I've got a Single Six as well as a couple of Heritage Arms Rought Riders.
He Heritage is a good arm for the money. It'll never be confused with a Ruger, but it's decently made and will do the job. I'll tell you this right off, the sights are terrible on them...

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Gun show in Memphis tomorrow - I'm in the market for a replacement for
my Ruger Convertible Single Six that was stolen a few years ago...

I've been looking at the Heritage, because of the price (I can't
justify the price of a NEW Ruger Singl

I've got a Single Six as well as a couple of Heritage Arms Rought Riders.
He Heritage is a good arm for the money. It'll never be confused with a Ruger, but it's decently made and will do the job. I'll tell you this right off, the sights are terrible on them...

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Gun show in Memphis tomorrow - I'm in the market for a replacement for
my Ruger Convertible Single Six that was stolen a few years ago...

I've been looking at the Heritage, because of the price (I can't
justify the price of a NEW Ruger Single-Six right now, just for a fun plinker), and I'm considering the Ruger Wrangler - but it doesn't have
a Magnum cylinder option...

I've been looking online, becoming familiar with other brands and
options that are out there, so if I run across something at the show
I'll know a little more about it...

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Re: .22 SAA
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to ALL on Fri Mar 06 2020 01:58 am

Gun show in Memphis tomorrow - I'm in the market for a replacement for
my Ruger Convertible Single Six that was stolen a few years ago...

I've been looking at the Heritage, because of the price (I can't justify
the price of a NEW Ruger Single-Six right now, just for a fun plinker),
and I'm considering the Ruger Wrangler - but it doesn't have a Magnum cylinder option...

I've been looking online, becoming familiar with other brands and options that are out there, so if I run across something at the show I'll know
a little more about it...

... Alex, I'll take "things that only I know" for $1000.

I'm a bit leery onthe quality of heritage revolvers. IRC they're part of the Taurus /Rossi group and I have several friends who have had trouble with Taurus' wheelguns

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WEATHERMAN wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

I've got a Single Six as well as a couple of Heritage Arms Rought
Riders. He Heritage is a good arm for the money. It'll never be
confused with a Ruger, but it's decently made and will do the job.
I'll tell you this right off, the sights are terrible on them...

Well - I ended up NOT going to the show, but I did have to go to Jackson,
so I went to Acadamy Sports, just because I knew they sold guns and I've
never been in there. They had a couple of Heritage and one (Silver)
Ruger Wrangler.

Holding one, and then the other? The Ruger has a better feeling 'grip'
to me than the Heritage. The Rugar is $199 (I've made some calls and
that seems to be the street price in my area) and there's a store in
Dyersburg that has two Heritage in stock for $199 with the magnum
cylinder included.

So - if I wind up buying new, I think I'm going to go with the
Wrangler for now and maybe get a Single Six down the road... I've
already picked out some Imitation Mother of Pearl grips for it -
LOL - and a nice side holster.

One more thing - the Wrangler is ONLY available in the 4-5/8"
barrel length, and I do like the 6" barrel of the Single Six
or the Heritage better, but I think I'll be happier in the
long run with the Wrangler...




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MOONDOG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

I'm a bit leery onthe quality of heritage revolvers. IRC they're part
of the Taurus /Rossi group and I have several friends who have had
trouble with Taurus' wheelguns

I think it's like anything else, you get what you pay for, and if you're
buying a low end plinker, it's never gonna be the quality of a high
end gun.

BUT - that being said - I think there's something to be said for any gun
can be taken care of and have some good use and life!





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JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to WEATHERMAN <=-

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WEATHERMAN wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

I've got a Single Six as well as a couple of Heritage Arms Rought
Riders. He Heritage is a good arm for the money. It'll never be
confused with a Ruger, but it's decently made and will do the job.
I'll tell you this right off, the sights are terrible on them...

Well - I ended up NOT going to the show, but I did have to go to
Jackson, so I went to Acadamy Sports, just because I knew they sold
guns and I've never been in there. They had a couple of Heritage and
one (Silver) Ruger Wrangler.

Holding one, and then the other? The Ruger has a better feeling 'grip'
to me than the Heritage. The Rugar is $199 (I've made some calls and
that seems to be the street price in my area) and there's a store in Dyersburg that has two Heritage in stock for $199 with the magnum
cylinder included.

So - if I wind up buying new, I think I'm going to go with the
Wrangler for now and maybe get a Single Six down the road... I've
already picked out some Imitation Mother of Pearl grips for it -
LOL - and a nice side holster.

One more thing - the Wrangler is ONLY available in the 4-5/8"
barrel length, and I do like the 6" barrel of the Single Six
or the Heritage better, but I think I'll be happier in the
long run with the Wrangler...

Have an old model Single Six (three screw model), and I fully agree that the Ruger is better feeling gun. Of course, for the price of one it sure as hell better be. I also have a couple of Rough Riders and for what it's worth, if I'm out in the field and need something for taking care of snakes and critters while I'm mending fences, I'd sure as hell feel a lot better about the Rough Rider falling into the mud and being run over than I would the Single Six!

Cheers!

Weatherman


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Weatherman wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

Have an old model Single Six (three screw model), and I fully agree
that the Ruger is better feeling gun. Of course, for the price of one
it sure as hell better be. I also have a couple of Rough Riders and
for what it's worth, if I'm out in the field and need something for
taking care of snakes and critters while I'm mending fences, I'd sure
as hell feel a lot better about the Rough Rider falling into the mud
and being run over than I would the Single Six!

I've got an old Double-Nine that I've had for about 30+ years. I love it. Very accurate and dependable. I use shot shells in it for our Rattlers and it does a great job.


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Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to MOONDOG on Tue Mar 10 2020 10:14 am

MOONDOG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

I'm a bit leery onthe quality of heritage revolvers. IRC they're part of the Taurus /Rossi group and I have several friends who have had trouble with Taurus' wheelguns

I think it's like anything else, you get what you pay for, and if you're buying a low end plinker, it's never gonna be the quality of a high
end gun.

BUT - that being said - I think there's something to be said for any gun
can be taken care of and have some good use and life!

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Nothing wrong with having recreational "fun" guns. It's when you begin to defensive carry or compete it's better to have a firearm you know you can depend on. A couple of years ago I parted together my first AR-15, and contracted what they call the BRD (black rifle disease.) Due to the
modularity of design and variety of barrel lengths, calibers, and other
items, you end up with the equivalent of a bag full of gold clubs rather than
a single do-everything driver. My first build was a bull barreled beast that was too heavy to use other than take from the trunk to the bench rest, so i
did some research, waited for sales, and made a few good for hunting, competi tion, and defensive carbine roles.

