Another thing is that I feel like there are many separate streaming services n
, and if I have to pay around $6 for each service, that adds up. If there's o
y one show I'd watch on their service, I'm not sure if it would be really wort
it.
The idea that everybody has fibre and therefore DVDs are
not needed is very first worlder.
It's probably not so much first worlder than it is metropolitan
focused (ie making the assumption that everyone has the same
access to high-speed internet everywhere). Although.. a
ubiquitous satellite-based system could make it so.
MRO wrote to Moondog <=-
movies on the cloud can easily disappear or be pulled by the serivce provider. private servers can go down. When camping in a locaton
where cell service sucks, I can still watch a DVD or Blu Ray disc.
do you need a movie forever? i don't.
i have favorite movies but i dont watch them every year.
Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Jul 14 2022 12:41 am
movies on the cloud can easily disappear or be pulled by the serivce provider. private servers can go down. When camping in a locaton
where cell service sucks, I can still watch a DVD or Blu Ray disc.
do you need a movie forever? i don't.
i have favorite movies but i dont watch them every year.
Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Ogg to Arelor on Wed Jul 13 2022 08:54 am
The idea that everybody has fibre and therefore DVDs are
not needed is very first worlder.
It's probably not so much first worlder than it is metropolitan
focused (ie making the assumption that everyone has the same
access to high-speed internet everywhere). Although.. a
ubiquitous satellite-based system could make it so.
Satellite has two problems. First, latency sucks, so if you want to join one those streams in which you chat in real time with the streamer, you are in f a rough ride. Second, satellite connectivity is too expensive for what they offer. Also most plans I could hire here have unworkable data caps.
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Arelor to Nightfox on Tue Jul 12 2022 12:54 pm
I'm not sure I'd call optical formats unnecessary.. You can't always
rely on your internet always working 100%, s being available to watch
there. Those are a few of the reasons I still like to buy movies on
physical formats
The idea that everybody has fibre and therefore DVDs are not needed is very first worlder.
It takes me hours to download a Linux or BSD iso image from home. Meanwhile, picking a DVD I got from Linux Magazine takes virtually no time.
You're preaching to the chior. I agree.
What sucks is, the majority of people not buying optical media as much as they used to means that optical media isn't produced nearly as much as it used to be. There have been a couple movies released on 4K blu-ray that seem to be available in other countries but not where I live (I've purchased a couple from Amazon that were shipped from the UK).
Also, some stores in my area have completely removed their DVD and blu-ray movie shelves.
Although I do have high-speed internet, I don't want to rely on streaming services all the time to watch movies.
Starlink is supposed to cure most of the problems with satellite. Latency is
in the 20-30 ms range, and I've seen on Youtube videos where testers were getting a solid 180mb plus connection. Sure beats the 5mb down, 2 up Hughesnet
with 600-700ms latency.
I don't know what that is.. I just think it's more reliable to have my own copy of something. I don't think I'm attached to the things - I could also keep a copy of that stuff on a hard drive somewhere or on my Plex media server and I'd be happy with that.
Nightfox
Sony have removed several movies from their digital store along with any ability for the user to re-download or stream them. I believe one such film is The Hunger Games which, even if you purchased it years ago, you will have no access to it going forward. If this is the reality of digital distribution, I would prefer to own hard copies of everything that I have paid money for.
Satellite has two problems. First, latency sucks, so if you want to join one those streams in which you chat in real time with the streamer, you are in f a rough ride. Second, satellite connectivity is too expensive for what they offer. Also most plans I could hire here have unworkable data caps.
I tried to find a service streaming the 1950's film To Hell and Back so my nephew could watch it, and we couldn't find a host.
Another thing is that I feel like there are many separate streaming services now, and if I have to pay around $6 for each service, that adds up. If there's only one show I'd watch on their service, I'm not sure if it would be really worth it.
I wonder how that compares to the cost of monthly subscriptions for streaming services you'd pay each month.
Nightfox
do you need a movie forever? i don't.
i have favorite movies but i dont watch them every year.
Despite the fact that cable has gone up, paying for all of the streaming services in order to get what I want to watch would be more expensive.
Now, some OTA networks are debuting shows straight to their streaming service.
