading using the same protocol (zmodem).

This message has been brought to you courtesy of Andy
If replying by netmail, please address to 1:261/38
--- MultiMail/Linux v0.46
* Origin: USA - Amateur BBS - http://www.amateurbbs.net (1:14/250)

Vasja Pupkin wrote to All:

Compressing AMATEUR.QWK, please wait...


[A] Ascii [X] Xmodem [C] Xmodem/CRC [F] Xmodem/1K
[O] Xmodem/1KG [Y] Ymodem [G] Ymodem/G [K] Kermit
[Z] Zmodem

Select a file transfer protocol? [y]

Start your Ymodem download now...


Transfer unsuccessful, message pointers NOT updated.

I had this same type of error on my BBS before I installed any download protocols. The BBS software would ask the user what type of download protocol they wanted to use, but since there weren't any the transfer would fail.

Check your BBS setup to make sure you have file transfer protocols enabled or installed.

Jon


- HeatSink
MFWIC; The HeatSink BBS
Calgary, Alberta, Canada, eh?
--- MBSE BBS v0.61.4 (GNU/Linux-i386)
* Origin: telnet://TheHeatsinkBBS.ca -=Calgary,AB,Canada =- (1:134/703)

mark lewis wrote to Jon Watson:

My search is for a Windows based reader. I'd like to have a
Windows based reader because it makes it a lot easier to
paste log segments and the like.

errrmmmm... as i recently described and explained to another party in

some

echo, you can copy and paste to/from DOS and windows apps with relative ease... i do it all the time and the only "complaint" i have is that i

can

only copy a DOS window one screen at a time...

Agreed..it can be done - but it's annoying. I run at a 1024x768 resolution
and
multi-mail and it's ilk run at 640x480 so all I get is this little dos window to read my mail in.

Hence why I am seraching for a Windows based reader.

Using a DOS one (I know some of the readers sell themselves
as Windows programs but they still open up in a DOS windows)

errrmmm... you cannot rely on the lack of a GUI appearance to determine

if

an app is running in a DOS box or not... there are many text mode native windows apps out there... FWIW: its called console mode...

True - console mode apps exist, but really...they're poor. Why disregard all the power of the supplied GUI and use a 3GL to code a console app? I mean, if
was creating an app that had little or no user interfation then console mode is an appropriate choice, but it's a poor choice for an offline mail reader.

For the sake of clarity I'll start describing my preferences as a Gui based reader instead of a Windows based reader.

Actually, this whole conversation is moot since I've replicated my echoes to
my website :) Check it out...http://www.theheatsinkbbs.ca

Jon

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errrmmmm... as i recently described and explained
to another party in some echo, you can copy and
paste to/from DOS and windows apps with relative
ease... i do it all the time and the only
"complaint" i have is that i can only copy a DOS
window one screen at a time...

Agreed..it can be done - but it's annoying. I run
at a 1024x768 resolution

as do i in the graphical stuffs... my DOS prompt, though, is set to 50 line mode...

and multi-mail and it's ilk run at 640x480 so all
I get is this little dos window to read my mail in.

if you're running the DOS version of multimail, it should be able to run width the default settings of the prompt window... it does on my system...

Hence why I am seraching for a Windows based reader.

i've not been able to try the windows version of multi-mail because my virus scanner thinks that it contains a virus and i've not disabled my scanner to test it... but i would imagine that it is either a console mode app which should be able to run in the existing settings (80x50 on my boxen) or if it is a GUI then that's your answer ;)

Using a DOS one (I know some of the readers sell themselves
as Windows programs but they still open up in a DOS windows)

errrmmm... you cannot rely on the lack of a GUI appearance
to determine if an app is running in a DOS box or not...
there are many text mode native windows apps out there...
FWIW: its called console mode...

True - console mode apps exist, but really...they're poor.

in what manner? i run all sorts of them here and even have several of my own self-developed apps converted to console mode with no problems... in fact, they
use much less system resources than GUI versions and that's a GoodThing(tm) in my book...

Why disregard all the power of the supplied GUI

what power? why do you think they keep developing faster video and CPU chips? because there's not that much power in GUI stuff... there is, however, a lot more data to manipulate... a couple of orders of magnitude in most cases...

and use a 3GL to code a console app?

