Sveiks All!

Hopefully this will arrive.

BTW.. the Telegram gate for this echo is forthcoming.


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Hopefully this will arrive.

Got it here at least. :)

BTW.. the Telegram gate for this echo is forthcoming.

Coolness.

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Hi August,

On 2020-10-08 19:58:55, you wrote to All:

Sveiks All!

Gesundheid!

Hopefully this will arrive.

Why do you need a point number in Italy? ;)

Bye, Wilfred.

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Sveiks Alan!

08 Oct 20 11:29, you wrote to me:

BTW.. the Telegram gate for this echo is forthcoming.

Coolness.

I'm really warming up to the DT (desktop) version of the app with one full copy on my full pc and another on my laptop that I keep parked elsewhere.

It's like having a BBS screen and all the groups are visible, posts are searchable, and there is the option of breaking into P2P chat.

And.. it syncs across my desktop here at the shop and the laptop at home.

Combined with the smartphone app, it's neat to witness the announcement of a post as soon as it arrives. You can reply to something on the spot then, or move to the DT version so that you can use a proper keyboard.


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Sveiks Wilfred!

08 Oct 20 21:16, you wrote to me:

Sveiks All!

Gesundheid!

Thanks. I didn't have my mask on.

Hopefully this will arrive.

Why do you need a point number in Italy? ;)

Because I'm a world traveller and it's better than being pointless.



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Hello, Wilfred van Velzen.
On 10/8/20 9:16 PM you wrote:

Why do you need a point number in Italy? ;)

Probably because like me, he finds it easier to get a point outside of Z1 than in.

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Hi August,

On 2020-10-08 21:43:34, you wrote to me:

Sveiks All!

Gesundheid!

Thanks. I didn't have my mask on.

Is that mandatory, where you live?

Overhere it's only mandatory in public transport. In shops and supermarkets it isn't (yet). But the shop owners can require it of their customers. But I haven't seen that yet...

Hopefully this will arrive.

Why do you need a point number in Italy? ;)

Because I'm a world traveller and it's better than being pointless.

You could become a point of your own node? I do that...

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Wilfred!

** On Thursday 08.10.20 - 23:21, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to August Abolins:

Sveiks All!

Gesundheid!

BTW.. FYI, "Sveiks" is a common Latvian greeting.

Thanks. I didn't have my mask on.

Is that mandatory, where you live?

It seems to be a mandatory thing in the last few weeks. And,
if you are not wearing one, people look at you like you are
some icky disgusting creature dispensing germs everywhere.

Overhere it's only mandatory in public transport. In
shops and supermarkets it isn't (yet). But the shop
owners can require it of their customers. But I haven't
seen that yet...

Interesting that your shops have a choice. Here.. all "public
spaces" includes anywhere where the public can gather - and
that includes shops.

Why do you need a point number in Italy? ;)

Because I'm a world traveller and it's better than being
pointless.

You could become a point of your own node? I do that...

I know. But my journey back to BBSing/FTN began with
discovering FTN echomail readable on the internet. Then, I
learned about JamNNTP servers from an issue of the FIDONEWS
and that I could use Thunderbird to access echomail. I chose
Tommi's (Zone 2) system for starters. I liked the way the
JamNNTP solution maintained the FROM/TO names in the
conversation. I tried an NNTP feed in my native Zone 1,
briefly, but it wasn't JamNNTP and it didn't offer the FROM/TO
names.

Then, I discovered WinPoint and APoint. I thought that would
be good enough for me. So, Tommi graciously provided point
access.

The notion of being a full node intrigued me too. But I
really wasn't interested in the full management and
maintenance and all the auxiliary concerns of tossing and
converting messages. I didn't have a full 24/hr unlimited ISP
connection at my preferred location (at home) to drive users
to my potential BBS node anyway.

I looked at Mystic and Synchronet, briefly. I was impressed
with both.

D'Bridge provided some enlightenment to consider operating as
a node on a retro laptop that operated well with Windows XP at
my shop location where I have unlimited DSL. But I couldn't
get D'B it to cooperate with sending messages outside the
configured net/zone. I didn't like the limitations of the D'B
message/editor system. And I didn't have the patience to use
GoldEd with it if I could.

