• Rules of Echo

    From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, August 12, 2015 23:42:23
    Rules of the CONSPRCY echo

    Be advised that the Noble Knights Around the Janis' Round Table is trying to
    do a FIDONEWS on you in this echo, Lee!

    It seems like this echo too has been echolist hijacked. Not that it matters any, since it's already on the FidoWeb, but take care!

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  • From Bill McGarrity@1:266/404 to Björn Felten on Wednesday, August 12, 2015 18:18:00
    Bjorn Felten wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    Hiya Bj%rn....

    Rules of the CONSPRCY echo

    Be advised that the Noble Knights Around the Janis' Round Table is trying to do a FIDONEWS on you in this echo, Lee!

    It seems like this echo too has been echolist hijacked. Not that it matters any, since it's already on the FidoWeb, but take care!

    It was Tim Richardson idea....... he's Lee's buddy. ;)


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Bill McGarrity on Thursday, August 13, 2015 01:23:22
    It was Tim Richardson idea....... he's Lee's buddy. ;)

    Mine too...

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Björn Felten on Wednesday, August 12, 2015 22:34:14

    12 Aug 15 23:42, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

    Rules of the CONSPRCY echo

    Be advised that the Noble Knights Around the Janis' Round Table is trying to do a FIDONEWS on you in this echo, Lee!

    you are a bit late, kemosabe... it isn't like the word isn't already out thanks
    to the update in the echolist area...

    It seems like this echo too has been echolist hijacked.

    you, sir, are so full of st00pid, ya know? have you done any research on the updater's account??

    Not that it matters any, since it's already on the FidoWeb, but take
    care!

    ummm... perhaps you should ask lou dripkin who they really are and why they listed this echo as they did? i think you'll find that lou is really TR or LL in disguise... most likely LL since the address was used years ago for registering other echos in opposition to some well known folks in fidonet as LL
    is well known to do...

    some research would be a good idea before jumping the gun, ya know? ;)

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Bill McGarrity on Wednesday, August 12, 2015 22:46:30

    12 Aug 15 18:18, you wrote to Björn Felten:

    Rules of the CONSPRCY echo

    Be advised that the Noble Knights Around the Janis' Round Table is
    trying to do a FIDONEWS on you in this echo, Lee!

    It seems like this echo too has been echolist hijacked. Not that it
    matters any, since it's already on the FidoWeb, but take care!

    It was Tim Richardson idea....... he's Lee's buddy. ;)

    so TR is lou dripkin of past fidonet history known to play at open mic nights in the north western (seattle and similar areas) of the US? that sounds more like LL... especially when they talk of ""sucking heads"" of crawfish cajun style...

    of course, i could be wrong since this is the CONSPRCY echo...

    )\/(ark

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Björn Felten on Wednesday, August 12, 2015 22:44:58

    13 Aug 15 01:23, you wrote to Bill McGarrity:

    It was Tim Richardson idea....... he's Lee's buddy. ;)

    Mine too...

    so which one of you three is the wife?? oh wait...

    )\/(ark

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Thursday, August 13, 2015 15:55:47
    Hello Björn,

    Rules of the CONSPRCY echo

    Be advised that the Noble Knights Around the Janis' Round Table is trying
    to
    do a FIDONEWS on you in this echo, Lee!

    It seems like this echo too has been echolist hijacked. Not that it
    matters
    any, since it's already on the FidoWeb, but take care!

    Of course! As duly noted below -

    From: Lee Lofaso
    To: BOB KLAHN
    Date: 2011-07-10 05:30:46
    Subject: Tim Richardson


    Hello Bob,

    I seem to have made a mistake, here.

    [..]

    He may have this confused with "Controversial" where I have
    cross responded to some messages from him in other echos, but
    that is allowed in that echo.

    According to the echolist -

    Name of echo: CONTROVERSIAL
    Moderators: Lou Dripkin
    Last changed: 6-Jul-2011 by Full Name

    So who is the Moderator of the CONTROVERSIAL echo?
    Is it Full Name?
    Is it Lou Dripkin?
    Is it both?
    Hmmm.
    Could be that Lou Dripkin is an alias.
    I mean, Full Name did update the elisting.
    And Full Name did elist it as a real names
    only echo.
    However, no rules have been posted.
    Not by Full Name.
    And not by anybody else.
    So what are the rules?

    --Lee

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    As the great Satchmo himself (Louis Armstrong) used
    to sing and play, "What a Wonderful World". :)

    --Lee






























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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to mark lewis on Thursday, August 13, 2015 16:11:26
    so which one of you three is the wife?? oh wait...

    Is that your spontaneous reaction? How incredibly single-minded of you.

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  • From Bill McGarrity@1:266/404 to mark lewis on Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:22:00
    mark lewis wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

    12 Aug 15 18:18, you wrote to Bj.rn Felten:

    Rules of the CONSPRCY echo

    Be advised that the Noble Knights Around the Janis' Round Table is
    trying to do a FIDONEWS on you in this echo, Lee!

    It seems like this echo too has been echolist hijacked. Not that it
    matters any, since it's already on the FidoWeb, but take care!

    It was Tim Richardson idea....... he's Lee's buddy. ;)

    so TR is lou dripkin of past fidonet history known to play at open mic nights in the north western (seattle and similar areas) of the US? that sounds more like LL... especially when they talk of ""sucking heads""
    of crawfish cajun style...

    of course, i could be wrong since this is the CONSPRCY echo...

    Pure speulation on my part... but feasable. It was a nice touch makng Timmy his moderator...


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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Björn Felten on Thursday, August 13, 2015 14:15:36

    13 Aug 15 16:11, you wrote to me:

    so which one of you three is the wife?? oh wait...

    Is that your spontaneous reaction?

    not at all... my first reaction was a great belly laugh! a laugh at your post with its rather rude assumption...

    then i did some research... lee knows how to do echolist updates... he's done them quite a bit in the past... whether lee made this update, or tim did or someone else assisting tim is another matter altogether... then again, it is the CONSPiRaCY echo so conspire away and post all kinds of conspiracy theories... ;)

    How incredibly single-minded of you.

    right backatcha!

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  • From Tim Richardson@1:275/93 to Björn Felten on Saturday, August 15, 2015 11:13:45
    so which one of you three is the wife?? oh wait...

    Is that your spontaneous reaction? How incredibly single-minded of you.


    It's weird how they run out of anything of substance to say...they
    go right to the homo slams.

    McGarrity is a good one for that. So's Lewis.

    They'll spend several packet cycles denouncing anyone who dares
    to oppose marriage between two same sex sodomites, putting it under
    the `equal rights' thing and all that.

    But when they want to inundate someone with the worst, most disgusting
    insults they can think of....they go right into homo-slams mode!