:(
Some films or shows I like to collect because they are not available online or demand you to pay for each episode. I don't like the idea of "buying" a virtual copy, then have the service go out of business or pull that tile from it's library.
On VHS I have the original Star Wars trilogy from before Lucas
digitally "enhanced" the series, and did stupid things like making Greedo shoot first.
I had hundreds of VHS tapes but they all went into the trash because there was no way to really use them now that video recorders are completely archaic and rare to see. I cannot remember how long it has been since I saw
Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Arelor to Ogg on Thu Jul 14 2022 05:44 pm
Satellite has two problems. First, latency sucks, so if you want to join those streams in which you chat in real time with the streamer, you are i a rough ride. Second, satellite connectivity is too expensive for what th offer. Also most plans I could hire here have unworkable data caps.
Expensive, yes, but Starlink has licked the latency problem. And afaik no ca
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: MRO to Moondog on Thu Jul 14 2022 10:29 am
do you need a movie forever? i don't.
i have favorite movies but i dont watch them every year.
I threw out most of my old DVDs years ago but kept some of the classics such the original Star Wars Trilogy along with around 10 other movies that I didn want to part with. I obviously haven't used the discs becuase most of those movies, along with Star Wars, are on either Netflix or Disney+. They are the just incase the internet goes down.
Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Andeddu to Moondog on Fri Jul 15 2022 02:58 pm
I had hundreds of VHS tapes but they all went into the trash because ther was no way to really use them now that video recorders are completely archaic and rare to see. I cannot remember how long it has been since I s
You'd be surprised how much people still watch VHS in the small/forest/mount
I'm not sure I'd call optical formats unnecessary.. You can't always rely on your internet always working 100%, and same for a streaming service. Streaming services randomly pull content from their services too, so you can't even rely on something always being available to watch there. Those are a few of the reasons I still like to buy movies on physical formats.
I like to rotate between streaming services. I'll sign up with one for 2-3 months, watch a lot of the box sets and movies I want to see then move onto th
next one for 2-3 months. I have had 2/3 services being paid for concurrently but it's a waste of money as I don't watch as much TV as most of the population.
I don't mind buying digital if I get to keep the file. I've bought music off Bandc
you can put the file on.
Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to MRO on Fri Jul 15 2022 02:25 am
Some films or shows I like to collect because they are not available online
or demand you to pay for each episode. I don't like the idea of "buying" a
virtual copy, then have the service go out of business or pull that tile from it's library.
On VHS I have the original Star Wars trilogy from before Lucas
digitally "enhanced" the series, and did stupid things like making Greedo shoot first.
I had hundreds of VHS tapes but they all went into the trash because there was
no way to really use them now that video recorders are completely archaic and
rare to see. I cannot remember how long it has been since I saw an old VHS recorder. The one my parents had was put into storage but eventually disposed
of because we had amassed a huge DVD collection. I now see that DVDs are going
the same way as VHS tapes. I have limited room so I am unable to have too many
vintage devices around. It's a shame because I would love to preserve some more
old tech.
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Before Disney+ I recall Disney would only release their classic stuff every couple of years, claiming you better get it now or you'll never know when the next chance will come. In other words, the next time your girl can get all the princess films, she will be too old to care about them.
Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Kaelon on Tue Jul 12 2022 09:09 am
I'm not sure I'd call optical formats unnecessary.. You can't always rely
on your internet always working 100%, and same for a streaming service. Streaming services randomly pull content from their services too, so you can't even rely on something always being available to watch there. Those
are a few of the reasons I still like to buy movies on physical formats.
I don't disagree. But do we need to preserve optical formats with their limited st
so that I don't have to insert discs anymore, and I just stream it on my own home
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I like to rotate between streaming services. I'll sign up with one for
2-3 months, watch a lot of the box sets and movies I want to see then
move onto the next one for 2-3 months.
I don't disagree. But do we need to preserve optical formats with their limited storage capacity? Why not just all invest in cheap storage and set up NAS devices. QNAP has some great models, and that's what I've done - ripping all of my personal movies so that I don't have to insert discs anymore, and I just stream it on my own home network. No Internet needed. ;)
I agree. And after a while, when optical disc formats started to decline, I wondered if they'd start selling movies on USB flash drives instead. But of course, that hasn't happened.. They still want to be able to control how we watch the content and try to prevent people from making copies of it.
