• From The Horse's Mouth

    From Steve Asher@3:800/432 to All on Thursday, June 08, 2006 13:28:23
    If there is no room for freedom in Islam, as stated by Al Ghurabaa
    in the UK below, perhaps it is time for free nations to bite the
    bullet and conclude that that there is no room for Islam in free
    nations, instead of peddling the "distorted claims" that Islam is
    a noble religion of "freedom" and "tolerance", hijacked by a few
    terrorists etc.

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    There is no Room for Freedom in Islam

    Despite the insistent pleas of some apologetic sections of the Muslim
    community and their distorted claims that Islam "represents freedom"
    and "tolerance". The fact of the matter is that there is no room for
    freedom in Islam whatsoever, in fact Islam calls for the complete
    opposite, and end of all freedoms and the enslaving of all people to
    their lord.

    We do not want the slavery to our desires, money, women, man-made
    laws, Tony Blair etc like that offered by a free and democratic
    society, rather the Muslims believe in Islam, which is the total
    submission to Almighty Allah exclusively by worshipping Him (swt),
    obeying and following his commands and declaring complete intolerance,
    hatred, disassociation from Shirk (associating partners with Allah)
    and all of its people (i.e. all Jews, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs,
    atheists etc).

    The west calls for freedom of belief, to believe as you wish and
    worship as you wish and change your Deen as you wish. There is no
    space for this fallacy in Islam; in the Shari'ah it is well known
    that we have been ordered with "the one who changes his Deen, [to]
    kill him." And although under an Islamic authority nobody will be
    forced to embrace Islam, we do not accept for people to walk with
    their idols and crosses in the streets publicly, nor to build any
    new places of worship (though they may keep their existing ones).

    Another favourite of the west is the personal freedom to dress
    provocatively, to walk naked in the streets harming everybody in their
    way, freedom to look at pornography "as long as it is not children",
    freedom to drink themselves into a frenzy until they are drunk and
    begin to steal, rape, kill and beat their wives and children. To the
    point that "the Home Office has suggested that nearly a half of all
    violent crimes are alcohol related and a staggering 19,000 sexual
    assaults are also alcohol related."

    This is the fruits of freedom! How people live with this corruption in
    the name of freedom I will never understand! Allah (swt) ordered us to
    stay far away from alcohol and all other intoxicants cutting off all
    of these ills from the root. Islam ensures that nobody feels the urge
    to exercise any "freedom" to walk naked or dress provocatively or even
    to freemix let alone to destroy marriages and lives with fornication
    and adultery.

    And besides these and other freedoms to steal, cheat, extort etc in
    the name of "interest" and "profit" we have the famous freedom of
    speech and expression, boasted and "courageously" defended recently
    throughout Europe. So what is this "great" concept of freedom of
    expression?

    Strange - upon examination we find that it is nothing more than an
    excuse to lie, cheat, slander, backbite, swear, insult, mock and even
    defame all people in the name of this grand privilege to speak your
    mind. No, there is no room in Islam for this kind of evil concept,
    there is no freedom to lie, no freedom to slander, no freedom to
    swear, no freedom to insult any prophet and the prophet (saw) said,
    "whoever insults a prophet, kill him."

    So we find that the freedom that people worship is nothing more than
    an excuse to follow desires and corrupt societies, do you not think
    that Britain would be much better if the people were honest,
    trustworthy, decent people who did not swear, nor lie, nor slander
    each other, if they were not drunken rapists, criminals and adulterers
    like today but instead were sober and faithful HETERESEXUAL husbands
    and wives? Verily Britain will be so much better when governed under
    the Islamic rules in the coming days inshaa Allah.

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    Source: "Al Ghurabaa"
    http://www.alghurabaa.co.uk/articles/freedom.htm


    Cheers, Steve..

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    * Origin: Islam ("submission") - the name says it all (3:800/432)
  • From George Pope@1:153/715.1275 to Steve Asher on Friday, June 09, 2006 11:14:38
    On (08 Jun 06) Steve Asher wrote to All...
    So we find that the freedom that people worship is nothing more than
    an excuse to follow desires and corrupt societies, do you not think
    that Britain would be much better if the people were honest,
    trustworthy, decent people who did not swear, nor lie, nor slander
    each other, if they were not drunken rapists, criminals and adulterers like today but instead were sober and faithful HETERESEXUAL husbands
    and wives? Verily Britain will be so much better when governed under
    the Islamic rules in the coming days inshaa Allah.


