• BBS under linux

    From Bo Simonsen@2:236/100 to Russell Tiedt on Friday, July 11, 2003 10:46:20
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    Hello Russell!

    Jul 10 16:43 03, Russell Tiedt wrote to Bo Simonsen:

    I know, but there is no way, to see what it sends to the modem/TA in
    ifcico.. :(

    But imho bt is simply the best.

    BinkleyTerm XE keeps the
    comport for it's exclusive use, and wioth only two comports available
    for use, well that is not a good, use of resources from my point of view. :-)

    Yeah we talked about that, but there should be somekind of suspend option in BTXE. But binkleyterm is the only mailer i'm feeling safe about, so i'll use it
    :-)

    And i shutdown the mailer if i shall use somekind of other problem.

    Each unto his own, preferances that is. <BG>

    :-)

    Regards,
    Bo

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  • From Russell Tiedt@5:7105/1 to Bo Simonsen on Saturday, July 12, 2003 15:35:19
    Hello Bo.

    11 Jul 03 09:46, you wrote to me:

    I know, but there is no way, to see what it sends to the
    modem/TA in ifcico.. :(

    tail -f /opt/mbse/log/system.log gives me a similar indication of what is being done during a connection, as happens while Binkley term does, with "mbcico" which is a ifcico derivative work.

    But imho bt is simply the best.

    :-)

    BinkleyTerm XE keeps the
    comport for it's exclusive use, and wioth only two comports
    available for use, well that is not a good, use of resources
    from my point of view. :-)

    Yeah we talked about that, but there should be somekind of suspend
    option in BTXE. But binkleyterm is the only mailer i'm feeling safe
    about, so i'll use it :-)

    Well, it seems that it is the only one that will work with Maximus for Linux/FreeBSD, so on my Maximus system, I will also use it. <grin>

    And i shutdown the mailer if i shall use somekind of other problem.

    Can live with that, ...

    Each unto his own, preferances that is. <BG>

    :-)

    Hmmm ...

    Russell

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    * Origin: Rusty's BBS - Bloemfontein, Free State, South Africa (5:7105/1)
  • From Bo Simonsen@2:236/100 to Russell Tiedt on Monday, July 14, 2003 13:52:34
    Hello Russell!

    Jul 12 14:35 03, Russell Tiedt wrote to Bo Simonsen:

    I know, but there is no way, to see what it sends to the
    modem/TA in ifcico.. :(

    tail -f /opt/mbse/log/system.log gives me a similar indication of
    what is
    being done during a connection, as happens while Binkley term does,
    with
    "mbcico" which is a ifcico derivative work.

    Still the thing i'm missing is the Alt-V feature in Binkleyterm neither mgetty or mb/ifcico can provide that.

    Yeah we talked about that, but there should be somekind of suspend
    option in BTXE. But binkleyterm is the only mailer i'm feeling safe
    about, so i'll use it :-)

    Well, it seems that it is the only one that will work with Maximus
    for
    Linux/FreeBSD, so on my Maximus system, I will also use it. <grin>

    :-)

    And i shutdown the mailer if i shall use somekind of other problem.

    Can live with that, ...

    i meant 'program whitch should use the modem' :)

    Regards,
    Bo

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  • From Vince Coen@2:257/609 to Russell Tiedt on Monday, July 14, 2003 13:03:58
    Hello Russell!

    12 Jul 03 14:35, you wrote to Bo Simonsen:

    BinkleyTerm XE keeps the comport for it's exclusive use, and wioth
    only two comports available for use, well that is not a good, use
    of resources from my point of view. :-)

    Yeah we talked about that, but there should be somekind of
    suspend option in BTXE. But binkleyterm is the only mailer i'm
    feeling safe about, so i'll use it :-)

    Well, it seems that it is the only one that will work with Maximus for Linux/FreeBSD, so on my Maximus system, I will also use it. <grin>

    Not sure what your problem is based on the above but,... Binkleyterm will
    pass to the bbs the comport used and thereafter the bbs takes over the com port until finished when it is passed back to binkley.

    If you need to use the com port for other purposes such as Fax then you need to set that up within the binkley config file.


    Vince

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  • From Russell Tiedt@5:7105/1 to Vince Coen on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 18:29:44
    Hello Vince.

    14 Jul 03 12:03, you wrote to me:

    BinkleyTerm XE keeps the comport for it's exclusive use, and
    wioth only two comports available for use, well that is not a
    good, use of resources from my point of view. :-)

    Yeah we talked about that, but there should be somekind of
    suspend option in BTXE. But binkleyterm is the only mailer i'm
    feeling safe about, so i'll use it :-)

    Well, it seems that it is the only one that will work with
    Maximus for Linux/FreeBSD, so on my Maximus system, I will also
    use it. <grin>

    Not sure what your problem is based on the above but,... Binkleyterm
    will pass to the bbs the comport used and thereafter the bbs takes
    over the com port until finished when it is passed back to binkley.