Then I learned about OpenXP and I was blown away.

I am impressed with Zone 2 implementation and maintenance of
the Z2 Pointlist. I'm "listed" in that one! :)

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Hello Charles!

** On Thursday 08.10.20 - 15:45, Charles Pierson wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

Why do you need a point number in Italy? ;)

Probably because like me, he finds it easier to get a
point outside of Z1 than in.

I just posted a brief "how I got here" story.

But I guess a part of what you said could be true. If I had
landed on a JamNNTP provider in Zone 1 the first time, then
*maybe* I would have ended up with a point in my own domestic
zone.

I don't see Zone 1 sysops eager to encourage point users.

The Z2 Pointlist is an amazing project. It speaks to the
openess and practicality of operating as a point when that is
a better option for a user.

BTW.. I am back in Finland for the evening. ;)


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Hello, August Abolins.
On 10/8/20 8:20 PM you wrote:

Probably because like me, he finds it easier to get a point
outside of Z1 than in.

I just posted a brief "how I got here" story.

I did read it. But I also have a tendency to give lowkey sarcastic replies.

But I guess a part of what you said could be true. If I had
landed on a JamNNTP provider in Zone 1 the first time, then
*maybe* I would have ended up with a point in my own domestic
zone.

I have no idea of what JamNNTP is.

I don't see Zone 1 sysops eager to encourage point users.

Exactly. I did have a zone 1 point a few years ago. But unfortunately the device died, and typical me, I didn't have the information backed up. I don't even remember the system, except it was in Canada.

This time around, I asked 20-25 Z1 sysops, who generally gave some weak answer about they weren't allowed to. I just figured that they didn't want to. That's fine.

Z2 was more welcoming. And Z4 as well, but there are issues along the line on messages traveling.

The Z2 Pointlist is an amazing project. It speaks to the openess
and practicality of operating as a point when that is a better
option for a user.

I would still like to eventually set up an actual BBS at some point. If only fir my own testing grounds.

But that's in the "do it later" pile.


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Hello, Wilfred van Velzen.
On 10/8/20 9:16 PM you wrote:

Why do you need a point number in Italy? ;)

A secondary answer for me is I like being able to "see" transit times on messages. I find it amazing if you think about it. I'm in Texas, sending messages to August, for example, who is in Canada. My message goes from here to Germany, arriving in Italy or Finland, and on to August in Canada, in an hour or so, barring any system problems along the way.



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Hello Charles!

** On Thursday 08.10.20 - 20:10, Charles Pierson wrote to August Abolins:

But I guess a part of what you said could be true. If I
had landed on a JamNNTP provider in Zone 1 the first
time, then *maybe* I would have ended up with a point in
my own domestic zone.

I have no idea of what JamNNTP is.

Look at a recent FIDONEWS newsletter for the section:

"
================================================
JAMNNTPD SERVERS LIST ================================================
The Johan Billing JamNNTPd project

"

The systems that operate JamNNTP servers generate a "From"
field that actually includes both the FROM and TO names in
that column. This makes it really nice to see to whom the
reply or message is written.

It is really nice to search, sort or filter that field for a
name you are looking for, or names you want to skip.

JamNNTP gets the fido TO/FROM info right.

I don't see Zone 1 sysops eager to encourage point users.

Exactly. I did have a zone 1 point a few years ago. But
unfortunately the device died, and typical me, I didn't
have the information backed up. I don't even remember
the system, except it was in Canada.

It would probably be easy enough to figure it out. If you
wrote in any of the echos, they are probably still stored on
somebody's system and you could probably find it.

The echomail archive at IPTIA might have it:

https://www.ipingthereforeiam.com/bbs/msgs/


Even Stas has a netmail-based message-find search available.
It might be fun to give it a spin with your criteria. Stas
posted a brief how-to/syntax in the FUTURE4FIDO echo not long
ago.

This time around, I asked 20-25 Z1 sysops, who generally
gave some weak answer about they weren't allowed to. I
just figured that they didn't want to. That's fine.

