• Re: D'Bridge 3.99/SR16 released and avai

    From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Vince Coen on Sunday, December 03, 2017 18:30:32
    On 03 Dec 17 21:29:56, Vince Coen said the following to Nick Andre:

    Clamav (0.99.2) has reared its head again and found a false posative for th release.

    This is with an up to date version of the virus files etc.

    And I have politely emailed them a few times now, filled out forms, submitted every recent release for their review, etc etc.

    Crickets chirping.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Nick Andre on Sunday, December 03, 2017 19:59:50

    On 2017 Dec 03 18:30:32, you wrote to Vince Coen:

    Clamav (0.99.2) has reared its head again and found a false posative
    for th release.

    This is with an up to date version of the virus files etc.

    And I have politely emailed them a few times now, filled out forms, submitted every recent release for their review, etc etc.

    Crickets chirping.

    maybe there are not enough others reporting the FP??

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... LEAVE ME AND MY BEER ALONE!
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Mark Lewis on Sunday, December 03, 2017 21:09:14
    On 03 Dec 17 19:59:50, Mark Lewis said the following to Nick Andre:

    And I have politely emailed them a few times now, filled out forms, submitted every recent release for their review, etc etc.

    Crickets chirping.

    maybe there are not enough others reporting the FP??

    A decent anti-virus product should treat every inquiry seriously and not just when enough people make a case out of something. At the very least, have a working Contact Us form on its website. But thats not as amusing as this:

    https://www.virustotal.com/#/file/6a7234448baf4c66951528e91b8f73f491ae5d9b19b1 0ebb8c131afe455244f1/detection

    Nevermind that this piece of crap Clam chowder poor excuse poorly supported "product" gives a false positive, but it gives a false positive where other WORSE crap poor excuse poorly supported alternatives PASS the files with no problem.

    None of this would be an issue if it wasn't the fact that Clam Chowder
    never replies to my repeated messages and Janis at first treated the Clam results as more accurate than mine - I was told in no uncertain terms to
    "clean up my mess" and future hatching on the NAB would be affected.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Benny Pedersen on Monday, December 04, 2017 06:59:06
    On 04 Dec 17 06:03:02, Benny Pedersen said the following to Ward Dossche:

    Ward: clamav can be used on windows xp aswell, to test if you have virus or not, dont blame clamav if you have it

    It is known and established that there is no virus, otherwise I'm off the monthly Belgian waffle recipe exchange.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: I'll always have an Abacus running 10 wires (1:229/426)
  • From Vince Coen@2:250/1 to Nick Andre on Monday, December 04, 2017 17:06:03
    Hello Nick!

    Sunday December 03 2017 18:30, you wrote to me:

    On 03 Dec 17 21:29:56, Vince Coen said the following to Nick Andre:

    Clamav (0.99.2) has reared its head again and found a false
    posative for th release.

    This is with an up to date version of the virus files etc.

    And I have politely emailed them a few times now, filled out forms, submitted every recent release for their review, etc etc.

    Crickets chirping.

    Yep, cannot say I am impressed by their support and update procedures.

    I must try again and see if another virus checker is available for Linux that is FOC or similar.


    Vince

    --- Mageia Linux v5.1/Mbse v1.0.7.4/GoldED+/LNX 1.1.501-b20150715
    * Origin: Air Applewood, The Linux Gateway to the UK & Eire (2:250/1)
  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, December 05, 2017 05:59:00
    Hello Nick!

    04 Dec 2017 06:59, Nick Andre wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    monthly Belgian waffle recipe exchange.

    +1

    ----- vin.virus.txt begins -----
    VIRUS NAME: Win.Virus.Virut-5914242-0
    TDB: Engine:71-255,NumberOfSections:3-3,Target:1
    LOGICAL EXPRESSION: 0&(1=1)&(2=1)
    * SUBSIG ID 0
    OFFSET: ANY
    SIGMOD: NONE
    DECODED SUBSIGNATURE:
    20XC00U?∞?∞
    * SUBSIG ID 1
    OFFSET: 0
    SIGMOD: NONE
    DECODED SUBSIGNATURE:
    MZ{WILDCARD_ANY_STRING(LENGTH<=800)} * SUBSIG ID 2
    OFFSET: 0
    SIGMOD: NONE
    DECODED SUBSIGNATURE:
    MZ{WILDCARD_ANY_STRING(LENGTH<=800)}@
    ----- vin.virus.txt ends -----

    above is what is matched


    Regards Benny

    ... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

    --- Msged/LNX 6.2.0 (Linux/4.14.3-gentoo (i686))
    * Origin: I will always keep a PC running CPM 3.0 (2:230/0)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Vince Coen on Tuesday, December 05, 2017 17:24:54
    Hello Vince,

    On Mon Dec 04 2017 17:06:02, Vince Coen wrote to Nick Andre:

    Clamav (0.99.2) has reared its head again and found a false
    posative for th release.

    This is with an up to date version of the virus files etc.

    And I have politely emailed them a few times now, filled out forms,
    submitted every recent release for their review, etc etc.

    Crickets chirping.

    Yep, cannot say I am impressed by their support and update procedures.

    Their last update was 7 months ago! I guess it's only important to update definitions, and that's it.

    I must try again and see if another virus checker is available for
    Linux that is FOC or similar.

    The only other scanner I saw on archlinux was p3scan. You can give it a try but
    I'm fairly certain clamav is the best if not one of the only scanners for linux.