When I was working at Broadcom, one of our device functions was a memory card (e.g. SD Card) reader/writer, and the word from the marketing dept. was that Hollywood was going to start distributing or renting movies on SD Cards. I don't think that every transpired, but there were companies definitely planning to do so. https://www.michaelsinsight.com/2009/11/blockbuster-looks-to-distribute-mo vies-on-sd-memory-cards.html
In any case, I think they could've distributed DRM-movies on USB flash drives or SD Card if they really wanted to.
Your regular IT Microchiphead has the discipline required to sotre everything in a NAS and take the necessary steps to make sure the data will last as long as the IT Microchiphead.
Most people does not have the discipline required.
Meanwhile, a commercial DVD is likely to work for long without any special attention as long as you keep a functioning DVD appliance around. Most digital iliterates understand that concept, and that is why comercial disks are a better aproach for them.
I agree that a movie has better chances of surviving half a century if it is stored in a SAN cluster, equiped with a tape robot and with regular integrity checks running in the background. However, good luck making regular people set that up...
I've ripped some of my movies - Not all, but some, and put them on my Plex media server. Eventually, I think it would probably be good to just rip them all and buy a USB hard drive to back them up onto.
Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Kaelon on Tue Jul 12 2022 09:09 am
I'm not sure I'd call optical formats unnecessary.. You can't always rel on your internet always working 100%, and same for a streaming service. Streaming services randomly pull content from their services too, so you can't even rely on something always being available to watch there. Thos are a few of the reasons I still like to buy movies on physical formats.
I don't disagree. But do we need to preserve optical formats with their lim s so that I don't have to insert discs anymore, and I just stream it on my o _____
-=: Kaelon :=-
I like to rotate between streaming services. I'll sign up with one for 2-3 months, watch a lot of the box sets and movies I want to see then move ont next one for 2-3 months. I have had 2/3 services being paid for concurrent but it's a waste of money as I don't watch as much TV as most of the population.
A work friend of mine was trying to talk me into doing something like that.
He apparently signs up for Hulu whenever they have a free first month
deal, watches all of the new episodes of the show he wants to see ("Letterkenny"), and then ditches it before he gets charged.
As I don't usually enjoy binge watching, I would figure I would try that
and not get through half of the new season of whatever (like "The Expanse"!) before I started getting charged.
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Andeddu to Moondog on Fri Jul 15 2022 02:58 pm
Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to MRO on Fri Jul 15 2022 02:25 am
Some films or shows I like to collect because they are not available o or demand you to pay for each episode. I don't like the idea of "buyi virtual copy, then have the service go out of business or pull that ti from it's library.
On VHS I have the original Star Wars trilogy from before Lucas digitally "enhanced" the series, and did stupid things like making Gre shoot first.
I had hundreds of VHS tapes but they all went into the trash because ther no way to really use them now that video recorders are completely archaic rare to see. I cannot remember how long it has been since I saw an old VH recorder. The one my parents had was put into storage but eventually disp of because we had amassed a huge DVD collection. I now see that DVDs are the same way as VHS tapes. I have limited room so I am unable to have too vintage devices around. It's a shame because I would love to preserve som old tech.
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I saw the writing on the wall with VCRs and converted most of my VHS to digi formats using an old VCR and avideo capture module. Most of the movies that actually worth it I got in DVD format too, since VHS was not that great.
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At one site I worked at, a sales guy pulled out some old CD's he burned in the early 2000's and wanted files moved over to the network. the laptops we issue no longer had CD or DVD drives. Anyways, the files he wanted were scanned in a proprietary format the scanner software he used in the late 1990's. We got lucky and found in our software repository a program that would read the format, but it had to be run on a virtual machine. By the time we recovered the document andpreserved it to a pdf file, he could've original documents pulled from the long term storage site.
Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Kaelon on Sat Jul 16 2022 04:09 pm
I agree. And after a while, when optical disc formats started to decline wondered if they'd start selling movies on USB flash drives instead. But course, that hasn't happened.. They still want to be able to control how watch the content and try to prevent people from making copies of it.