I even got my sister's boyfriend pulled in, and he assembled a really nice precision woodchuck dropper.

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Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: Thumper to Weatherman on Fri Mar 13 2020 08:23 am

Weatherman wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

Have an old model Single Six (three screw model), and I fully agree that the Ruger is better feeling gun. Of course, for the price of one it sure as hell better be. I also have a couple of Rough Riders and for what it's worth, if I'm out in the field and need something for taking care of snakes and critters while I'm mending fences, I'd sure as hell feel a lot better about the Rough Rider falling into the mud and being run over than I would the Single Six!

I've got an old Double-Nine that I've had for about 30+ years. I love it. V accurate and dependable. I use shot shells in it for our Rattlers and it doe a great job.

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I found some shotshells for the .40 S&W ,but haven't fired them yet. CCI
makes a variety of specialty ammo.

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Weatherman wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

Have an old model Single Six (three screw model), and I fully agree
that the Ruger is better feeling gun. Of course, for the price of one
it sure as hell better be. I also have a couple of Rough Riders and
for what it's worth, if I'm out in the field and need something for
taking care of snakes and critters while I'm mending fences, I'd sure
as hell feel a lot better about the Rough Rider falling into the mud
and being run over than I would the Single Six!

I've got an old Double-Nine that I've had for about 30+ years. I love
it. Very accurate and dependable. I use shot shells in it for our
Rattlers and it does a great job.

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At the price those things are selling for, I'd miss one of those almost as much as my Single Six! For working around the property, I don't think I could beat the Rough Rider. Of course, Sportsman's Warehouse IS having a sale on the Ruger Wrangler so who knows, maybe I'll be picking up another "working 'round the property" gun...

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WEATHERMAN wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

I've got a Single Six as well as a couple of Heritage Arms Rought
Riders. He Heritage is a good arm for the money. It'll never be
confused with a Ruger, but it's decently made and will do the job.
I'll tell you this right off, the sights are terrible on them...

My father in law gave me his Heritage Rough Rider for a late
birthday present! So instead of buying one at all, I have that
one. LOL

Took it home that day and ran 18 rounds through it. I thought the
sights were fine! That 'rear groove' cut into the top strap was
a new thing for me, but I adopted quickly!

Have an old model Single Six (three screw model), and I fully agree
that the Ruger is better feeling gun. Of course, for the price of one
it sure as hell better be.

LOL - yeah, and that's part of it... I can't justify $500 plus for a
'fun' gun to shoot... Not when I can get a Heritage or a Wrangler
for $199. LOL And now that I have this one, I'm fine to dress it up
with pearl grips and a nice 'yard' holster and if money ever becomes
a non-issue I can get a Single Six again. LOL Or if I find a good one
used or something...

I also have a couple of Rough Riders and
for what it's worth, if I'm out in the field and need something for
taking care of snakes and critters while I'm mending fences, I'd sure
as hell feel a lot better about the Rough Rider falling into the mud
and being run over than I would the Single Six!

LOL - good point! :-)




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JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to WEATHERMAN <=-

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WEATHERMAN wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

I've got a Single Six as well as a couple of Heritage Arms Rought
Riders. He Heritage is a good arm for the money. It'll never be
confused with a Ruger, but it's decently made and will do the job.
I'll tell you this right off, the sights are terrible on them...

My father in law gave me his Heritage Rough Rider for a late
birthday present! So instead of buying one at all, I have that
one. LOL

Took it home that day and ran 18 rounds through it. I thought the
sights were fine! That 'rear groove' cut into the top strap was
a new thing for me, but I adopted quickly!

Groove and front blade are too narrow for decent sighting. I've got a Rough Rider and a Single Six (soon to be a Wrangler as well, once it's delivered) and can say that by the sights on the Single Six are vastly superior. Wider front blade, wider groove with enough light to sight easily and accurately. Of course the Single Six was much more expensive. That being said, I like to plink with them both, just that the Rough Rider makes it a little more like work.

Cheers...

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So I finally got my Ruger Wrangler from Sportsman's Warehouse a few days back. Initial impressions are, the burnt bronze finish (or whatever they call it) actually didn't look that bad. The sights are somewhere between my Heritage Arms Rough Rider and my Ruger Single Six in quality and all in all fit and finish isn't all that bad - considering the price. The action felt a little rough and it hung up a few times while cycling the hammer at first, but eventually it smoothed out and while it's not as silky smooth (yet) as my Single Six, it is getting better and I'm sure that as I put some rounds through it it'll "get there."

When all is said and done, I'd have to say that between the Ruger Wrangler at $179 (or so on sale) and the Rough Rider at $129 (or so on sale), the money is better spent on the Wrangler. I'd still drive across the county to get a Rough Rider at that price, but if they were both at the same place at the prices described and if I could only get one, it'd be the Ruger.

Well, thanks for listening...
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When all is said and done, I'd have to say that between the Ruger Wrangler at >$179 (or so on sale) and the Rough Rider at $129 (or so on sale), the money is >better spent on the Wrangler. I'd still drive across the county to get a Rough
Rider at that price, but if they were both at the same place at the prices >described and if I could only get one, it'd be the Ruger.

Thanks for sharing!


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WEATHERMAN wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

Groove and front blade are too narrow for decent sighting. I've got a Rough Rider and a Single Six (soon to be a Wrangler as well, once it's delivered) and can say that by the sights on the Single Six are vastly superior. Wider front blade, wider groove with enough light to sight easily and accurately. Of course the Single Six was much more
expensive. That being said, I like to plink with them both, just that
the Rough Rider makes it a little more like work.

Yeah, I shot another 40 or so rounds through it today, and I'm still having
to get used to it. I'll get there, and would like to get where I can
point shoot it - "cowboy style" - and not actually have to sight down it
like a rifle - that's what my rifle is for. LOL

I'd like to know your opinion on the Wrangler when you get it! I still
may get one down the road to have another one to plink around with. I
like the Cerakote finishes, even though it's not 'authentic' as far
as old west style, and having an option for the shorter barral would
be nice as well...




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WEATHERMAN wrote to ALL <=-

So I finally got my Ruger Wrangler from Sportsman's Warehouse a few
days back. Initial impressions are, the burnt bronze finish (or

Interesting! I didn't intend to buy one, but I was at Rural King
Saturday getting some other stuff and they had the silver and the
black. I walked out of there with the black one. :-)

whatever they call it) actually didn't look that bad. The sights are somewhere between my Heritage Arms Rough Rider and my Ruger Single Six
in quality and all in all fit and finish isn't all that bad -
considering the price. The action felt a little rough and it hung up a few times while cycling the hammer at first, but eventually it smoothed out and while it's not as silky smooth (yet) as my Single Six, it is getting better and I'm sure that as I put some rounds through it it'll "get there."