    No problem, as such, just that Binkley Term controling the "Com Port" is not as flexable or convient to use as mgetty/getty_ps and mbcico/ifcico. For the most part, call it personal preferance if you must. :-)

    If you need to use the com port for other purposes such as Fax then
    you need to set that up within the binkley config file.

    Fax, I seldom use, but PPP is something I use a lot.

    Russell

    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.4.7
    * Origin: Rusty's BBS - Bloemfontein, Free State, South Africa (5:7105/1)
  • From Russell Tiedt@5:7105/1 to Bo Simonsen on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 18:34:11
    Hello Bo.

    14 Jul 03 12:52, you wrote to me:

    I know, but there is no way, to see what it sends to the
    modem/TA in ifcico.. :(

    tail -f /opt/mbse/log/system.log gives me a similar indication of
    what is being done during a connection, as happens while
    Binkley term does, with "mbcico" which is a ifcico derivative
    work.

    Still the thing i'm missing is the Alt-V feature in Binkleyterm
    neither mgetty or mb/ifcico can provide that.

    Okay ...

    Yeah we talked about that, but there should be somekind of
    suspend option in BTXE. But binkleyterm is the only mailer i'm
    feeling safe about, so i'll use it :-)

    Well, it seems that it is the only one that will work with
    Maximus for Linux/FreeBSD, so on my Maximus system, I will also
    use it. <grin>

    :-)

    And i shutdown the mailer if i shall use somekind of other
    problem.

    Can live with that, ...

    i meant 'program whitch should use the modem' :)

    Yeah, I know, and I can live with the limitation, if need be. :-)

    Russell

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  • From Vince Coen@2:257/609 to Russell Tiedt on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 14:12:47
    Hello Russell!

    15 Jul 03 17:29, you wrote to me:

    No problem, as such, just that Binkley Term controling the "Com Port"
    is not as flexable or convient to use as mgetty/getty_ps and mbcico/ifcico. For the most part, call it personal preferance if you
    must. :-)

    If you need to use the com port for other purposes such as Fax
    then you need to set that up within the binkley config file.

    Fax, I seldom use, but PPP is something I use a lot.

    Hmm, PPP might be a problem but, if you can call the PPP dialer (etc) from within Binkley then as above it will release the com port.

    Vince

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  • From Bo Simonsen@2:236/100 to Vince Coen on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 19:49:38
    Hello Vince!

    16 Jul 03 13:12, you wrote to Russell Tiedt:

    Hmm, PPP might be a problem but, if you can call the PPP dialer (etc)
    from within Binkley then as above it will release the com port.

    It _should_ be possible to start pppd from binkley, afaik in the documentation (if you can start a fax utility, you should could start a pppd)..

    Regards,
    Bo

    ... It's nice to be important but it's more important to be nice!
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  • From Russell Tiedt@5:7105/1 to Vince Coen on Friday, July 18, 2003 18:15:39
    Hello Vince.

    16 Jul 03 13:12, you wrote to me:

    If you need to use the com port for other purposes such as Fax
    then you need to set that up within the binkley config file.

    Fax, I seldom use, but PPP is something I use a lot.

    Hmm, PPP might be a problem but, if you can call the PPP dialer (etc)
    from within Binkley then as above it will release the com port.

    No idea, if it can be done from within Binkley, but I doudt it as I have seen no reference to Binkly being able to reconise a incoming PPP call, nor a way for it to release the port for a outgoing PPP call.

    Russell

    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.4.7
    * Origin: Rusty's BBS - Bloemfontein, Free State, South Africa (5:7105/1)
  • From Russell Tiedt@5:7105/1 to Bo Simonsen on Friday, July 18, 2003 18:18:07
    Hello Bo.

    16 Jul 03 18:49, you wrote to Vince Coen:

    Hmm, PPP might be a problem but, if you can call the PPP dialer
    (etc) from within Binkley then as above it will release the com
    port.

    It _should_ be possible to start pppd from binkley, afaik in the documentation (if you can start a fax utility, you should could start
    a pppd)..

    Starting PPPD from Binkley should not be a problem, but getting Binkley to reconise a incoming PPP call, and then start PPPD, I believe is.

    Russell

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  • From Bob Jones@1:343/41 to Russell Tiedt on Friday, July 18, 2003 23:03:46
    If you need to use the com port for other purposes such as Fax
    then you need to set that up within the binkley config file.

    Fax, I seldom use, but PPP is something I use a lot.

    Hmm, PPP might be a problem but, if you can call the PPP dialer (etc)
    from within Binkley then as above it will release the com port.

