Hi all,

what is the status of the amiga port of Binkd? Useable? Zimmermanns hack (AmiBinkD) is more or less unuseable and his source code isn't available anywhere that I can find so fixing his bugs in v9.04 (the last one I think) is impossible it seems.


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Hello Joacim!

19 Sep 17 16:39, you wrote to all:

what is the status of the amiga port of Binkd? Useable? Zimmermanns
hack (AmiBinkD) is more or less unuseable and his source code isn't available anywhere that I can find so fixing his bugs in v9.04 (the
last one I think) is impossible it seems.

Well, the state is "working most of the time", which implies that it sometimes doesn't work and needs a restart.

This is good enough for a point or so, but it appeared too unstable to me to be
used as a node.
I guess the most stable mailer to be used via Internet on Amiga is TrapDoor with telser.device. I would like to see a new stable version of AmiBinkD, though, or a binkd implementation in GMS_Mailer... ;)

Ingo


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Hi Joacim,

On 2017-09-19 16:39:07, you wrote to All:

what is the status of the amiga port of Binkd?

Abandoned.

Useable?

Apparently not so much.

Zimmermanns

Rudi Timmermans !

hack (AmiBinkD) is more or less unuseable and his source code isn't available anywhere that I can find so fixing his bugs in v9.04 (the
last one I think) is impossible it seems.

He is still around (2:292/140), so you could try and ask him. But I don't know how active he is. And I think he sold his Amiga, so he can't fix anything.

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Joacim!

19 Sep 17 16:39, you wrote to all:

what is the status of the amiga port of Binkd? Useable? Zimmermanns
hack (AmiBinkD) is more or less unuseable and his source code isn't
available anywhere that I can find so fixing his bugs in v9.04 (the
last one I think) is impossible it seems.

Well, the state is "working most of the time", which implies that it sometimes doesn't work and needs a restart.

This is good enough for a point or so, but it appeared too unstable
to me to be used as a node.
I guess the most stable mailer to be used via Internet on Amiga is TrapDoor with telser.device. I would like to see a new stable version
of AmiBinkD, though, or a binkd implementation in GMS_Mailer... ;)

Ingo

Will TrapDoor be able to talk with other nodes that run BinkD?


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Wilfred,

He is still around (2:292/140), so you could try and ask him. But I don't know how active he is. And I think he sold his Amiga, so he can't fix anything.

He is Mac-only.

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Hello Joacim!

19 Sep 17 21:32, you wrote to me:

Well, the state is "working most of the time", which implies that
it sometimes doesn't work and needs a restart.

This is good enough for a point or so, but it appeared too
unstable to me to be used as a node. I guess the most stable
mailer to be used via Internet on Amiga is TrapDoor with
telser.device. I would like to see a new stable version of
AmiBinkD, though, or a binkd implementation in GMS_Mailer... ;)

Will TrapDoor be able to talk with other nodes that run BinkD?

It will be able to talk to other EMSI capable nodes, e.g nodes running ifcico, qico or others. Not sure if binkd is supporting EMSI or other protocols that TrapDoor would be able to use. Reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binkp I assume that binkd will not work with TrapDoor, but haven't tested this myself. But there are still nodes out there that carry the IFC flag. In fact I'm working to get ifcico running as well exactly for that purpose to connect with TrapDoor from my Amiga.

Ingo


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Hello Joacim!

19 Sep 17 21:32, you wrote to me:

Well, the state is "working most of the time", which implies that
it sometimes doesn't work and needs a restart.

This is good enough for a point or so, but it appeared too
unstable to me to be used as a node. I guess the most stable
mailer to be used via Internet on Amiga is TrapDoor with
telser.device. I would like to see a new stable version of
AmiBinkD, though, or a binkd implementation in GMS_Mailer... ;)

Will TrapDoor be able to talk with other nodes that run BinkD?

It will be able to talk to other EMSI capable nodes, e.g nodes
running ifcico, qico or others. Not sure if binkd is supporting EMSI
or other protocols that TrapDoor would be able to use. Reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binkp I assume that binkd will not work
with TrapDoor, but haven't tested this myself.
But there are still nodes out there that carry the IFC flag. In fact
I'm working to get ifcico running as well exactly for that purpose to connect with TrapDoor from my Amiga.

It would be awesome if Trapdoor would work with BinkD, but I guess that until we (if ever) have a stable port of Binkd for the Amiga that's the way to go, or
like I'm doing now - running Binkd and Crashmail in a Linux box and then feed the .msg files via NFS to the Amiga.


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Hello Ingo,

On Wednesday September 20 2017 07:24, you wrote to Joacim Melin:

Will TrapDoor be able to talk with other nodes that run BinkD?

It will be able to talk to other EMSI capable nodes, e.g nodes running ifcico, qico or others. Not sure if binkd is supporting EMSI or other protocols that TrapDoor would be able to use.

Binkd does binkp and binkp only. The binkp protocol is optimized for Fido over IP.