When I was working at Broadcom, one of our device functions was a memory car ranspired, but there were companies definitely planning to do so. https://www.michaelsinsight.com/2009/11/blockbuster-looks-to-distribute-movi
In any case, I think they could've distributed DRM-movies on USB flash drive --
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When I was working at Broadcom, one of our device functions was a memory card (e.g. SD Card) reader/writer, and the word from the marketing dept. was that Hollywood was going to start distributing or renting movies on SD Cards.
Moviemakers know they make much more money from the first
days after a theatrical release than they do from long term
royalties and DVD sales.
I don't disagree. But do we need to preserve optical formats with their limit
storage capacity? Why not just all invest in cheap storage and set up NAS de
ces. QNAP has some great models, and that's what I've done - ripping all of m
personal movies so that I don't have to insert discs anymore, and I just strea
it on my own home network. No Internet needed. ;)
Now, two of the last three things I bought on disk turned
out to be disks that cannot be copied... so I have to have
the physical disk. <shrugs>
In any case, I think they could've distributed DRM-movies
on USB flash drives or SD Card if they really wanted to.
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SD cards and USB sticks tend to break easily. One lady I worked with would destroy usb sticks on a regular basis. She'd find a way to bust them off at the connector. I couldn't imagine what she could do with an SD card. I'm sur e she would snap the micro SD's in half.
man, if only AOL started sending their clients out on SD cards -- I'd be set! I could finally make that 12-disk RAID 10 cluster I always wanted...
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** On Saturday 16.07.22 - 12:21, Arelor wrote to Moondog:
Moviemakers know they make much more money from the first
days after a theatrical release than they do from long term
royalties and DVD sales.
Can that really be true? I would think that the physical/
Yeah, I have never actually bought a movie from a streaming service, and that's one of the reasons why. If I buy something, I like having my own so I can make sure it doesn't go anywhere.
Nightfox
You'd be surprised how much people still watch VHS in the small/forest/mountain towns. Give your VHS tapes to the thrift stores in one of those.
A work friend of mine was trying to talk me into doing something like that.
He apparently signs up for Hulu whenever they have a free first month
deal, watches all of the new episodes of the show he wants to see ("Letterkenny"), and then ditches it before he gets charged.
As I don't usually enjoy binge watching, I would figure I would try that
and not get through half of the new season of whatever (like "The Expanse"!) before I started getting charged.
Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to Kaelon on Sat Jul 16 2022 04:51 pm
At one site I worked at, a sales guy pulled out some old CD's he burned i the early 2000's and wanted files moved over to the network. the laptops issue no longer had CD or DVD drives. Anyways, the files he wanted were scanned in a proprietary format the scanner software he used in the late 1990's. We got lucky and found in our software repository a program that would read the format, but it had to be run on a virtual machine. By the time we recovered the document andpreserved it to a pdf file, he could've original documents pulled from the long term storage site.
I guess the phrase you used earlier - "if kept properly" - rings true here. rms of primary source documents. Better to print everything out, they say, _____
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"Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
despite mainstream consumer shift.
Now, two of the last three things I bought on disk turned out to be disks that cannot be copied... so I have to have the physical disk. <shrugs>
Hard copies are nice for that reason. Established digital file formats are also good. The document scanning program used to make the original file was mostlikely created to no digital recording standard, if such thing existed. The program could save as or convert it's paperport format into PDF or TIF, which is more universally accepted since the mid 1990's
I guess the phrase you used earlier - "if kept properly" - rings true here. Everything from file format to readable / extractable software looms large in this digital world. (Similar note, so many fellow historians tell me what a nightmare we are in terms of primary source documents. Better to print everything out, they say, than to bank on any of these digital formats making it to the next generational archiving.)The only reliable way I've kept my data, is to make multiple copies, on multiple media, and migrate it to newer formats every so often.
_____
was she mentally retarded?
i've dropped a usb stick in my work parking lot in the snow, ran over it several times and it still worked when the snow melted.
i don't know how someone can bust it off at the connector unless it's intentional.
As I don't usually enjoy binge watching, I would figure I would try that and not get through half of the new season of whatever (like "The Expanse"!) before I started getting charged.
I cannot binge watch either as I don't have a particularly long attention span.
Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to Kaelon on Sun Jul 17 2022 09:39 am
Hard copies are nice for that reason. Established digital file formats a also good. The document scanning program used to make the original file mostlikely created to no digital recording standard, if such thing existe The program could save as or convert it's paperport format into PDF or TI which is more universally accepted since the mid 1990's
I can get on board a universally accepted file format; TIF, for sure, and ev XT files might be the key to longevity. PDF and TIF for now, for sure, but _____
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Kaelon to Moondog on Sat Jul 16 2022 06:51 pm
I guess the phrase you used earlier - "if kept properly" - rings true her Everything from file format to readable / extractable software looms larg in this digital world. (Similar note, so many fellow historians tell me what a nightmare we are in terms of primary source documents. Better to print everything out, they say, than to bank on any of these digital form making it to the next generational archiving.)The only reliable way I've kept my data, is to make multiple copies, on mult
_____
Even then things go missing...
So much data has already been lost. Think of the early internet, how much o
I think we are in a new digital 'dark age'. In later years, people will loo ch isn't that old, which links to a tweet, and that tweet is gone.
Then add to that peoples poor data handling, people losing their digital dat 'cloud' services, but will they hang forever?
Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to Digital Man on Sun Jul 17 2022 01:45 am
SD cards and USB sticks tend to break easily. One lady I worked with wou destroy usb sticks on a regular basis. She'd find a way to bust them off the connector. I couldn't imagine what she could do with an SD card. I' sur e she would snap the micro SD's in half.
was she mentally retarded?
i've dropped a usb stick in my work parking lot in the snow, ran over it sev i don't know how someone can bust it off at the connector unless it's intent
One of the things I liked about buying DVD's was when they offered additional commentary and extra clips and mini-documentaries, such as the making of a movie. Not sure if there is a way to encrypt the director's and actor's commentaries into existing video formats.
The display packaging (to prevent shoplifting) for such SD
cards would have been a nightmare. The basic SD products are
all practically under lock and key at department/convenience
stores.
(Remember when Shockwave Flash and .SWF files were the standard for
web-games?)
One of the things I liked about buying DVD's was when they offered additional commentary and extra clips and mini-documentaries, such as the making of a movie. Not sure if there is a way to encrypt the director's and actor's commentaries into existing video formats.I'm pretty sure you can with some container formats, have more than one audio stream. At worst, you can just encode it into a seperate audio file.
We're the same person. ;) And I, too, assumed that flash-disks or USB drives would have gone mainstream and replaced optical drives, but the entertainment industry is obsessed with digital rights management and getting all of the TV manufacturers to align on the same proprietary format would be madness. So, today, pretty much every TV can decode every format via USB inserted media, but if a publisher or distributor wants DMR, they're fresh out of luck.
Considering optical media starts to decay in around 20 years, this is no longer a theoretical. Any DVD or Blu-Ray purchased at the start of the millenium is nearing its end-of-life. Best to rip it soon before quality begins to decline.
One used CD shop had a clever system. The CD cases themselves
were empty (except for the covers or booklets), and the actual
discs were in a handy drawer system behind the counter. Every
disc had a store-assigned code and could be easily looked up
right at the cash register.
The display packaging (to prevent shoplifting) for such
SD cards would have been a nightmare. The basic SD
products are all practically under lock and key at
department/convenience stores.
Remember those big shrinkwrapped cardboard cartons for
CDs, so they could fit into a record company's shelves?
Moondog wrote to Boraxman <=-
One of the things I liked about buying DVD's was when they offered additional commentary and extra clips and mini-documentaries, such as
the making of a movie. Not sure if there is a way to encrypt the director's and actor's commentaries into existing video formats.
DVD has multiple audio channels, so you should be able to find a tool which wil let you extract that channel, or encode that additional channel instead.
I went the other way once, took digital tracks and made a DVD out of them. It was a lot of fun, you could make your own title screen and menus, select what options and where they'd go on the screen, and lay out chapters on the disk.
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Ogg to Digital Man on Sun Jul 17 2022 09:18 am
The display packaging (to prevent shoplifting) for such SD
cards would have been a nightmare. The basic SD products are
all practically under lock and key at department/convenience
stores.
