• Nav installer

    From RUBEN FIGUEROA@1:124/5013 to All on Thursday, January 31, 2019 19:12:58
    Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 08:36:48 -0400
    From: RUBEN FIGUEROA
    To: SHANE CARAVEO
    Subject: Nav installer
    Newsgroups: win.navigator
    Message-ID: <1036424897.34.942419724@winserver.com>
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    Shane, how is work coming along with the installer for wcnav?

    When you release it I want to burn some more cd's but I would like it to
    work with the custom version of wcnav and I would like it to install
    ie5.1 on win 95/98 machines. Will this be possible?
    Tracy


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    Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:04:49 -0400
    From: RUBEN FIGUEROA
    To: TRACY FRANKLIN
    Subject: Nav installer
    Newsgroups: win.navigator
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    Shane, how is work coming along with the installer for wcnav?

    When you release it I want to burn some more cd's but I would like it to work with the custom version of wcnav and I would like it to install
    ie5.1 on win 95/98 machines. Will this be possible?
    Tracy

    I'm going to put out a new installer this week into the gamma
    conference fixing a problem on 98 that was reported, and now fixed.
    Have you tried the custom version yet? What results did you get?

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  • From RUBEN FIGUEROA@1:124/5013 to All on Thursday, January 31, 2019 19:12:58
    Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 07:38:33 -0400
    From: RUBEN FIGUEROA
    To: ALL
    Subject: Nav installer
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    Shane, I haven't tried the new installer yet. I am currently using the
    custom version of the old one. I will try it with the new one as soon as
    you release it to gamma. Let me know.

    Will we be able to package this with IE5? If so how can we preset the
    "browse in new process" for it?
    Tracy


    Shane, how is work coming along with the installer for wcnav?

    When you release it I want to burn some more cd's but I would like
    work with the custom version of wcnav and I would like it to install ie5.1 on win 95/98 machines. Will this be possible?
    Tracy

    I'm going to put out a new installer this week into the gamma
    conference fixing a problem on 98 that was reported, and now fixed.
    Have you tried the custom version yet? What results did you get?
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  • From RUBEN FIGUEROA@1:124/5013 to All on Thursday, January 31, 2019 19:12:58
    Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:24:56 -0400
    From: RUBEN FIGUEROA
    To: TRACY FRANKLIN
    Subject: Nav installer
    Newsgroups: win.navigator
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    It will have to be two seperate installations. The browse in new
    process will have to be set by the end user.

    Shane, I haven't tried the new installer yet. I am currently using the custom version of the old one. I will try it with the new one as soon as
    you release it to gamma. Let me know.

    Will we be able to package this with IE5? If so how can we preset the "browse in new process" for it?
    Tracy


    Shane, how is work coming along with the installer for wcnav?

    When you release it I want to burn some more cd's but I would like work with the custom version of wcnav and I would like it to in
    ie5.1 on win 95/98 machines. Will this be possible?
    Tracy

    I'm going to put out a new installer this week into the gamma
    conference fixing a problem on 98 that was reported, and now fixed.
    Have you tried the custom version yet? What results did you get?

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  • From RUBEN FIGUEROA@1:124/5013 to All on Thursday, January 31, 2019 19:12:58
    Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:22:44 -0400
    From: RUBEN FIGUEROA
    To: ALL
    Subject: Nav installer
    Newsgroups: win.navigator
    Message-ID: <1036424906.34.0@winserver.com>
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    I think I can get the MS IEAK to install WCNav right after IE5
    installs but there is no where I can find in it to preset the browse in
    new process. Is there a way around this? Does this switch have to be set
    for it to work properly??? I can see now that this will be a nightmare
    trying to explain it to all the users....
    Tracy


    It will have to be two seperate installations. The browse in new
    process will have to be set by the end user.

    Shane, I haven't tried the new installer yet. I am currently using
    custom version of the old one. I will try it with the new one as s
    you release it to gamma. Let me know.

    Will we be able to package this with IE5? If so how can we preset the "browse in new process" for it?
    Tracy


    Shane, how is work coming along with the installer for wcnav?

    When you release it I want to burn some more cd's but I woul
    work with the custom version of wcnav and I would like it to in ie5.1 on win 95/98 machines. Will this be possible?
    Tracy

    I'm going to put out a new installer this week into the gamma conference fixing a problem on 98 that was reported, and now fi
    Have you tried the custom version yet? What results did you get?