    This would be ever so wonderful if everyone was happy and safe in every
    Muslim country, right?

    Because I care,
    |<+]::-) (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))


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  • From Steve Asher@3:800/432 to George Pope on Sunday, June 11, 2006 03:00:13
    Mulling over George Pope to Steve Asher 09 Jun 2006

    On (08 Jun 06) Steve Asher wrote to All...
    So we find that the freedom that people worship is nothing more than
    an excuse to follow desires and corrupt societies, do you not think
    that Britain would be much better if the people were honest,
    trustworthy, decent people who did not swear, nor lie, nor slander
    each other, if they were not drunken rapists, criminals and adulterers like today but instead were sober and faithful HETERESEXUAL husbands
    and wives? Verily Britain will be so much better when governed under
    the Islamic rules in the coming days inshaa Allah.


    This would be ever so wonderful if everyone was happy and safe in
    every Muslim country, right?

    It could never happen - if (hypothetically) everyone became a Muslim
    and lived in an Islamic Caliphate, there would be noone left to victimise
    and marginalise them, and subject them to Zionist / Crusader / Infidel persecution. They would have run out of excuses for their atrocities,
    rapes and murders, jihads, "martyrdom operations" etc etc.

    I think Britain will be so much better off when it tells the Muslims
    "on your bikes, sunshines"; "sling yer 'ooks" etc.

    Cheers, Steve..

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    * Origin: Xaragmata / Adelaide SA telnet://xaragmata.thebbs.org (3:800/432)
  • From George Pope@1:153/715.1275 to Steve Asher on Saturday, June 10, 2006 19:58:42
    On (11 Jun 06) Steve Asher wrote to George Pope...
    This would be ever so wonderful if everyone was happy and safe in every Muslim country, right?

    It could never happen - if (hypothetically) everyone became a Muslim
    and lived in an Islamic Caliphate, there would be noone left to
    victimise
    and marginalise them, and subject them to Zionist / Crusader / Infidel persecution. They would have run out of excuses for their atrocities, rapes and murders, jihads, "martyrdom operations" etc etc.

    Thus my sarcasm above -- of course, the Quran itself states the goal is
    an Islamic-only world, so theoretically achieving that would stop their bloodlust, but we know human nature is different. . .

    I think Britain will be so much better off when it tells the Muslims
    "on your bikes, sunshines"; "sling yer 'ooks" etc.

    'ooks?

    Because I care,
    |<+]::-) (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))


    --- PPoint 1.76
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  • From Steve Asher@3:800/432 to George Pope on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 23:11:41
    Mulling over George Pope to Steve Asher 10 Jun 2006

    G'day George,

    This would be ever so wonderful if everyone was happy and safe in every Muslim country, right?

    It could never happen - if (hypothetically) everyone became a Muslim
    and lived in an Islamic Caliphate, there would be noone left to
    victimise and marginalise them, and subject them to Zionist /
    Crusader / Infidel persecution. They would have run out of excuses
    for their atrocities, rapes and murders, jihads, "martyrdom
    operations" etc etc.

    Thus my sarcasm above -- of course, the Quran itself states the
    goal is an Islamic-only world, so theoretically achieving that
    would stop their bloodlust, but we know human nature is different.

    Indeed, and even if they allowed non-Muslims to live as Dhimmis and pay
    the Jizya tax, they would turn on each other, as they are doing now in
    Iraq etc.

    I think Britain will be so much better off when it tells the Muslims
    "on your bikes, sunshines"; "sling yer 'ooks" etc.

    'ooks?

    Hooks ... the "h" is silent.

    Cheers, Steve..

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    * Origin: Xaragmata / Adelaide SA telnet://xaragmata.thebbs.org (3:800/432)
  • From George Pope@1:153/715.1275 to Steve Asher on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 13:06:18
    On (13 Jun 06) Steve Asher wrote to George Pope...
    I think Britain will be so much better off when it tells the
    Muslims
    "on your bikes, sunshines"; "sling yer 'ooks" etc.

    'ooks?

    Hooks ... the "h" is silent.

    What are ooks? & i lsn't the h only silent in some regions?



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