• Re: book: upgrade by blak

    From Dr. What@THEGATEB to Arelor on Tuesday, July 18, 2023 07:12:00
    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    You just can't browse an ebook as fast as you browse a thick book.

    When I was at college, a lot of people had digital books. The gal who
    used to sit right next to me had a very nice ereader their parents had given her as a birthday gift for college. She tried it for a while and went back to paper books in a matter of weeks.

    eBook readers are wonderful if you are reading the book from cover to cover but as soon as you need to jump around in the book, they get cumbersome very quickly.

    I have a really nice PocketBook eReader that I enjoy reading novels on, but all of my reference books are paper.


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  • From Gamgee@PALANTIR to Dr. What on Tuesday, July 18, 2023 14:07:00
    Dr. What wrote to Arelor <=-

    You just can't browse an ebook as fast as you browse a thick book.

    When I was at college, a lot of people had digital books. The gal who
    used to sit right next to me had a very nice ereader their parents had given her as a birthday gift for college. She tried it for a while and went back to paper books in a matter of weeks.

    eBook readers are wonderful if you are reading the book from
    cover to cover but as soon as you need to jump around in the
    book, they get cumbersome very quickly.

    Absolute truth, right there.

    I love something paper with liberal use of highlighters and notes
    scribbled in the margins.



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  • From Nightfox@DIGDIST to Gamgee on Tuesday, July 18, 2023 16:07:01
    Re: Re: book: upgrade by blak
    By: Gamgee to Dr. What on Tue Jul 18 2023 02:07 pm

    eBook readers are wonderful if you are reading the book from
    cover to cover but as soon as you need to jump around in the
    book, they get cumbersome very quickly.

    Absolute truth, right there.

    I love something paper with liberal use of highlighters and notes scribbled in the margins.

    That reminds me of when I was in college, and when buying my textbooks, I'd try to buy used copies if available since they were cheaper than new copies. For one class, I ended up with a used copy where the previous owner had highlighted whole pages of the book (I didn't really get why they did that). One day in class, we were working in groups and had our books open, and someone else in class saw my copy of the book and said something like, "So you like highlighting?" I explained that I had bought a used copy and it was like that when I bought it.

    Nightfox

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  • From Gamgee@PALANTIR to Nightfox on Tuesday, July 18, 2023 20:18:00
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I love something paper with liberal use of highlighters and notes scribbled in the margins.

    That reminds me of when I was in college, and when buying my
    textbooks, I'd try to buy used copies if available since they
    were cheaper than new copies. For one class, I ended up with a
    used copy where the previous owner had highlighted whole pages of
    the book (I didn't really get why they did that). One day in
    class, we were working in groups and had our books open, and
    someone else in class saw my copy of the book and said something
    like, "So you like highlighting?" I explained that I had bought
    a used copy and it was like that when I bought it.

    Hehe, yes it does seem strange to highlight a whole page... Many times
    the used books had the important (test-able!) info highlighted, and if
    you were real lucky, the margin scribbles were still legible and
    relevant. :-)



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  • From hollowone@BEERS20 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, July 20, 2023 06:51:00
    As much as I love paper books and book culture (my first job was in a bookstore...) being able to read with adjustable fonts and a backlight
    at my age is better. Reading a used SF paperback like the early edition
    of Dune that I found, with yellowing paper and faded ink is a chore.


    Although I like the smell of the book and having them in numbers in my home library, I agree, book today is often words on screen and even I have many books on paper I still tend to look at digital copies more. Paper copies are often just old fashioned collectibles that feed my vain.

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  • From Hustler@DMINE to Nightfox on Monday, July 31, 2023 10:36:41
    Re: Re: book: upgrade by blak
    By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Tue Jul 18 2023 04:07 pm

    That reminds me of when I was in college, and when buying my textbooks, I'd try to buy used copies if available since they were cheaper than new something like, "So you like highlighting?" I explained that I had bought

    I always bought used books in college. They were MUCH cheaper and I felt if someone highlighted something it must be important so I figured that was a benefit to me. If They had no used books then I was forced to buy new. That pissed me off because I wouldn't use a highlighter cause I wanted to get the most money for it when I sold it used. I didn't do as well in class without using the highlighter. LoL. Damned if I do. Damned if I don't.
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  • From Ogg@CAPCITY2 to Hustler on Monday, July 31, 2023 17:52:00
    Hello Hustler!

