Hi Ward,

On 2018-06-08 08:04:10, you wrote to Dallas Hinton:

I'm assuming you would have the proper contacts?

I can ask his son to look....other than that, no.

You know, it may or it may not be salvageable, but it is a piece of Fido history and personally it'd feel more comfortable if it sits on a HD somewhere from where it can be recuperated if someone wants to do

something

with it.

The source of Allfix is in possession of Ken Johnson 1:213/720, who did the coding and the last couple of releases of the 6.x version. He currently can't release it as opensource, because of used propriety code.

He wrote some messages in the ALLFIX_HELP area last february. I don't know his current status, but his system is not connectable:

+ 08 Jun 10:58:44 [4953] call to 1:213/720@fidonet
08 Jun 10:58:44 [4953] trying binkp.rail-city.net [71.83.99.146]...
? 08 Jun 10:58:47 [4953] connection to 1:213/720@fidonet failed: No route to host

:-(


Bye, Wilfred.

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Wilfred,

The source of Allfix is in possession of Ken Johnson 1:213/720, who did
the coding and the last couple of releases of the 6.x version. He
currently can't release it as opensource, because of used propriety code.

As was D'Bridge until Nick Andre got around the proprietary limitations...

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08 Jun 18 11:23, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

The source of Allfix is in possession of Ken Johnson 1:213/720, who
did the coding and the last couple of releases of the 6.x version.
He currently can't release it as opensource, because of used
propriety code.

As was D'Bridge until Nick Andre got around the proprietary
limitations...

And indeed the source to the timEd message editor was also open sourced back in
2000 by its author despite depending on the Mix C Database Toolchest, a third party commercial library. The commercial library was simply excluded from the code and the rest of it open-sourced with a GPL licence.

A few years later timEd was ported to Linux without the need for that library. (The library never supported Linux anyway.)

More recently, earlier this year I got around to fixing the old code from 2000 so the DOS, OS/2 & Windows versions of timEd could be rebuilt without the need for the commercial library.

Often these problems can ultimately be overcome so the entire thing remains open source, if people feel like spending time doing that.

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Often these problems can ultimately be overcome so the entire thing
remains open source, if people feel like spending time doing that.

Interesting story, Andrew.

Hobbyists have written some pretty awesome things.

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Hello Ward!

08 Jun 2018 13:11, Ward Dossche wrote to andrew clarke:

Often these problems can ultimately be overcome so the entire thing
remains open source, if people feel like spending time doing that.

Interesting story, Andrew.

Hobbyists have written some pretty awesome things.

is there a hope to see windews xp source code in github now ? :)


Regards Benny

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Re: Re: ALLFIX source
By: Wilfred van Velzen to Ward Dossche on Fri Jun 08 2018 11:01 am

The source of Allfix is in possession of Ken Johnson 1:213/720, who did the coding and the last couple of releases of the 6.x version. He currently can't release it as opensource, because of used propriety code.

He wrote some messages in the ALLFIX_HELP area last february. I don't know his current status, but his system is not connectable:

I'm his host, haven't seen him connect in the past few months. He'd had what seemed like recurring connection problems in the past, hope he'll
re-appear. I sent him an email just now.
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Re: ALLFIX source
By: andrew clarke to Ward Dossche on Fri Jun 08 2018 08:23 pm

And indeed the source to the timEd message editor was also open sourced back in 2000 by its author despite depending on the Mix C Database Toolchest, a third party commercial library.

There's a name from the past... I think I had a copy of Mix C in college.

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Interesting story, Andrew.

Hobbyists have written some pretty awesome things.

is there a hope to see windews xp source code in github now ? :)

Maybe you could write it?

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Hello Ward!

08 Jun 2018 16:04, Ward Dossche wrote to Benny Pedersen:

is there a hope to see windews xp source code in github now ? :)

Maybe you could write it?

i have to make a debug of basic roms first, as bill gates writed windows xp in compiled basic code :)

any computer will in future have basic even commodore 128d have it in roms, remember 640k is enough for anyone :)

i could start Comal in github and hope for the better programmers wake up


Regards Benny

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On 08 Jun 18 14:39:02, Benny Pedersen said the following to Ward Dossche:

Hello Ward!

08 Jun 2018 16:04, Ward Dossche wrote to Benny Pedersen:

is there a hope to see windews xp source code in github now ? :)

Maybe you could write it?

i have to make a debug of basic roms first, as bill gates writed windows xp compiled basic code :)

I expect your copy of Windows XP to work on my dual-floppy Tandy 1000.