Remember those big shrinkwrapped cardboard cartons for CDs, so they could fi
Nightfox wrote to Kaelon <=-
Considering optical media starts to decay in around 20 years, this is no longer a theoretical. Any DVD or Blu-Ray purchased at the start of the millenium is nearing its end-of-life. Best to rip it soon before quality begins to decline.
That's what people say, but I have some old discs that I still
haven't had any problem with. I have a DVD movie I purchased a
little over 20 years ago, and I just watched it again a couple
months ago and it didn't have any problems. I also have a CD-R
that I backed up my original 90s BBS onto in 2000, and I was
still able to read it recently.
For those who have experienced optical media "decay", I have to
wonder if those discs were stored somewhere that was too warm or
perhaps in sunlight or something.
I'd almost be willing to put money on that being the case. I don't
think the life of a CD/DVD is *infinite*, but I do think it's a *LOT* longer than 20-ish years.
So much data has already been lost. Think of the early internet, how much of that is still around? archive.org does a decent job, but good like finding some sites from the late 90's.
Caere Paperport scanners had their own format that it saved fiules in by default. Caere was bought up by Caldera, and I haven't seen a copy of their s oftware since the XP days.
Some of the early content created in Director, Shockwave and Flash were pretty amazing. I wish I'd saved some of it.
The internet archive has some of it saved, including Radiskull and Devil Doll. Look it up. :)
I tend to watch a half hour episode of a particular series in the morning on m
phone or iPad when having my breakfast before watching a single episode of something longer in the evening on returning home from work and having dinner.
Really? I assume you've tried the usual methods to remove the DRM and copy-pro
ction schema? Handbreak + AnyDVD / Slyfox combination?
She was director over business services, and i cannot figure how she ranked so high. She tried to move further up the food chain by taking the senior rea
ctor operator's licensing course. She got canned for cheating on the final exam.
Handbrake could not find anything to pull off the DVD... well, except the commercial tracks. Those don't have any protection on them I guess.
MakeMKV can extract videos from a DVD (and blu-ray) into a .mkv file, and then you could use something to extract the audio track (such as StaxRip, which can separate out all the video and audio tracks). I have a feeling there may be easier wasy to rip just the audio track though..
Nightfox
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thrives
By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Mon Jul 18 2022 02:39 pm
I'd almost be willing to put money on that being the case. I don't
think the life of a CD/DVD is *infinite*, but I do think it's a *LOT* longer than 20-ish years.
When CDs were a relatively new medium, I remember hearing people
say they should theoretically last hundreds of years. Maybe
that's too optimistic, but I tend to think they should last quite
a while.
I've also seen "M-Disc" recordsable optical discs that are
supposedly made to last a lot longer than regular recordable
discs.
Complete agree. While archive.org does a decent job - of that I agree - they are only really capturing a miniscule fraction of all webpages. Think of the vast troves of really great sites (not to mention the countless crap-sites!) from Geocities, Lycos, HomeStead, etc. Gone. Completely.
Again, I channel a lot of the people that write about this sort of stuff and they beg, plead even, to just print everything out. Photos. Books. Posts. Whatever you care about, if you want it to survive for posterity, affix it to some physical format.
I cannot imagine that future generations will ever care to even try and unscramble the worthless ancient formats, even if they can get their hands on it. The Digital Detritus will be swept away by failed sites and unarchived flotsam.
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I've also seen "M-Disc" recordsable optical discs that are
supposedly made to last a lot longer than regular recordable
discs.
Haven't heard of those, but might look for that the next time I buy a spindle of something. I don't use many any more these days, but a
couple of times a year I'll burn my /SBBS directory to one, date it, and add it to a pile.
I am not familiar with the other two but, based on the order you have them in, I am assuming that Handbrake has to do something first that it cannot
do if it cannot find anything?
I've never used Handbrake for disc ripping, only transcoding.. I didn't even realize Handbrake could do that. Usually I rip discs with Makemkv, and then transcode the resulting video with Handbrake to make it smaller.
The fact that she was in a position to possibly be a reactor operator (I am assuming nuclear) should be enough to scare anyone.
I do that with photos which we take which matter to us, we print them into a book, though that is only a fraction of what we've taken.
