• Re: Thought Police in Bri

    From PETER COGGON@1:123/140 to JEFF SNYDER on Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:29:00
    Hello Jeff.,

    Quoting Jeff Snyder to Peter Coggon <=-

    On 04/23/09, Jeff Snyder quoted PETER COGGON: Thought Police in
    Britain.
    Interesting posting, but then before it happened over here my friend also posted about the London Buses having signs on them proclaiming....

    "GOD doesn't Exist...Now you can get on with your lifes!"

    Hello Peter. I had heard that the British were turning into quite an ungodly people, but I didn't know that it had now gone that far. Amazing...or perhaps "sad" would be a better choice of words. :(

    Actually, this is pretty well old news, and sent to me long ago
    by an unbeliever, who was as a youth brought up the traditional
    way all through the war years, and...Jeff., Guess What?
    There are buses in North America, with this same slogan on them.
    Why, you might ask? Because they applied for them to be placed
    there, and they paid for them. Simple is the reason,.
    Cause and Effect.

    None of them, and that includes Mr. Dawkins impress me.

    They do look for reaction, and they mostly all seem like they
    have a chip on their shoulder, which is "ok" with me, but
    I have heard their opinion, and I would like to opinion on
    what they have said...but get shooted down.

    It is all "sad" ... oh well just thought I'd drop that one
    in and see if anyone saw it or not?

    Haven't tried your BBS yet Jeff. Still working those long hours
    with no pay and no OT ....

    ttfn

    Peter




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  • From Jeff Snyder@1:345/3777 to PETER COGGON on Friday, April 24, 2009 03:40:00
    On 04/24/09, Jeff Snyder quoted PETER COGGON: Re: Thought Police in Bri.

    Actually, this is pretty well old news, and sent to me long ago by an unbeliever, who was as a youth brought up the traditional way all through the war years, and...Jeff., Guess What? There are buses in North America, with this same slogan on them. Why, you might ask? Because they applied for them to be placed there, and they paid for them. Simple is the reason,. Cause and Effect.


    Hello again Peter. When you say "North America", do you mean just Canada, or the USA as well? For the record, I haven't lived in the continental USA for 26 years, so other than the online news that I read, or the news that some people send me via email, my information sources for what is actually going on in various parts of the country is somewhat limited.

    None of them, and that includes Mr. Dawkins impress me.

    They do look for reaction, and they mostly all seem like they have a chip on their shoulder, which is "ok" with me, but I have heard their opinion, and I would like to opinion on what they have said...but get shooted down.


    I have no idea who this Mr. Dawkins is. Is he one of those blatant, in-your-face atheists perhaps?

    Well, if I saw a bus which had a banner on it, which said in large letters
    that God does not exist, it would certainly get a reaction out of me. It would make me very upset, and I would find it very offensive.

    I find it appalling that such things are now permissible over there. Oh, how God must weep!

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  • From PETER COGGON@1:123/140 to JEFF SNYDER on Saturday, April 25, 2009 08:24:00
    Hello Jeff.,

    Quoting Jeff Snyder to Peter Coggon <=-

    Hello again Peter. When you say "North America", do you mean just
    Canada, or the USA as well? For the record, I haven't lived in the continental USA for 26 years, so other than the online news that I
    read, or the news that some people send me via email, my information sources for what is actually going on in various parts of the country
    is somewhat limited.

    North America , yes applies to CANADA and the USA. I heard there was
    this on a bus over here, but where, I have not found it, CANADA or
    the USA, and well all one has to do is apply, pay the fee, and
    theaten court for this or that reason under freedom of this or that.

    I'd take a picture. It would not offend me, in fact, if someone
    or group is that stupid to waste their money like this, then
    ok.

    I have no idea who this Mr. Dawkins is. Is he one of those blatant, in-your-face atheists perhaps?

    Oh yeah. I saw him on TV one night, and he went balistic over
    a question of the interviewer.