    ** On Monday 31.07.23 - 10:36, Hustler wrote to Nightfox:

    That reminds me of when I was in college, and when buying my textbooks,
    I'd try to buy used copies if available since they were cheaper than new
    something like, "So you like highlighting?" I explained that I had
    bought

    I always bought used books in college. They were MUCH cheaper and I felt if someone highlighted something it must be important so I figured that
    was a benefit to me. If They had no used books then I was forced to buy new. That pissed me off because I wouldn't use a highlighter cause I
    wanted to get the most money for it when I sold it used.

    You said it yourself that highlighting was a bonus feature in a
    used textbook. So, you could have marketed your used books the
    same way! :D


    I didn't do as well in class without using the highlighter.
    LoL. Damned if I do. Damned if I don't.

    If you could do it all over again, what would you do now? ;)






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  • From Hustler@REALITY to Ogg on Tuesday, August 01, 2023 05:47:36
    Re: book: upgrade by blak
    By: Ogg to Hustler on Mon Jul 31 2023 05:52 pm

    You said it yourself that highlighting was a bonus feature in a
    used textbook. So, you could have marketed your used books the
    same way! :D
    Nah. The book loses it's value when it's marked up.

    I didn't do as well in class without using the highlighter.
    LoL. Damned if I do. Damned if I don't.

    If you could do it all over again, what would you do now? ;)

    I'd change my major to computer science instead of criminal justice. ;-)


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  • From candycane@CONCHAOS to Hustler on Tuesday, August 01, 2023 11:41:12
    Re: book: upgrade by blak
    By: Hustler to Ogg on Tue Aug 01 2023 05:47 am

    If you could do it all over again, what would you do now? ;)

    I'd change my major to computer science instead of criminal justice. ;-)

    Ooooo cool, so are you like a lawyer?

    candycane

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  • From Dumas Walker@CAPCITY2 to OGG on Tuesday, August 01, 2023 09:15:00
    You said it yourself that highlighting was a bonus feature in a
    used textbook. So, you could have marketed your used books the
    same way! :D

    My recollection, which might be wrong, was that the places that bought used books from the students would not pay as much for ones that had been highlighted, marked up, etc.

    What got me was when I had to buy a real expensive book new only to find
    out at the end of the term that the prof figured out it was not a good book
    to use, changed back to their previous semester's book, and there was no
    way to resell it.

    I had that happen in an Accounting class. We were supposedly going to be
    able to use it for the next class (Accounting II). That turned out false,
    I could not resell the book, and wound up donating it to the library since
    it was not a book I wanted to keep.

    I kept my Astronomy and Geography textbooks.


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  • From Nightfox@DIGDIST to Dumas Walker on Tuesday, August 01, 2023 13:07:42
    Re: book: upgrade by blak
    By: Dumas Walker to OGG on Tue Aug 01 2023 09:15 am

    What got me was when I had to buy a real expensive book new only to find out at the end of the term that the prof figured out it was not a good book to use, changed back to their previous semester's book, and there was no way to resell it.

    I had that happen in an Accounting class. We were supposedly going to be able to use it for the next class (Accounting II). That turned out false, I could not resell the book, and wound up donating it to the library since it was not a book I wanted to keep.

    I kept my Astronomy and Geography textbooks.

    I feel like there should be a way for college students to borrow their textbooks rather than buy them, and perhaps that would be less expensive. Most of the time, students don't need to keep the textbooks (though it would be good to still have the option to buy them).

    Nightfox

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  • From candycane@CONCHAOS to Nightfox on Tuesday, August 01, 2023 19:46:44
    Re: book: upgrade by blak
    By: Nightfox to Dumas Walker on Tue Aug 01 2023 01:07 pm

    Re: book: upgrade by blak
    By: Dumas Walker to OGG on Tue Aug 01 2023 09:15 am

    What got me was when I had to buy a real expensive book new only to
    find out at the end of the term that the prof figured out it was not
    a good book to use, changed back to their previous semester's book,
    and there was no way to resell it.

    I had that happen in an Accounting class. We were supposedly going
    to be able to use it for the next class (Accounting II). That
    turned out false, I could not resell the book, and wound up donating
    it to the library since it was not a book I wanted to keep.

    I kept my Astronomy and Geography textbooks.

    I feel like there should be a way for college students to borrow their textbooks rather than buy them, and perhaps that would be less expensive. Most of the time, students don't need to keep the textbooks (though it would be good to still have the option to buy them).

    Nightfox

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    I heard somewhere that some colleges release new versions each year to force new purchaces by changing page numbers

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  • From MRO@BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Wednesday, August 02, 2023 01:39:58
    Re: book: upgrade by blak
    By: Dumas Walker to OGG on Tue Aug 01 2023 09:15 am

    You said it yourself that highlighting was a bonus feature in a
    used textbook. So, you could have marketed your used books the
    same way! :D

    My recollection, which might be wrong, was that the places that bought used books from the students would not pay as much for ones that had been highlighted, marked up, etc.