3GL? good grief! what's wrong with 1GL or 2GL stuffs? and i see things now about 4GL and even 5GL <shaking head>

I mean, if was creating an app that had little or no user
interfation then console mode is an appropriate choice,
but it's a poor choice for an offline mail reader.

i don't agree but then i'm not one to follow the rest of the lemmings^Werr... blind folk and go for pretty when functional should be the utmost item on the list... winwhatever is a perfect example, too... sure it's pretty but look at all the bigs and security holes...

For the sake of clarity I'll start describing my preferences
as a Gui based reader instead of a Windows based reader.

maybe you should try out the GUI win-native version of multimail?

Actually, this whole conversation is moot since I've
replicated my echoes to my website :) Check it out... http://www.theheatsinkbbs.ca

i might drop by and check it out... what method have you employed in getting them available via a browser?? remember, the WEB is html/http stuff /only/ ;)

)\/(ark
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mark lewis wrote to Jon Watson:

and use a 3GL to code a console app?

3GL? good grief! what's wrong with 1GL or 2GL stuffs? and i see things

now

about 4GL and even 5GL <shaking head>

Purist... :)

I can immediately see this conversation isn't going anywhere....I'll bow out now to save the electrons :)

i might drop by and check it out... what method have you employed in getting them available via a browser?? remember, the WEB is html/http stuff /only/ ;)

I use Irex to gate from Echo <-> Email and then PHP scripts to manually rip and
write to the mail spools and, of course, MySQL to insert into the forums.
I'm
running a SMF forum package (the old YABBSE software).

Umm...don't understand why you commented about html/http only.....what are
you
getting at?

The duplication thing took me a few days to figure out) how to avoid it, that is. I just finished converting the ugly BBCode quote style to a nice FTN
style
that won't make people puke when they read it and I think the last thing on
my
list is threading.

FTNs aren't threaded, I know, but most (mine is no exception) web forum software is. Problem is that in fixing the ugly BBCode quote problem
mentioned
above - the original SMF message ID is gone - thus the child/parent link used for threading is also gone. I could just put matching subjects together and except for the test echoes that would probably work....dunno yet - have to think more about it.

Ciao!

Jon



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mark lewis wrote to Jon Watson:

and use a 3GL to code a console app?

3GL? good grief! what's wrong with 1GL or 2GL stuffs?
and i see things now about 4GL and even 5GL <shaking head>

Purist... :)

OB-)

I can immediately see this conversation isn't going
anywhere....I'll bow out now to save the electrons :)

'k...

i might drop by and check it out... what method have you employed in
getting them available via a browser?? remember, the WEB is html/http
stuff /only/ ;)

I use Irex to gate from Echo <-> Email and then PHP scripts to
manually rip and write to the mail spools and, of course, MySQL
to insert into the forums. I'm running a SMF forum package (the
old YABBSE software).

interesting...

Umm...don't understand why you commented about html/http
only.....what are you getting at?

oops... that should have only been http... the point is that the WWW (aka web) only makes use of the http protocol... anything else is not the web but simply a use of the internet ;)

The duplication thing took me a few days to figure out) how
to avoid it, that is. I just finished converting the ugly
BBCode quote style to a nice FTN style that won't make
people puke when they read it and I think the last thing on
my list is threading.

sounds like a lot of work... especially considering having to learn someone else's coding methods and logic flow and then having to rip it apart to adjust
to perform differently... yeah, i've done it many times in the past and i still
hate it... i'd rather code it clean from the ground up... if for no other reason than to know that the bugs are mine and i'm the one to blame and fix them ;)

FTNs aren't threaded, I know, but most (mine is no exception)
web forum software is.

hunh? all my stuff works on threads... i use JAM bases and they are threaded on
the MSGID/REPLY lines... definitely not on the subject line <<GG>> my stuff also purges on the date of /arrival/ and not the date in the message header ;)

Problem is that in fixing the ugly BBCode quote problem
mentioned above - the original SMF message ID is gone -
thus the child/parent link used for threading is also
gone.

can't carry the MSGID/REPLY control lines over via X- header lines and use them? should be able to...

I could just put matching subjects together and except for
the test echoes that would probably work....dunno yet -
have to think more about it.

that would work... that's how things were done for many years before true threading came around ;)

)\/(ark
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In a reply from Jon Watson on 14:49 about Re: Offline Mail Reader

mark lewis wrote to Jon Watson:

My search is for a Windows based reader. I'd like to have a Windows based reader because it makes it a lot easier to
paste log segments and the like.

errrmmmm... as i recently described and explained to another party in

some

echo, you can copy and paste to/from DOS and windows apps with relative

ease... i do it all the time and the only "complaint" i have is that i

can

only copy a DOS window one screen at a time...