    Well, if I saw a bus which had a banner on it, which said in large
    letters that God does not exist, it would certainly get a reaction out
    of me. It would make me very upset, and I would find it very offensive.

    Some are offended, as Steve Asher has reported. Drivers apparently
    refusing to drive buses with this message on them, that attacks their
    faith that there is a GOD. I personally would not drive the bus
    out of fear of the bus being attacked for the sign, which they'
    could have, so long as the passengers and bus are ok.

    I find it appalling that such things are now permissible over there.
    Oh, how God must weep!

    Jeff. It seems, it is still going to happen as more time goes by.

    I have no reason to oppose Mr. Dawkins, and the rest of the atheists
    of the world. They are welcome to their beliefs , as much as I am
    mine, which are a faith in GOD. I am not pleased when these
    atheists call me, to push their agenda, and I am not pleased when
    they try one sided to push free time, and I am really opposed when
    they try shut me up for having faith in GOD. I usually terminate
    their call, and hear about it later. Had a few with the openline
    show, and if they don't like the reply, or allow me to reply with
    same timeline, then they don't get back on. And if they call
    the powers to be, then so be it. I never cared then and thanks
    I am not having these problems now, because they must be multiplied
    now.

    As far as I am concerned, I want a banner that they don't exist,
    but then I don't want to waste money on them. Not worth it,
    so now well ignored.

    ttfn

    Peter


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  • From Jeff Snyder@1:345/3777 to PETER COGGON on Sunday, April 26, 2009 10:32:00
    On 04/26/09, Jeff Snyder quoted PETER COGGON: Re: Thought Police in Bri.

    As far as I am concerned, I want a banner that they don't exist, but then I don't want to waste money on them. Not worth it, so now well ignored.


    Ha! That's a good one Peter! :)

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  • From Bob Ackley@1:300/3 to PETER COGGON on Monday, April 27, 2009 04:35:44
    Replying to a message of PETER COGGON to JEFF SNYDER:

    Well, if I saw a bus which had a banner on it, which said in large
    letters that God does not exist, it would certainly get a reaction
    out of me. It would make me very upset, and I would find it very
    offensive.

    Some are offended, as Steve Asher has reported. Drivers apparently refusing to drive buses with this message on them, that attacks their faith that there is a GOD. I personally would not drive the bus
    out of fear of the bus being attacked for the sign, which they' could have, so long as the passengers and bus are ok.

    During the past Christmas season an atheist group was allowed to put up a
    large sign saying basically that there was no God, that the Christian story of Christmas is a myth and that the celebration was co-opted by Christians from the pagan mid-winter festival (which it was). The sign was placed next to
    a manger scene and a Jewish menorah. The Christian right wing went absolutely ballistic over the sign - and some good, God-fearing Christian stole it.

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  • From PETER COGGON@1:123/140 to BOB ACKLEY on Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:39:00
    Hello Bob.,

    Before starting, I hope you are having a speedy recovery.

    Quoting Bob Ackley to Peter Coggon <=-

    During the past Christmas season an atheist group was allowed to put
    up a large sign saying basically that there was no God, that the
    Christian story of Christmas is a myth and that the celebration was co-opted by Christians from the pagan mid-winter festival (which it
    was). The sign was placed next to a manger scene and a Jewish menorah.

    For some reason Bob ... I think I saw either this one or another and
    at the Christmas Season, and they were switching names to less offensive
    as the "Holiday Season" and others, and I thought how ....well I shall
    omit the words.

    In Rome do as Romans do .... echoed...and I thought..if they whomever
    come here, they will have to accept things they find offensive...sorry
    but in their country, well those coming there have to accept it all
    and thats it...only here it seems, we bend over backwards to appease
    these minorities.

    In one Arab country, to celebrate Christmas, one has to arrange for
    a most remote place to be secured to enjoy one's religious believe
    which is Christmas.