    So...for all their most strenuous defense of sodomites, in the end
    they reveal their knowledge that its a sick disgusting life-style.

    Hypocrisy at it's finest.
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Tim Richardson on Saturday, August 15, 2015 23:46:16
    Hello Tim,

    so which one of you three is the wife?? oh wait...

    Is that your spontaneous reaction? How incredibly single-minded of
    you.


    It's weird how they run out of anything of substance to say...they
    go right to the homo slams.

    http://www.henrymakow.com/gay_france.html

    Perhaps it is no coincidence that most, if not all, of those
    making such "homo slams" are from the USA. As noted on the above
    site, the LBGT movement began in the USA and has moved on from
    there -

    -=-=-=-=-=-

    Gay Activism Part of Illuminati Conspiracy

    May 17, 2015
    gay-marriage.jpg

    The transformation of society
    by the promotion of homosexuality
    ranges from arrested development to blackmail,
    as the "First Comment" below reveals.

    "There is a new Stalinism of political correctness, and part
    of this Stalinism, a pink or rainbow politburo. The former
    victims are the new executioners....They want to make
    little-Jews out of gays, partners in oppression."

    Due to the suppression of free speech in France, "Le Gall's"
    website has been taken down. He can only be read here.

    by "Le Gall"
    FOR HENRYMAKOW.COM
    (from Nov 17, 2010)

    gall.jpg"Le Gall" is a contralto singer, and writer of Breton
    origin. This is how he look 30 years ago when he was part of the
    gay scene in Paris.

    France-- Homosexuality is strange and repugnant to those who
    do not experience sexual attraction for their own sex, effectively
    depriving themselves of progeny. The Why, and How of homosexuality
    is not our concern here. Our concern is its use by the elites for
    the establishment of a one-world government.

    The LGBT movement was born in the 90s in the U.S. and reached
    France in the 2000s.

    Websites such as Gay Romeo have millions of members, and may
    provide more than 100,000 connections an hour. It is through such
    websites that an International Gay Movement functions.

    The militant homosexual discourse, both right and left, advances
    the elimination of nations by identifying gays with the One World
    Order. LGBT are strongly involved in undermining the notion of
    family, homeland, and the roots of Christianity....

    Gay activism is a puppet of Jewish lobbies and Freemasons. The
    formula is mathematical; the stronger Jews and FM lobbies are, the
    stronger the gay lobby, and the promotion of bisexuality, feminist
    ideology, abortion, immigration and so on. In other words, the
    stronger the attack on societal health and cohesion.

    It is really a war against civilization, as anti-Christian as it
    is anti-Islamic. Religion is a natural obstacle to a New World Order.
    LGBT activism, especially leftist, is part of this agenda.

    The flood of pornography stuns the masses, makes them more animal
    and thus more malleable. Note also the infantilism or arrested
    development that strikes many young gays who are very sensitive
    to the lure of consumer society.

    A sick overvaluation of youth and and fear of old age and death,
    contaminates all of civilization.

    The LGBT movement, supposedly a liberating agent is extremely
    harmful to traditional cultures. While some have managed to
    seamlessly integrate the homo-or transsexuality (Thailand etc..)
    others have rejected it.

    Gay activists therefore have the task of creating a sub-masonry,
    a new branch lobby. Note that any dark sexuality, including
    sadomasochism, is also honored. All the Hollywood stars are
    gay-friendly. It's a scandal if a celebrity reveals a different
    opinion or criticizes homosexuality. Any artistic or political
    career may suffer or be destroyed. There is a new Stalinism
    of political correctness, and part of this Stalinism, a pink
    or rainbow politburo. The former victims are the new executioners.

    In France, organizations such as SOS Racism, Licra, MRAP, directed
    and created by Jewish groups monitor thought and terrorize anyone
    who does not conform. SOS Homophobia is found in the same lineage.
    It is not a call for tolerance; it promotes homosexuality to
    heterosexuals.

    What these movements, all sponsored by the French state, call
    "tolerance" is actually a power defense favorable to the Illuminati
    Jewish cause of world government.

    Illuminati Jewish and Freemason-controlled France gives many grants
    to gay activists. LGBT is a new Slavery disguised as Freedom. Gay
    Pride itself is a grotesque masquerade. Gay sex is more a prison than
    straights imagine.

    Homosexuality will be promoted in the NWO, especially as many
    members of the Illuminati Jewish community are also Freemasons
    and gay, (Pierre Berger, Bertrand Delanoë, Jack Lang) - and
    often HIV positive. They want to make little-Jews out of gays,
    partners in oppression. LGBT pretends not to understand the
    challenge it represents to the human community. In this way,
    the LGBT propaganda deceives itself !

    TWIN OBJECTIVES

    Among the many commonalities between the NWO and the gay circle,
    we note:

    - Idolatry of celebrities, singers and actors / actresses, real
    puppets from the top of the pyramid.
    - infantilism
    -Adoration of the consumer society and its most stupid sides
    ("Gay Day" at Disneyland Paris, for instance )
    - Overvaluation of sexual pleasure
    - Uprooting family values
    - Spiritual decay
    - Overvaluation of the brainwashed youth at the expense of
    ancient wisdom
    - Identification with an oppressed minority (as Illuminati Jews
    in fact run the financial system, and so the world)
    - Identification with a "sexual orientation" and not a country,
    a culture ...
    - Vision of a border-less world, and hope for the establishment of
    an « international gay organization » (and why not a future nation ?)
    -Porn subculture that channels the "energy" of the masses.
    - Foreign children adoption by gay couples, which leads to the
    aggravation of a population by substituting a new form of immigration
    and thus a culture of miscegenation.
    -Masquerade of Gay Pride and an expression of a fake joy
    -Destruction of natural landmarks and boundaries between Feminine
    and Masculine.
    - Narcissism
    - Dark sexuality which leads sometimes to dark spirituality, as
    satanism...( On Gayromeo, for instance, many profiles use
    diabolical symbols and the website itself uses a "666" decoration
    on a cake image for their 6 th birthday. Other websites like "Gaynok"
    openly promote bareback gay sex. "Plan jus" means "sex with spunk" )
    An examination of the LGBT movement and the dangers it poses to
    humanity will be absolutely mandatory in the years to come.
    - See more at: http://www.henrymakow.com/gay_france.html#sthash.O8OfdD8Z
    ..dpuf

    -=-=-=-=-=-

    McGarrity is a good one for that. So's Lewis.

    They'll spend several packet cycles denouncing anyone who dares
    to oppose marriage between two same sex sodomites, putting it under
    the `equal rights' thing and all that.

    But when they want to inundate someone with the worst, most disgusting insults they can think of....they go right into homo-slams mode!

