• Re: Dune 2021

    From Boraxman@MSRDBBS to Arelor on Sunday, December 26, 2021 21:22:00
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    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on
    Fri Dec 24 2021 10:10 pm

    I loved the Harkonen ending in which you walk into the Emperor's pal and shoot him in the face :-)


    The soundtrack to that game was awesome. Multiplayer functionality would ha been fantastic. I remember discussing how sorely this game needed multiplay like Warcraft back in the mid 90's. I also think dune 2 had more strategy t it than later real time strategy games. Just swarming the base with enemies wouldn't work, you had to use each units in a specific way to win. In later games, you could just flood the base and win by sheer numbers alone.


    There are modern FOSS engines which use the original assets of the
    game, and I think some support multiplayer.

    The problem with so many RTS titles is that they turn into matches
    about who can click faster when they become human vs human. Even
    Command and Conquer pretty much turned into pumping up light/middle
    tanks, and the one who rushed with them the quikests won :)

    When I want to exercise my thinking, I prefer turn based strategy
    games. When I want to exercise my reflexes, I prefer shooters or platformers. RTS fall in a weird spot where they have a bit of thinking (you have to build your rush engine, so you end up learning some
    opening "moves") and then a lot of clicking and micromanaging.

    What I like from RTS is the single player campaigns, because they feel like puzzles to be solved. Most early RTS gave you a lame base and
    pitted you against an enemy with heavy defenses, and the challenge was
    to find out a way to crack those defenses.

    Dune 2 was really the last RTS I got into. I did play Warcraft a little, and Dune 2000 and Red Alert, but I think apart from Warcraft, I didn't finish the others. Rise of Nations I have too, and that is OK, but I only play skirmish time to time. I think this was for the reason you mentioned that the games quickly turned into who could scramble the fastest, rather than strategy. I was always on the lookout for a RTS type game, which was on a larger scale but was more on grand military strategy than swarming, but never found one.


    Should probably look into a good turn based game.

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  • From Arelor@PALANT to Boraxman on Sunday, December 26, 2021 13:47:20
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on Sun Dec 26 2021 09:22 pm

    Dune 2 was really the last RTS I got into. I did play Warcraft a little, an Dune 2000 and Red Alert, but I think apart from Warcraft, I didn't finish th others. Rise of Nations I have too, and that is OK, but I only play skirmis time to time. I think this was for the reason you mentioned that the games quickly turned into who could scramble the fastest, rather than strategy. I was always on the lookout for a RTS type game, which was on a larger scale b was more on grand military strategy than swarming, but never found one.


    Should probably look into a good turn based game.


    The Warcraft ones were fine, even if the first one had an interface which left a lot to be desired.

    It is funny that Dune 2 is the last one you got into, since it is the first RTS game that is recognizeable as such :-)

    Out of boardgames and tabletop wargames I do not know many turn based strategy videogames. I think the only one I d be confident recommending is Battle for Wesnoth.

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  • From Boraxman@MSRDBBS to Arelor on Wednesday, December 29, 2021 15:24:00
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    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Boraxman to Arelor on
    Sun Dec 26 2021 09:22 pm

    Dune 2 was really the last RTS I got into. I did play Warcraft a little, an Dune 2000 and Red Alert, but I think apart from Warcraft, I didn't finish th others. Rise of Nations I have too, and that is OK, but I only play skirmis time to time. I think this was for the reason you mentioned that the games quickly turned into who could scramble the fastest, rather than strategy. I was always on the lookout for a RTS type game, which was on a larger scale b was more on grand military strategy than swarming, but never found one.


    Should probably look into a good turn based game.


    The Warcraft ones were fine, even if the first one had an interface
    which left a lot to be desired.

    It is funny that Dune 2 is the last one you got into, since it is the first RTS game that is recognizeable as such :-)

    Out of boardgames and tabletop wargames I do not know many turn based strategy videogames. I think the only one I d be confident recommending
    is Battle for Wesnoth.

    I did try Rise of Nations, it is fun, but I think RTS games are too 'pointy clicky' for me and lack larger scale strategies.

    I might look at Battle of Wesnoth, seen it come up in my Linux repository over and over again.

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  • From The Lizard Master@NITEEYES to Arelor on Friday, January 07, 2022 11:51:09
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Arelor to Boraxman on Sat Dec 25 2021 06:36 am

    The problem with so many RTS titles is that they turn into matches about who can click faster when they become human vs human. Even Command and Conquer pretty much turned into pumping up light/middle tanks, and the one who rushed with them the quikests won :)

    Check out uniwar for mobile.

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  • From Arelor@PALANT to The Lizard Master on Friday, January 07, 2022 12:51:22
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: The Lizard Master to Arelor on Fri Jan 07 2022 11:51 am

    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Arelor to Boraxman on Sat Dec 25 2021 06:36 am

    The problem with so many RTS titles is that they turn into matches about can click faster when they become human vs human. Even Command and Conque pretty much turned into pumping up light/middle tanks, and the one who rushed with them the quikests won :)

    Check out uniwar for mobile.

    ---TLM


    I don't do mobile games, but I looked it up and the game may be salvageable :-) It cheats by not being Real Time, though.

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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Arelor on Friday, January 07, 2022 20:58:22
    Re: Re: Dune 2021
    By: Arelor to The Lizard Master on Fri Jan 07 2022 12:51 pm


    I don't do mobile games, but I looked it up and the game may be salvageable :-) It cheats by not being Real Time, though.


    seth robinson aka lord creator makes mobile games. you should check them out if you are able. you can play them on a computer with an emulator.

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