    The Christian right wing went absolutely ballistic over the sign - and some good, God-fearing Christian stole it.
    -!- FleetStreet 1.19+
    ! Origin: Bob's Boneyard, Emerson, Iowa (1:300/3)

    Well I would too, and it isn't religious. I have no problems with
    any faith celebrating, but please don't imped my believes.

    Can not even call it a Christnas tree anymore...but a "Holiday Tree"
    and it has gone far enough. I am not going to worry about it
    being found. If a God-fearing Christian stole it or not...I
    am glad someone did something. OK illegal..theft..whatever.

    ttfn

    Peter



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  • From Bob Ackley@1:300/3 to PETER COGGON on Wednesday, April 29, 2009 05:11:24
    Replying to a message of PETER COGGON to BOB ACKLEY:

    During the past Christmas season an atheist group was allowed to put
    up a large sign saying basically that there was no God, that the
    Christian story of Christmas is a myth and that the celebration was
    co-opted by Christians from the pagan mid-winter festival (which it
    was). The sign was placed next to a manger scene and a Jewish
    menorah.

    For some reason Bob ... I think I saw either this one or another and
    at the Christmas Season, and they were switching names to less
    offensive as the "Holiday Season" and others, and I thought how
    ....well I shall omit the words.

    In Rome do as Romans do .... echoed...and I thought..if they whomever
    come here, they will have to accept things they find
    offensive...sorry but in their country, well those coming there have
    to accept it all and thats it...only here it seems, we bend over
    backwards to appease these minorities.

    In one Arab country, to celebrate Christmas, one has to arrange for a most remote place to be secured to enjoy one's religious believe
    which is Christmas.

    The Christian right wing went absolutely ballistic over the sign -
    and some good, God-fearing Christian stole it. -!- FleetStreet
    1.19+ ! Origin: Bob's Boneyard, Emerson, Iowa (1:300/3)

    Well I would too, and it isn't religious. I have no problems with
    any faith celebrating, but please don't imped my believes.

    Except that atheism is a belief just as theism - in all its flavors - is.
    If memory serves the displays were in a shopping mall, which is *private* property. Christianity does have its rules about stealing things, does it not?

    Can not even call it a Christnas tree anymore...but a "Holiday Tree"
    and it has gone far enough. I am not going to worry about it being found. If a God-fearing Christian stole it or not...I am glad
    someone did something. OK illegal..theft..whatever.

    Had I been the mall owner or manager those religious displays would have
    been gone the same day. You folks just don't respect *other* people's
    beliefs, especially when they are diametrically opposed to your own.

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  • From Jeff Snyder@1:345/3777 to Bob Ackley on Tuesday, May 05, 2009 14:47:00
    On 05/05/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Bob Ackley: Thought Police in Bri.

    Had I been the mall owner or manager those religious displays would have been gone the same day. You folks just don't respect *other* people's beliefs, especially when they are diametrically opposed to your own.


    Bob, as I have often told my readers, there is a very big difference between respecting another person's right to believe as they wish, and actually respecting their specific beliefs. Every American citizen has the right to believe as they wish, but that most certainly does NOT mean that we Christians need to accept or respect their beliefs, and we most certainly don't when
    those beliefs are contrary to what we are taught in God's Word, the Bible. You can believe whatever you want, but no one is forced to accept your beliefs, or to respect them. By taking down those religious displays as you say you would do, are you respecting the beliefs of those who put them up? Most certainly not! You are preaching one thing, while doing quite another. You demand tolerance, but refuse to show the same tolerance. That makes you a hypocrite, doesn't it?

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  • From Joe Bruchis@1:123/789 to Jeff Snyder on Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:57:18
    Jeff Snyder -> Bob Ackley wrote:
    On 05/05/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Bob Ackley:

    does NOT mean that we
    Christians
    need to accept or respect their beliefs, and we most certainly don't when those beliefs are contrary to what we are taught in God's Word, the
    Bible. You
    can believe whatever you want, but no one is forced to accept your beliefs, or
    to respect them.