EMSI is optimized for modem over POTS. If you want to wallow in nostagia over old protocols, do it right. Get yourself a modem and a POTS line and do EMSI over POTS. That was what it was designed for.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Michiel!

20 Sep 17 15:53, you wrote to me:

EMSI is optimized for modem over POTS. If you want to wallow in
nostagia over old protocols, do it right. Get yourself a modem and a
POTS line and do EMSI over POTS. That was what it was designed for.

That's exactly what I want to do. Already got some modems and now trying to get
ifcico up & running on Linux. See the thread there.

I've to admit, installing and configuring binkd was quite easy comparing to gettig ifcico to work.

Therefor also my hopeful reference to GMS_Mailer as I was already in contact with the author and he wanted to find his sources on his old SCSI drives. Maybe
with some good talking to him we can persuade Mirko to work on a binkd implementation in GMS and then release as opensource. Or other way around... Who knows... ;-)

Ingo


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mvdv> EMSI is optimized for modem over POTS. If you want to wallow in
mvdv> nostagia over old protocols, do it right. Get yourself a modem
mvdv> and a POTS line and do EMSI over POTS. That was what it was
mvdv> designed for.

EMSI is an extensible session negotiation protocol and is not more or less suited for any particular transport layer. Now, if you want to talk about Zmodem and its efficiency over IP, then that's a different matter. But EMSI has, again, nothing to do with Zmodem.

If you're going to be rude to people, at least get your facts straight. And as far as POTS goes, we did FidoNet sessions over packet switching networks a long
time ago, and that had nothing to do with POTS.

There was a time, when there was something called session fallback, which usually meant FTS-1. Since I haven't gone through the entire stack of FTSC and Policy documents in a while, I'm guessing I will find something to the effect of "We don't need no common ground".

Thanks.



-joho

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On 2017 Sep 20 07:24:36, you wrote to Joacim Melin:

Not sure if binkd is supporting EMSI or other protocols

binkd *only* supports the binkp protocol... nothing else... this was one of the
main controversies when binkd was introduced...

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On 2017 Sep 20 15:53:14, you wrote to Ingo Juergensmann:

EMSI is optimized for modem over POTS. If you want to wallow in
nostagia over old protocols, do it right. Get yourself a modem and a
POTS line and do EMSI over POTS. That was what it was designed for.

EMSI works perfectly fine over telnet and vmodem transport mechanisms...

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Hello Joacim!

19 Sep 2017 16:39, Joacim Melin wrote to All:

Hi all,

what is the status of the amiga port of Binkd? Useable? Zimmermanns
hack (AmiBinkD) is more or less unuseable and his source code isn't available anywhere that I can find so fixing his bugs in v9.04 (the
last one I think) is impossible it seems.

it was coded in ASM, so he did his best with it, and no source, its like irex, no more updates there, so if there would be one of them implement binkp or even
emsi into a tcp frontend it would be nice move

on amiga i would keep telser.device handy for emsi connects

or find a node that could deliver to ftp accounts or email

irex can this


Regards Benny

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Hello Ingo!

19 Sep 2017 20:02, Ingo Juergensmann wrote to Joacim Melin:

binkd implementation in GMS_Mailer... ;)

bingo


Regards Benny

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Hello Wilfred!

19 Sep 2017 21:12, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Joacim Melin:

He is still around (2:292/140), so you could try and ask him. But I don't know how active he is. And I think he sold his Amiga, so he
can't fix anything.

cross compile it on a blackbarry then ? :=)


Regards Benny

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Hello Joacim!

19 Sep 2017 21:32, Joacim Melin wrote to Ingo Juergensmann:

Will TrapDoor be able to talk with other nodes that run BinkD?

only emsi


Regards Benny

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Hello Ingo!

20 Sep 2017 07:24, Ingo Juergensmann wrote to Joacim Melin:

But there are still nodes out there that carry the IFC flag. In fact
I'm working to get ifcico running as well exactly for that purpose to connect with TrapDoor from my Amiga.

i have hoped for emsi support in binkp aswell, so i can drop expansive modems :=)


Regards Benny

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Hello Joacim!

20 Sep 2017 15:25, Joacim Melin wrote to Ingo Juergensmann:

Crashmail in a Linux box and then feed the .msg files via NFS to the Amiga.

miamidx ftp server, then linux box that deliver to amiga ftp server

or was it amyftpd ?, i have forgot all the nice things in miamidx :(


Regards Benny

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Hello Michiel!

20 Sep 2017 15:53, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Ingo Juergensmann:

MvdV> nostagia over old protocols, do it right. Get yourself a modem and a
MvdV> POTS line and do EMSI over POTS. That was what it was designed for.

bah, FRONTDOOR is using VMODEM with is basicly telser.device on amiga


Regards Benny

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Hello Ingo!

20 Sep 2017 17:59, Ingo Juergensmann wrote to Michiel van der Vlist:

SCSI drives. Maybe with some good talking to him we can persuade Mirko
to work on a binkd implementation in GMS and then release as
opensource. Or other way around... Who knows... ;-)

that would be nice for UAE on android/chromebooks :)


Regards Benny

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