    However, since you know DB's false positive is a non-issue, why not just put it
    in the ignore file? I'm sure you can wildcard the version number or something.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, December 05, 2017 20:40:55
    On Sun Dec-03-2017 21:09, Nick Andre (1:229/426) wrote to Mark Lewis:

    On 03 Dec 17 19:59:50, Mark Lewis said the following to Nick
    Andre:

    And I have politely emailed them a few times now, filled out forms, submitted every recent release for their review, etc etc.

    Crickets chirping.

    maybe there are not enough others reporting the FP??

    A decent anti-virus product should treat every inquiry seriously
    and not just when enough people make a case out of something. At
    the very least, have a working Contact Us form on its website. But
    thats not as amusing as this:

    https://www.virustotal.com/#/file/6a7234448baf4c66951528e91b8f73f49 1ae5d9b19b1 0ebb8c131afe455244f1/detection

    Nevermind that this piece of crap Clam chowder poor excuse poorly supported "product" gives a false positive, but it gives a false
    positive where other WORSE crap poor excuse poorly supported
    alternatives PASS the files with no problem.

    None of this would be an issue if it wasn't the fact that Clam
    Chowder never replies to my repeated messages and Janis at first
    treated the Clam results as more accurate than mine - I was told in
    no uncertain terms to "clean up my mess" and future hatching on the
    NAB would be affected.

    I remember that. I thought it was a poor, ill-conceived command(?) on her part, but live and learn, I guess.

    Those of us who are still using D'Bridge learned long ago to ignore remarks like that.


    Regards,

    Roger
    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ Our XP machine is in the dark
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to mark lewis on Tuesday, December 05, 2017 20:45:54
    On Sun Dec-03-2017 19:59, mark lewis (1:3634/12.73) wrote to Nick Andre:

    On 2017 Dec 03 18:30:32, you wrote to Vince Coen:

    Clamav (0.99.2) has reared its head again and found a false posative
    for th release.

    This is with an up to date version of the virus files etc.

    And I have politely emailed them a few times now, filled out forms, submitted every recent release for their review, etc etc.

    Crickets chirping.

    maybe there are not enough others reporting the FP??

    I could say the same thing about the Investigative Discovery channel.

    It's going to snow here Friday.


    Regards,

    Roger
    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Nicholas Boel on Wednesday, December 06, 2017 06:04:42

    On 2017 Dec 05 17:24:54, you wrote to Vince Coen:

    And I have politely emailed them a few times now, filled out forms,
    submitted every recent release for their review, etc etc.

    Crickets chirping.

    Yep, cannot say I am impressed by their support and update procedures.

    Their last update was 7 months ago! I guess it's only important to
    update definitions, and that's it.

    the signatures are the really important part, after all... but i have to wonder
    why does the binary need to be updated when it is working as designed?

    I must try again and see if another virus checker is available for
    Linux that is FOC or similar.

    The only other scanner I saw on archlinux was p3scan. You can give it
    a try but I'm fairly certain clamav is the best if not one of the only scanners for linux.

    you DON'T want that... p3scan is a pop3 mail scanner... it uses or can clamav to scan the email with... we've used it on our firewall but there's a slight problem... not sure if it is the configuration of p3scan or not but if clamav is not running, p3scan will dump the email and replace it with a notice that it
    was infected... there's no recovery of the original email... i have not gone digging to try to figure out what, if anything, can be done so we just quit using it...

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... Wisemen can earn profit on the wind.
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From Vince Coen@2:250/1 to Nicholas Boel on Wednesday, December 06, 2017 15:27:52
    Hello Nicholas!

    Tuesday December 05 2017 17:24, you wrote to me:

    Hello Vince,

    On Mon Dec 04 2017 17:06:02, Vince Coen wrote to Nick Andre:

    Clamav (0.99.2) has reared its head again and found a false
    posative for th release.

    This is with an up to date version of the virus files etc.

    And I have politely emailed them a few times now, filled out
    forms, submitted every recent release for their review, etc etc.

    Crickets chirping.

    Yep, cannot say I am impressed by their support and update
    procedures.

    Their last update was 7 months ago! I guess it's only important to
    update definitions, and that's it.

    I must try again and see if another virus checker is available
    for Linux that is FOC or similar.

    The only other scanner I saw on archlinux was p3scan. You can give it
    a try but I'm fairly certain clamav is the best if not one of the only scanners for linux.

    However, since you know DB's false positive is a non-issue, why not
    just put it in the ignore file? I'm sure you can wildcard the version
    number or something.


    Yep, that did it - HOW :

    Go to the directory containing the clamd DB in my case it is /var/lib/clamav

    Create a file called whitelist.ign2 with ONE line of

    Win.Virus.Virut-5914242-0

    Make sure you do NOT have a blank line !!! as clam will produce an error and stop.

    Vince

    --- Mageia Linux v5.1/Mbse v1.0.7.4/GoldED+/LNX 1.1.501-b20150715
    * Origin: Air Applewood, The Linux Gateway to the UK & Eire (2:250/1)
  • From Vince Coen@2:250/1 to Nicholas Boel on Wednesday, December 06, 2017 16:48:18
    Hello Nicholas!

    Tuesday December 05 2017 17:24, you wrote to me:

    Ignore my last post as this fix does not work with clamAV stream check.

    Vince



    Hello Vince,

    On Mon Dec 04 2017 17:06:02, Vince Coen wrote to Nick Andre:

    Clamav (0.99.2) has reared its head again and found a false
    posative for th release.

    This is with an up to date version of the virus files etc.

    And I have politely emailed them a few times now, filled out
    forms, submitted every recent release for their review, etc etc.

    Crickets chirping.