    By not respecting other's beliefs, you are by default, a bigot.

    By taking down those religious displays as you say you
    would
    do, are you respecting the beliefs of those who put them up? Most
    certainly
    not! You are preaching one thing, while doing quite another. You demand tolerance, but refuse to show the same tolerance. That makes you a hypocrite,
    doesn't it?

    Bob is the biggest hypocrite in Fidonet. Jeff Snyder is the biggest bigot in Fidonet.


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  • From Bob Ackley@1:300/3 to Jeff Snyder on Tuesday, May 05, 2009 03:59:04
    Replying to a message of Jeff Snyder to Bob Ackley:

    On 05/05/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Bob Ackley: Thought Police in Bri.

    Had I been the mall owner or manager those religious displays would
    have been gone the same day. You folks just don't respect *other*
    people's beliefs, especially when they are diametrically opposed to
    your own.

    Bob, as I have often told my readers, there is a very big difference between respecting another person's right to believe as they wish,
    and actually respecting their specific beliefs. Every American
    citizen has the right to believe as they wish, but that most
    certainly does NOT mean that we Christians need to accept or respect
    their beliefs, and we most certainly don't when those beliefs are
    contrary to what we are taught in God's Word, the Bible. You can
    believe whatever you want, but no one is forced to accept your
    beliefs, or to respect them. By taking down those religious displays
    as you say you would do, are you respecting the beliefs of those who
    put them up? Most certainly not!

    I was until one or more of them destroyed a display that disagreed with their own. If they aren't going to respect other peoples' beliefs and rights why should anybody else respect theirs?

    You are preaching one thing, while
    doing quite another. You demand tolerance, but refuse to show the
    same tolerance. That makes you a hypocrite, doesn't it?

    Nope. Nor am I a hypocrite that claims to be tolerant but who supports
    acts of intolerance.

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  • From Jeff Snyder@1:345/3777 to Bob Ackley on Wednesday, May 06, 2009 20:07:00
    On 05/06/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Bob Ackley: Thought Police in Bri.

    I was until one or more of them destroyed a display that disagreed with their own. If they aren't going to respect other peoples' beliefs and rights why should anybody else respect theirs?


    Obviously, I am not familiar with the event in question, and I likewise don't know who specifically was behind the incident. However, if they were truly Bible-believing Christians, then as one who tries to live by the teachings of Jesus Christ, I would have to say that I would disagree with such acts of violence. I endeavor to live peaceably with all men, as the Apostle Paul advised us to do. I refuse to engage in violence of any kind, whether it is abortion, or war.

    I also think that a tit-for-tat approach is not the right answer.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@1:229/619 to BOB ACKLEY on Wednesday, May 06, 2009 11:04:00
    Hello Bob,

    Had I been the mall owner or manager those religious displays would >BA>have been gone the same day. You folks just don't respect *other* >BA>people's beliefs, especially when they are diametrically opposed to >BA>your own.

    Bob, as I have often told my readers, there is a very big difference >JS>between respecting another person's right to believe as they wish,
    and actually respecting their specific beliefs. Every American
    citizen has the right to believe as they wish, but that most
    certainly does NOT mean that we Christians need to accept or respect >JS>their beliefs, and we most certainly don't when those beliefs are >JS>contrary to what we are taught in God's Word, the Bible. You can >JS>believe whatever you want, but no one is forced to accept your
    beliefs, or to respect them. By taking down those religious displays
    as you say you would do, are you respecting the beliefs of those who >JS>put them up? Most certainly not!

    I was until one or more of them destroyed a display that disagreed with thei BA>own. If they aren't going to respect other peoples' beliefs and rights why BA>should anybody else respect theirs?

