Hello David.

04 Nov 2001 07:07, you wrote to Paul Quinn:

Colour me dull, but, what is the purpose of running BinkleyTerm
without a modem?

To telnet in via the 'Net? :)

Walter

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Paul

03 Nov 01 23:38, Paul Quinn wrote to Ed Bailey:

Is there a way of running Binkleyterm without a modem? The modem is
not being recognized by the Windows XP operating system and I would
like to try this node on that system. I have it on a separate hard
drive which I swap out with this hard drive.
There is no idication that a new driver for the modem will work and
the W2K driver will not work.

At last! A question I can answer. :)

If you're running Binkley 2.60/Gamma-XR6 or later, you can have a
node operate without a modem. Just use the "NoModem" keyword in your .cfg file, like so...

[...]
; To make Bink start without a modem, only for OS/2 and
Win32-WinFOSSIL
NoModem
[...]

Oops... looks like it might be WinFossil-specific. Bugger. It works
a treat here, though, 'cause I do.

Colour me dull, but, what is the purpose of running BinkleyTerm without a modem?

Regards,
David

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Walter

12 Jan 02 18:19, Walter Medak wrote to David Drummond:

Colour me dull, but, what is the purpose of running BinkleyTerm
without a modem?

To telnet in via the 'Net? :)

Surely you'd use a BinkP program then? BinkleyTerm is designed for dialup.

Regards,
David

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Hi! David,

On 04 Nov 01 07:07, David Drummond wrote to Paul Quinn:

; To make Bink start without a modem, only for OS/2 and
Win32-WinFOSSIL
NoModem
[...]
Oops... looks like it might be WinFossil-specific. Bugger. It works
a treat here, though, 'cause I do.

Colour me dull, but, what is the purpose of running BinkleyTerm
without a modem?

It's explained on my webpage, David. Look again...

http://home.austarnet.com.au/quinn261/DOS_bats.html

Second paragraph. (No, I haven't added it since you asked. =B*)

Cheers,
Paul.

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Not necessarily,

Colour me dull, but, what is the purpose of running BinkleyTerm
without a modem?

To telnet in via the 'Net? :)

Surely you'd use a BinkP program then? BinkleyTerm is
designed for dialup.

There are some reasons to use pure TELNET and no BinkP at all. I don't use BinkP here at all but have had Bink for OS/2 up with VMODEM for Ray Gwinn's SIO
and OS/2 for a long time now with no problems. In the net here we also have that same situation going with COM/IP for the TELNET shim. It works very, very
well and has had no problems at all so far.

Sleep well; OS/2's still awake! ;)

Mike @ 1:117/3001

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Hello, David...

Jan 13, 2002 at 22:31, David Drummond wrote to Walter Medak:

Colour me dull, but, what is the purpose of running BinkleyTerm
without a modem?

To telnet in via the 'Net? :)

Surely you'd use a BinkP program then? BinkleyTerm is designed for dialup.

Some people use normal Fido protocols over a telnet connection using something that imitates a modem (VModem, for example). BinkP is a completely different protocol, as you probably know.

Regards,

Jerry Schwartz

mailto:jerryschwartz@comfortable.com
http://www.writebynight.com

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Surely you'd use a BinkP program then? BinkleyTerm is
designed for dialup.

There are some reasons to use pure TELNET and no BinkP
at all. I don't use BinkP here at all but have had
Bink for OS/2 up with VMODEM for Ray Gwinn's SIO and
OS/2 for a long time now with no problems. In the net
here we also have that same situation going with COM/IP
for the TELNET shim. It works very, very well and has
had no problems at all so far.

Mike:

If you would like to suppliment your protocols by adding BinkP support, just ask me.... Adding BinkP support to an existing OS/2 Binkley based setup is real easy.... :)

Take care.....

Bob Jones, 1:343/41


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Bob ..