    Yep, cannot say I am impressed by their support and update
    procedures.

    Their last update was 7 months ago! I guess it's only important to
    update definitions, and that's it.

    I must try again and see if another virus checker is available
    for Linux that is FOC or similar.

    The only other scanner I saw on archlinux was p3scan. You can give it
    a try but I'm fairly certain clamav is the best if not one of the only scanners for linux.

    However, since you know DB's false positive is a non-issue, why not
    just put it in the ignore file? I'm sure you can wildcard the version
    number or something.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."


    Vince

    --- Mageia Linux v5.1/Mbse v1.0.7.4/GoldED+/LNX 1.1.501-b20150715
    * Origin: Air Applewood, The Linux Gateway to the UK & Eire (2:250/1)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to mark lewis on Wednesday, December 06, 2017 16:18:02
    Hello mark,

    On Wed Dec 06 2017 06:04:42, mark lewis wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    Their last update was 7 months ago! I guess it's only important
    to update definitions, and that's it.

    the signatures are the really important part, after all... but i have
    to wonder why does the binary need to be updated when it is working as designed?

    I would think if a false positive shows up, it's *not* working as designed. YMMV, though.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Vince Coen on Wednesday, December 06, 2017 16:20:24
    Hello Vince,

    On Wed Dec 06 2017 15:27:52, Vince Coen wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    Yep, that did it - HOW :

    Go to the directory containing the clamd DB in my case it is /var/lib/clamav

    Create a file called whitelist.ign2 with ONE line of

    Win.Virus.Virut-5914242-0

    Make sure you do NOT have a blank line !!! as clam will produce an
    error and stop.

    What if a real positive comes up with that though? clamav will ignore it too?

    I would think ignoring the D'Bridge zip file specifically would be the best way, since you know that file, and only that file, is a false positive.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Nicholas Boel on Wednesday, December 06, 2017 19:01:32

    On 2017 Dec 06 16:18:02, you wrote to me:

    Their last update was 7 months ago! I guess it's only important to
    update definitions, and that's it.

    the signatures are the really important part, after all... but i have
    to wonder why does the binary need to be updated when it is working
    as designed?

    I would think if a false positive shows up, it's *not* working as designed. YMMV, though.

    that's not a bad binary... that's a bad signature...

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta pawn it off on someone else!
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to mark lewis on Wednesday, December 06, 2017 20:37:10
    Hello mark,

    On Wed Dec 06 2017 19:01:32, mark lewis wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    I would think if a false positive shows up, it's *not* working as
    designed. YMMV, though.

    that's not a bad binary... that's a bad signature...

    Whatever it is, it's not working right.. and they're not answering the requests
    to fix it. That's a problem.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Nicholas Boel on Friday, December 08, 2017 14:36:46

    EPLY: 1:3634/12.73 5a2884ef
    SGID: 1:154/10 5a28a974
    HRS: UTF-8 4
    ZUTC: -0600
    ID: hpt/lnx 1.9.0-cur 14-08-16
    Hello mark,

    On Wed Dec 06 2017 19:01:32, mark lewis wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    I would think if a false positive shows up, it's *not* working as NB>NB>> designed. YMMV, though.

    that's not a bad binary... that's a bad signature...

    Whatever it is, it's not working right.. and they're not answering the requests to fix it. That's a problem.

    This isn't meant as a criticism, but why hang your hat on one antivirus program
    when there are more of them? I haven't used Linux since Mandrake, so that's the onlu experience I have with it.


    Regards,

    Roger

    --- DB 3.99 + PQUSA
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna (1:3828/7)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Roger Nelson on Friday, December 08, 2017 17:11:32
    Hello Roger,

    On Fri Dec 08 2017 14:36:46, Roger Nelson wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    This isn't meant as a criticism, but why hang your hat on one
    antivirus program when there are more of them? I haven't used Linux
    since Mandrake, so that's the onlu experience I have with it.

    I think we've already been through this. Try to find another FREE antivirus scanner for Linux. It's pretty darn tough! ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Nicholas Boel on Friday, December 08, 2017 18:38:04
    On Fri Dec-08-2017 17:11, Nicholas Boel (1:154/10) wrote to Roger Nelson:

    On Fri Dec 08 2017 14:36:46, Roger Nelson wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    This isn't meant as a criticism, but why hang your hat on one
    antivirus program when there are more of them? I haven't used Linux
    since Mandrake, so that's the onlu experience I have with it.

    I think we've already been through this. Try to find another FREE antivirus scanner for Linux. It's pretty darn tough! ;)

    What about AVG? It's free, although I think they want you to register it yearly. Other than that, there is no cost involved.


    Regards,

    Roger
    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Roger Nelson on Friday, December 08, 2017 22:53:16
    Hello Roger,

    On Fri Dec 08 2017 18:38:04, Roger Nelson wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    This isn't meant as a criticism, but why hang your hat on one
    antivirus program when there are more of them? I haven't used
    Linux since Mandrake, so that's the onlu experience I have with
    it.

    I think we've already been through this. Try to find another FREE
    antivirus scanner for Linux. It's pretty darn tough! ;)

    What about AVG? It's free, although I think they want you to register
    it yearly. Other than that, there is no cost involved.

    I search for "avg free linux" and any link I go to anything regarding Linux has
    been removed. Even AVG's site only seems to offer a Windows, Mac, and Android version for download. The sourceforge page that had anything to do with AVG has
    been removed, and although I did find a user manual for AVG 8.5 for Linux, the copyright on the pdf is 2008.