    Reciprocity. If one group (or individual) shows tolerance for
    another group (or individual), that other group (or individual)
    should be expected to do the same.

    That is not the same thing as saying all groups (or individuals) should
    be tolerated, as that would be giving tacit approval to what that group
    (or individual) is doing. For example, should the world have tolerated
    the actions of Adolf Hitler and his Nazis in the way the Jews, Gypsies,
    and others were treated? Not at all. Sometimes a line must be drawn
    in the sand.

    You are preaching one thing, while doing quite another. You
    demand tolerance, but refuse to show the same tolerance. That
    makes you a hypocrite, doesn't it?

    Nope. Nor am I a hypocrite that claims to be tolerant but who supports BA>acts of intolerance.

    If one supports human rights, he/she must be willing to promote and
    to defend human rights everywhere. Not just in one's own backyard.
    If that means being criticized, and stepping on others' toes, so be
    it.

    --Lee


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  • From Lee Lofaso@1:229/619 to JEFF SNYDER on Wednesday, May 06, 2009 14:34:00
    Hello Jeff,

    I was until one or more of them destroyed a display that disagreed with >BA>their own. If they aren't going to respect other peoples' beliefs and >BA>rights why should anybody else respect theirs?

    Obviously, I am not familiar with the event in question, and I likewise don' JS>know who specifically was behind the incident. However, if they were truly JS>Bible-believing Christians, then as one who tries to live by the teachings o JS>Jesus Christ, I would have to say that I would disagree with such acts of JS>violence. I endeavor to live peaceably with all men, as the Apostle Paul JS>advised us to do. I refuse to engage in violence of any kind, whether it is JS>abortion, or war.

    I also think that a tit-for-tat approach is not the right answer.

    The Rev. Martin Luther King's non-violent approach was not passive,
    unlike Mohatma Gandhi's non-violent approach. Why? Because the Good
    Doctor based his beliefs on the Gospel, while Gandhi based his beliefs
    on that of Hinduism. Although King did borrow some things from Gandhi,
    that is because he recognized the religious truths inherent in such
    resistance.

    Jesus preached a message of "God is love." Not a God of Wrath or
    Vengeance. Gandhi hated Muslims. With a passion. King loved not
    only Christians, but everyone. Including Muslims.

    --Lee


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  • From Lee Lofaso@3:800/432 to Joe Bruchis on Wednesday, May 06, 2009 09:23:00
    Hello Joe,

    does NOT mean that we Christians need to accept or respect their >JS>beliefs, and we most certainly don't wh those beliefs are contrary
    to what we are taught in God's Word, the Bible. You can believe >JS>whatever you want, but no one is forced to accept your beliefs, or
    to respect them.

    By not respecting other's beliefs, you are by default, a bigot.

    Horton has yet to hear a Who. :)

    By taking down those religious displays as you say you would do,
    are you respecting the beliefs of those who put them up? Most
    certainly not! You are preaching one thing, while doing quite
    another. You demand tolerance, but refuse to show the same
    tolerance. That makes you a hypocrite, doesn't it?

    Bob is the biggest hypocrite in Fidonet.

    Ahhh. The Great Pretender. I was wondering who that might be. :)

    Jeff Snyder is the biggest bigot in Fidonet.

    We are all racists and bigots. Some bigger than others.
    But being the biggest of them all, even if only in the land
    of fido, might seem quite a stretch. But then, that would
    depend if Horton ever hears a Who. :)

    In the story by Dr. Seuss, Horton the Elephant heard a Who, the
    Whos having asked Horton to protect them from harm, which Horton
    gladly agrees to do. But what would have happened had Horton
    never heard a Who?

    --Lee


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  • From Bob Ackley@1:300/3 to Jeff Snyder on Monday, June 22, 2009 06:25:06
    Replying to a message of Jeff Snyder to Bob Ackley:

    On 05/06/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Bob Ackley: Thought Police in Bri.