    No idea, if it can be done from within Binkley, but I
    doudt it as I have seen
    no reference to Binkly being able to reconise a
    incoming PPP call, nor a way
    for it to release the port for a outgoing PPP call.

    I have been tracking having Binkley run PPP as an external protocol for use under OS/2.... I've seen some comments, that in theory, it is possible to do.
    One catch is knowing the first characters to see from the remote end to determine the call is PPP (instead of FIDO or something else). This is needed to hook in an extern (like FAX) protocol. I have seen reference to running UUCP code under Binkley in an OS/2 environment....

    So, just as mgetty(?) can answer and hand off a PPP call, Binkley should be able to perform the exact same function. I might have to dig into the mgetty (or other appropriate software) to figure out what the initial characters of the PPP handshake are, but once you know those, the external protocol options in Binkley should be usable to spawn a program to start up a needed PPP connection....

    So, it should be do-able.... It may take some effort to figure everything out.


    Take care.....

    Bob Jones, 1:343/41

    --- Maximus/2 3.01
    * Origin: Top Hat 2 BBS (1:343/41)
  • From Vince Coen@2:257/609 to Russell Tiedt on Saturday, July 19, 2003 12:45:18
    Hello Russell!

    18 Jul 03 17:15, you wrote to me:

    Fax, I seldom use, but PPP is something I use a lot.

    Hmm, PPP might be a problem but, if you can call the PPP dialer
    (etc) from within Binkley then as above it will release the com
    port.

    No idea, if it can be done from within Binkley, but I doudt it as I
    have seen no reference to Binkly being able to reconise a incoming PPP call, nor a way for it to release the port for a outgoing PPP call.

    Ahh, sorry I thought you was referring to an outgoing call.

    Vince

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  • From Bo Simonsen@2:236/100 to Russell Tiedt on Sunday, July 20, 2003 09:40:14
    Hello Russell!

    18 Jul 03 17:18, you wrote to me:

    It _should_ be possible to start pppd from binkley, afaik in the
    documentation (if you can start a fax utility, you should could
    start a pppd)..

    Starting PPPD from Binkley should not be a problem, but getting
    Binkley to reconise a incoming PPP call, and then start PPPD, I
    believe is.

    Yeah! That's kinda tricky.. That's quite easy with mgetty, but i suppose it would be a problem with bt :(

    Regards,
    Bo

    ... Every momemt is another chance
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  • From Russell Tiedt@5:7105/1 to Bob Jones on Monday, July 21, 2003 21:45:06
    Hello Bob.

    18 Jul 03 22:03, you wrote to me:

    Hmm, PPP might be a problem but, if you can call the PPP dialer
    (etc) from within Binkley then as above it will release the com
    port.

    No idea, if it can be done from within Binkley, but I
    doudt it as I have seen
    no reference to Binkly being able to reconise a
    incoming PPP call, nor a way
    for it to release the port for a outgoing PPP call.

    I have been tracking having Binkley run PPP as an external protocol
    for use under OS/2.... I've seen some comments, that in theory, it is possible to do. One catch is knowing the first characters to see from
    the remote end to determine the call is PPP (instead of FIDO or
    something else). This is needed to hook in an extern (like FAX)
    protocol. I have seen reference to running UUCP code under Binkley in
    an OS/2 environment....

    So, just as mgetty(?) can answer and hand off a PPP call, Binkley
    should be able to perform the exact same function. I might have to
    dig into the mgetty (or other appropriate software) to figure out what
    the initial characters of the PPP handshake are, but once you know
    those, the external protocol options in Binkley should be usable to
    spawn a program to start up a needed PPP connection....

    So, it should be do-able.... It may take some effort to figure
    everything out.

    My thoughts too, I don't think that, until recently, much thought has been directed to how Binkley would re-act/inter-act on a system needing incoming/outgoing PPP connections, on it's tradional operating systems such a requirement did not exist.

    Thanks for your reply,

    Russell

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  • From Russell Tiedt@5:7105/1 to Vince Coen on Monday, July 21, 2003 21:48:39
    Hello Vince.

    19 Jul 03 11:45, you wrote to me:

    Fax, I seldom use, but PPP is something I use a lot.

    Hmm, PPP might be a problem but, if you can call the PPP dialer
    (etc) from within Binkley then as above it will release the com
    port.

    No idea, if it can be done from within Binkley, but I doudt it as
    I have seen no reference to Binkly being able to reconise a
    incoming PPP call, nor a way for it to release the port for a
    outgoing PPP call.

    Ahh, sorry I thought you was referring to an outgoing call.

    Hmm .. happens .. :-)

    Russell

    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.4.7
    * Origin: Rusty's BBS - Bloemfontein, Free State, South Africa (5:7105/1)
  • From Russell Tiedt@5:7105/1 to Bo Simonsen on Monday, July 21, 2003 21:49:27
    Hello Bo.