    Lastly, the "System requirements" on the actual AVG page, where any outside link for a Linux version goes to (https://www.avg.com/en-us/free-antivirus-download) only lists:

    Windows 10, 8, 7 Vista, XP SP3
    OSX 10.8 Mountain Lion or above
    Android 2.2 or above

    Nothing mentioning a Linux version any more. So if you have any information I don't (or even a working link to anything regarding Linux and AVG), please share as I'd be interested in taking a look at it even.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Nicholas Boel on Saturday, December 09, 2017 11:36:36
    Hello Nicholas!

    08 Dec 2017 17:11, Nicholas Boel wrote to Roger Nelson:

    I think we've already been through this. Try to find another FREE antivirus scanner for Linux. It's pretty darn tough! ;)

    why ?

    you would like to remove linux ?, or your point was another ? :=)

    its nearly as funny as android, selling more antivirus then apps, haha


    Regards Benny

    ... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

    --- Msged/LNX 6.2.0 (Linux/4.14.4-gentoo (i686))
    * Origin: I will always keep a PC running CPM 3.0 (2:230/0)
  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Roger Nelson on Saturday, December 09, 2017 11:38:34
    Hello Roger!

    08 Dec 2017 18:38, Roger Nelson wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    What about AVG? It's free, although I think they want you to register
    it yearly. Other than that, there is no cost involved.

    AVG is preinstalled on my android phone (DORO 825) waste of missing storage cost nothing :(

    it even have a firewall that works if there is root access to a hacked android device, idiots :=)

    all my androids is selinux enforced


    Regards Benny

    ... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

    --- Msged/LNX 6.2.0 (Linux/4.14.4-gentoo (i686))
    * Origin: I will always keep a PC running CPM 3.0 (2:230/0)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Nicholas Boel on Saturday, December 09, 2017 07:10:53
    On Fri Dec-08-2017 22:53, Nicholas Boel (1:154/10) wrote to Roger Nelson:

    On Fri Dec 08 2017 18:38:04, Roger Nelson wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    This isn't meant as a criticism, but why hang your hat on one
    antivirus program when there are more of them? I haven't used
    Linux since Mandrake, so that's the onlu experience I have with
    it.

    I think we've already been through this. Try to find another FREE
    antivirus scanner for Linux. It's pretty darn tough! ;)

    What about AVG? It's free, although I think they want you to register
    it yearly. Other than that, there is no cost involved.

    I search for "avg free linux" and any link I go to anything
    regarding Linux has been removed. Even AVG's site only seems to
    offer a Windows, Mac, and Android version for download. The
    sourceforge page that had anything to do with AVG has been removed,
    and although I did find a user manual for AVG 8.5 for Linux, the
    copyright on the pdf is 2008.

    Lastly, the "System requirements" on the actual AVG page, where any outside link for a Linux version goes to (https://www.avg.com/en-us/free-antivirus-download) only lists:

    Windows 10, 8, 7 Vista, XP SP3
    OSX 10.8 Mountain Lion or above
    Android 2.2 or above

    I saw that last night. They simply should remove the links if they aren't going to support Linux. I'm just now wondering if Torvalds did the same thing to AVG (and maybe some others) he did to a certain video card manufacturer.

    Nothing mentioning a Linux version any more. So if you have any information I don't (or even a working link to anything regarding
    Linux and AVG), please share as I'd be interested in taking a look
    at it even.

    I'm on the Internet a lot, so if anything pops up for Linux, I'll post it here.

    ...We have everything here: tornadoes, tropical storms, hurricanes and snow.


    Regards,

    Roger
    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Benny Pedersen on Saturday, December 09, 2017 07:22:28
    On Sat Dec-09-2017 11:38, Benny Pedersen (2:230/0) wrote to Roger Nelson:

    08 Dec 2017 18:38, Roger Nelson wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    What about AVG? It's free, although I think they want you to register
    it yearly. Other than that, there is no cost involved.

    AVG is preinstalled on my android phone (DORO 825) waste of missing storage cost nothing :(

    Not on mine. I had to get it, but I have Malwarebytes on my Android.

    it even have a firewall that works if there is root access to a
    hacked android device, idiots :=)

    Same here, but I prefer the word "Wahnsinn"! (-:

    all my androids is selinux enforced

    But can you put that on your computer?


    Regards,

    Roger
    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Benny Pedersen on Sunday, December 10, 2017 08:36:50
    Hello Benny,

    On Sat Dec 09 2017 11:36:36, Benny Pedersen wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    I think we've already been through this. Try to find another FREE
    antivirus scanner for Linux. It's pretty darn tough! ;)

    why ?

    Because us Linux sysops are hosting file servers, that contain files for both Windows and DOS. Running a scanner on received files is a good idea.

    you would like to remove linux ?, or your point was another ? :=)

    It has nothing to do with Linux. I know Linux itself does not need antivirus, but any Windows or DOS files hosted on it should probably be checked. When I run antivirus here, it's only on received files. I'm not scanning the entire system because it's not needed.

    However, a Linux system can host infected files and pass them on to another system without being affected. So as a courtesy, these files should probably be
    checked before being passed on to your peers.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Roger Nelson on Sunday, December 10, 2017 08:40:14
    Hello Roger,

    On Sat Dec 09 2017 07:10:52, Roger Nelson wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    I saw that last night. They simply should remove the links if they
    aren't going to support Linux. I'm just now wondering if Torvalds did
    the same thing to AVG (and maybe some others) he did to a certain
    video card manufacturer.

    After replying to your message, I kept digging a bit. It almost seems as though
    some time in the last 5 years *all* antivirus providers that supported Linux ended up either completely stopping the support, or started charging for corporate usage and getting rid of any "free home" versions.