    I was until one or more of them destroyed a display that disagreed
    with their own. If they aren't going to respect other peoples'
    beliefs and rights why should anybody else respect theirs?

    Obviously, I am not familiar with the event in question, and I
    likewise don't know who specifically was behind the incident.

    A group of atheists put up a display next to a Christmas display in a Seattle shopping mall. The display consisted primarily of a sign welcoming readers
    to the winter solstice (which is December 21st) and pointing out that long
    ago Christianity co-opted that pagan holiday celebration as their own.

    Assuming that the biblical story of Christmas is true, then Jesus could *not* have
    been born in December and was most likely born in the late spring - right around
    the time of Easter. In any case that sign was stolen/destroyed; since the only people who would have been upset by it would be fundamentalist Christians one can safely assume that those were the perpetrators.

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  • From Jeff Snyder@1:345/3777 to Bob Ackley on Tuesday, June 23, 2009 23:07:00
    On 06/23/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Bob Ackley: Thought Police in Bri.

    A group of atheists put up a display next to a Christmas display in a Seattle shopping mall. The display consisted primarily of a sign welcoming readers to the winter solstice (which is December 21st) and pointing out that long ago Christianity co-opted that pagan holiday celebration as their own.

    Assuming that the biblical story of Christmas is true, then Jesus could *not* have been born in December and was most likely born in the late spring - right around the time of Easter. In any case that sign was stolen/destroyed; since the only people who would have been upset by it would be fundamentalist Christians one can safely assume that those were the perpetrators.

    /d14-15

    Bob, that is ridiculous. Those foolish atheists were purposely picking a
    fight, and you know it. They might as well as gone up and poked the Christians in the eye. You "safely assume" because that is what you want to believe. I will agree, however, that Christmas is a Christianized pagan holiday, and that Jesus was born nowhere near that time of the year. Even the Bible offers evidence of this point.

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  • From Bob Ackley@1:300/3 to Jeff Snyder on Wednesday, June 24, 2009 05:40:54
    Replying to a message of Jeff Snyder to Bob Ackley:

    On 06/23/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Bob Ackley: Thought Police in Bri.

    A group of atheists put up a display next to a Christmas display in a
    Seattle shopping mall. The display consisted primarily of a sign
    welcoming readers to the winter solstice (which is December 21st)
    and pointing out that long ago Christianity co-opted that pagan
    holiday celebration as their own. Assuming that the biblical story
    of Christmas is true, then Jesus could *not* have been born in
    December and was most likely born in the late spring - right around
    the time of Easter. In any case that sign was stolen/destroyed;
    since the only people who would have been upset by it would be
    fundamentalist Christians one can safely assume that those were the
    perpetrators.

    /d14-15

    Bob, that is ridiculous. Those foolish atheists were purposely picking
    a fight, and you know it.

    No moreso than Christians have been doing to others this country for decades. The mall was and is private property, and all 3 displays (there was also a Jewish menorah) were installed with the permission of the mall's owners.

    As I said in the original post, when that one display was vandalized were I
    the mall manager the other two displays would have been removed as well.

    Christians, and particularly fundamentalist Christians, are notoriously intolerant.

    The particular sign did not make any attack upon Christian beliefs as such, I don't recall that they were even mentioned. I'm sure the text of that sign is available someplace - probably several someplaces - on the Internet.

    They might as well as gone up and poked the Christians in the eye. You "safely assume" because that is what you want to believe.

    Cui bono? Some "good" Christians found the sign offensive and destroyed it, why
    would anyone who didn't care about such things perform such an act? These "good"
    Christians hide in the dark and do things in secret - like bomb abortion clinics and
    shoot unarmed people. BTW, that last is terrorism, pure and simple.

    I will agree, however, that Christmas is a
    Christianized pagan holiday, and that Jesus was born nowhere near
    that time of the year. Even the Bible offers evidence of this point.

    I'm glad we can agree on something.

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