    20 Jul 03 08:40, you wrote to me:

    It _should_ be possible to start pppd from binkley, afaik in the
    documentation (if you can start a fax utility, you should could
    start a pppd)..

    Starting PPPD from Binkley should not be a problem, but getting
    Binkley to reconise a incoming PPP call, and then start PPPD, I
    believe is.

    Yeah! That's kinda tricky.. That's quite easy with mgetty, but i
    suppose it would be a problem with bt :(

    Hmmm ... yes, in it's current form, I think it is a problem, but I also have no idea, what it will take to solve it, tho in a previous post Bob Jones
    seems to have a reasonably good understanding/appreciation for the problem
    and a possible solution.

    So there is still hope fpr Binkley, yet. :-))

    Russell

    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.4.7
    * Origin: Rusty's BBS - Bloemfontein, Free State, South Africa (5:7105/1)
  • From Bob Jones@1:343/41 to Bo Simonsen on Monday, July 21, 2003 15:40:02
    Starting PPPD from Binkley should not be a problem, but getting
    Binkley to reconise a incoming PPP call, and then start PPPD, I
    believe is.

    Yeah! That's kinda tricky.. That's quite easy with
    mgetty, but i suppose it would be a problem with bt :(

    Ok....

    (1) Look up the initial characters sent to mgetty so that mgetty knows that a PPP handshake is requested....

    (2) Look up how to insert an external protocol for use with Binkley. I believe this is one way fax reception can be handled.....

    (3) Hook the PPPD daemon up to be called from binkley as an external protocol based on reception of the first (few) characters of the initial PPP hand shake sequence.....

    This should work....

    Ok, no I haven't tested it yet....

    Take care.....

    Bob Jones, 1:343/41


    --- Maximus/2 3.01
    * Origin: Top Hat 2 BBS (1:343/41)
  • From Bo Simonsen@2:236/100 to Bob Jones on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 02:51:04
    Hello Bob!

    21 Jul 03 14:40, you wrote to me:

    Yeah! That's kinda tricky.. That's quite easy with
    mgetty, but i suppose it would be a problem with bt :(

    Ok....

    (1) Look up the initial characters sent to mgetty so that mgetty
    knows that a PPP handshake is requested....

    Yeah ofcause.. The problem i could figure is that BTXE can't talking the PPP protocol over ISDN, so the caller should use V120 or X75 to establish the connection.

    (2) Look up how to insert an external protocol for use with Binkley.
    I believe this is one way fax reception can be handled.....

    Yep.

    (3) Hook the PPPD daemon up to be called from binkley as an external protocol based on reception of the first (few) characters of the
    initial PPP hand shake sequence.....

    I don't guess it would be a problem.

    Regards,
    Bo

    ... Every momemt is another chance
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  • From Bo Simonsen@2:236/100 to Russell Tiedt on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 12:08:45
    Mon 2003-07-21 20:49, Russell Tiedt (5:7105/1) wrote to Bo Simonsen:

    Starting PPPD from Binkley should not be a problem, but getting
    Binkley to reconise a incoming PPP call, and then start PPPD, I
    believe is.

    Yeah! That's kinda tricky.. That's quite easy with mgetty, but i
    suppose it would be a problem with bt :(

    Hmmm ... yes, in it's current form, I think it is a problem, but I
    also have no idea, what it will take to solve it, tho in a
    previous post Bob Jones seems to have a reasonably good understanding/appreciation for the problem and a possible
    solution.

    Yeah let's see if it works :-) Actuaully it's only to detect the ppp call (by some string) and then start the pppd. Then pppd will handle the rest.

    So there is still hope fpr Binkley, yet. :-))

    Ofcause there is, it's still the best :-)

    Regards, Bo

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  • From Benny Pedersen@2:237/53 to Bo Simonsen on Sunday, August 10, 2003 08:50:40
    Hello Bo!

    22 Jul 03 11:08, Bo Simonsen wrote to Russell Tiedt:

    Ofcause there is, it's still the best :-)

    then there is not much hope for the rest :-)

    but why is BTXE not using the connect strings ?

    so it can deliver the incomming call to the right program like pppd :)


    Regards Benny

    ... and it works :)

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  • From Bo Simonsen@2:236/100 to Benny Pedersen on Sunday, August 10, 2003 15:47:51
    Hello Benny!

    10 Aug 03 07:50, you wrote to me:

    Ofcause there is, it's still the best :-)

    then there is not much hope for the rest :-)

    Oh it could be a poem :-)

    but why is BTXE not using the connect strings ?

    You can call a external program from BTXE like mgetty does.

    so it can deliver the incomming call to the right program like pppd
    :)

    It _should_ be possible.

    Regards,
    Bo


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