Mine was very tight - not rought at all, but very tight and super smooth!
Much smoother than my Heritage RR. Also much LOUDER! Man! That first shot sounded like a .22 Magnum! :-)

When all is said and done, I'd have to say that between the Ruger
Wrangler at $179 (or so on sale) and the Rough Rider at $129 (or so on sale), the money is better spent on the Wrangler. I'd still drive
across the county to get a Rough Rider at that price, but if they were both at the same place at the prices described and if I could only get one, it'd be the Ruger.

My RR has the magnum cylinder as well, so that's worth something, and the
blue finish and longer barral is more 'traditional' SAA, but the Ruger is,
IMO, a better overall gun. Maybe not like the Single Six I used to own,
but for $199 (wasn't on sale), a HECK of a deal!!!



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On 04-18-20 01:05, JIMMY ANDERSON mumbled to ALL about SKS.

I've decided I'm in the market for an SKS...

Two people local to me have them for sale - one wants
$450 FIRM - the other $450 OBO - and has already said
he'd take $400 cash.

Wow! I bought two in the early 90's for about $85 each. Nice rifles.

Right now Classic Firearms has them on sale for $299.
Shipping and tax is another $60, roughly, plus I'd have
to pay a local FFL and the TICS fee, so it would be
pushing $400 anyway.

Would have to see what condition. Sometimes the "previos owner" ones
are sometimes in better shape than the import ones.

The ones from Classic are Chi-Com surplus, with
bayonets, and are COATED in - oh me the name is
escaping me - the 'line' stuff that they protect
that stuff with. They are also true surplus, so
they will have 'wear and tear,' which actually
intrigues me!

Cosmoline. Cleaning that stuff off of a rifle will teach you excellent
gun cleaning skills. But once it's gone, you'll know it's clean.

So - any thoughts on this? Any advice?

Are you wanting to update stocks? Add-ons? Or just keep it stock and just shoot? They are very accurate to about 200 meters with standard sights
once you get it locked in. Watched a pro in a youtube vid pick one up and
hit at 400. And that was 1 out of 5. It was a good grouping though, just
to the left of the target.


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Hi-Points. Then again, I also have a pair of 1944 vintage M1's (one Garand an
one carbine) do I'm not JUST a cheap gun buyer. ;)

<drools> :D


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Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: Dumas Walker to WEATHERMAN on Wed Apr 29 2020 04:12 pm

Hi-Points. Then again, I also have a pair of 1944 vintage M1's (one Garan one carbine) do I'm not JUST a cheap gun buyer. ;)

<drools> :D

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Ahhh... Hi Points... My brother has one. Bought it new for $80.
9mm.

It's like the modern day Lorcin .380... probably very popular at crime scenes.

BTW I have a 1967 M1 Carbine.
What a nice looking little rifle. I have the side-by-side short clip and a larger side-by-side banana clip. Never fired it though...

I have to admit tho I like the cheap guns AND the nice ones.
For example, I have a Ruger LC9 and a Glock 42 (both decent) but then I have a Bryco .22 Chrome Semi Auto (junk) and a Cobra Arms .380 (on par with Hi
Point),

And I'm kicking around the idea of a Walther PP /S.

Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

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Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: Zombie Mambo to WEATHERMAN on Thu May 07 2020 05:16 pm

Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: Dumas Walker to WEATHERMAN on Wed Apr 29 2020 04:12 pm

Hi-Points. Then again, I also have a pair of 1944 vintage M1's (one Ga one carbine) do I'm not JUST a cheap gun buyer. ;)

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Ahhh... Hi Points... My brother has one. Bought it new for $80.
9mm.

It's like the modern day Lorcin .380... probably very popular at crime scene

BTW I have a 1967 M1 Carbine.
What a nice looking little rifle. I have the side-by-side short clip and a larger side-by-side banana clip. Never fired it though...

I have to admit tho I like the cheap guns AND the nice ones.
For example, I have a Ruger LC9 and a Glock 42 (both decent) but then I have Bryco .22 Chrome Semi Auto (junk) and a Cobra Arms .380 (on par with Hi Point),

And I'm kicking around the idea of a Walther PP /S.

Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

Walthers have made a comeback in the last ten years. I kind of wonder if
some of the SR series Ruger pistols are made under license from Walther. Some look very similar.



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Ahhh... Hi Points... My brother has one. Bought it new for $80.
9mm.

It's like the modern day Lorcin .380... probably very popular at crime scenes.

I find that most people who hate Hi-Points have never actually owned one. I've got a pistol and a carbine, both in .45 ACP. I wouldn't enjoy carrying the pistol, it's too damned heavy, but with a fixed barrel it's a hell of a lot more accurate than the locked breech .45's I own. The carbine is also damned handy at putting rounds right where I want them and it doesn't look so bad either. Both are damned reasonable pricewise and you sure as hell can't beat the warranty.

BTW I have a 1967 M1 Carbine.
What a nice looking little rifle. I have the side-by-side short clip
and a larger side-by-side banana clip. Never fired it though...

All my guns are shooters. I wouldn't own a gun that I haven't or don't intend to shoot at least once.

I have to admit tho I like the cheap guns AND the nice ones.
For example, I have a Ruger LC9 and a Glock 42 (both decent) but then I have a Bryco .22 Chrome Semi Auto (junk) and a Cobra Arms .380 (on par with Hi Point),

I've spent as little as $75 (for a Sundance A-25) to as much as $1500 (Uzi Pro) for pistols, bought rifles for anywhere from $50 (A $100 deal on a Marlin 25N and a Savage 954 LS) to $1250 on a M1 Garand and the same on an M1 Carbine. I pretty much am at the point now where my want list is getting pretty short. I'm interested in the C.O.P. 357, have wanted one ever since I first saw one back in the 80's. Have some oddballs to be sure. Like I said, the list is short, but that's the list. Opportunistic purchases are always a possibility!

Cheers!
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Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: Weatherman to Zombie Mambo on Sun May 10 2020 02:05 am

Ahhh... Hi Points... My brother has one. Bought it new for $80.
9mm.

It's like the modern day Lorcin .380... probably very popular at crime scenes.

I find that most people who hate Hi-Points have never actually owned one. I got a pistol and a carbine, both in .45 ACP. I wouldn't enjoy carrying the pistol, it's too damned heavy, but with a fixed barrel it's a hell of a lot more accurate than the locked breech .45's I own. The carbine is also damne handy at putting rounds right where I want them and it doesn't look so bad either. Both are damned reasonable pricewise and you sure as hell can't bea the warranty.