    I'm on the Internet a lot, so if anything pops up for Linux, I'll post
    it here.

    Thanks. I would be interested in checking them out, however clamav does indeed work, it just needs to be adjusted to ignore D'Bridge releases if and until they actually make a real fix for it.

    ...We have everything here: tornadoes, tropical storms, hurricanes and snow.

    I spoke too soon. We have a couple inches on the ground now. I've had a "cold" for the past month, and it seems to never go away when working outdoors in this
    weather. :(

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Nicholas Boel on Sunday, December 10, 2017 12:38:02

    On 2017 Dec 10 08:36:50, you wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    However, a Linux system can host infected files and pass them on to another system without being affected. So as a courtesy, these files should probably be checked before being passed on to your peers.

    or one might post a disclaimer and put the onus on the downloader to scan the file on their system before using it...

    "You are responsible for taking care that any files you download are virus free
    before installing them on your system or making them available for redistribution."

    ;)

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... You can't handle the truth!
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Roger Nelson on Monday, December 11, 2017 06:31:18
    Hello Roger!

    09 Dec 2017 07:22, Roger Nelson wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    Not on mine. I had to get it, but I have Malwarebytes on my Android.

    i know that on windows, but its not needed on android, for good reasons i will make the reader here figure out

    Same here, but I prefer the word "Wahnsinn"! (-:

    +1

    all my androids is selinux enforced
    But can you put that on your computer?

    sure, android is based on linux, so why not ?, samsung have droped knox, seem thay found selinux was good enoug :=)

    just still waiting for firmware update that finaly remove knox support in firmware, but the userland app for knox is now gone, its just still in firmware
    :/


    Regards Benny

    ... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

    --- Msged/LNX 6.2.0 (Linux/4.14.4-gentoo (i686))
    * Origin: I will always keep a PC running CPM 3.0 (2:230/0)
  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Nicholas Boel on Monday, December 11, 2017 06:35:22
    Hello Nicholas!

    10 Dec 2017 08:36, Nicholas Boel wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    Because us Linux sysops are hosting file servers, that contain files
    for both Windows and DOS. Running a scanner on received files is a
    good idea.

    yep, my point was that clamwin can do it on windows before hatched virus to download frinds, should we as downloader disconnect uplinks ? :=)

    It has nothing to do with Linux. I know Linux itself does not need antivirus, but any Windows or DOS files hosted on it should probably
    be checked. When I run antivirus here, it's only on received files.
    I'm not scanning the entire system because it's not needed.

    +1

    However, a Linux system can host infected files and pass them on to another system without being affected. So as a courtesy, these files should probably be checked before being passed on to your peers.

    in that stage its to late to do something

    i just blame ignorants on windows, i am one myself, using hitmanpro and malwarebytes, not yet clamwin, but i consider it when i possible drop malware bytes with gives so many fp that i would love to get rid of windows :=)

    hitmanpro is using virustotal api, uploading samples to them ? and check if its
    clean in 60+ virus scanners ?

    come on fidonet users is more cool then that ignorants


    Regards Benny

    ... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

    --- Msged/LNX 6.2.0 (Linux/4.14.4-gentoo (i686))
    * Origin: I will always keep a PC running CPM 3.0 (2:230/0)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Nicholas Boel on Monday, December 11, 2017 07:42:56
    On Sun Dec-10-2017 08:40, Nicholas Boel (1:154/10) wrote to Roger Nelson:

    On Sat Dec 09 2017 07:10:52, Roger Nelson wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    I saw that last night. They simply should remove the links if they
    aren't going to support Linux. I'm just now wondering if Torvalds did
    the same thing to AVG (and maybe some others) he did to a certain
    video card manufacturer.

    After replying to your message, I kept digging a bit. It almost
    seems as though some time in the last 5 years *all* antivirus
    providers that supported Linux ended up either completely stopping
    the support, or started charging for corporate usage and getting
    rid of any "free home" versions.

    Without stating why? That seems ominous, or maybe a better word would be ambiguous.

    I'm on the Internet a lot, so if anything pops up for Linux, I'll post
    it here.

    Thanks. I would be interested in checking them out, however clamav
    does indeed work, it just needs to be adjusted to ignore D'Bridge
    releases if and until they actually make a real fix for it.

    I ran across the same thing you did.

    ...We have everything here: tornadoes, tropical storms, hurricanes and snow.

    I spoke too soon. We have a couple inches on the ground now. I've
    had a "cold" for the past month, and it seems to never go away when working outdoors in this weather. :(

    The snow is gone now, but it was a nice change for a couple of days. It's still right at freezing here, but no clouds in sight.


    Regards,

    Roger
    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to mark lewis on Monday, December 11, 2017 19:52:32
    Hello mark,

    On Sun Dec 10 2017 12:38:02, mark lewis wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    However, a Linux system can host infected files and pass them on
    to another system without being affected. So as a courtesy, these
    files should probably be checked before being passed on to your
    peers.

    or one might post a disclaimer and put the onus on the downloader to
    scan the file on their system before using it...

    "You are responsible for taking care that any files you download are
    virus free before installing them on your system or making them
    available for redistribution."