    So...for all their most strenuous defense of sodomites, in the end
    they reveal their knowledge that its a sick disgusting life-style.

    Hypocrisy at it's finest.

    An agenda. Everybody has an agenda. I have an agenda. They
    have an agenda. Everybody else has an agenda, too. The difference
    between me and others is that my agenda is not a hidden agenda.
    The question is, what is it those with hidden agendas are hiding,
    or trying to hide?

    --Lee

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  • From Bill McGarrity@1:266/404 to Lee Lofaso on Saturday, August 15, 2015 19:56:00
    Lee Lofaso wrote to Tim Richardson <=-


    McGarrity is a good one for that. So's Lewis.

    They'll spend several packet cycles denouncing anyone who dares
    to oppose marriage between two same sex sodomites, putting it under
    the `equal rights' thing and all that.

    But when they want to inundate someone with the worst, most disgusting insults they can think of....they go right into homo-slams mode!

    So...for all their most strenuous defense of sodomites, in the end
    they reveal their knowledge that its a sick disgusting life-style.

    Hypocrisy at it's finest.

    An agenda. Everybody has an agenda. I have an agenda. They
    have an agenda. Everybody else has an agenda, too. The difference between me and others is that my agenda is not a hidden agenda.
    The question is, what is it those with hidden agendas are hiding,
    or trying to hide?

    I have no agenda. What Richarson failed to comprehend is I had no issue with him being gay if he was. I stated it was his choice and his alone.

    His agenda is to take other's words, twist them to meet his narrow-mindedness so he feels superior. I've coined it the "Don Quixote Syndrome". He stated above I am good for that. Good for what? In that I believe each person should live their life as they see fit as long as it's not hurting another? Last I saw that was Constitutionally proected. If Richardson feels as if he is being so injured over the lifestyle of another, he can always do what he preaches, <N>ext.




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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Bill McGarrity on Tuesday, August 18, 2015 22:44:41
    Hello Bill,

    McGarrity is a good one for that. So's Lewis.

    They'll spend several packet cycles denouncing anyone who dares
    to oppose marriage between two same sex sodomites, putting it under
    the `equal rights' thing and all that.

    But when they want to inundate someone with the worst, most disgusting
    insults they can think of....they go right into homo-slams mode!

    So...for all their most strenuous defense of sodomites, in the end
    they reveal their knowledge that its a sick disgusting life-style.

    Hypocrisy at it's finest.

    An agenda. Everybody has an agenda. I have an agenda. They
    have an agenda. Everybody else has an agenda, too. The difference
    between me and others is that my agenda is not a hidden agenda.
    The question is, what is it those with hidden agendas are hiding,
    or trying to hide?

    I have no agenda.

    No agenda?

    "I aimlessly travel, meaning I have no agenda other than
    to get small in the world, be quiet and observe people."
    - Walton Goggins, actor

    Are you really such a person as the actor portrayed?
    Is it even possible for any such fictional person to be
    an actual person? I think not.

    Man is, by his very nature, a political and a social
    creature. He is a participant, not a mere spectator,
    in this world. How he participates is up to him.
    But participate he must, if he is to be alive at all.

    What Richarson failed to comprehend is I had no issue with him being gay
    if
    he was. I stated it was his choice and his alone.

    Nature or nurture? Does man (or woman) have an actual
    choice as to their own sexual orientation? Is it
    something forced upon them by the accident of their
    birth? Some, like Lady Gaga, would say yes, such
    people are "born that way". Others believe it is a
    free choice, including one that can be changed if
    one so desires.

    His agenda is to take other's words, twist them to meet his narrow-mindedness so he feels superior.

    What did Jesus say in regards to those who are gay
    and lesbian? I remember a particular story about a
    woman who was about to be stoned by an angry mob.
    Supposedly for having committed adultery. After
    saving the woman from her fate, Jesus asked her
    who she was with. Ahd do you know what she told
    him? "With no man." Jesus did not condemn her.
    He did tell her not to do it again. But what
    that "it" happened to be is not recorded in the
    gospel (flipping the bird at an angry mob only
    makes an angry mob more angry ...).

    I've coined it the "Don Quixote Syndrome". He stated above I am good for that. Good for what?

    That depends on your agenda. :)

    In that I believe each person should
    live their life as they see fit as long as it's not hurting another?

    That would be an agenda. Imposing your own view(s)
    on that of another. Does the USA (or any other country)
    have the right to act as the world's policeman? Even
    with the best of intentions? Why, or why not?

    Last I saw that was Constitutionally proected.

    Better re-read that document again. For example,
    slavery still continues to exist, as any prisoner
    being incarcerated can attest.

    If Richardson feels as if he is being so injured over the lifestyle of another, he can always do what he preaches, <N>ext.

    The Constitution does protect the separation of
    church and state. In regards to same sex marriage,
    the state has no authority to impose its own rules
    on that of a religious institution. Except for
    Mormons. The only religion the state said that
    men had to limit themselves to one wife.

    --Lee

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  • From Bill McGarrity@1:266/404 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, August 18, 2015 18:11:00
    Lee Lofaso wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

    Hello Lee...

    McGarrity is a good one for that. So's Lewis.

    They'll spend several packet cycles denouncing anyone who dares
    to oppose marriage between two same sex sodomites, putting it under
    the `equal rights' thing and all that.

    But when they want to inundate someone with the worst, most disgusting
    insults they can think of....they go right into homo-slams mode!

    So...for all their most strenuous defense of sodomites, in the end
    they reveal their knowledge that its a sick disgusting life-style.

    Hypocrisy at it's finest.

    An agenda. Everybody has an agenda. I have an agenda. They
    have an agenda. Everybody else has an agenda, too. The difference
    between me and others is that my agenda is not a hidden agenda.
    The question is, what is it those with hidden agendas are hiding,
    or trying to hide?

    I have no agenda.

    No agenda?

    "I aimlessly travel, meaning I have no agenda other than
    to get small in the world, be quiet and observe people."
    - Walton Goggins, actor

    Are you really such a person as the actor portrayed?
    Is it even possible for any such fictional person to be
    an actual person? I think not.

    I have no agenda on what Richardson speaks of. He's more prone to having an agenda, or shall I say, vendetta against those he feels do not live up to his standards, as tunnel-visioned as they are.

    Man is, by his very nature, a political and a social
    creature. He is a participant, not a mere spectator,
    in this world. How he participates is up to him.
    But participate he must, if he is to be alive at all.

    Oh I agree, thus my statement as to IF he was, I'd not have an objection.


    What Richarson failed to comprehend is I had no issue with him being gay
    if
    he was. I stated it was his choice and his alone.