Nick

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I expect your copy of Windows XP to work on my dual-floppy Tandy 1000.

You still have a dual-floppy Tandy-1000? ??

<drool>

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On 08 Jun 18 20:24:30, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

I expect your copy of Windows XP to work on my dual-floppy Tandy 1000.

You still have a dual-floppy Tandy-1000? ??

Its sitting in a basement at my mom's in BC... along with more boxes of records, a large collection of comic books, baseball & hockey cards, etc. childhood stuff from the 80's that I have not had a chance to ship those here to Toronto.

It has the 40 megabyte ESDI hard drive upgrade if I remember correctly,
costing an me an entire teenage summer of mowing lawns and babysitting to afford.

Probably still has DOS 3.3, Lotus 123, Wordperfect, Harvard Graphics, etc. all the stuff I used for typing term papers and school reports on.

My typewriter is out there too...

Nick

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Ward Dossche wrote to Benny Pedersen <=-

is there a hope to see windews xp source code in github now ? :)

Maybe you could write it?

Google ReactOS. :)


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On 2018 Jun 08 12:35:12, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

is there a hope to see windews xp source code in github now ? :)

bite your tongue! that made me puke in my mouth... yuck...

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with it.

The source of Allfix is in possession of Ken Johnson
1:213/720, who did the coding and the last couple of
releases of the 6.x version. He currently can't release it
as opensource, because of used propriety code.

The source is in the possession of both Ken and myself as I provide a copy of the source to Bob Seaborn when I left Fidonet back in early 2000. Ken has the more current code since he has been working on it.

He wrote some messages in the ALLFIX_HELP area last
february. I don't know his current status, but his system
is not connectable:

I talked with Ken a few times since Bob passed and recently he has all the code
now compiling with FPC but has lots of errors so he is working thru it.

No ETA of when he will have it ready at the current time but something new is coming. :)


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The source of Allfix is in possession of Ken Johnson 1:213/720, who

didWv> the coding and the last couple of releases of the
6.x version. He

currently can't release it as opensource, because of used propriety

code.

Not sure what propriety code Ken may be refering to but he may have found something I was not aware of but when I picked up the entire package from Harms, nothing was mentioned and nothing jumped out when I was coding it (back in the day) that made me think it was propriety but I may have missed something. Maybe. :)


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Hi Dale -- on Jun 08 2018 at 22:56, you wrote:

The source is in the possession of both Ken and myself as I provide
a copy of the source to Bob Seaborn when I left Fidonet back in
early 2000. Ken has the more current code since he has been working
on it.

Thanks for the update, Dale - I'll butt out! :-)



Cheers... Dallas

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Dale,

Not sure what propriety code Ken may be refering to but he may have found something I was not aware of but when I picked up the entire package from Harms, nothing was mentioned and nothing jumped out when I was coding it (back
in the day) that made me think it was propriety but I may have missed something. Maybe. :)

At some point by people claiming to be in the know, I was told that Bob actually bought the code and was sitting on it,

Any truth in that or a wild story?

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Hi Dale,

On 2018-06-08 22:56:52, you wrote to me:

The source is in the possession of both Ken and myself as I provide a
copy of the source to Bob Seaborn when I left Fidonet back in early
2000. Ken has the more current code since he has been working on it.

That's good to hear!

He wrote some messages in the ALLFIX_HELP area last february. I don't
know his current status, but his system is not connectable:

I talked with Ken a few times since Bob passed and recently he has all
the code now compiling with FPC but has lots of errors so he is
working thru it.

Also good! ;)

No ETA of when he will have it ready at the current time but something
new is coming. :)

Does he know his system is offline?

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Dale,

On 2018-06-08 22:58:59, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

Not sure what propriety code Ken may be refering to but he may have
found something I was not aware of but when I picked up the entire
package from Harms, nothing was mentioned and nothing jumped out when
I was coding it (back in the day) that made me think it was propriety
but I may have missed something. Maybe. :)

This is a quote from a message in the ALLFIX_HELP area in february by Ken:

And opensourcing it?

We will see if I get some of the proprietary code removed.

Bye, Wilfred.

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On Sat Jun-09-2018 08:50, Ward Dossche (2:292/854) wrote to Dale Barnes:

Dale,

Not sure what propriety code Ken may be refering to but he may have found something I was not aware of but when I picked up the entire package from Harms, nothing was mentioned and nothing jumped out when I was coding it (back in the day) that made me think it was propriety but I may
have missed something. Maybe. :)

At some point by people claiming to be in the know, I was told that
Bob actually bought the code and was sitting on it,

That's what Bob told me.