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  • From RUBEN FIGUEROA@1:124/5013 to All on Thursday, January 31, 2019 19:12:58
    Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:46:33 -0400
    From: RUBEN FIGUEROA
    To: TRACY FRANKLIN
    Subject: Nav installer
    Newsgroups: win.navigator
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    This setting is in the registry. For IE5, it's at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\software\microsoft\internet explorer\advanced options\browse\browse_new_proces\

    There are a bunch of variables in there, but the one that probable makes
    the difference is 'DefaultValue'={'yes','no'}

    I haven't looked at IEAK at all, does it provide a way for you to edit
    the registry? If not, you'd need some kind of program you could execute
    from IEAK that would do it.

    Remeber though, it's only needed if the user is using virtual winsock to connect. Otherwise, you shouldn't need this setting.


    I think I can get the MS IEAK to install WCNav right after IE5
    installs but there is no where I can find in it to preset the browse in
    new process. Is there a way around this? Does this switch have to be set
    for it to work properly??? I can see now that this will be a nightmare trying to explain it to all the users....
    Tracy


    It will have to be two seperate installations. The browse in new
    process will have to be set by the end user.

    Shane, I haven't tried the new installer yet. I am currently using custom version of the old one. I will try it with the new one as s
    you release it to gamma. Let me know.

    Will we be able to package this with IE5? If so how can we pres "browse in new process" for it?
    Tracy


    Shane, how is work coming along with the installer for wc

    When you release it I want to burn some more cd's but I woul work with the custom version of wcnav and I would like it
    ie5.1 on win 95/98 machines. Will this be possible?
    Tracy

    I'm going to put out a new installer this week into the gamma conference fixing a problem on 98 that was reported, and now fi Have you tried the custom version yet? What results did you



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  • From RUBEN FIGUEROA@1:124/5013 to All on Thursday, January 31, 2019 19:12:58
    Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 10:03:23 -0400
    From: RUBEN FIGUEROA
    To: SHANE CARAVEO
    Subject: Nav installer
    Newsgroups: win.navigator
    Message-ID: <1036424910.34.943454793@winserver.com>
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    Hello Shane,


    This setting is in the registry. For IE5, it's at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\software\microsoft\internet explorer\advanced options\browse\browse_new_proces\

    There are a bunch of variables in there, but the one that probable makes
    the difference is 'DefaultValue'={'yes','no'}

    Thanks for the info, not sure how I can use it though or if I should.

    I haven't looked at IEAK at all, does it provide a way for you to edit
    the registry? If not, you'd need some kind of program you could execute from IEAK that would do it.

    If it does I don't see it.

    Remeber though, it's only needed if the user is using virtual winsock to connect. Otherwise, you shouldn't need this setting.

    I understand this but you see I need a good installer program that will
    put on WcNav with the latest browser on a CD. I would really like to
    make the install a little more user friendly. The way it is now is just
    too many hoops for the point and click users we have to jump through to
    be able to install the program and connect with the system.

    I am open to a better way???? Any way that makes it user friendly. I
    want to stress that I feel for WcNav to fly it has to be user friendly
    from the install to it's use.

    Take care and thanks for your help,
    Tracy

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  • From RUBEN FIGUEROA@1:124/5013 to All on Thursday, January 31, 2019 19:12:58
    Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:46:47 -0400
    From: RUBEN FIGUEROA
    To: TRACY FRANKLIN
    Subject: Nav installer
    Newsgroups: win.navigator
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    Hello Shane,


    This setting is in the registry. For IE5, it's at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\software\microsoft\internet explorer\advanced options\browse\browse_new_proces\

    There are a bunch of variables in there, but the one that probable
    the difference is 'DefaultValue'={'yes','no'}

    Thanks for the info, not sure how I can use it though or if I should.

    I haven't looked at IEAK at all, does it provide a way for you to
    the registry? If not, you'd need some kind of program you could e
    from IEAK that would do it.

    If it does I don't see it.

    Remeber though, it's only needed if the user is using virtual wins connect. Otherwise, you shouldn't need this setting.

    I understand this but you see I need a good installer program that will
    put on WcNav with the latest browser on a CD. I would really like to
    make the install a little more user friendly. The way it is now is just
    too many hoops for the point and click users we have to jump through to
    be able to install the program and connect with the system.

    I am open to a better way???? Any way that makes it user friendly. I
    want to stress that I feel for WcNav to fly it has to be user friendly
    from the install to it's use.