Mike:

If you would like to suppliment your protocols by
adding BinkP support, just ask me.... Adding BinkP
support to an existing OS/2 Binkley based setup is
real easy.... :)

I might take you up on that, but answer me a question?

When I first looked into this deal of BinkP, I noticed that I think I recall that it has a sort of a separate 'nodelist' and directory structure for outbound and so on. As I first think I saw all this, you create a separate directory structure to handle the traffic. Then wherever something shows up in
it to mash in or out, it goes to work and does that.

My problem with this is that for what I needed outside the FidoNet realm,there are a stack of systems that are built into the NodeList here as part of a .PVT addition. That's a common way of doing things based on many years of watching this and that. If there are changes in routing numbers and all that stuff, distributing the necesary update to the .PVT file and having it auto-compile for node addressing, where there is absolutely no capability at all to remotely
maintain any of these extraneous nodes, could and can be done with the TELNET game and so on. But tooling up to do this with the BinkP game seemed just destined for misery as I first saw this.

I grant you that the whole process of BinkP is better in some or perhaps many ways! But what is your thought if you have to remotely maintain twenty or thirty sites that nobody is ever there to help you and there are hundreds of miles between them?

I think this sorta fell out this way for some very much bigger projects than some people may know about. Unless I was told wrong, as part of the TELNET game that went together YEARS ago in Texas for the Rural Medicine operation State-wide, it all went together with TELNET, for example! That, on top of the
fact that it was serviced and .. I think, to a great degree, still on the AS/400 game and now as it migrates upward into bigger and better IBM!

I did not know this at all until a couple months ago when that surfaced at the Fido Net 382 meeting over in Austin which I went to!

We tend to gloss over distances now in Fido and so on. But it's easy not to understand that there are some 254 counties in Texas. It is further from Texarkana, Texas, to El Paso, Texas, than it is from Texarkana to Chicago,Illinois! There are a TON of counties out there which are so empty and
underserved for communications, even yet today, that you still have to think carefully about bandwidth and text-based only systems!

You've never lived until you try to ride a BMW R60 motorcycle from El Paso to Austin through a fast moving cold front out there East of Fort Stockton. The thunderstorm got so damned bad I literally couldn't see the edge of the pavement even on a bike! So I finally pulled over and then watched the hail get bigger and bigger and bigger - with no place to hide! In sheer panic I finally laid the R60 down on its side and curled up under it to get out of the golf ball sized hail and prayed and prayed it wouldn't get any bigger! As I high time instrument aircraft pilot, I really had more fear of that day in hail
than I've ever had upstairs in the Beech Baron's we had with radar in them! Yes, it's a LONG way in Texas, just to check your mail in some places Bob!

And afterward - in the broiling sun, you have no idea how sweet the sagebrush smells afterward out in the open like that until you've been there! So I have to keep TELNET at the same time I consider BinkP!

I've managed to figure out, with a lot of help here, how to get a complete POTS
and TELNET dual task implementation of BINK running with a single dynamic NodeList that does compile quite well and work for both tasks. That includes dynamic splits between which nodes are POTS and which are TELNET that filter out of cost-based decision routing in the QNODE.CFG that I use.

If you want to start a teaching course here on how to implement this in a compatitble way to do it with a common NodeList and so on, so that I can maintain my current working dual more creature, I would GLADLY pay attention to
you!!

I have learned more from Fido people, I think, than I've ever learned from the Usenet pounding, although there are some VERY sharp and fine people there too!

Sleep well; OS/2's still awake! ;)

Mike @ 1:117/3001

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I used to use BinkleyTerm when I was dialup, now I use BinkD via the 'net.

Hi David,
Care to share your BinkD settings. I'm transferring my DOS system to the Windows XP system so as to have one dialup and several telnet nodes. I currently run EleBBS and Binkley 2.50.

Later...


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I used to use BinkleyTerm when I was dialup, now I use BinkD via the
'net.

Hi David,
Thanks for sharing those setting with me.

Later...


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