    Nature or nurture? Does man (or woman) have an actual
    choice as to their own sexual orientation? Is it
    something forced upon them by the accident of their
    birth? Some, like Lady Gaga, would say yes, such
    people are "born that way". Others believe it is a
    free choice, including one that can be changed if
    one so desires.

    Did members of the Lesbian and gay community feel as if they had a choice during the HIV times? I'm sure a disease would settle that arguement IF they consiously changed their sexual preference if confronted with death. I can't say for sure, but yes, there were probably some who did. According to today's statistics, not many.

    His agenda is to take other's words, twist them to meet his narrow-mindedness so he feels superior.

    What did Jesus say in regards to those who are gay
    and lesbian? I remember a particular story about a
    woman who was about to be stoned by an angry mob.
    Supposedly for having committed adultery. After
    saving the woman from her fate, Jesus asked her
    who she was with. Ahd do you know what she told
    him? "With no man." Jesus did not condemn her.
    He did tell her not to do it again. But what
    that "it" happened to be is not recorded in the
    gospel (flipping the bird at an angry mob only
    makes an angry mob more angry ...).


    Jesus said nothing about lesbian and gays. Yes, he did speak of adultry but what has that have to do with it? Are you insinuating because she said /no man/ she was talking about another woman? Quite a leap of faith on your part. Now, if she said with no man OR woman, you'd have traction.

    The part I find rather amusing is homosexuality was around and flourishing with the Greeks and Romans, ancient China, within the ancient tribes of Latin America... and so on. Species of animals consider it normal behavior, well before man.

    Studies up the wazzoo have been performed to find this out. Now, Richardson would say these studies were inconclusive because they were tax-payer funded and were a total waste of money, as if he's the sole supporter of the federal, state and local budgets.

    Whether people want to admit it or not, at one time in each family there was someone that was gay. Some families may have swept it under the rug, (Richardson's come to mind) and others embraced those showing love and understanding. Now, being your brought it up, what was Jesus' prime message?

    I've coined it the "Don Quixote Syndrome". He stated above I am good for that. Good for what?

    That depends on your agenda. :)

    Told you, have none other than acceptance.

    In that I believe each person should
    live their life as they see fit as long as it's not hurting another?

    That would be an agenda. Imposing your own view(s)

    Now that's the most insane thing you've ever said. I am imposing my views on myself. Taking Jesus' prime message of Love rather than hurting someone. Are you now saying Jesus' message to "Not do it again" wasn't an agenda on his part?

    on that of another. Does the USA (or any other country)
    have the right to act as the world's policeman? Even
    with the best of intentions? Why, or why not?

    No need for politics in this discussion....

    Last I saw that was Constitutionally proected.

    Better re-read that document again. For example,
    slavery still continues to exist, as any prisoner
    being incarcerated can attest.

    Because something still exists doesn't mean the Constitution doesn't guarantee those rights. Those who are enslaving others should be the ones incarcerated. When was the last time you saw a 4 year old sitting in a jail cell? The idea of incarceration, which the US has taken to an alltime high, is to limit the freedoms of those who fail to allow others their rights. Remember this...

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish JUSTICE, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

    jus+tice
    'j?st?s/
    noun
    1.
    just behavior or treatment.
    "a concern for justice, peace, and genuine RESPECT for people"

    synonyms:.fairness, justness, fair play, fair-mindedness, equity, evenhandedness, impartiality, objectivity, neutrality, disinterestedness, honesty, righteousness, morals, morality.


    If Richardson feels as if he is being so injured over the lifestyle of another, he can always do what he preaches, <N>ext.

    The Constitution does protect the separation of
    church and state. In regards to same sex marriage,
    the state has no authority to impose its own rules
    on that of a religious institution. Except for
    Mormons. The only religion the state said that
    men had to limit themselves to one wife.

    Who said they have? The SCOTUS said /civil/ same-sex marriages. This ruling does not mandate churches marry anyone they choose not to marry, whether itAs a gay couple, a couple unequally yoked, or a couple with a history of abuse.



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  • From Tim Richardson@1:275/93 to Bill McGarrity on Wednesday, August 19, 2015 12:52:17
    Lee Lofaso wrote to Tim Richardson <=-

    I have no agenda. What Richarson failed to comprehend is I had no issue with him being gay if he was. I stated it was his choice and his alone.

    `Implying' in a sneaky way that I am.

    His agenda is to take other's words, twist them to meet his narrow-mindedness so he feels superior.

    Those are the favorite tactics of you, Lewis and others.

    I've coined it the "Don Quixote
    Syndrome". He stated above I am good for that. Good for what?

    In that I
    believe each person should live their life as they see fit as long as it's not hurting another?

    Lets examine that a little;

    I being a non-sodomite (three sons and several grandchildren ought to pretty wel
    well speak for that) do not wish harm on sodomites. But they wish harm on
    me. And all normal society for that matter.

    They forced a change in our marriage laws when nobody wanted those laws changed.
    They forced their mandated presence in the Boy Scouts of America, when nobody wanted them anywhere near our young boys.
    They've forced their way into our schools, when nobody wanted them there either.
    They are even allowed to destroy businesses by forcing an over-rule of a Constitutionally-established mandate of everyone in America having the
    freedom to believe in their religion of choice, and to the practice thereof.

    They are less than 4 or 5 percent of the entire US population, yet they
    have been allowed to force their agenda on the entire country.

    There will come a day when people here will strongly regret having gone along with this insanity.



    Last I saw that was Constitutionally proected.

    So is freedom of religion and the practice thereof. But it's been put in
    the toilet by an agenda of sodomites.

    If Richardson feels as if he is being so injured over the
    lifestyle of another, he can always do what he preaches, <N>ext.

    Unfortunately, that doesn't work with leftist policies. Abortion is a good example of that; Over 50 million dead since Roe v Wade. No telling where
    this sodomite takeover will lead. But it won't be good, that's assured.

    Nothing the left does that's long term ever is.
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  • From Bill McGarrity@1:266/404 to Tim Richardson on Wednesday, August 19, 2015 17:26:00
    Tim Richardson wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

    Lee Lofaso wrote to Tim Richardson <=-

    I have no agenda. What Richarson failed to comprehend is I had no issue with him being gay if he was. I stated it was his choice and his alone.

    `Implying' in a sneaky way that I am.

    Knowing your comprehensive skills, you would take it that way but it was never what I said.

    His agenda is to take other's words, twist them to meet his narrow-mindedness so he feels superior.

    Those are the favorite tactics of you, Lewis and others.

    We can't help it if it's the truth....


    I've coined it the "Don Quixote
    Syndrome". He stated above I am good for that. Good for what?

