On 10/18/2016 06:58 PM, Richard Menedetter -> Rick Christian wrote:

/usr/local/sbin/binkd -p -P $node /usr/local/etc/binkd.cfg

After testing with this... this seems to be the SOLUTION.

I don't know but going back over my notes.. shows that I never used /that/ line...

AND

That binkd at least here has a fit over

-pP but if its -p -P its fine...

Who knows....its pretty common at least for me to combine things up like -pP or
say -abcP and put anything requiring an argument with it at the end... guess not for this program...


Not sure why changing the node in the config causes -nP to fail, as thats in my
notes to work, and add as a cron job...

Weird...

Any way

SOLVED!


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25 Oct 16 16:53, you wrote to Richard Menedetter:

/usr/local/sbin/binkd -p -P $node /usr/local/etc/binkd.cfg

After testing with this... this seems to be the SOLUTION.

I don't know but going back over my notes.. shows that I never used /that/ line...

AND

That binkd at least here has a fit over

-pP but if its -p -P its fine...

yes... i had thought that someone else would mention it to you... i started to at least twice but it slipped my mind while watching the thread unroll...

Who knows....its pretty common at least for me to combine things up
like -pP or say -abcP and put anything requiring an argument with it
at the end... guess not for this program...

definitely not for this program...

Not sure why changing the node in the config causes -nP to fail, as thats in my notes to work, and add as a cron job...

-nP is probably in the same boat as -pP... i've always separated the options for binkd... clarity for one thing, i guess...

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Hi Rick!

25 Oct 2016 16:53, from rick christian -> Richard Menedetter:

/usr/local/sbin/binkd -p -P $node /usr/local/etc/binkd.cfg

After testing with this... this seems to be the SOLUTION.

Sure ... the only thing I do not understand why it is a SURPRISE for you.

It is all documented in the man page:

SYNOPSIS
binkd [-CcDipqrsvdmh] [ -P node ] config-file

-pP but if its -p -P its fine...

As documented in the documentation!

Who knows....its pretty common at least for me to combine things up
like -pP or say -abcP and put anything requiring an argument with it
at the end... guess not for this program...

It would be better if you checked BEFORE you do that if that particular programs supports that.

Weird...

Not really ... works as expected!

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On 10/26/2016 05:27 AM, Richard Menedetter -> Rick Christian wrote:
the man page:

SYNOPSIS
binkd [-CcDipqrsvdmh] [ -P node ] config-file
It would be better if you checked BEFORE you do that if that particular programs supports that.
Not really ... works as expected!

Thanks, read that. Thats where I got the initial test I did of -pP

No, that is not documented that it HAS TO BE SPACED OUT as ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT. It may mean that to you, it doesn't to me, nor any other Linux program I've used... options can be shoved together. Shove them all together is
pretty much bog standard procedure for any *Nix/BSD I've used.

lots of programs list their options... take for example screen

screen [ -options ] [ cmd [ args ] ]

You can do:

screen -m -d -S or you can -mdS and pretty much any other program that takes options can do the same, pretty bog standard *nix type way of doing things.

Never had a program specifically need to S P A C E things out, and that man page doesn't mean that. When I read it thats binkd -options config file.

Additionally, since I got the option for -nP from this group,

"You can do that manually, but you can also do it by typing:

binkd -nP46:1/100 binkd.cfg."

Msg from 3/4/16.

and tried it and it worked fine... and it was most definitely not spaced out. You see I test things copiously before doing, ie: measure, measure, measure, cut.


binkd [-CcDipqrsvdmh] [ -P node ] config-file

That line doesn't mean CAN'T SHOVE THEM ALL TOGETHER... When any other Linux program I've used will gladly take them -alloptions or -a -b -cdeg -gf


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On 10/25/2016 06:34 PM, mark lewis -> rick christian wrote:

yes... i had thought that someone else would mention it to you... i started to at least twice but it slipped my mind while watching the
thread unroll...
definitely not for this program...

When a message here listed one thing, -nP, tried it and it worked, I put it my notes.

And any other *Nix/BSD program I've used just shove them all together

-mDS ScreenNAme

or

-m -d -s ScreenName -l

Plenty of the man pages space them out like -c -d -f -e -g when you can still shove them back.

Thats been the MO for any *Nix situation I've run over many decades.