Agreed..it can be done - but it's annoying. I run at a 1024x768 resolution and
multi-mail and it's ilk run at 640x480 so all I get is this little dos window to read my mail in.

Hence why I am seraching for a Windows based reader.

you might setup the dos version of multimail, then play with the pif file and then put the window version on top of it, it works (that what I did)

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Umm...don't understand why you commented about html/http
only.....what are you getting at?

oops... that should have only been http... the point is that
the WWW (aka web) only makes use of the http protocol...
anything else is not the web but simply a use of the internet
;)

oops... i forgot to add that my comment(s) were likely due to me being a purist
again OB-)

)\/(ark
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Hence why I am seraching for a Windows based reader.

RESJ> you might setup the dos version of multimail, then
RESJ> play with the pif file and then put the window
RESJ> version on top of it, it works (that what I did)

my plan is to have both available... mm-dos.exe and mm-win.exe in the same directory... is/was whatever... maybe when my virus scanner figures out that mm-win is not infected with a virus... coming from sourceforge, i don't see how
it could be without many other programs being infected, too...

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In a message dated 10-08-04, Jon Watson said to mark lewis:

Hello Jon,

Agreed..it can be done - but it's annoying. I run at a 1024x768 JW>resolution and multi-mail and it's ilk run at 640x480 so all I get
is this little dos window to read my mail in.

I start MultiMail from the icon with the following command file:

mode co80,40
mm.exe
exit

This way I can set the display of multimail to any resolution I want.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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Mark,

oops... that should have only been http... the point is that the WWW (aka web)

only makes use of the http protocol... anything else is not the web but simply

a

use of the internet ;)

Ahh..I see and agree. There are too many things out there called Web-something that have nothing to do with the web. Anyhow, as you now know - the only 'protocol' I make use of in the entire system is email (ya, ya..not a protocol...just can't think of the right word right now).

The duplication thing took me a few days to figure out) how
to avoid it, that is. I just finished converting the ugly
BBCode quote style to a nice FTN style that won't make
people puke when they read it and I think the last thing on
my list is threading.

sounds like a lot of work... especially considering having to learn someone >else's coding methods and logic flowá and then having to rip it apart to adjust
to perform differently... yeah, i've done it many times in the past and i still
hate it... i'd rather code it clean from the ground up... if for no other reason
than to know that the bugs are mine and i'm the one to blame and fix them ;)

Well, it wasn't so bad. It was more an exercise in systems integration than in coding. I mean, IREX and MBSE are nice and stable so I didn't have to worry about anything happening between echomail email. I only had to step in to rip through the mail spools and either insert messages into the forum's database, or select from the forum's database and append to the mail spools.

Therefore, since the only new code was mine, all of the bugs were mine. Having said that, I've just discovered what I consider to be a pretty big bug in IREX,
but that's posted in the IREX echo -no sense repeating it here.

FTNs aren't threaded, I know, but most (mine is no exception)
web forum software is.

hunh? all my stuff works on threads... i use JAM bases and they are threaded on
the MSGID/REPLY lines... definitely not on the subject line á my stuff

Again, the wrong choice of word on my part. Yes, my JAM bases are threaded like
yours - but the messages don't present themselves in what is considered 'threaded' in 2004 - ie they are not strung together in nice little hierarchal folders like most Usenet readers present news...

The forum software is certainly geared towards hierachical threading and I'd like to make use of that. Let's face it, one of the reasons FTNs are having such a hard time in North America is that our user base has increased a million-fold, but their knowledge of how to operate anything on their computer doesn't extend beyond a mouse click. In fact I can confidently state that most computer users probably consider right-clicking to be an advanced operation. The whole reason I'm bothering with FOTW (Fido On The Web as I call it) is to attempt to gain some users back. FTN's have great content....it's just the interface that today's computer user's can't deal with.

So..I'm trying to marry good content with a 'good' interface.....

Problem is that in fixing the ugly BBCode quote problem
mentioned above - the original SMF message ID is gone -
thus the child/parent link used for threading is also
gone.

can't carry the MSGID/REPLY control lines over via X- header lines and use them?
should be able to...