    Wow. That's about all I can say there.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Benny Pedersen on Monday, December 11, 2017 19:53:32
    Hello Benny,

    On Mon Dec 11 2017 06:35:22, Benny Pedersen wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    Because us Linux sysops are hosting file servers, that contain
    files for both Windows and DOS. Running a scanner on received
    files is a good idea.

    yep, my point was that clamwin can do it on windows before hatched
    virus to download frinds, should we as downloader disconnect uplinks ?
    :=)

    Everyone is responsible for themselves. But if you want to put the trust in someone else that _anything_ gets done, that's on you.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Nicholas Boel on Monday, December 11, 2017 21:43:46

    On 2017 Dec 11 19:52:32, you wrote to me:

    "You are responsible for taking care that any files you download are
    virus free before installing them on your system or making them
    available for redistribution."

    Wow. That's about all I can say there.

    it is always on "you" (inclusive) to check for virus before installing something on your machine... some folks just need to be reminded... this goes hand in hand with "use at your risk" type clauses... CYA is real, my friend...

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... To eat bread without hope is still slowly to starve to death.
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Benny Pedersen on Tuesday, December 12, 2017 07:10:51
    On Mon Dec-11-2017 06:31, Benny Pedersen (2:230/0) wrote to Roger Nelson:

    09 Dec 2017 07:22, Roger Nelson wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    Not on mine. I had to get it, but I have Malwarebytes on my Android.

    i know that on windows, but its not needed on android, for good
    reasons i will make the reader here figure out

    I got it anyway.

    Same here, but I prefer the word "Wahnsinn"! (-:

    +1

    all my androids is selinux enforced
    But can you put that on your computer?

    sure, android is based on linux, so why not ?, samsung have droped
    knox, seem thay found selinux was good enoug :=)

    So it is actually google based on the linux kernel, which explains why google is all over my android.

    just still waiting for firmware update that finaly remove knox
    support in firmware, but the userland app for knox is now gone, its
    just still in firmware :/

    Maybe you're using the wrong grade of petrol. (-:


    Regards,

    Roger
    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to mark lewis on Tuesday, December 12, 2017 17:37:44
    Hello mark,

    On Mon Dec 11 2017 21:43:46, mark lewis wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    "You are responsible for taking care that any files you download
    are virus free before installing them on your system or making
    them available for redistribution."

    Wow. That's about all I can say there.

    it is always on "you" (inclusive) to check for virus before installing something on your machine... some folks just need to be reminded...
    this goes hand in hand with "use at your risk" type clauses... CYA is real, my friend...

    No kidding. But do we really want to be transferring a bunch of infected crap around the filegate because everyone thinks it should be the next guy that checks the stuff they send out to others?

    It's common courtesy, and I believe is even asked of the filegate maintainer that if you're going to hub files, *you* check them, not "leave it up to the next guy". That's why I thought your disclaimer above was a joke, and I'm fairly certain you really don't think that way. So why even say it?

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Nicholas Boel on Tuesday, December 12, 2017 21:54:10

    On 2017 Dec 12 17:37:44, you wrote to me:

    Wow. That's about all I can say there.

    it is always on "you" (inclusive) to check for virus before installing
    something on your machine... some folks just need to be reminded...
    this goes hand in hand with "use at your risk" type clauses... CYA is
    real, my friend...

    No kidding. But do we really want to be transferring a bunch of infected crap around the filegate because everyone thinks it should be the next guy that checks the stuff they send out to others?

    honest question: if the files are scanned at the initial distribution point, why do they need to be scanned again at every intermediate point? do you trust all of them? do you trust all of their chosen scanners? some choose to validate
    against virustotal but it is well known that virustotal doesn't use the newest or even all of the detection capabilities that are offered by the scanners the scan against...

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... A Redneck's pre-nuptial agreement mentions chickens.
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to mark lewis on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 17:50:36
    Hello mark,

    On Tue Dec 12 2017 21:54:10, mark lewis wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    honest question: if the files are scanned at the initial distribution point, why do they need to be scanned again at every intermediate
    point? do you trust all of them? do you trust all of their chosen scanners? some choose to validate against virustotal but it is well
    known that virustotal doesn't use the newest or even all of the
    detection capabilities that are offered by the scanners the scan against...

    And an honest answer in question form: How do you know every intermediate point
    is clean and clear of virus injection of any kind?

    Some people have absolutely no clue what they're doing, let alone know that their system has ringworm. I'd rather do it myself and be sure I'm not *that* idiot passing on infected files to others, thank you very much!

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Nicholas Boel on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 21:34:09
    On 13 Dec 17 17:50:36, Nicholas Boel said the following to Mark Lewis:

    Some people have absolutely no clue what they're doing, let alone know that their system has ringworm. I'd rather do it myself and be sure I'm not *tha idiot passing on infected files to others, thank you very much!

    Ahh c'mon, Fido has had ringworm right from the start ;)

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, December 13, 2017 22:20:10
    Hello Nick,

    On Wed Dec 13 2017 21:34:08, Nick Andre wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    Some people have absolutely no clue what they're doing, let alone
    know that their system has ringworm. I'd rather do it myself and
    be sure I'm not *tha idiot passing on infected files to others,
    thank you very much!

    Ahh c'mon, Fido has had ringworm right from the start ;)

    Definitely something I don't want to catch. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Nicholas Boel on Thursday, December 14, 2017 01:50:00

    On 2017 Dec 13 17:50:36, you wrote to me:

    honest question: if the files are scanned at the initial distribution
    point, why do they need to be scanned again at every intermediate
    point? do you trust all of them? do you trust all of their chosen
    scanners? some choose to validate against virustotal but it is well
    known that virustotal doesn't use the newest or even all of the
    detection capabilities that are offered by the scanners the scan
    against...