If its that picky, then the man page and the documentation should spell it out..


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It is all documented in the man page:

SYNOPSIS
binkd [-CcDipqrsvdmh] [ -P node ] config-file

-pP but if its -p -P its fine...

As documented in the documentation!

Yes. But all these do work here to poll to 2:221/1:

# binkd -p -P 2:221/1 /etc/binkd/binkd.cfg
# binkd -pP 2:221/1 /etc/binkd/binkd.cfg
# binkd -pP2:221/1 /etc/binkd/binkd.cfg
# binkd -pP1 /etc/binkd/binkd.cfg

Using "Binkd 1.1a-94 (Oct 23 2016 10:28:34/Linux)"

'Tommi

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Hello rick,

On 26 Oct 16 07:20, rick christian wrote to Richard Menedetter:

SYNOPSIS
binkd [-CcDipqrsvdmh] [ -P node ] config-file
It would be better if you checked BEFORE you do that if that
particular programs supports that. Not really ... works as
expected!

Thanks, read that. Thats where I got the initial test I did of -pP

Why would you have done -pP out of the above help sysopsis? They are not shown used together, but instead are shown apart.

No, that is not documented that it HAS TO BE SPACED OUT as ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT. It may mean that to you, it doesn't to me, nor any other Linux program I've used... options can be shoved together. Shove them
all together is pretty much bog standard procedure for any *Nix/BSD
I've used.

I don't see -p and -P used together in the first set of options above. As a matter of fact, it looks to me like it is specifically separated ON PURPOSE. Any other options can be used together, except the node specification.

Never had a program specifically need to S P A C E things out, and
that man page doesn't mean that. When I read it thats binkd -options config file.

Well, now you have!

Additionally, since I got the option for -nP from this group,

"You can do that manually, but you can also do it by typing:

binkd -nP46:1/100 binkd.cfg."

Msg from 3/4/16.

and tried it and it worked fine... and it was most definitely not
spaced out. You see I test things copiously before doing, ie: measure, measure, measure, cut.

binkd [-CcDipqrsvdmh] [ -P node ] config-file

Then again, if you look closely, -n is not in the first list of options that seem to be required to be used separately from the -P option.

That line doesn't mean CAN'T SHOVE THEM ALL TOGETHER... When any other Linux program I've used will gladly take them -alloptions or -a -b
-cdeg -gf

Since you've now run into one that does not go by your standards, you can not say that anymore. :)

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Tommi,

On 26 Oct 16 16:36, Tommi Koivula wrote to Richard Menedetter:

It is all documented in the man page:

SYNOPSIS
binkd [-CcDipqrsvdmh] [ -P node ] config-file

-pP but if its -p -P its fine...

As documented in the documentation!

Yes. But all these do work here to poll to 2:221/1:

# binkd -p -P 2:221/1 /etc/binkd/binkd.cfg
# binkd -pP 2:221/1 /etc/binkd/binkd.cfg
# binkd -pP2:221/1 /etc/binkd/binkd.cfg
# binkd -pP1 /etc/binkd/binkd.cfg

Using "Binkd 1.1a-94 (Oct 23 2016 10:28:34/Linux)"

As I mentioned in a previous message, this was probably addressed in a version later than the one available from Debian's repositories, since I believe that version is still 1.0.9 or something, and not even 1.1a which has been in development for years.

If one wants all the goodies and fixes, they must compile binkd themselves, or possibly see if someone else would do it for them. *shrug*

Regards,
Nick

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Hello, Nicholas Boel
On 26/10/2016 19:48 you wrote:

Yes. But all these do work here to poll to 2:221/1:
# binkd -p -P 2:221/1 /etc/binkd/binkd.cfg
# binkd -pP 2:221/1 /etc/binkd/binkd.cfg
# binkd -pP2:221/1 /etc/binkd/binkd.cfg
# binkd -pP1 /etc/binkd/binkd.cfg
Using "Binkd 1.1a-94 (Oct 23 2016 10:28:34/Linux)"

As I mentioned in a previous message, this was probably addressed in a version later than the one available from Debian's repositories, since I believe that version is still 1.0.9 or something, and not even 1.1a
which has been in development for years.
If one wants all the goodies and fixes, they must compile binkd
themselves, or possibly see if someone else would do it for them. *shrug*

'Apt install binkd' gave me 1.0.4 to my ubuntu testbox.