    In that I
    believe each person should live their life as they see fit as long as it's not hurting another?

    Lets examine that a little;

    I being a non-sodomite (three sons and several grandchildren ought to pretty wel
    well speak for that) do not wish harm on sodomites. But they wish harm
    on me. And all normal society for that matter.

    Your /opinion/...

    They forced a change in our marriage laws when nobody wanted those laws changed.

    Have you seen the results where over 60% agree with same sex marriage? You're in the minority.

    They forced their mandated presence in the Boy Scouts of America, when nobody wanted them anywhere near our young boys.

    Your /opinion/... others see it differently

    They've forced their way into our schools, when nobody wanted them
    there either.

    Your /opinion/... others see it differently

    They are even allowed to destroy businesses by forcing an over-rule of
    a Constitutionally-established mandate of everyone in America having
    the freedom to believe in their religion of choice, and to the practice thereof.

    Your /opinion/... others see it differently

    They are less than 4 or 5 percent of the entire US population, yet they have been allowed to force their agenda on the entire country.

    It's called equality. There are only 13.2% African-Americans... shall we toss out the rest of the civil rights act?

    There will come a day when people here will strongly regret having gone along with this insanity.

    Your /opinion/... others see it differently


    Last I saw that was Constitutionally proected.

    So is freedom of religion and the practice thereof. But it's been put
    in the toilet by an agenda of sodomites.

    And it can be practiced freely.... in the church of their choosing.


    If Richardson feels as if he is being so injured over the
    lifestyle of another, he can always do what he preaches, <N>ext.

    Unfortunately, that doesn't work with leftist policies. Abortion is a
    good example of that; Over 50 million dead since Roe v Wade. No telling where this sodomite takeover will lead. But it won't be good, that's assured.

    And answer me this.. IF those 50 million were not aborted, that would mean there would probably be close to 100 million aditional people in the US. The /issue/ with the GOP/Conservative wy of looking at things.... let's protect them in the womb... but once they're born... fuck um...they're MOOCHERS on society. My God... just imagine what you be saying about YOUR tax dollars helping to feed them!! Oh the humanity!!

    Nothing the left does that's long term ever is.

    You collect Social Security? If so, give it all back if progressives have such a tough time with successful policy longevity. While you're at it.... make sure Congress repays the 2.7 trillion they borrwowed from it... oh wait, that was a Reagan/Greenspan thing... it couldn't have been bad. Morons....





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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Bill McGarrity on Thursday, August 20, 2015 00:20:31
    While you're at it.... make
    sure Congress repays the 2.7 trillion they borrowed from it... oh wait, that was a Reagan/Greenspan thing... it couldn't have been bad.

    That's interesting. I guess that you by trillion actually is talking about billion (remember that I'm a metric guy) but just the same.

    The reason I ask is that the Swedish government "borrowed" 250 milliard (billion to you) SEK from our national pension funds in 1999, and they still haven't paid it back.

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  • From Bill McGarrity@1:266/404 to Björn Felten on Wednesday, August 19, 2015 20:14:00
    Bjorn Felten wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

    While you're at it.... make
    sure Congress repays the 2.7 trillion they borrowed from it... oh wait, that was a Reagan/Greenspan thing... it couldn't have been bad.

    That's interesting. I guess that you by trillion actually is talking about billion (remember that I'm a metric guy) but just the same.

    The reason I ask is that the Swedish government "borrowed" 250
    milliard (billion to you) SEK from our national pension funds in 1999,
    and they still haven't paid it back.

    Well... take 27 and add 11 zeros after it. It would take you a lifetime to hand count it. :)


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Bill McGarrity on Thursday, August 20, 2015 20:24:19
    Hello Bill,

    Hypocrisy at it's finest.

    An agenda. Everybody has an agenda. I have an agenda. They
    have an agenda. Everybody else has an agenda, too. The difference
    between me and others is that my agenda is not a hidden agenda.
    The question is, what is it those with hidden agendas are hiding,
    or trying to hide?

    I have no agenda.

    Oh, come now. You don't really believe that, do you?
    Getting through the day is an agenda in and of itself.
    How you do it is up to you. For total invalids, it
    is up to others. But it is most definitely an agenda.

    What Richarson failed to comprehend is I had no issue with him being gay
    if
    he was. I stated it was his choice and his alone.

    What does it matter what the sexual orientation of
    an individual might or might not be? How is that relevant
    to the discussion at hand?

    His agenda is to take other's words, twist them to meet his narrow-mindedness so he feels superior. I've coined it the "Don Quixote Syndrome". He stated above I am good for that. Good for what?

    Perhaps Don Quixote should have been tilting at millers
    rather than windmills? And what about his assistant, Sancho
    Panza? Would he have been better off staying behind?

    In that I believe each person should live their life as they see fit as
    long
    as it's not hurting another?

    It is our nature to judge others. That is not a bad
    thing, but rather a good thing. By what standard should
    we judge others, and wish others to judge us? That is
    what we should be asking ourselves, not deluding ourselves
    with the false concept of pretending to be masters of our
    own fate.

    -=begin excerpt=-

    "And who succeeds in tilting at windmills," answered Murrel.

    "Have you ever reflected," said his friend, "what a good thing it would
    have been if he had smashed the windmills? From what I know now of
    medieval history, I should say his only mistake was in tilting at the
    mills instead of the millers. The miller was the middleman of the middle
    ages. He was the beginning of all the middlemen of the modern ages. His
    mills were the beginning of all the mills and manufactures that have
    darkened and degraded modern life. So that even Cervantes, in a way,
    chose an example against himself. And it's more so with the other
    examples. Don Quixote set free a lot of captives who were only convicts. Nowadays it's mostly those who have been beggared who are jailed and
    those who have robbed them who are free. I'm not sure the mistake would
    be quite so mistaken."

    "Don't you think," asked Murrel, "that modern things are too complicated
    to be dealt with in such a simple way?"

    "I think," replied Herne, "that modern things are too complicated to be
    dealt with except in a simple way."

    He rose from his feet and strode to and fro on the road with all the
    dreamy energy of his prototype. He seemed trying to tear his real
    meaning out of himself.

    "Don't you see," he cried, "that is the moral of the whole thing. All
    your machinery has become so inhuman that it has become natural. In
    becoming a second nature, it has become as remote and indifferent and
    cruel as nature. The Knight is once more riding in the forest. Only he
    is lost in the wheels instead of in the woods. You have made your dead
    system on so large a scale that you do not yourselves know how or where
    it will hit. That's the paradox! Things have grown incalculable by being calculated. You have tied men to tools so gigantic that they do not know
    on whom the strokes descend. You have justified the nightmare of Don
    Quixote. The mills really _are_ giants."