BTW I have a 1967 M1 Carbine.
What a nice looking little rifle. I have the side-by-side short clip and a larger side-by-side banana clip. Never fired it though...

All my guns are shooters. I wouldn't own a gun that I haven't or don't inte to shoot at least once.

I have to admit tho I like the cheap guns AND the nice ones.
For example, I have a Ruger LC9 and a Glock 42 (both decent) but then I have a Bryco .22 Chrome Semi Auto (junk) and a Cobra Arms .380 (on par with Hi Point),

I've spent as little as $75 (for a Sundance A-25) to as much as $1500 (Uzi P for pistols, bought rifles for anywhere from $50 (A $100 deal on a Marlin 25 and a Savage 954 LS) to $1250 on a M1 Garand and the same on an M1 Carbine. pretty much am at the point now where my want list is getting pretty short. I'm interested in the C.O.P. 357, have wanted one ever since I first saw one back in the 80's. Have some oddballs to be sure. Like I said, the list is short, but that's the list. Opportunistic purchases are always a possibilit

Cheers!
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You are correct that I do not own a hi point.
However my brother does.
It's junk.
Price alone usually is a great indicator on what you're buying.

I'd carry it as backup if i was hunting, maybe as a finisher.

I would not trust my life with it as my choice for CCW.

But like ANY firearm, I'd rather have one that not have anything.


Thanks,
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Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: Zombie Mambo to Weatherman on Sun May 10 2020 03:46 pm

You are correct that I do not own a hi point.
However my brother does.
It's junk.
Price alone usually is a great indicator on what you're buying.

I'd carry it as backup if i was hunting, maybe as a finisher.

I would not trust my life with it as my choice for CCW.

But like ANY firearm, I'd rather have one that not have anything.

Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

I think it's a natural response to assume inexpensive means junk, however there's only so much workmanship and material quality put into inexpensive firearms. I'd consider a Hi-Point to be a fun shooter, however I doubt I'd shot a match or depend on one for concealed carry.

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WEATHERMAN wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

So I finally got my Ruger Wrangler from Sportsman's Warehouse a few
days back. Initial impressions are, the burnt bronze finish (or

Interesting! I didn't intend to buy one, but I was at Rural King
Saturday getting some other stuff and they had the silver and the
black. I walked out of there with the black one. :-)

I've heard of Rural King, but we don't have any around here. I think
the closest we get is Murdoch's. The one here in sell firearms,
they're right next door to Sportsmans' Warehouse so that's
understandable, but the one in Laramie does.

We really like the atmosphere and the store as a whole! They have good,
GLASS bottle root beer, good peanut butter filled pretzel bites for
snacks - LOL - and of course a good selection of guns, ammo and other accesories.

Murdoch's in Laramie is
where I've been buying most of my Heritage guns. It's a bit of a
guilty pleasure for me, I'll admit. I'm a sucker for cheap guns. Just
to prove it, I'll even admit to owning a couple of Hi-Points. Then

LOL - I've never owned a hi-point, but I don't have an aversion to them
either. I've been a musician for YEARS (I'm 53, so started playing guitar
40 years ago) and though there *IS* a distinct quality difference, the
COST of the guitar is not what makes it good or 'better' or not, it's
how it's built and the material, etc. And a good musician can make a
cheap guitar sound 'good enough to get the job done' and a better (read
that as EXPENSIVE) guitar will NOT make a novice sound better. Might
make it easier for them, but they are still limited by their skill.

I think guns are VERY very similar...

again, I also have a pair of 1944 vintage M1's (one Garand and one carbine) do I'm not JUST a cheap gun buyer. ;)

LOL

I'd actually have preferred the black one, but I had to order online
and (believe it or don't) the only one available on the Sportsman's Warehouse website when I ordered was the burnt bronze one.

Well I walked in and they had the 'silver' one and the black one - and
the black was the ONLY one they had - the one in the case I mean, none
in the back.

whatever they call it) actually didn't look that bad. The sights are somewhere between my Heritage Arms Rough Rider and my Ruger Single Six
in quality and all in all fit and finish isn't all that bad -
considering the price. The action felt a little rough and it hung up a few times while cycling the hammer at first, but eventually it smoothed out and while it's not as silky smooth (yet) as my Single Six, it is getting better and I'm sure that as I put some rounds through it it'll "get there."

Yeah I can tell it is not as worn and smooth as my old Single Six was, but
I'm happy with mine! It's a little "tight" but also feels VERY very solid!

Mine actually binded up a couple of times, but I only had to cycle the action a few times to get it to be smooth. I always expect a newly machined mechanism to be a little rough at first so I wasn't
disappointed at all. Can't expect an arm at THAT price point to be
smooth and polished EVERY time!

That's a good point, but I will say after owning and shooting both, I
prefer the Ruger, but that doesn't mean I don't like the Heritage - don't
mean that at all!

When all is said and done, I'd have to say that between the Ruger
Wrangler at $179 (or so on sale) and the Rough Rider at $129 (or so on sale), the money is better spent on the Wrangler. I'd still drive
across the county to get a Rough Rider at that price, but if they were both at the same place at the prices described and if I could only get one, it'd be the Ruger.

Yeah - I paid $199 for my Ruger. I don't know what my father in law paid for the Heritage when he bought it several years ago, but now they are running $179 -
$189 with the magnum cylinder (mine has both).

My RR has the magnum cylinder as well, so that's worth something, and
the blue finish and longer barral is more 'traditional' SAA, but the
Ruger is, IMO, a better overall gun. Maybe not like the Single Six I
used to own, but for $199 (wasn't on sale), a HECK of a deal!!!

I am in 100% agreement with you. I'm tempted to send my Single Six
back to be fitted with a magnum cylinder but mine is a three-screw
model and all original.
That would result in me receiving an altered firearm (albeit with the original parts as well) and a $100 charge for services rendered. I already have a magnum cylinder for the RR. My Single Six is nickle finished with Mother-Of-Pearl gripes. Four clicks on the hammer and a heavy barrel. She's a damned tack driver for sure. I like them all
for different purposes. For just going out into the back yard and plinking the Wrangler is awesome. If I want someone to "ohhh" over a
gun, I break out the all original three screw Single Six. And for
heading out to the back of the property where a gun might be dropped in the mud and the shit or fall off the ATV.... well that's Rough Rider territory.

LOL - I totally get that! And if I had an original 3 screw I'd probably
want to keep it that way as well. :)

Jimmy, if you ever make your way out to Wyoming, look me up. We'll do some shooting together.