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26 Oct 16 20:39, you wrote to Nicholas Boel:

If one wants all the goodies and fixes, they must compile binkd
themselves, or possibly see if someone else would do it for them.
*shrug*

'Apt install binkd' gave me 1.0.4 to my ubuntu testbox.

cat /etc/issue



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Hi Rick!

26 Oct 2016 07:20, from rick christian -> Richard Menedetter:

SYNOPSIS
binkd [-CcDipqrsvdmh] [ -P node ] config-file

Thanks, read that. Thats where I got the initial test I did of -pP
No, that is not documented that it HAS TO BE SPACED OUT as ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT.

It clearly shows that this is how it is supposed to be entered.

But to calm you down, it also works if you do *NOT* use a space.
Nice optional addition of the Binkd authors.

fido@odroid:~$ /usr/local/sbin/binkd -pP 2:313/41 /usr/local/etc/binkd.cfg
16:08 [11054] BEGIN, binkd/1.1a-75/Linux -pP 2:313/41 /usr/local/etc/binkd.cfg
16:08 [11054] creating a poll for 2:313/41@fidonet (`d' flavour)
[...]

CU, Ricsi

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Hi Tommi!

26 Oct 2016 16:36, from Tommi Koivula -> Richard Menedetter:

It is all documented in the man page:
SYNOPSIS
binkd [-CcDipqrsvdmh] [ -P node ] config-file

Yes. But all these do work here to poll to 2:221/1:
# binkd -p -P 2:221/1 /etc/binkd/binkd.cfg
# binkd -pP 2:221/1 /etc/binkd/binkd.cfg
# binkd -pP2:221/1 /etc/binkd/binkd.cfg
# binkd -pP1 /etc/binkd/binkd.cfg

Using "Binkd 1.1a-94 (Oct 23 2016 10:28:34/Linux)"

Same applies to my older binkd
Binkd 1.1a-75

I never tried it, as I always used the official documented way.

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If one wants all the goodies and fixes, they must compile binkd
themselves, or possibly see if someone else would do it for them.
*shrug*

'Apt install binkd' gave me 1.0.4 to my ubuntu testbox.

cat /etc/issue

tommi@boy:~$ cat /etc/issue
Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS \n \l

And now:

tommi@boy:~$ /usr/sbin/binkd -vv
Binkd 1.1a-94 (Oct 23 2016 11:30:20/Linux)
Compilation flags: gcc, zlib, bzlib2.
Facilities: fts5004 ipv6
tommi@boy:~$

'Tommi

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27 Oct 16 16:08, you wrote to Rick Christian:

SYNOPSIS
binkd [-CcDipqrsvdmh] [ -P node ] config-file

Thanks, read that. Thats where I got the initial test I did of -pP
No, that is not documented that it HAS TO BE SPACED OUT as ABSOLUTE
REQUIREMENT.

It clearly shows that this is how it is supposed to be entered.

But to calm you down, it also works if you do *NOT* use a space.
Nice optional addition of the Binkd authors.

apparently it does NOT work in the version he has... that's why he's fussing about it... IIRC, he's running trusty so that's only 0.9.11 which is oooooolllllddddd...

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27 Oct 16 18:46, you wrote to me:

If one wants all the goodies and fixes, they must compile binkd
themselves, or possibly see if someone else would do it for them.
*shrug*

'Apt install binkd' gave me 1.0.4 to my ubuntu testbox.

cat /etc/issue

tommi@boy:~$ cat /etc/issue
Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS \n \l

thanks... trusty only has 0.9.11 which is why i went the build-my-own route...

And now:

tommi@boy:~$ /usr/sbin/binkd -vv
Binkd 1.1a-94 (Oct 23 2016 11:30:20/Linux)
Compilation flags: gcc, zlib, bzlib2.
Facilities: fts5004 ipv6

my last build is

$ ~/fido/sbin/binkd -vv
Binkd 1.1a-92 (Jan 31 2016 21:31:11/Linux)
Compilation flags: gcc, zlib, bzlib2, https, ntlm, bwlim.
Facilities: fts5004 ipv6

i might should update again but this one is working fine for now... no idea how
it would do on a busy node instead of this point system...