    And an honest answer in question form: How do you know every
    intermediate point is clean and clear of virus injection of any kind?

    really? when is the last time you've seen a virus inject itself into binaries inside a zip file? are you in the habit of unzipping the files where a virus can find the binaries and infest them? think about it...

    Some people have absolutely no clue what they're doing, let alone know that their system has ringworm.

    true on both accounts... especially with the sneaky bastards out there, today... eg: the guy that came up with a way to infest a compiler so the compiler injects the virus during compilation... even when the compiler builds itself...

    I'd rather do it myself and be sure I'm not *that* idiot passing on infected files to others, thank you very much!

    and if you miss then you are *that* one... especially if your chosen tool(s) don't detect something nefarious... the real ugly is that because you made the effort and missed, it is your responsibility... this is on the same lines as those ""legal notices"" posted on some BBSes where they say they will read every message posted looking for illegal activities... that puts them in legal hot water if they miss something... better to not do it at all and be safe... besides, there's no way to find all possible hidden messages within posts... that's a chase game just like virus scanning is a chase game... you'll never know you had it until it bites you...

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... One hot pepper short of an enchilada.
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Nicholas Boel on Thursday, December 14, 2017 06:52:44

    EPLY: 1:3634/12.73 5a309742
    SGID: 1:154/10 5a31bdc0
    HRS: UTF-8 4
    ZUTC: -0600
    ID: hpt/lnx 1.9.0-cur 14-08-16
    Hello mark,

    On Tue Dec 12 2017 21:54:10, mark lewis wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    honest question: if the files are scanned at the initial
    distribution
    point, why do they need to be scanned again at every intermediate
    point? do you trust all of them? do you trust all of their chosen
    scanners? some choose to validate against virustotal but it is well NB>ml> known that virustotal doesn't use the newest or even all of the
    detection capabilities that are offered by the scanners the scan
    against...

    And an honest answer in question form: How do you know every intermediate point is clean and clear of virus injection of any kind?

    Trust that not everyone is as diligent as the most diligent person in Fidonet.

    Some people have absolutely no clue what they're doing, let alone know
    that their system has ringworm. I'd rather do it myself and be sure I'm
    not *that* idiot passing on infected files to others, thank you very
    much!

    Nat.

    ...One man with courage is a majority.
    Thomas Jefferson


    Regards,

    Roger

    --- DB 3.99 + PQUSA
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna (1:3828/7)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Roger Nelson on Thursday, December 14, 2017 13:19:21
    On 14 Dec 17 06:52:44, Roger Nelson said the following to Nicholas Boel:

    Nat.

    ...One man with courage is a majority.
    Thomas Jefferson

    ...A little bit of liquid-courage and the majority is treated like a minority. Nick Andre

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to mark lewis on Thursday, December 14, 2017 15:10:24
    Hello mark,

    On Thu Dec 14 2017 01:50:00, mark lewis wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    And an honest answer in question form: How do you know every
    intermediate point is clean and clear of virus injection of any
    kind?

    really? when is the last time you've seen a virus inject itself into binaries inside a zip file? are you in the habit of unzipping the
    files where a virus can find the binaries and infest them? think about it...

    Quite a few BBS softwares have an upload checker, which extracts a zip file and
    injects whatever the sysop defines into it. Think about it.

    and if you miss then you are *that* one... especially if your chosen tool(s) don't detect something nefarious... the real ugly is that
    because you made the effort and missed, it is your responsibility...
    this is on the same lines as those ""legal notices"" posted on some
    BBSes where they say they will read every message posted looking for illegal activities... that puts them in legal hot water if they miss something... better to not do it at all and be safe... besides,
    there's no way to find all possible hidden messages within posts...
    that's a chase game just like virus scanning is a chase game... you'll never know you had it until it bites you...

    I knew you would veer off on a tangent with this. I'll check the files on my own system, with or without your say-so. Thanks though!

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Roger Nelson on Thursday, December 14, 2017 15:15:34
    Hello Roger,

    On Thu Dec 14 2017 06:52:44, Roger Nelson wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    Trust that not everyone is as diligent as the most diligent person in Fidonet.

    Trust is earned, not given out for free.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Nicholas Boel on Thursday, December 14, 2017 22:24:10
    On 14 Dec 17 15:15:34, Nicholas Boel said the following to Roger Nelson:

    Trust that not everyone is as diligent as the most diligent person in Fidonet.

    Trust is earned, not given out for free.

    After some liquid-courage, I'll trust everyone not to trust how or what I say.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Nick Andre on Saturday, December 16, 2017 01:08:30
    Hello Nick!

    14 Dec 2017 22:24, Nick Andre wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    After some liquid-courage, I'll trust everyone not to trust how or
    what I say.

    Sarah Palin mode with guns and roses ? :=)


    Regards Benny

    ... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

    --- Msged/LNX 6.2.0 (Linux/4.14.6-gentoo (i686))
    * Origin: I will always keep a PC running CPM 3.0 (2:230/0)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Nicholas Boel on Friday, December 15, 2017 20:48:50

    On 2017 Dec 14 15:10:24, you wrote to me:

    And an honest answer in question form: How do you know every
    intermediate point is clean and clear of virus injection of any
    kind?

    really? when is the last time you've seen a virus inject itself into
    binaries inside a zip file? are you in the habit of unzipping the
    files where a virus can find the binaries and infest them? think
    about it...