Any truth in that or a wild story?

I believed him.


Regards,

Roger
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The source is in the possession of both Ken and myself as I

provideDB> a copy of the source to Bob Seaborn when I left
Fidonet back in

early 2000. Ken has the more current code since he has been

workingDB> on it.

Thanks for the update, Dale - I'll butt out! :-)

LOL, no reason to. I did email Ken last night that folks where asking about him and AllFix.


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in the day) that made me think it was propriety but I may have

missedDB> something. Maybe. :)

At some point by people claiming to be in the know, I was
told that Bob actually bought the code and was sitting on
it,

Any truth in that or a wild story?

We are a bit off topic in this echo so I will make this brief.

Wild Story. Your source is not in the know. :)


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Does he know his system is offline?

Bye, Wilfred.

He is having some trouble but it sounded like he needed to work with his NC to get it resolved.


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And opensourcing it?

We will see if I get some of the proprietary code removed.

Yes, I am aware of what he stated but I went thru the code again and did not see any copyrights on any package that was proprietary but he may have found something I did not notice before.


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At some point by people claiming to be in the know, I was told that
Bob actually bought the code and was sitting on it,

That's what Bob told me.

Any truth in that or a wild story?

I believed him.

Bob was a friend of mine and we did business together. The code was given to him. It could have been viewed as payment for other things we were working on or loss of income for projects that I was not going to be able to complete due to exiting fidonet. So in his eyes, I could see his point of view that he purchased it and would make that statement but no money or contract exchanged between us when I turned it over to him.


Bob and I spent lots of time talking, coding and spending money on our hobby and the great ideas we had. It was also 16 years ago and other than the emails
I have, my memory on all details is not what it use to be. :)

Ken I am sure will release something pretty good once he can get the resources on it.


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Hi Dale,

On 2018-06-09 10:59:24, you wrote to me:

And opensourcing it?

We will see if I get some of the proprietary code removed.

Yes, I am aware of what he stated but I went thru the code again and
did not see any copyrights on any package that was proprietary but he
may have found something I did not notice before.

No linking to commercial libraries, for instance?

Bye, Wilfred.

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did not see any copyrights on any package that was proprietary but he
may have found something I did not notice before.

No linking to commercial libraries, for instance?

None that I remember seeing but let's do this, can we move these talks to either the IMECHO or ALLFIX_HELP as I do not want distract from the topic of this echo on this unless no one objects. Also remember Ken is working with newer code so it is possible they started using a commerical package in it.


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did not see any copyrights on any package that was proprietary but he
may have found something I did not notice before.

No linking to commercial libraries, for instance?

None that I remember seeing but let's do this, can we move these talks to either the IMECHO or ALLFIX_HELP as I do not want distract from the topic of this echo on this unless no one objects. Also remember Ken is working with newer code so it is possible they started using a commerical package in it.


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On Sat Jun-09-2018 11:13, Dale Barnes (1:220/60) wrote to Roger Nelson:

At some point by people claiming to be in the know, I was told that
Bob actually bought the code and was sitting on it,

That's what Bob told me.

Any truth in that or a wild story?

I believed him.

Bob was a friend of mine and we did business together.

Although we nevr met, rarely was there a time when I didn't spend at least an hour speaking to him on the phone, and that was quite often. He was a big help
to me and when he passed, his son called me to let me know so I could post the sad news in FN_SYSOP. I considered Bob a dear friend.

The code was given to him. It could have been viewed as payment
for other things we were working on or loss of income for projects
that I was not going to be able to complete due to exiting
fidonet. So in his eyes, I could see his point of view that he
purchased it and would make that statement but no money or
contract exchanged between us when I turned it over to him.

I can see it happening that way. Memory fades with time and it was probably the way you stated. He told me about it over the phone years ago, so I have no
clear recollection of it.

Bob and I spent lots of time talking, coding and spending money on
our hobby and the great ideas we had. It was also 16 years ago and
other than the emails I have, my memory on all details is not what
it use to be. :)

The first call I received from him was when I was elected R19EC back in the late Nineties. It had to be a Kodak moment for me when he told me who he was and that he didn't know whether to congratulate me or offer his condolences. Either one would have been accurate.

Ken I am sure will release something pretty good once he can get
the resources on it.

I hope so.


Regards,

Roger
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