    "Is there any method in that case," demanded the other.

    "Yes; and you found it," replied Herne. "You did not bother about
    systems, when you saw a mad doctor was madder than the madman. It is you
    who lead and I who follow. You are not Sancho Panza. You are the other."

    He stretched out his hand with something of the old gesture.

    "What I said on the judgment-seat I say again by the roadside. You are
    the only one of them born again. You are the knight that has returned."

    Douglas Murrel was abruptly and horribly abashed.

    -=end excerpt=-

    [from "The Return of Don Quixote", by G.K. Chesterton]

    Last I saw that was Constitutionally proected.

    Since when? Allowing others to do as they please as long
    as they do not harm others? People harm others all the time,
    in various ways. And it is all legal, fully protected by
    the law. We even sanction murder, in our name, calling it
    "justice", and pay a doctor who has sworn to "do no harm"
    to inject the victim with a deadly poison ...

    --Lee

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  • From Bill McGarrity@1:266/404 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, August 20, 2015 16:32:00
    Lee Lofaso wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

    Hiya Lee...

    Hypocrisy at it's finest.

    An agenda. Everybody has an agenda. I have an agenda. They
    have an agenda. Everybody else has an agenda, too. The difference
    between me and others is that my agenda is not a hidden agenda.
    The question is, what is it those with hidden agendas are hiding,
    or trying to hide?

    I have no agenda.

    Oh, come now. You don't really believe that, do you?
    Getting through the day is an agenda in and of itself.
    How you do it is up to you. For total invalids, it
    is up to others. But it is most definitely an agenda.

    Why do you take my words out of context. I stated I had no agenda towards Richardson, now you make it a lesson in life. Play the game with Richardson....

    What Richarson failed to comprehend is I had no issue with him being gay
    if
    he was. I stated it was his choice and his alone.

    What does it matter what the sexual orientation of
    an individual might or might not be? How is that relevant
    to the discussion at hand?

    His agenda is to take other's words, twist them to meet his narrow-mindedness so he feels superior. I've coined it the "Don Quixote Syndrome". He stated above I am good for that. Good for what?

    Perhaps Don Quixote should have been tilting at millers
    rather than windmills? And what about his assistant, Sancho
    Panza? Would he have been better off staying behind?

    A question we'll never know the answer to will we?

    In that I believe each person should live their life as they see fit as
    long
    as it's not hurting another?

    It is our nature to judge others. That is not a bad
    thing, but rather a good thing. By what standard should
    we judge others, and wish others to judge us? That is
    what we should be asking ourselves, not deluding ourselves
    with the false concept of pretending to be masters of our
    own fate.

    I never said it was bad. As you stated, we all judge but the key at what level do we take that judgement. Richardson has taken it to a level where he's judge, jury and executioner... and personally speaking, not a very good one but he has that right.

    [snip]

    -=begin excerpt=-

    "And who succeeds in tilting at windmills," answered Murrel.

    -=end excerpt=-

    [end snip}

    [from "The Return of Don Quixote", by G.K. Chesterton]

    Why is it you always go off on a tangent with something you think is important in a discussion? You, as well as Richardson, know exactly why I used that reference. Try working up a discussion when talking ab out Cervantes' version.


    Last I saw that was Constitutionally proected.

    Since when? Allowing others to do as they please as long
    as they do not harm others? People harm others all the time,
    in various ways. And it is all legal, fully protected by
    the law. We even sanction murder, in our name, calling it
    "justice", and pay a doctor who has sworn to "do no harm"
    to inject the victim with a deadly poison ...

    The right to be gay and the right to same sex marriage? Why should you ask such a question?

    With regard to your statement, It takes a nominal effort on one's part to understand if it is indeed harmful to another. Laws have been structured to help allieviate this burden on society.

    With regard to your "injection", I agree, there should be no capitol punishment. Why should anyone be put in that situation where they must live with the fact they MAY have killed another human being.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Bill McGarrity on Friday, August 21, 2015 02:46:30
    Hello Bill,

    Hypocrisy at it's finest.

    An agenda. Everybody has an agenda. I have an agenda. They
    have an agenda. Everybody else has an agenda, too. The difference
    between me and others is that my agenda is not a hidden agenda.
    The question is, what is it those with hidden agendas are hiding,
    or trying to hide?

    I have no agenda.

    Oh, come now. You don't really believe that, do you?
    Getting through the day is an agenda in and of itself.
    How you do it is up to you. For total invalids, it
    is up to others. But it is most definitely an agenda.

    Why do you take my words out of context.

    Nothing has been taken out of context. You made a
    statement that I find patently false, as such a notion
    is too absurd to be taken seriously.

    I stated I had no agenda towards Richardson, now you make it a lesson in life.

    You stated you have no agenda. Period. I find the notion
    to be silly and absurd. And then you continue, stating a
    well-known heresy as being your basic philosophy of life.

    Play the game with Richardson....

    We are all heretics, of one kind or another.

    You take issue with that, for whatever reason.

    What Richarson failed to comprehend is I had no issue BM>with him being
    gay if he was. I stated it was his BM>choice and his alone.

    What does it matter what the sexual orientation of
    an individual might or might not be? How is that relevant
    to the discussion at hand?

    His agenda is to take other's words, twist them to meet his
    narrow-mindedness so he feels superior. I've coined it the BM>"Don
    Quixote Syndrome". He stated above I am good for that. BM>Good for what?

    Perhaps Don Quixote should have been tilting at millers
    rather than windmills? And what about his assistant, Sancho
    Panza? Would he have been better off staying behind?

    A question we'll never know the answer to will we?

    Some questions are never meant to be answered.
    Other questions should never be asked at all.

    In that I believe each person should live their BM>life as they see fit
    as long as it's not hurting BM>another?

    It is our nature to judge others. That is not a bad
    thing, but rather a good thing. By what standard should
    we judge others, and wish others to judge us? That is
    what we should be asking ourselves, not deluding ourselves
    with the false concept of pretending to be masters of our
    own fate.

    I never said it was bad. As you stated, we all judge but the key at what level do we take that judgement. Richardson has taken it to a level where he's judge, jury and executioner... and personally speaking, not a very good one but he has
    that right.