I'm considering that but, and you may know more about this than I, I'm concerned...well, skeptical actually, of the liklihood of those X headers making it back to my system after bouncing through every other node out there. Do you have any thoughts on how likely that is?

Jon
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======>>> Robert E Starr JR, 1:14/400 wrote:

Hence why I am seraching for a Windows based reader.

you might setup the dos version of multimail, then play with the pif file and then put the window version on top of it, it works (that what I did)


<<<====== end quote


Wha? Can you explain that in a little more detail?

Thanks!

Jon
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In a reply from mark lewis on 22:43 about Offline Mail Reader

Hence why I am seraching for a Windows based reader.

RESJ> you might setup the dos version of multimail, then
RESJ> play with the pif file and then put the window
RESJ> version on top of it, it works (that what I did)

my plan is to have both available... mm-dos.exe and mm-win.exe in the same directory... is/was whatever... maybe when my virus scanner figures out

that

mm-win is not infected with a virus... coming from sourceforge, i don't see how it could be without many other programs being infected, too...

hmmmmmmmmmm

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In a reply from Jon Watson on 16:05 about Re: Offline Mail Reader

======>>> Robert E Starr JR, 1:14/400 wrote:

Hence why I am seraching for a Windows based reader.

you might setup the dos version of multimail, then play with the pif file and then put the window version on top of it, it works (that what I did)

<<<====== end quote

Wha? Can you explain that in a little more detail?

Thanks!

hmmm, how to put this, get the dos version set it up (even if you are goign to run windows version) then on the MM.EXE file, make a pif file, in the file, goto
the screen folder, set the usage to full screen (and in that pif file, change anything else you think need to be change) and then save it then take a widow version and put it in the same dir. as the dos version, and unzip it, and then run it, you should have a full screen version now

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Problem is that in fixing the ugly BBCode quote problem
mentioned above - the original SMF message ID is gone -
thus the child/parent link used for threading is also
gone.

can't carry the MSGID/REPLY control lines over via X- header
lines and use them? should be able to...

I'm considering that but, and you may know more about this
than I, I'm concerned...well, skeptical actually, of the
liklihood of those X headers making it back to my system after
bouncing through every other node out there. Do you have any
thoughts on how likely that is?

why would X- headers bounce around any system other than yours? fido messages come in with MSGID and/or REPLY control lines... in your conversion process, convert them to X-FTN-MSGID and X-FTN-REPLY (or whatever is already in use 'cause i know this is already being done) and thread on them when you import into your sql database... on export, you convert them back to standard FTN format and thus, there are no X- headers bouncing around outside your system...

FWIW: the conversion of the control lines may be already being done depending on the software you are using to convert from FTN to email...

FWIW2: i think it would be best to do FTN stuffs in the FTN way instead of converting back and forth to fit some other format... why generate MSGID numbers just to throw them away and use something else locally? pull the messages out of the binary FTN PKT file and spit them into a properly designed database that recognises and works properly with FTN tech... then write or convert a "bbs" package to work with /that/... the current methods remind me too much of the mess we have with QWK tech in the FTN networks that breaks many
things and causes many problems... "but it is just a message!" fooey! it goes a
lot deeper than just skin deep ;)

i like phpBB and use it on my site but i won't try shoving FTN into that mainly
due to the structural differences...

)\/(ark
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Hi Mark,

======>>> mark lewis, 1:3634/12 wrote:


Originally to: Jon Watson

FWIW2: i think it would be best to do FTN stuffs in the FTN way instead of converting back and forth to fit some other format... why generate MSGID numbers
just to throw them away and use something else locally? pull the messages out of
the binary FTN PKT file and spit them into a properly designed database that recognises and works properly with FTN tech... then write or convert a "bbs" package to work with /that/... the current methods remind me too much of the mess we have with QWK tech in the FTN networks that breaks many things and causes many problems... "but it is just a message!" fooey! it goes a lot deeper

than just skin deep ;)

i like phpBB and use it on my site but i won't try shoving FTN into that mainly

due to the structural differences...

)\/(ark


<<<====== end quote


The message ID's ARE generated locally by SMF (not PHPBB, but same idea) and those message IDs are what must be preserved in order to allow SMF to thread messages properly. Therefore, any message that originated here MUST come back here with the original SMF message ID intact or it won't thread (well...none of
this is implemented yet, so actually nothing will thread right now regardless of what it comes in with). Because these message IDs must come back, I'm skeptical of the success of this method. It's somewhat unrealistic of me to expect every node through which my messages pass are going to preserve some proprietary headers I've added for my own system.