You got a deal!!!




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Hi-Points. Then again, I also have a pair of 1944 vintage M1's (one Garand an
one carbine) do I'm not JUST a cheap gun buyer. ;)

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Hi-Points. Then again, I also have a pair of 1944 vintage M1's (one Garand an
one carbine) do I'm not JUST a cheap gun buyer. ;)

<drools> :D

are thay new

No an M1 is a World War II vintage rifle.


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Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: Dumas Walker to RACE MAN on Tue May 26 2020 03:04 pm

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Hi-Points. Then again, I also have a pair of 1944 vintage M1's (one Garand an
one carbine) do I'm not JUST a cheap gun buyer. ;)

<drools> :D

are thay new

No an M1 is a World War II vintage rifle.

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Fulton Armory and Inland Manufacturing build new production M1 carbines

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ZOMBIE MAMBO wrote to WEATHERMAN <=-

Ahhh... Hi Points... My brother has one. Bought it new for $80.
9mm.

How does it shoot?

And speaking of cheap guns, any thougts from ya'll on SCCY? I've seen them
in the stores and dismissed them as 'cheap' guns, but I've heard advertisements on podcasts where they talk about the lifetime warrenty - that DOES transfer
to anyone else that owns it!

Not that I'm planning to trade my S&W M&P Shield .40 in on one, but it
got me to thinking maybe I've been dismissing them too easily...

I have to admit tho I like the cheap guns AND the nice ones.
For example, I have a Ruger LC9 and a Glock 42 (both decent) but then I have a Bryco .22 Chrome Semi Auto (junk) and a Cobra Arms .380 (on par with Hi Point),

I think the Cobra is basically the same as Davis was? My wife's first
pistol was a .380 Davis. We had to send it back to the factory - they
replaced it - she sold it and went to a 9mm Keltec, and now carries a
.40 that matches mine, only hers has a laser as well.




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WEATHERMAN wrote to ZOMBIE MAMBO <=-

I find that most people who hate Hi-Points have never actually owned
one.

I don't doubt it! I always hear them being 'run down' in gun talk,
but NO ONE I have heard say anything negative has ever owned one and
I don't think they've even shot them...

My guitar I gig with is a Takimine made in 1991 that I bought brand
new. Is a GREAT axe that has aged well and has GREAT electronics to
boot.

My 'bluegrass jamming' guitar is a Yamaha made in 1968 or so (a fire
destroyed a lot of the records, so the company couldn't tell me
for sure). I bought it used for a STEAL and when I carry it to
jams people assume it's a Martin (internally, it's a copy of a D-18),
then they look at the headstock and see Yamaha and give it a dismissive
'oh.' What I want to tell them is ignore the name and enjoy it for
what it is - a great guitar!

I think guns hit people the same way...

I've got a pistol and a carbine, both in .45 ACP. I wouldn't
enjoy carrying the pistol, it's too damned heavy, but with a fixed
barrel it's a hell of a lot more accurate than the locked breech .45's
I own. The carbine is also damned handy at putting rounds right where
I want them and it doesn't look so bad either. Both are damned
reasonable pricewise and you sure as hell can't beat the warranty.

I assume lifetime? Bought my Ruger Wrangler brand new and my wife bught
a Ruger 5.56 pistol brand new and they don't even have that...

All my guns are shooters. I wouldn't own a gun that I haven't or don't intend to shoot at least once.

Same here! My dad, when he was alive, had several long guns that he bought strictly for collection/investment and would brag that they hadn't been
shot, but to me it's the USE that makes it fun to own, but to each his own.
:-)

I've spent as little as $75 (for a Sundance A-25) to as much as $1500
(Uzi Pro) for pistols, bought rifles for anywhere from $50 (A $100 deal
on a Marlin 25N and a Savage 954 LS) to $1250 on a M1 Garand and the
same on an M1 Carbine. I pretty much am at the point now where my want list is getting pretty short. I'm interested in the C.O.P. 357, have wanted one ever since I first saw one back in the 80's. Have some oddballs to be sure. Like I said, the list is short, but that's the
list. Opportunistic purchases are always a possibility!

I have a gun on my want list, but also have a "if money were no issue"
want - the former is an SKS with character, the latter is a Ruger 57. :-)




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Moondog wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

> > Then again, I also have a pair of 1944 vintage M1's (one
> > Garand and one carbine) do I'm not JUST a cheap gun buyer.
> > ;)

are thay new

No an M1 is a World War II vintage rifle.

Fulton Armory and Inland Manufacturing build new production M1
carbines

Well, they might build *clones* of an M1... Not the same thing.


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Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to ZOMBIE MAMBO on Sun May 17 2020 03:39 am

ZOMBIE MAMBO wrote to WEATHERMAN <=-

Ahhh... Hi Points... My brother has one. Bought it new for $80.
9mm.

How does it shoot?

And speaking of cheap guns, any thougts from ya'll on SCCY? I've seen them in the stores and dismissed them as 'cheap' guns, but I've heard advertiseme on podcasts where they talk about the lifetime warrenty - that DOES transfer to anyone else that owns it!

Not that I'm planning to trade my S&W M&P Shield .40 in on one, but it
got me to thinking maybe I've been dismissing them too easily...

I have to admit tho I like the cheap guns AND the nice ones.
For example, I have a Ruger LC9 and a Glock 42 (both decent) but then I have a Bryco .22 Chrome Semi Auto (junk) and a Cobra Arms .380 (on par with Hi Point),

I think the Cobra is basically the same as Davis was? My wife's first
pistol was a .380 Davis. We had to send it back to the factory - they replaced it - she sold it and went to a 9mm Keltec, and now carries a
.40 that matches mine, only hers has a laser as well.

... "Why do those dots follow me around?" <paranoid tagline>

The SCCy's are decent for an inexpensive gun. Trigger pull suitable for a defensive gun. Sort of the on the heavy and long pull side.

A friend at the range had an early model with a problem, and when hecalled cus tomer support, they siad they would pay for ti to be sent back for service.
He otld them he didn't expect a call back so soon, and he had planned to go
on vacation to Florida. The customer service rep asked him where he was
going, because SCCY is based in Florida. He stopped by the office and a tech came up to pick up the gun. They offered to give him a tour of the facility, and by time the tour was finished the tech replaced the defective parts and upgraded other parts to improve reliability.

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Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to WEATHERMAN on Sun May 17 2020 03:47 am

WEATHERMAN wrote to ZOMBIE MAMBO <=-

I find that most people who hate Hi-Points have never actually owned one.

I don't doubt it! I always hear them being 'run down' in gun talk,
but NO ONE I have heard say anything negative has ever owned one and
I don't think they've even shot them...