    Having the legal/constitutional right to do something (such
    as freedom of speech) is a kind of right that we both agree on.
    But that is not the same as the philosophy you stated, which
    is something far different, and regarded as sinister by many -

    Cultural Relativism: A Misguided Movement Towards Pluralism
    & Tolerance Cultural relativism, like moral relativism, pervades
    today's world. As long as we don't "hurt" anyone, anything goes.
    Absolute truth has been discarded along with God. We live in a
    society of pluralism and tolerance. We reject the idea of universal
    right and wrong. With a diminishing list of objective standards,
    our legislative system is having a harder time defining the laws,
    and our court system is having a harder time interpreting them.
    In just a few decades, our entertainment industry has pushed
    the "acceptance" of lewdness and indecency to levels we never
    imagined. Our children are losing their moral compass and
    lashing out in violence like never before. Our schools teach
    that we are an accident of evolution. Our institutions teach
    that we must accept all types of lifestyles or be deemed
    "intolerant," or worse, "hate mongers." Relativism encourages
    us to accept pornography in the media and fornication in our
    colleges and universities. Many things that were deemed a
    "sin" only a few years ago are now either accepted or promoted
    in our culture. According to the relativists, all points of
    view are true except for those that teach absolutes -- absolute
    truth, absolute right or wrong, or an absolute God.

    http://www.cultural-relativism.com/

    [snip]

    -=begin excerpt=-

    "And who succeeds in tilting at windmills," answered Murrel.

    -=end excerpt=-

    [end snip}

    [from "The Return of Don Quixote", by G.K. Chesterton]

    Why is it you always go off on a tangent with something you think is important in a discussion? You, as well as Richardson, know exactly why I used that reference. Try working up a discussion when talking ab out Cervantes' version.

    "Someday perhaps the story will be told of the adventures
    of the new Don Quixote and the new Sancho Panza, as they
    wandered about the winding roads of FidoNet [sic] ..."
    [from "The Return of Don Quixote" by G.K. Chesterton]

    Last I saw that was Constitutionally proected.

    Since when? Allowing others to do as they please as long
    as they do not harm others? People harm others all the time,
    in various ways. And it is all legal, fully protected by
    the law. We even sanction murder, in our name, calling it
    "justice", and pay a doctor who has sworn to "do no harm"
    to inject the victim with a deadly poison ...

    The right to be gay and the right to same sex marriage? Why should you
    ask
    such a question?

    Existing state laws against sodomy/homosexuality have been
    deemed unconstitutional by the USSC. The only thing that
    remains off limits now is bestiality. And apparently group
    marriages. But give the USSC time. Even the most taboo
    of taboos will no longer be taboo ...

    With regard to your statement, It takes a nominal effort on one's part to understand if it is indeed harmful to another. Laws have been structured
    to
    help allieviate this burden on society.

    There are "unjust" laws that should never be honored or
    respected by anyone. Let's say marijuana is a banned
    substance. If an individual depended on the use of MJ
    in order to maintain a quality standard of life, would
    you blame that individual for breaking the law? Would
    you provide MJ to that individual if requested, even if
    it meant breaking the law?

    Is it a criminal act for a homeless person to steal
    a loaf of bread? Should that individual be locked up,
    his/her only real crime being the want to survive?

    With regard to your "injection", I agree, there should be no capitol punishment. Why should anyone be put in that situation where they must live with the fact they MAY have killed another human being.

    St. Thomas Aquinas, a doctor of the RCC, said it was
    okay to execute people, as some people deserved to die.
    But that was before man had developed the technology
    to keep those vicious creatures properly fed, clothed,
    housed, and locked up.

    Besides, I have a better idea as to what to do with
    such people. Rather than locking them up for the rest
    of their natural lives, send them to the Moon, or to
    Mars, and allow them to build a habitat for those who
    want to relocate from a place that is getting much
    too hot to handle?

    --Lee

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  • From Bill McGarrity@1:266/404 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, August 20, 2015 22:35:00
    Lee Lofaso wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

    Hiya Lee...

    Hypocrisy at it's finest.

    An agenda. Everybody has an agenda. I have an agenda. They
    have an agenda. Everybody else has an agenda, too. The difference
    between me and others is that my agenda is not a hidden agenda.
    The question is, what is it those with hidden agendas are hiding,
    or trying to hide?

    I have no agenda.

    Oh, come now. You don't really believe that, do you?
    Getting through the day is an agenda in and of itself.
    How you do it is up to you. For total invalids, it
    is up to others. But it is most definitely an agenda.

    Why do you take my words out of context.

    Nothing has been taken out of context. You made a
    statement that I find patently false, as such a notion
    is too absurd to be taken seriously.

    Not my monkeys... not my circus...


    I stated I had no agenda towards Richardson, now you make it a lesson in life.

    You stated you have no agenda. Period. I find the notion
    to be silly and absurd. And then you continue, stating a
    well-known heresy as being your basic philosophy of life.

    Play the game with Richardson....

    We are all heretics, of one kind or another.

    You take issue with that, for whatever reason.

    What Richarson failed to comprehend is I had no issue BM>with him being
    gay if he was. I stated it was his BM>choice and his alone.

    What does it matter what the sexual orientation of
    an individual might or might not be? How is that relevant
    to the discussion at hand?

    Richardson made it relevant... that's what this entire conversation started with.

    His agenda is to take other's words, twist them to meet his
    narrow-mindedness so he feels superior. I've coined it the BM>"Don
    Quixote Syndrome". He stated above I am good for that. BM>Good for what?

    Perhaps Don Quixote should have been tilting at millers
    rather than windmills? And what about his assistant, Sancho
    Panza? Would he have been better off staying behind?

    A question we'll never know the answer to will we?

    Some questions are never meant to be answered.
    Other questions should never be asked at all.

    I see plenty of ? surronding your postings... heed your own advice?

    In that I believe each person should live their BM>life as they see fit
    as long as it's not hurting BM>another?

    It is our nature to judge others. That is not a bad
    thing, but rather a good thing. By what standard should
    we judge others, and wish others to judge us? That is
    what we should be asking ourselves, not deluding ourselves
    with the false concept of pretending to be masters of our
    own fate.

    I never said it was bad. As you stated, we all judge but the key at what level do we take that judgement. Richardson has taken it to a level where he's judge, jury and executioner... and personally speaking, not a very good one but he has
    that right.

    Having the legal/constitutional right to do something (such
    as freedom of speech) is a kind of right that we both agree on.
    But that is not the same as the philosophy you stated, which
    is something far different, and regarded as sinister by many -

    What? Where is gay marriage sinister? Stop being so damn philosophical and looking into the corner of your mind for insane things to sprout.