In response to your FWIW2 - you're missing the point of what I'm doing here. I'm not interested in re-creating the wheel by coding yet another web forum software package to handle FTN messages. I'm interested in taking something that your average web user (read.."OMG..What's that BLACK SCREEN?!?!?") is used
to and comfortable with and using it to provide FTN echoes. There are many projects out there, some more successful than others, that are putting Fido on the web via a complete recreation of a system as you recommend. I see no need to add another when with a little tweaking, existing systems can be integrated to provide the same, or nearly the same, functionality.

I'm not creating an interface for current FTN users (although they are more than welcome to use it). Those users have already proven that they are willing and able, and maybe even prefer, telnetting around the internet. I'm going for the users that don't even know what Telnet is in an effort to get more users involved in various FTNs.

WRT threading, I think I'll code to the subject matching thing for now....I don't see a healthy future for any other method at the moment.

Jon
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The message ID's ARE generated locally by SMF (not PHPBB, but
same idea) and those message IDs are what must be preserved in
order to allow SMF to thread messages properly. Therefore, any

ahhh... you are talking about messages written on your system... i hadn't gotten there yet... i was speaking of those coming in from other systems...

but, since we're on that topic, those SMF IDs don't need to go anywhere outside
your system... just create valid MSGID/REPLY lines and store them in a database
with their matching SMF IDs... when messages come in, you look in the database for the MSGID that matched the inbound REPLY and pop in the SMF ID...

better yet would be to generate and use FTN style MSGID and REPLY lines through
out the system...

message that originated here MUST come back here with the
original SMF message ID intact or it won't thread (well...none
of this is implemented yet, so actually nothing will thread
right now regardless of what it comes in with). Because these
message IDs must come back, I'm skeptical of the success of
this method. It's somewhat unrealistic of me to expect every
node through which my messages pass are going to preserve some
proprietary headers I've added for my own system.

errrmmm... they are supposed to pass everything they get without modification... only the SEENBY and PATH lines are to be modified...

In response to your FWIW2 - you're missing the point of what
I'm doing here.

no i'm not... i fully understand it and that's why i'm /not/ doing the same with phpBB...

I'm not interested in re-creating the wheel by
coding yet another web forum software package to handle FTN
messages.

that's not (really) what i was saying... afterall, it is only the UI that the users see and know... what is done on the backside has no bearing on what they see, know or even understand about the way it works...

I'm interested in taking something that your average
web user (read.."OMG..What's that BLACK SCREEN?!?!?") is used
to and comfortable with and using it to provide FTN echoes.
There are many projects out there, some more successful than
others, that are putting Fido on the web via a complete
recreation of a system as you recommend. I see no need to add
another when with a little tweaking, existing systems can be
integrated to provide the same, or nearly the same,
functionality.

hummm... i wonder why there are so many DOS BBS packages? ;)

I'm not creating an interface for current FTN users (although
they are more than welcome to use it). Those users have
already proven that they are willing and able, and maybe even
prefer, telnetting around the internet. I'm going for the
users that don't even know what Telnet is in an effort to get
more users involved in various FTNs.

its nothing at all to do with the user's visual sight of the messages... everything i'm speaking of would never bee seen by the users unless they were on our side of the screen ;)

WRT threading, I think I'll code to the subject matching thing
for now....I don't see a healthy future for any other method
at the moment.

<<shrug>> your choice... do with it what you will... ;)

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Quoting Jon Watson from a message to mark lewis <--

another web forum software package to handle FTN messages. I'm
interested in taking something that your average web user (read.."OMG..What's that BLACK SCREEN?!?!?") is used to and
comfortable with and using it to provide FTN echoes. There are many

IMNSHO, if they're not smart enough to use a simple text-based menuing system (a la a BBS), then I don't want to deal with them in my system. :)

Unfortunately, in all of my tech support and PC tech experience, a majority of computer users are quite stupid and unwilling to catch on to the simplest of ideas. As if using a text-based menuing system is so hard. Again, unfortunately, it is the dawn of the GUI in the early '90s that "dumbed down" a
majority of the computer user population. We sysops and BBS users are but a tiny percentage of computer users.

I figure if they don't know how to spell "cool" or use another emotion besides "LOL", I don't need them using my system.