In any hobby there will be some snobbery regards to brand recognition,
however some brands or specific models earn their reputation, good or bad.

Materials and treatment processes determine cost as well as manufacturing techniques. Quality control and manufacturing tolerances also affect price.

Even between variants of the same model you will see differences
that will garner preference. For example, a Remington 870 Wingmaster costs more than an Express model because the Wingmaster uses machined or hammer forged
parts over MiM parts, and metal over plastic pieces in the fire control
group. Choices of wood and quality of checking lines per inch also exist, however those along with metal finish are more aesthetic than function
related.

A casual shooter may never notice the unctional difference between the two models, however a competition shooter that shoots more in one year than a casu al shooter shoots in a lifetime will definitely wear out an Express model before they do a Wingmaster.

I was watching an interview with the owner of Cimmaron Arms, and his company m akes replicas of Old West era revolvers. If you were a SASS competition shooter, you'd want a replica over a real Colt Single Action Army because of the modern materials and construction methods. A vintage SAA's lifespan may have been 500 rounds before requiring parts service, while 500 rounds is a couple weeks' practice for a modern replica.

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Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: Gamgee to Moondog on Wed May 27 2020 09:42 pm

Moondog wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

> > Then again, I also have a pair of 1944 vintage M1's (one
> > Garand and one carbine) do I'm not JUST a cheap gun buyer.
> > ;)

are thay new

No an M1 is a World War II vintage rifle.

Fulton Armory and Inland Manufacturing build new production M1
carbines

Well, they might build *clones* of an M1... Not the same thing.

... A Smith & Wesson *ALWAYS* beats 4 Aces.

According to the blueprints it's an M1. If you want to get real choosy on
what an M1 is, there's a buttload of Iver Johson "paratrooper" carbines made during the late 1950's people believe are authentic. The anomaly in this market is the Karh Arms /Auto Ordnance Thompsons. Auto Ordnance made so many spare parts during WWII, new rifles are made of mostly "new old stock" parts left over from WWII.

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WEATHERMAN wrote to ZOMBIE MAMBO <=-

I find that most people who hate Hi-Points have never actually owned one.

I don't doubt it! I always hear them being 'run down' in gun talk,
but NO ONE I have heard say anything negative has ever owned one and
I don't think they've even shot them...

My guitar I gig with is a Takimine made in 1991 that I bought brand
new. Is a GREAT axe that has aged well and has GREAT electronics to
boot.

My 'bluegrass jamming' guitar is a Yamaha made in 1968 or so (a fire destroyed a lot of the records, so the company couldn't tell me
for sure). I bought it used for a STEAL and when I carry it to
jams people assume it's a Martin (internally, it's a copy of a D-18),
then they look at the headstock and see Yamaha and give it a dismissive 'oh.' What I want to tell them is ignore the name and enjoy it for
what it is - a great guitar!

I think guns hit people the same way...

Snobs exist in every hobby. In the amateur radio community snobbery exists among all different types of factions of the hobby. QRP users sneer at those who run full legal power. Kenwood owners stick their noses up at Yaeseu
owners and the other way around. Those who do morse hate doing SSB, those who use straight keys feel superior to those who use paddles and so on and so on. Everyone has to have a reason to make themselves feel superior, I guess.

Personally I don't care what kind of gun a person owns, likes or carries. The important thing is that they own a firearm, knows how to use it properly and supports others in their choice of firearm ownership...

I've got a pistol and a carbine, both in .45 ACP. I wouldn't enjoy carrying the pistol, it's too damned heavy, but with a fixed barrel it's a hell of a lot more accurate than the locked breech .45's I own. The carbine is also damned handy at putting rounds right where I want them and it doesn't look so bad either. Both are damned reasonable pricewise and you sure as hell can't beat the warranty.

I assume lifetime? Bought my Ruger Wrangler brand new and my wife bught
a Ruger 5.56 pistol brand new and they don't even have that...

Yeah the Hi-Point warranty is lifetime no questions asked. I caused some damage to one of mine (awkward balance caused the gun to drop off a shelf, broke the rear sight) and the company sent parts with just an email request.
No receipt copies, no RMA numbers, no sending the broken part back first. I emailed them asking how much a rear sight would cost, they emailed back saying give us your mailing address and we'll send the replacement out today. Which they did. Can't get any better customer service than that!

Enjoy!
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Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-

Fulton Armory and Inland Manufacturing build new production M1
carbines

Well, they might build *clones* of an M1... Not the same thing.

According to the blueprints it's an M1. If you want to get real
choosy on what an M1 is, there's a buttload of Iver Johson
"paratrooper" carbines made during the late 1950's people believe
are authentic. The anomaly in this market is the Karh Arms /Auto
Ordnance Thompsons. Auto Ordnance made so many spare parts
during WWII, new rifles are made of mostly "new old stock" parts
left over from WWII.

In this particular case, I am indeed "real choosy". To me such
things are not authentic M1s (or carbines). You said it yourself
right there - "mostly" new old stock parts. "Mostly" is not good
enough here (for me at least). :-)



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In this particular case, I am indeed "real choosy". To me such
things are not authentic M1s (or carbines). You said it yourself
right there - "mostly" new old stock parts. "Mostly" is not good
enough here (for me at least). :-)

In spite of any differences you and I have had in the past...I guess we have one thing in common. I want an M1 badly. I served in the 82nd Airborne
Division and really engrossed myself with the unit's history, and even walked some of the 82nd's WW2 battlefields in Europe.

Here's a kind of bizarre story, not really related, but I suspect folks here may appreciate it. We did a raid in east Baghdad in 2007 and recovered a 1911 with a colt stamp in the side and a serial number. We traced the serial
number back to a lieutenant who was killed in action I think in Italy or
North Africa or something in WW2. It's now in the 82nd's museum.

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MOONDOG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

The SCCy's are decent for an inexpensive gun. Trigger pull suitable
for a defensive gun. Sort of the on the heavy and long pull side.

I haven't held one, but they look similar to otherr brands of the same
style... I carried a 9mm Kel-Tec for a while, and it looks similar, if
not more bulky than that...

A friend at the range had an early model with a problem, and when
hecalled cus tomer support, they siad they would pay for ti to be sent back for service. He otld them he didn't expect a call back so soon,
and he had planned to go on vacation to Florida. The customer service
rep asked him where he was going, because SCCY is based in Florida. He stopped by the office and a tech came up to pick up the gun. They
offered to give him a tour of the facility, and by time the tour was finished the tech replaced the defective parts and upgraded other parts
to improve reliability.

That is awesome! Just the tour of the facility would be enough to make me
want to stop in!