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Hello Tommi,

On 26 Oct 16 20:39, Tommi Koivula wrote to Nicholas Boel:

'Apt install binkd' gave me 1.0.4 to my ubuntu testbox.

Exactly. I'm fairly certain 1.1a has been in development for quite some time now (5+ or 10+ years?).

So while 1.0.4 may be labeled as the "stable" version, it is still missing much
of the current development.

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Richard,

On 27 Oct 16 16:08, Richard Menedetter wrote to Rick Christian:

SYNOPSIS
binkd [-CcDipqrsvdmh] [ -P node ] config-file

Thanks, read that. Thats where I got the initial test I did of
-pP No, that is not documented that it HAS TO BE SPACED OUT as
ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT.

It clearly shows that this is how it is supposed to be entered.

But to calm you down, it also works if you do *NOT* use a space.
Nice optional addition of the Binkd authors.

fido@odroid:~$ /usr/local/sbin/binkd -pP 2:313/41
/usr/local/etc/binkd.cfg 16:08 [11054] BEGIN, binkd/1.1a-75/Linux -pP 2:313/41 /usr/local/etc/binkd.cfg 16:08 [11054] creating a poll for 2:313/41@fidonet (`d' flavour) [...]

I'm fairly certain he's using the version from the Debian repositories, which is 1.0.4. He may not have that option to not use a space, which is definitely doable in the 1.1a versions.

Regards,
Nick

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28 Oct 16 08:53, you wrote to Richard Menedetter:

I'm fairly certain he's using the version from the Debian repositories, which is 1.0.4.

sorry, it is not... ubuntu 14.04 (aka trusty) only has 0.9.11 as i noted previously... ubuntu 16.04 brings 1.0.4 to the table... trusty's old version is
explicitly why i decided to build my own... especially when i was able to run a
newer version on my much older OS/2 system ;)

He may not have that option to not use a space, which is definitely
doable in the 1.1a versions.

even without the documentation being updated ;)

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'Apt install binkd' gave me 1.0.4 to my ubuntu testbox.

Exactly. I'm fairly certain 1.1a has been in development for quite some time now (5+ or 10+ years?).

So while 1.0.4 may be labeled as the "stable" version, it is still missing much of the current development.

"2016/03/28 18:29:09 1.1a-94 git"

7 months and one day old... Works perfectly. Time to release as stable?

'Tommi

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Hello mark,

On 28 Oct 16 15:22, mark lewis wrote to Nicholas Boel:

I'm fairly certain he's using the version from the Debian
repositories, which is 1.0.4.

sorry, it is not... ubuntu 14.04 (aka trusty) only has 0.9.11 as i
noted previously... ubuntu 16.04 brings 1.0.4 to the table... trusty's
old version is explicitly why i decided to build my own... especially
when i was able to run a newer version on my much older OS/2 system ;)

Thanks for the clarification, either way, 0.9.11 is even much older than 1.0.4.
So in the case of what I was referring to, it would still apply that he's going
off of some really old code that hasn't been updated to fix the issue yet.

He may not have that option to not use a space, which is
definitely doable in the 1.1a versions.

even without the documentation being updated ;)

Very true. Although if I were any kind of programmer, that would probably be one of my weak spots as well. :)

Whatever language barrier is also in place, could also pose a bit of a problem (even though I've communicated with most of the current developers of both binkd and the husky sources, at one point or another), but I don't think that's
a major part of it.

If they'd like to give out CVS access to someone with the ambition to do so, someone could easily update the documentation to reflect compiling the current husky sources (I think all that needs to be added is that huskylib needs to be compiled first), as well as binkd's sources and help file.

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Tommi,

On 29 Oct 16 14:16, Tommi Koivula wrote to Nicholas Boel:

So while 1.0.4 may be labeled as the "stable" version, it is
still missing much of the current development.

"2016/03/28 18:29:09 1.1a-94 git"

7 months and one day old... Works perfectly. Time to release as
stable?

I totally agree! Although there have been many versions that could have been marked 'stable'. It just doesn't seem like it's in their plans whatsoever. Kind
of like a rolling distribution. :)

BTW, wasn't someone compiling binaries for both binkd and husky at one time and
releasing it in the FDN (Gert comes to mind, although at some point it seemed like he was doing dailies, which was filling up the filebase with a bunch of unnecessary files.. so I unlinked). Or were those just source snapshots?

Regards,
Nick

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