Initially, I also met some resistance and a simple "why not
just operate bbs" response. But I wasn't interested in being
a sysop. I just wanted to participate in echomail, first.

I did not want to deal with ZMH. I did not have 24/7 or
unlimited internet.

Z2 was more welcoming. And Z4 as well, but there are
issues along the line on messages traveling.

There are a handful of systems that form a web network. If you
pick one of those as your Boss node, then you can be assured
that the messages will move more reliably. Apparently,
Tommi's system is one of those. I got lucky.

I would still like to eventually set up an actual BBS at
some point. If only fir my own testing grounds.

But that's in the "do it later" pile.

Uh-Oh.. If you've already got a "pile", I have to wonder when
you will time to process it all?

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Hello, August Abolins.
On 10/8/20 10:40 PM you wrote:

I have no idea of what JamNNTP is.

Look at a recent FIDONEWS newsletter for the section:

I'll have to check that out.

It would probably be easy enough to figure it out. If you wrote
in any of the echos, they are probably still stored on
somebody's system and you could probably find it.

Possibly. I keep watching the BBS Ads echos to see if any names catch my attention.

The echomail archive at IPTIA might have it:
https://www.ipingthereforeiam.com/bbs/msgs/

I actually found a message there I wrote in 2003, when we were experimenting with Gating echos and email lists.

Even Stas has a netmail-based message-find search available. It
might be fun to give it a spin with your criteria. Stas posted
a brief how-to/syntax in the FUTURE4FIDO echo not long ago.

I'll have to look for that. It doesn't sound familiar.

Initially, I also met some resistance and a simple "why not just operate bbs" response. But I wasn't interested in being a
sysop. I just wanted to participate in echomail, first.

In theory, you can do a BBS mail only. I know, not the point.

I'm not sure what kind of bandwith requirements it takes. I'm sure it would depend on traffic. But if you set one up and don't really promote, you could basically have a "BBS" that basically just sends and receives mail all day.

Regardless, you would think someone that's involved enough in a hobby like BBSing to run a BBS would be happy to set someone up as a point on their system.

There are a handful of systems that form a web network. If you
pick one of those as your Boss node, then you can be assured
that the messages will move more reliably. Apparently, Tommi's
system is one of those. I got lucky.

I've never heard of that either. My Z2 Boss is generally reliable. Z4 is another story.

But that's in the "do it later" pile.

Uh-Oh.. If you've already got a "pile", I have to wonder when
you will time to process it all?

Likely 3 decades after I die. :)


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Hi August,

On 2020-10-08 20:03:00, you wrote to me:

Sveiks All!

Gesundheid!

BTW.. FYI, "Sveiks" is a common Latvian greeting.

Of course. ;)

Thanks. I didn't have my mask on.

Is that mandatory, where you live?

It seems to be a mandatory thing in the last few weeks. And,
if you are not wearing one, people look at you like you are
some icky disgusting creature dispensing germs everywhere.

We are not there yet.

Overhere it's only mandatory in public transport. In
shops and supermarkets it isn't (yet). But the shop
owners can require it of their customers. But I haven't
seen that yet...

Interesting that your shops have a choice. Here.. all "public
spaces" includes anywhere where the public can gather - and
that includes shops.

Well the governement strongly advises to wear a mask in public indoor places. So you see about half the public in my supermarket doing so...

I am impressed with Zone 2 implementation and maintenance of
the Z2 Pointlist. I'm "listed" in that one! :)

I suspect that in some parts of that list there is about 90% dead wood...

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Charles,

On 2020-10-08 20:18:40, you wrote to me:

Why do you need a point number in Italy? ;)

A secondary answer for me is I like being able to "see" transit times on messages. I find it amazing if you think about it. I'm in Texas, sending messages to August, for example, who is in Canada. My message goes from here to Germany, arriving in Italy or Finland, and on to August in Canada, in an hour or so, barring any system problems along the way.

An hour is very slow these days! ;)

Mail that arrives here is going out the door within a few seconds to the next nodes...

Bye, Wilfred.

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