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MOONDOG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

In any hobby there will be some snobbery regards to brand recognition, however some brands or specific models earn their reputation, good or
bad.

Materials and treatment processes determine cost as well as
manufacturing techniques. Quality control and manufacturing tolerances also affect price.

Agreed! In another post, I mentioned doing a polishing of the internal
parts on my M&P Shield. I don't think it's BAD that I need to do this,
because if S&W did it themselves on every gun... Well, I wouldn't have
been able to get it for what I paid for it. :-)

I was watching an interview with the owner of Cimmaron Arms, and his company m akes replicas of Old West era revolvers. If you were a SASS competition shooter, you'd want a replica over a real Colt Single
Action Army because of the modern materials and construction methods.
A vintage SAA's lifespan may have been 500 rounds before requiring
parts service, while 500 rounds is a couple weeks' practice for a
modern replica.

LOL - yeah, I can see that. :-)




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WEATHERMAN wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

<snipped Hi-Point talk>

<snipped guitar talk :) >

I think guns hit people the same way...

Snobs exist in every hobby. In the amateur radio community snobbery exists among all different types of factions of the hobby. QRP users sneer at those who run full legal power. Kenwood owners stick their
noses up at Yaeseu owners and the other way around. Those who do morse hate doing SSB, those who use straight keys feel superior to those who
use paddles and so on and so on. Everyone has to have a reason to make themselves feel superior, I guess.

Yep... And our radios are TYT - both the HT's and the mobile units. One
of the departments my wife works on for volunteer fire recommended them
as a more cost efficient radio instead of a Motorola, so we bought the
HT's. A few years later I got interested in HAM, so we both got our tickets, and I bought TYT-7800's for both pickups. People assume they are junk
because they are "Japanese knock offs of Yaeseu" but really what they are
are great radios for the money and which I have NO problems out of at all!

Yeah the Hi-Point warranty is lifetime no questions asked. I caused
some damage to one of mine (awkward balance caused the gun to drop off
a shelf, broke the rear sight) and the company sent parts with just an email request. No receipt copies, no RMA numbers, no sending the broken part back first. I emailed them asking how much a rear sight would
cost, they emailed back saying give us your mailing address and we'll
send the replacement out today. Which they did. Can't get any better customer service than that!

That's cool!




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Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: Gamgee to Moondog on Thu May 28 2020 09:41 pm

Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-

Fulton Armory and Inland Manufacturing build new production M1 carbines

Well, they might build *clones* of an M1... Not the same thing.

According to the blueprints it's an M1. If you want to get real
choosy on what an M1 is, there's a buttload of Iver Johson "paratrooper" carbines made during the late 1950's people believe
are authentic. The anomaly in this market is the Karh Arms /Auto Ordnance Thompsons. Auto Ordnance made so many spare parts
during WWII, new rifles are made of mostly "new old stock" parts
left over from WWII.

In this particular case, I am indeed "real choosy". To me such
things are not authentic M1s (or carbines). You said it yourself
right there - "mostly" new old stock parts. "Mostly" is not good
enough here (for me at least). :-)

... At the end of the day, it gets dark.

In the case of Thompsons, they were produced as open bolt full auto's. A new federally compliant reciever and trigger group are required. Plus parts made of better materials wear better.

A couple of years ago I saw an article in American Rifleman that pissed off se veral "vintage" collectors. Several collectors brag about their WWII era
guns will all matching serial numbers on all the parts. It turns out very
few from the European theatre may be true "all stock" firearms. Right after the war the US gov't cut a deal with FN Herstal to "arsenal refinish" nearly every firearm either staying or coming home from Europe. The workers at FN tore down everything down to the spring and pin level, sorted out all the
worn and broken bits, then reassembled and hand-fitted random parts into good rifles and pistols. Parts which required serial numbers had new numbers etched to match, and FN didn't place any of their own proof marks that indicated an arsenal rebuild.

Having an "all original" firearm that seen action isn't realistic. Pins go
bad or fall out, springs get worn, barrels get shot out, and receivers and stocks sometimes crack.

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ryan wrote to Gamgee <=-

In this particular case, I am indeed "real choosy". To me such
things are not authentic M1s (or carbines). You said it yourself
right there - "mostly" new old stock parts. "Mostly" is not good
enough here (for me at least). :-)

In spite of any differences you and I have had in the past...I
guess we have one thing in common. I want an M1 badly. I served
in the 82nd Airborne Division and really engrossed myself with
the unit's history, and even walked some of the 82nd's WW2
battlefields in Europe.

Yes.... the M1 is legendary. I have one that I got from the CMP,
it's not an "original" from WW2, but as close as I could get (for
now). It is from that era, although with a new barrel. The
stock and receiver/action are original (Harrington and
Richardson). Also have an orignal bayonet for it. I have fired
it quite a bit, mostly using surplus Greek ammo (HXP) that the CMP
sells. It's a real joy to shoot.

Lot of history there in the 82nd, and very cool that you got to
walk some of those battlefields. Thanks for your service. I'm
retired Navy myself, and had a pretty fair amount of firearm usage
while I was in.

I'll assume you've watched the mini-series "Band of Brothers"...
which of course is about the 101st, but pretty close to what the
82nd did/does. If you haven't seen it you need to binge watch it
this weekend. Fantastic.

Here's a kind of bizarre story, not really related, but I suspect
folks here may appreciate it. We did a raid in east Baghdad in
2007 and recovered a 1911 with a colt stamp in the side and a
serial number. We traced the serial number back to a lieutenant
who was killed in action I think in Italy or North Africa or
something in WW2. It's now in the 82nd's museum.

Now that's cool.

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Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to MOONDOG on Fri May 29 2020 02:01 am

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In any hobby there will be some snobbery regards to brand recognition, however some brands or specific models earn their reputation, good or bad.

Materials and treatment processes determine cost as well as manufacturing techniques. Quality control and manufacturing tolerances also affect price.

Agreed! In another post, I mentioned doing a polishing of the internal
parts on my M&P Shield. I don't think it's BAD that I need to do this, because if S&W did it themselves on every gun... Well, I wouldn't have
been able to get it for what I paid for it. :-)

I was watching an interview with the owner of Cimmaron Arms, and his company m akes replicas of Old West era revolvers. If you were a SASS competition shooter, you'd want a replica over a real Colt Single Action Army because of the modern materials and construction methods.
A vintage SAA's lifespan may have been 500 rounds before requiring parts service, while 500 rounds is a couple weeks' practice for a modern replica.

LOL - yeah, I can see that. :-)

... I have a mind like a steel... uh... thingy.