    Cultural Relativism: A Misguided Movement Towards Pluralism
    & Tolerance Cultural relativism, like moral relativism, pervades
    today's world. As long as we don't "hurt" anyone, anything goes.
    Absolute truth has been discarded along with God. We live in a
    society of pluralism and tolerance. We reject the idea of universal
    right and wrong. With a diminishing list of objective standards,
    our legislative system is having a harder time defining the laws,
    and our court system is having a harder time interpreting them.
    In just a few decades, our entertainment industry has pushed
    the "acceptance" of lewdness and indecency to levels we never
    imagined. Our children are losing their moral compass and
    lashing out in violence like never before. Our schools teach
    that we are an accident of evolution. Our institutions teach
    that we must accept all types of lifestyles or be deemed
    "intolerant," or worse, "hate mongers." Relativism encourages
    us to accept pornography in the media and fornication in our
    colleges and universities. Many things that were deemed a
    "sin" only a few years ago are now either accepted or promoted
    in our culture. According to the relativists, all points of
    view are true except for those that teach absolutes -- absolute
    truth, absolute right or wrong, or an absolute God.

    http://www.cultural-relativism.com/

    Oh sheeesh... Please don't blame society for the lack of parenting. You speak of moral fiber in this country then ask yourself something, who are turning out to be the largest majority of corruption today. The Evangelical right have that sown up... both from the gay standpoint as well as pedophile view. Take the Duggar's for instance. I rest me case..


    [from "The Return of Don Quixote", by G.K. Chesterton]

    Why is it you always go off on a tangent with something you think is important in a discussion? You, as well as Richardson, know exactly why I used that reference. Try working up a discussion when talking ab out Cervantes' version.

    "Someday perhaps the story will be told of the adventures
    of the new Don Quixote and the new Sancho Panza, as they
    wandered about the winding roads of FidoNet [sic] ..."
    [from "The Return of Don Quixote" by G.K. Chesterton]

    Hey, have at it.


    Last I saw that was Constitutionally proected.

    Since when? Allowing others to do as they please as long
    as they do not harm others? People harm others all the time,
    in various ways. And it is all legal, fully protected by
    the law. We even sanction murder, in our name, calling it
    "justice", and pay a doctor who has sworn to "do no harm"
    to inject the victim with a deadly poison ...

    The right to be gay and the right to same sex marriage? Why should you
    ask
    such a question?

    Existing state laws against sodomy/homosexuality have been
    deemed unconstitutional by the USSC. The only thing that
    remains off limits now is bestiality. And apparently group
    marriages. But give the USSC time. Even the most taboo
    of taboos will no longer be taboo ...

    Oh I'm sure one of the guys out on the bayou handed his beer to someone and said *Hey.. watch this...* as he tried to get a blowjob off a gator. Reality... what a concept.. (R.Williams)

    With regard to your statement, It takes a nominal effort on one's part to understand if it is indeed harmful to another. Laws have been structured
    to
    help allieviate this burden on society.

    There are "unjust" laws that should never be honored or
    respected by anyone. Let's say marijuana is a banned
    substance. If an individual depended on the use of MJ
    in order to maintain a quality standard of life, would
    you blame that individual for breaking the law? Would
    you provide MJ to that individual if requested, even if
    it meant breaking the law?

    Don't blame the person for antiquated laws. Lee, it's all a $$ thing. Look at industrial hemp. Why is that not legal? Oooohhhh wait... Corporate Amerika.

    Is it a criminal act for a homeless person to steal
    a loaf of bread? Should that individual be locked up,
    his/her only real crime being the want to survive?

    I'm sure the proprietor, if a decent human being, would see the circumstances and adjust the circumstances. That's the problem today... we've turned into a society of ME ME ME assholes.

    With regard to your "injection", I agree, there should be no capitol punishment. Why should anyone be put in that situation where they must live with the fact they MAY have killed another human being.

    St. Thomas Aquinas, a doctor of the RCC, said it was
    okay to execute people, as some people deserved to die.
    But that was before man had developed the technology
    to keep those vicious creatures properly fed, clothed,
    housed, and locked up.

    We all make mistakes...

    Besides, I have a better idea as to what to do with
    such people. Rather than locking them up for the rest
    of their natural lives, send them to the Moon, or to
    Mars, and allow them to build a habitat for those who
    want to relocate from a place that is getting much
    too hot to handle?

    How about we rehibilate them the proper way rather than caging them like animals expecting them to do thir time and come out like sweet little angels. How about those who were jailed for victimless crimes be set free? Why you ask... $$$$$!!

    Almost 2.3 million people are incarcerated in the US. Are you going to pay for their one-way ticket? Did't think so.



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  • From Tim Richardson@1:275/93 to Bill McGarrity on Saturday, August 22, 2015 14:07:07
    Tim Richardson wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-
    well speak for that) do not wish harm on sodomites. But they wish harm on me. And all normal society for that matter.

    Your /opinion/...

    Not at all. Fact!

    When sodomites `parade their pride' nobody throws anything at them or
    verbally threatens them. (They'd probably get arrested)

    Sodomites throw feces at counter demonstrators, loudly curse them, even
    make threats of physical violence to them.

    Sort of like Cassell....making false accusatons, and then wanting people's heads smashed in because he's wrong but wants to be RIGHT so desperately!
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  • From Tim Richardson@1:275/93 to Lee Lofaso on Saturday, August 22, 2015 14:12:46

    What does it matter what the sexual orientation of
    an individual might or might not be? How is that relevant
    to the discussion at hand?

    They think to throw that suspicion in as a distraction. Nothing more.

    Its the old ruse....try to threaten them into silence. Make an implication
    and the silent threat is there of what you'll face if you protest any
    further.

    That's only effective against people who are afraid of their opposition.
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  • From Bill McGarrity@1:266/404 to Tim Richardson on Saturday, August 22, 2015 17:49:00
    Tim Richardson wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

    Tim Richardson wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-
    well speak for that) do not wish harm on sodomites. But they wish harm on me. And all normal society for that matter.

    Your /opinion/...

    Not at all. Fact!

    When sodomites `parade their pride' nobody throws anything at them or verbally threatens them. (They'd probably get arrested)

    How do you know?? Been to any pride parades layely?


    Sodomites throw feces at counter demonstrators, loudly curse them, even make threats of physical violence to them.

    And you have accounsts of this? (Time to break your Brietbart bigot highlight films out.)


    Sort of like Cassell....making false accusatons, and then wanting
    people's heads smashed in because he's wrong but wants to be RIGHT so desperately! --- SBBSecho 2.27-Win32

    You're so obsessed with that it's ripping your stomach apart.. lol! Go Don Quixote!


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  • From Bill McGarrity@1:266/404 to Tim Richardson on Saturday, August 22, 2015 17:54:00
    Tim Richardson wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    @TZ: 40f0
    What does it matter what the sexual orientation of
    an individual might or might not be? How is that relevant
    to the discussion at hand?

    They think to throw that suspicion in as a distraction. Nothing more.

    Its the old ruse....try to threaten them into silence. Make an
    implication and the silent threat is there of what you'll face if you protest any further.

    That's only effective against people who are afraid of their
    opposition.

    Both comical and tragic.


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