Again, just my two cents' worth and not trying to get into you and Mark's thread... I just had to say what I said though. :) I've actually gotten paged at 9:15 PM on a Friday night because of a (then) new user could't figure out to
log off.

At every single menu in my board, there is the (G)oodbye command on the screen.

Guess she couldn't figure it out because there was no "Goodbye" button to click... maybe I should set up RIP screens on my board? :)

Later,
Sean
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======>>> Sean Dennis, 1:18/200 wrote:

Originally to: Jon Watson

Quoting Jon Watson from a message to mark lewis another web forum software

package to handle FTN messages. I'm

interested in taking something that your average web user (read.."OMG..What's that BLACK SCREEN?!?!?") is used to and
comfortable with and using it to provide FTN echoes. There are many

IMNSHO, if they're not smart enough to use a simple text-based menuing systemá (a la a BBS), then I don't want to deal with them in my system. :)

Unfortunately, in all of my tech support and PC tech experience, a majority ofá

computer users are quite stupid and unwilling to catch on to the simplest ofá ideas.á As if using a text-based menuing system is so hard.á Again,á unfortunately, it is the dawn of the GUI in the early '90s that "dumbed down" aá
majority of the computer user population.á We sysops and BBS users are but aá tiny percentage of computer users.

...snip...

<<<====== end quote


I totally agree...I'm not a fan of these users, let me assure you, but I do recognize that if we're going to get more users into Fidonet, then we have to spoon feed them...

It's a matter of priorities - I'd rather see a vibrant Fidonet with many levels
of users than a Fidonet with 50 smart users.

S'my 0.02 worth...

Jon


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Hello Vasja,

VP> Transfer unsuccessful, message pointers NOT updated.

What terminal software are you using?

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Hello Jon,

JW> Agreed..it can be done - but it's annoying. I run at a
> 1024x768 resolution and multi-mail and it's ilk run at
> 640x480 so all I get is this little dos window to read
> my mail in.

You should be able to change the font used by your DOS window, and may also be able to change the number of rows that it uses. For example I tend to run SLMR
in an 80x50 window (or 80x50 full screen) on machines with a large display (the
batch file that launches it contains "MODE CON LINES=50").

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======>>> Andy Ball, 8:8/2 wrote:

Originally to: Jon Watson

Hello Jon,

á JW> Agreed..it can be done - but it's annoying. I run at a
á á > 1024x768 resolution and multi-mail and it's ilk run at
á á > 640x480 so all I get is this little dos window to read
á á > my mail in.

You should be able to change the font used by your DOS window, and may also be able to change the number of rows that it uses.á For example I tend to run SLMR

in an 80x50 window (or 80x50 full screen) on machines with a large display (the

batch file that launches it contains "MODE CON LINES=50").

- Andy Ball.

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Thanks Andy, I gave that a try and it's much more usable. I can live with that type of window.

Jon

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You should be able to change the font used by your DOS window, and may als able to change the number of rows that it uses. For example I tend to run

yeah, it's easy. you can even display amiga graphics decently with the 10x18 console font.

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Quoting Jon Watson from a message to sean dennis <--

It's a matter of priorities - I'd rather see a vibrant Fidonet with
many levels of users than a Fidonet with 50 smart users.

I'm not even sure there's 50 smart users left. <G>

Later,
Sean
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WRT: setting the window to 80x50...

Thanks Andy, I gave that a try and it's much more usable. I
can live with that type of window.

i do that in my autoexec.bat so that all console windows opened are in that same configuration... its a lot easier ;)

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======>>> Sean Dennis, 1:18/200 wrote:

Originally to: Jon Watson

Quoting Jon Watson from a message to sean dennis It's a matter of

priorities - I'd rather see a vibrant Fidonet with

many levels of users than a Fidonet with 50 smart users.

I'm not even sure there's 50 smart users left.

Later,
Sean

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Well, math never was my strong suite..I might be miscounting :)

Jon
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Hello Sean!

12 Oct 04 10:14, Sean Dennis wrote to Jon Watson:

Guess she couldn't figure it out because there was no "Goodbye"
button to click... maybe I should set up RIP screens on my board? :)

so thay can say "Rest In Pease" :-)

Regards Benny

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Quoting Benny Pedersen from a message to Sean Dennis <--

so thay can say "Rest In Pease" :-)

*chuckle* No, but there'd be a button for them to click. :)

Later,
Sean
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