I consider myself quite computer literate, having worked as IT support/co-admin, and even I worry about losing data that *I* handle, let alone others. People store their digital photo's on a laptop, one theft away from total loss. Someone I knew had theirs on a harddrive which they spilled liquid or or dropped. My wife had the only copies of many photos on her hard drive, which one day, decided to just die in a puff of smoke (luckily it somehow just worked again months later). Burned DVD's last, usually, but I've been stung by manufacturing defects. How many people use M-DISK? No one really. How many people have their photos managed by iPhoto or something, and have no idea where the files actually are on their drive, or how to access this outside of iPhoto/whatever-cloud-service?
If it is hard for me, what hope do others have?
So even if the information is around and not lost, how to find it? This was an issue in Medieval Europe too, old scrolls and books just laying in a jumble which no one knew, or cared, to know what they were.
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I've also seen "M-Disc" recordsable optical discs that are
supposedly made to last a lot longer than regular recordable
discs.
Haven't heard of those, but might look for that the next time I buy a spindle of something. I don't use many any more these days, but a
couple of times a year I'll burn my /SBBS directory to one, date it, and add it to a pile.
Yeah, I often used to burn my BBS backups to a CD-R, but now,
even compressed, my BBS backup file needs more space than a CD-R.
I've been using a USB flash drive most of the time now.
[..] Years ago, I bought a CD from a pawn shop [..] I took
the CD back to the store where I bought it, and they took
the CD out of the case and brought me another copy of the
CD they had and put it in the same case and gave that back
to me. For some reason I thought that seemed a bit sketchy
at the time, but I guess in the end I still ended up with a
good copy of the CD album along with its case and the
booklet in the case.
Admittedly, it's been a few years since I ripped off Blu-Rays and DVDs, but you use Slyfox's AnyDVD to remove the copyprotection (by actually writing the keys to your active memory and allowing decoding), and then Handbrake should be able to pull the video and audio streams off of the disc. That's the theory at any rate.
[..] Years ago, I bought a CD from a pawn shop [..] I took
the CD back to the store where I bought it, and they took
the CD out of the case and brought me another copy of the
CD they had and put it in the same case and gave that back
to me. For some reason I thought that seemed a bit sketchy
at the time, but I guess in the end I still ended up with a
good copy of the CD album along with its case and the
booklet in the case.
Why sketchy? Did you get a home-burned CD-R version? It would
be very easy to tell the difference between a commercial CD and
a CD-R.
Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Kaelon to Nightfox on Sat Jul 16 2022 06:23 pm
We're the same person. ;) And I, too, assumed that flash-disks or USB drives would have gone mainstream and replaced optical drives, but the entertainment industry is obsessed with digital rights management and getting all of the TV manufacturers to align on the same proprietary format would be madness. So, today, pretty much every TV can decode eve format via USB inserted media, but if a publisher or distributor wants DMR, they're fresh out of luck.
Recently I was thinking that if they did start to distribute movies on USB f tanding is that blu-ray and optical drives have a set of keys stored inside
Considering optical media starts to decay in around 20 years, this is n longer a theoretical. Any DVD or Blu-Ray purchased at the start of the millenium is nearing its end-of-life. Best to rip it soon before qualit begins to decline.
That's what people say, but I have some old discs that I still haven't had a hat I backed up my original 90s BBS onto in 2000, and I was still able to re
For those who have experienced optical media "decay", I have to wonder if th
Nightfox
She was director over business services, and i cannot figure how she ranke so high. She tried to move further up the food chain by taking the senior ctor operator's licensing course. She got canned for cheating on the fina exam.
You may have answered your own question there, assuming there were previous tests to cheat on and she didn't get caught before.
The fact that she was in a position to possibly be a reactor operator (I am assuming nuclear) should be enough to scare anyone.
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Mon Jul 18 2022 04:15 pm
The fact that she was in a position to possibly be a reactor operator (I assuming nuclear) should be enough to scare anyone.
they also have chemical reactor operators where you operatore pumps hoses, v
i've done that.
Admittedly, it's been a few years since I ripped off Blu-Rays and DVDs, but yo
use Slyfox's AnyDVD to remove the copyprotection (by actually writing the keys
o your active memory and allowing decoding), and then Handbrake should be able
o pull the video and audio streams off of the disc. That's the theory at any te.