    Quite a few BBS softwares have an upload checker, which extracts a zip file and injects whatever the sysop defines into it. Think about it.

    i have one here... is used only when BBS users upload... it only ""injects"" maybe an NFO file and/or possibly a zip comment... it cannot execute a binary injection mechanism... however, yes, if the system is infested, it is possible that one might be... but ummmm... i run an ""antique OS that you wouldn't run""
    and guess what? there's no infesting critters that can work on it so, hummm...

    and if you miss then you are *that* one... especially if your chosen
    tool(s) don't detect something nefarious... the real ugly is that
    because you made the effort and missed, it is your responsibility...
    this is on the same lines as those ""legal notices"" posted on some
    BBSes where they say they will read every message posted looking for
    illegal activities... that puts them in legal hot water if they miss
    something... better to not do it at all and be safe... besides,
    there's no way to find all possible hidden messages within posts...
    that's a chase game just like virus scanning is a chase game...
    you'll never know you had it until it bites you...

    I knew you would veer off on a tangent with this. I'll check the files
    on my own system, with or without your say-so. Thanks though!

    no veering... no tangent... certainly not trying to influence you and your operation... just pointing out another side of the fence ;)

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... Men want to marry virgins cause they can't stand criticism.
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Nick Andre on Friday, December 15, 2017 20:52:24

    On 2017 Dec 14 22:24:10, you wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    Trust that not everyone is as diligent as the most diligent person
    in Fidonet.

    Trust is earned, not given out for free.

    After some liquid-courage, I'll trust everyone not to trust how or
    what I say.

    +1000000~

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... Etiquette: Saying "No, thank you," when you want to yell, "GIMME!!!"
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Benny Pedersen on Friday, December 15, 2017 22:01:33
    On 16 Dec 17 01:08:30, Benny Pedersen said the following to Nick Andre:

    After some liquid-courage, I'll trust everyone not to trust how or what I say.

    Sarah Palin mode with guns and roses ? :=)

    Welcome to the jungle baby. On your sha-na-na-na-na-na-knees.

    She's sortof cute...

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Nicholas Boel on Thursday, December 14, 2017 18:04:33
    On Thu Dec-14-2017 15:15, Nicholas Boel (1:154/10) wrote to Roger Nelson:

    On Thu Dec 14 2017 06:52:44, Roger Nelson wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    Trust that not everyone is as diligent as the most diligent person in Fidonet.

    Trust is earned, not given out for free.

    I didn't give it. Possibly you misread what I wrote.


    Regards,

    Roger
    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Nick Andre on Friday, December 15, 2017 09:49:06
    On Thu Dec-14-2017 13:19, Nick Andre (1:229/426) wrote to Roger Nelson:

    On 14 Dec 17 06:52:44, Roger Nelson said the following to Nicholas
    Boel:

    Nat.

    ...One man with courage is a majority.
    Thomas Jefferson

    ...A little bit of liquid-courage and the majority is treated like
    a minority.

    There is some truth to that.


    Regards,

    Roger
    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to mark lewis on Saturday, December 16, 2017 21:57:22
    Hello mark,

    On Fri Dec 15 2017 20:48:50, mark lewis wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    Quite a few BBS softwares have an upload checker, which extracts
    a zip file and injects whatever the sysop defines into it. Think
    about it.

    i have one here... is used only when BBS users upload... it only ""injects"" maybe an NFO file and/or possibly a zip comment... it
    cannot execute a binary injection mechanism... however, yes, if the
    system is infested, it is possible that one might be... but ummmm... i
    run an ""antique OS that you wouldn't run"" and guess what? there's no infesting critters that can work on it so, hummm...

    Point is, a BBS can inject whatever the fuck the sysop defines. YOU and I most likely would do just an NFO or TXT or something, which is what it was made for.
    However, with all the dummies floating around, you just can't trust everyone.

    I knew you would veer off on a tangent with this. I'll check the
    files on my own system, with or without your say-so. Thanks
    though!

    no veering... no tangent... certainly not trying to influence you and
    your operation... just pointing out another side of the fence ;)

    Why? To be the guy that makes some kind of a redundant point?

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Roger Nelson on Saturday, December 16, 2017 21:59:50
    Hello Roger,

    On Thu Dec 14 2017 18:04:32, Roger Nelson wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    Trust that not everyone is as diligent as the most diligent
    person in Fidonet.

    Trust is earned, not given out for free.

    I didn't give it. Possibly you misread what I wrote.

    I didn't. I just stated the obvious. Trust goes nowhere until it is earned, even though you told me to trust "something", whether or not it was about diligent or non-diligent people. You started with "Trust that..." and I responded, is all. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
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  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Nicholas Boel on Sunday, December 17, 2017 05:13:41
    On Sat Dec-16-2017 21:59, Nicholas Boel (1:154/10) wrote to Roger Nelson:

    On Thu Dec 14 2017 18:04:32, Roger Nelson wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    Trust that not everyone is as diligent as the most diligent
    person in Fidonet.

    Trust is earned, not given out for free.

    I didn't give it. Possibly you misread what I wrote.

    I didn't. I just stated the obvious. Trust goes nowhere until it is earned, even though you told me to trust "something", whether or
    not it was about diligent or non-diligent people. You started with
    "Trust that..." and I responded, is all. ;)

    How about this then?

    'Trust [meaning you] that not everyone is as diligent as the most diligent person [meaning you] in Fidonet.'

    OR

    Beware that not everyone in Fidonet is as diligent as you are when it comes to the quality of files.


    Regards,

    Roger
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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Roger Nelson on Sunday, December 17, 2017 10:37:36
    Hello Roger,

    On Sun Dec 17 2017 05:13:40, Roger Nelson wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    How about this then?

    Beware that not everyone in Fidonet is as diligent as you are when it comes to the quality of files.

    Exactly. That's why I do it.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)