    What got me was when I had to buy a real expensive book new only to find
    out at the end of the term that the prof figured out it was not a good book to use, changed back to their previous semester's book, and there was no
    way to resell it.

    I had that happen in an Accounting class. We were supposedly going to be able to use it for the next class (Accounting II). That turned out false,
    I could not resell the book, and wound up donating it to the library since it was not a book I wanted to keep.

    I kept my Astronomy and Geography textbooks.


    i bought used books for tech college. there wasnt really any mention of it being cheaper for having notes or highlights.
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  • From HusTler@BEERS20 to Dumas Walker on Wednesday, August 02, 2023 04:39:00
    My recollection, which might be wrong, was that the places that bought used books from the students would not pay as much for ones that had been highlighted, marked up, etc.

    That's why I didn't highlight new books. But it had a negative effect on my course work

    DW> What got me was when I had to buy a real expensive
    book new only to find DW> out at the end of the term that the prof figured out it was not a good DW> book to use, changed back to their previous semester's book, and there DW> was no way to resell it.

    That's BS!! I would have sent the reciept to the Professor or School!
  • From HusTler@BEERS20 to candycane on Wednesday, August 02, 2023 04:53:00
    I heard somewhere that some colleges release new versions each year to force new purchaces by changing page numbers


    College is not like the public schools we went to paid by tax dollars. Their all a money making scheme. I get approved for a $20,000 loan but I still have to buy books? Talk about a scheme. Pay for parking. Pay $20.00 for a burger and fries in the school cafeteria. It's school not a 49er game.

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  • From candycane@CONCHAOS to MRO on Wednesday, August 02, 2023 08:31:23
    Re: book: upgrade by blak
    By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Wed Aug 02 2023 01:39 am

    i bought used books for tech college. there wasnt really any mention of it being cheaper for having notes or highlights.

    Why would it be cheaper for notes? What if they're wrong/distracting?

    candycane

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@REALITY to candycane on Wednesday, August 02, 2023 06:50:00
    candycane wrote to Nightfox <=-

    I heard somewhere that some colleges release new versions each year to force new purchaces by changing page numbers

    It's usually professors who write their own textbooks as a means of
    additional income. I remember a physics professor who did minor upgrades
    to a spiral bound "text book" complete with his own hand drawn scribbles pretending to be diagrams. He bumped the version number and made veiled
    threats to students who tried using the "old" edition.

    Most of the content and page numbers were identical. We'd all had to
    buy the previous edition in the fall. Bastard didn't even have the
    decency to wait until the beginning of the school year to bump the
    edition.



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  • From Dumas Walker@CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Wednesday, August 02, 2023 07:39:00
    I feel like there should be a way for college students to borrow their textboo
    rather than buy them, and perhaps that would be less expensive. Most of the me, students don't need to keep the textbooks (though it would be good to stil
    have the option to buy them).

    Some schools might do that, but I suspect it is a money maker for someone.
    A couple of the smaller state schools here, as a way to compete with the
    two largest, have started giving their students their textbooks as
    "covered" by their tuition. As best as I can tell, the tuition at those schools is still less than their larger brothers. The one thing I am not
    clear on is whether or not that program is for all students, or just the freshman class.

    The way they advertise it, you get there for the semester and your books
    are either already in your room, or ready for you to pick up.


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  • From candycane@CONCHAOS to Dumas Walker on Wednesday, August 02, 2023 17:14:15
    Re: book: upgrade by blak
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Wed Aug 02 2023 07:39 am

    The way they advertise it, you get there for the semester and your books are either already in your room, or ready for you to pick up.

    Kinda ridiculous thats a selling point..

    candycane

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  • From Dumas Walker@CAPCITY2 to MRO on Thursday, August 03, 2023 08:11:00
    My recollection, which might be wrong, was that the places that bought used
    books from the students would not pay as much for ones that had been highlighted, marked up, etc.

    i bought used books for tech college. there wasnt really any mention of it be
    g cheaper for having notes or highlights.

    I agree they were not cheaper for the buying student. I think the book
    stores did not pay the selling student as much for a book that was
    marked up.


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  • From Dumas Walker@CAPCITY2 to CANDYCANE on Thursday, August 03, 2023 08:14:00
    The way they advertise it, you get there for the semester and your books are either already in your room, or ready for you to pick up.

    Kinda ridiculous thats a selling point..

    In a way, it is, but for some buying the expensive books themselves vs.
    knowing it is taken care of might be a tipping point as to which school they choose.


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