The fact that she was in a position to possibly be a reactor operator (I am
assuming nuclear) should be enough to scare anyone.
they also have chemical reactor operators where you operatore pumps hoses, val
s to xfer chemicals in liquid and powder form.
i've done that.
During the Renaissance, this problem was tackled programmatically through a variety of specialized roles:Agree, but who? Private interests may do it, but likely to monetise it, or not be interested because there isn't a quick return. Churhes? Monasteries?
* ARCHIVISTS were responsible for determining how content would be stored for the long-haul, and built upon the ancient library science and started creating standards for preservation, categorization, and reference.
* CHRONICLERS reviewed all of the news of the ages and built abridged histories, or Chronicles, of the time, including extentive reference to content that had been archived for future generations to conduct follow-up research.
* HISTORIANS became the scholars that reviewed the chronicles and cross-referenced with what archivists, and lesser librarians, had stored, in order to produce more 'modern' retrospectives and studies on what really happened and what the impact of what happened was.
We need similar roles for the new digital age. And I am not really convinced that the Internet Archive has a true archival, chronicling, and historiographic practice for their resspective domains.
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ahhhh, I will check into that!
I think the solution is custody. Who owns the information, how is it transferred. A way to transfer the public contents of a server before you decommission it. A way for people who are done maintaining their sites to simply hand it over to archivists. This would be more a cultural shift than a technological one.
There are already questions about how to handle social media accounts after people die, who takes ownership and such, and I think this problem neatly extends to the one we are discussing.
As others have mentioned here, I should retract my advice and instead recommend MakeMKV, which has the ability to rip the audio and video streams and completely disregard whatever encryption keys are in store. I had completely spaced on this, probably because it is primarily a command-line Linux application, but I believe there are GUI and Windows/macOS branches of MakeMKV that should work just fine these days.
val
s to xfer chemicals in liquid and powder form.
i've done that.
Depending on the chemicals in question, the idea of her operating one of those might also ought to scare anyone. :)
This is a great idea! Chain of custody arrangements would certainly be in line with many of our legal and institutional practices. Could we formalize this so that the cultural shift is embedded in technological practices? And how would we contend with the evergreen economic interests that no doubt would prevail? A fascinating proposition, indeed!
Another great observation! I think you are absolutely right; there are very compatible applications between the memorialization of the deceaseds' social media accounts and the need to preserve human knowledge beyond the digital conundrum in which we have found ourselves.
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The fact that she was in a position to possibly be a reactor operator ( assuming nuclear) should be enough to scare anyone.
they also have chemical reactor operators where you operatore pumps hoses, s to xfer chemicals in liquid and powder form.
i've done that.
Depending on the chemicals in question, the idea of her operating one of those might also ought to scare anyone. :)
* SLMR 2.1a * "Mmmmmmmm.....chocolate."
I mentioned in another thread that her getting licensed was a job advancment pre-requisite. She'd never touch a piece of real equipment
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Moviemakers know they make much more money from the first
days after a theatrical release than they do from long term
royalties and DVD sales.
Can that really be true? I would think that the physical/
streaming branch of a release would bring in a more guaranteed
inflow of cash. Some actors have opted to lower salaries in
their films for life-time royalties and are richer for that.
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to Boraxman on Sun Jul 17 2022 10:19 pm
One of the things I liked about buying DVD's was when they offered additional commentary and extra clips and mini-documentaries, such as the making of a movie. Not sure if there is a way to encrypt the director's andI'm pretty sure you can with some container formats, have more than one audio strea
actor's commentaries into existing video formats.
DVD has multiple audio channels, so you should be able to find a tool which wil let
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Unless a film has a lot of staying power, it won't make a significant
dime past its expiration date.
Unless a film has a lot of staying power, it won't make a
significant dime past its expiration date.
It is just like books. Books make most of their profit
during their commertial lives within the first 6 months of
publication of so. Then they make the rest by limping along
through the years with no glory left on their shoulders.
Why sketchy? Did you get a home-burned CD-R version? It
would be very easy to tell the difference between a
commercial CD and a CD-R.
It was a commercially produced copy. I guess it seemed
sketchy because they seemed to have other copies of the CD
by itself (without the case) that they could give to
customers to replace the one they had bought.. For a pawn
shop, I wouldn't have expected that at the time, I guess.
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