    Take care and thanks for your help,
    Tracy


    What's not user friendly about it? It's a basic installation, with only
    two questions, where to put it, and what to call the start menu for it,
    both which are defaulted. If there is some usability issue with the
    installer, please explain it so I can address it.

    The only thing not built in to the installer is the web browser. The
    reason for that is that most people are using 32 bit browsers at this
    point, and some many updates/patches etc. are appearing for browsers at
    this point, it's an item best left alone.

    What I would suggest is getting some kind of autorun utility which lets
    you build an autorun program, which you could build menu's in (like the
    one we use on our cd), have a button for the web browser installer, the
    wcnav installer, and instructions button to provide some basic
    instructions, and maybe an 'about our company' button.


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  • From RUBEN FIGUEROA@1:124/5013 to All on Thursday, January 31, 2019 19:12:58
    Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:20:29 -0400
    From: RUBEN FIGUEROA
    To: ALL
    Subject: Nav installer
    Newsgroups: win.navigator
    Message-ID: <1036424915.34.0@winserver.com>
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    Hello Shane,
    I still have not tested the new installer. What is the status of it?
    Will it work with the custom version yet?

    I don't think I made myself clear about it being user friendly. The installation of WcNav is user friendly as long as it works. In
    the past many times you had to jump through hoops getting it
    installed. It has caused quite a few illegal operations in 95/98
    conflicting with other systray items. Again this is the old one. Getting
    a current browser (MSIE 5) configured to work with it is not at all a
    user friendly operation.

    WcNav itself has a lot of work needed on it as well. The message
    client especially. I really don't know what your plans are for the users interface for WINS 2000. I wish I did so I would know which way to
    leap. Right now I am thinking of just using WcPPP and burning IE5 with
    outlook on the cd's and ditching suport for the nav all together.

    I agree with you that you shouldn't try to provide your own browser but whatever we offer it should work hand in hand with the browser. Like
    when a user clicks on a link in a message it should go there or if they
    click on a mailto tag in the browser the message client should open.

    Shane, we can have the best working server in the world but if the users interface sucks that is how the product will be judged by the users. If
    we can give them an awesome interface that is user friendly and works
    then you will make headlines.

    The IEAK does provide for creating autorun cd's that give a choice of installation and looked like it will install 3rd party programs as well.

    Tracy





    What's not user friendly about it? It's a basic installation, with only
    two questions, where to put it, and what to call the start menu for it,
    both which are defaulted. If there is some usability issue with the installer, please explain it so I can address it.

    The only thing not built in to the installer is the web browser. The
    reason for that is that most people are using 32 bit browsers at this
    point, and some many updates/patches etc. are appearing for browsers at
    this point, it's an item best left alone.

    What I would suggest is getting some kind of autorun utility which lets
    you build an autorun program, which you could build menu's in (like the
    one we use on our cd), have a button for the web browser installer, the wcnav installer, and instructions button to provide some basic
    instructions, and maybe an 'about our company' button.



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    Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:21:10 -0400
    From: RUBEN FIGUEROA
    To: TRACY FRANKLIN
    Subject: Nav installer
    Newsgroups: win.navigator
    Message-ID: <1036424917.34.943964429@winserver.com>
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    Hello Shane,
    I still have not tested the new installer. What is the status of it?
    Will it work with the custom version yet?

    It's worked with custom stuff since I first put it into gamma. It's
    just the creation of the custom stuff on our bbs that isn't completely compatible with the new installer. You must already have a custom nav installed, copy the wccustom.dll, ini and exe into the install directory
    (of the new installer) and boom, you have a custom installer.

    I don't think I made myself clear about it being user friendly. The installation of WcNav is user friendly as long as it works. In
    the past many times you had to jump through hoops getting it
    installed. It has caused quite a few illegal operations in 95/98
    conflicting with other systray items. Again this is the old one. Getting
    a current browser (MSIE 5) configured to work with it is not at all a
    user friendly operation.

    The new installer doesn't have the problems that the old one had.
    However, using browsers with the software is a seperate issue from the installer. The problem exists when you dial in with the navigator and
    use a 32bit browser, and the virtual winsock support. This mix doesn't
    work all that well. In this case, wcPPP is a better solution.

    WcNav itself has a lot of work needed on it as well. The message
    client especially. I really don't know what your plans are for the users interface for WINS 2000. I wish I did so I would know which way to
    leap. Right now I am thinking of just using WcPPP and burning IE5 with outlook on the cd's and ditching suport for the nav all together.

    We are looking at a very large rewrite of wcnav for wins2000.



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