My Performance Center M&P C.O.R.E. shoots fine out of the box.

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Yes.... the M1 is legendary. I have one that I got from the CMP,
it's not an "original" from WW2, but as close as I could get (for
now). It is from that era, although with a new barrel. The
stock and receiver/action are original (Harrington and
Richardson). Also have an orignal bayonet for it. I have fired
it quite a bit, mostly using surplus Greek ammo (HXP) that the CMP
sells. It's a real joy to shoot.

I bet. I'm jealous. My girlfriend is terrified of guns after some bad experiences growing up, so I keep my weapon out of site and maintain it when she's not around, for home defense. I doubt I'll ever need it but I feel more comfortable with it around.

I'd be inclined to get an M1 to actually shoot, so an all original may not be ideal. Those belong in museums, probably. I think a remanufactured M1 that functions well that I can take out in the desert or mountains and shoot beer cans sounds like a blast.

Lot of history there in the 82nd, and very cool that you got to
walk some of those battlefields. Thanks for your service. I'm
retired Navy myself, and had a pretty fair amount of firearm usage
while I was in.

Thanks, likewise.

I'll assume you've watched the mini-series "Band of Brothers"...
which of course is about the 101st, but pretty close to what the
82nd did/does. If you haven't seen it you need to binge watch it
this weekend. Fantastic.

Oh, dude, I watch that series at least once a year :P I've been to the site
of the battle of Brecourt Manor, from the second episode. It's just some
little rinky dink farm. Crazy.

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Here's a kind of bizarre story, not really related, but I suspect folks here may appreciate it. We did a raid in east Baghdad in 2007 and recovered a 1911 with a colt stamp in the side and a serial number. We traced the serial number back to a lieutenant who was killed in action
I think in Italy or North Africa or something in WW2. It's now in the 82nd's museum.

Yes! Cool story!



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MOONDOG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

Agreed! In another post, I mentioned doing a polishing of the internal
parts on my M&P Shield. I don't think it's BAD that I need to do this, because if S&W did it themselves on every gun... Well, I wouldn't have
been able to get it for what I paid for it. :-)

My Performance Center M&P C.O.R.E. shoots fine out of the box.

Oh mine shoots PERFECTLY fine! No problems at all, I just want to learn
more about it and for less than $40 with shipping I'll be able to hand
polish the internals and 'do a trigger job' too. I figure it can't hurt,
and will be fun to do.

Didn't mean to make it sound like it NEEDS it - not at all! :-)




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Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to MOONDOG on Mon Jun 01 2020 12:34 pm

MOONDOG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

Agreed! In another post, I mentioned doing a polishing of the internal parts on my M&P Shield. I don't think it's BAD that I need to do this, because if S&W did it themselves on every gun... Well, I wouldn't have been able to get it for what I paid for it. :-)

My Performance Center M&P C.O.R.E. shoots fine out of the box.

Oh mine shoots PERFECTLY fine! No problems at all, I just want to learn
more about it and for less than $40 with shipping I'll be able to hand polish the internals and 'do a trigger job' too. I figure it can't hurt,
and will be fun to do.

Didn't mean to make it sound like it NEEDS it - not at all! :-)

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Improvement is a personal preference. Several years ago at an NRAAM I got to speak with the president of Apex triggers, and try out a bunch of varous trigger kits ranign from improved defensive carry to match grade triggers. Some were so new they had no model number, and had been pulled from the CNC machine and placed in his personal carry pistols the night before they went
to the convention. I'd recommend their triggers to anyone with an S&W.

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Moondog wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

Improvement is a personal preference. Several years ago at an
NRAAM I got to speak with the president of Apex triggers, and try
out a bunch of varous trigger kits ranign from improved defensive
carry to match grade triggers. Some were so new they had no model
number, and had been pulled from the CNC machine and placed in
his personal carry pistols the night before they went to the
convention. I'd recommend their triggers to anyone with an S&W.

I'll second the nod to Apex. Have one in my carry Shield, and
it's a HUGE improvement over the stock trigger. Did it myself,
quite an easy process.



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MOONDOG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

Didn't mean to make it sound like it NEEDS it - not at all! :-)

Improvement is a personal preference. Several years ago at an NRAAM I
got to speak with the president of Apex triggers, and try out a bunch
of varous trigger kits ranign from improved defensive carry to match
grade triggers. Some were so new they had no model number, and had been pulled from the CNC machine and placed in his personal carry pistols
the night before they went to the convention. I'd recommend their triggers to anyone with an S&W.

Interesting! Will add that to the 'to read about' list!

Thx!




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GAMGEE wrote to MOONDOG <=-

I'll second the nod to Apex. Have one in my carry Shield, and
it's a HUGE improvement over the stock trigger. Did it myself,
quite an easy process.

Awesome - thx for the input!




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Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: Moondog to Zombie Mambo on Mon May 11 2020 03:14 pm

Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: Zombie Mambo to Weatherman on Sun May 10 2020 03:46 pm

You are correct that I do not own a hi point.
However my brother does.
It's junk.
Price alone usually is a great indicator on what you're buying.

I'd carry it as backup if i was hunting, maybe as a finisher.

I would not trust my life with it as my choice for CCW.

But like ANY firearm, I'd rather have one that not have anything.

Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

I think it's a natural response to assume inexpensive means junk, however there's only so much workmanship and material quality put into inexpensive firearms. I'd consider a Hi-Point to be a fun shooter, however I doubt I'd shot a match or depend on one for concealed carry.

Yes, agreed. However I think there are some well made cheapos out there. Kel-Tec for example seems to be affordable, and reliable.

At least my experience with them has been.

In other news, Saturday I got to hold and inspect a WWI Army Issued Colt .45 . It was my Great Uncle's Father (my great grandpa). It was issued to him and he carried it in WWI. I believe they were in service between 1898 and 1940 probably when new style was issued for WWII. Anyways, it is in EXCELLENT condition, heavy as hell, and big. I can't imagine carrying it.

He also had a LLama Arms .380 Micromax, which is a replica of a 1911 model pistol. I was amazed at how well built and comfortable this spanish firearm is. They went belly up in 2000 but still fetch 300+ used.

I love coming across new things and unexpected charms in the firearms world.


Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

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Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to ZOMBIE MAMBO on Sun May 17 2020 03:39 am

And speaking of cheap guns, any thougts from ya'll on SCCY? I've seen them in the stores and dismissed them as 'cheap' guns, but I've heard advertiseme on podcasts where they talk about the lifetime warrenty - that DOES transfer to anyone else that owns it!

Not that I'm planning to trade my S&W M&P Shield .40 in on one, but it
got me to thinking maybe I've been dismissing them too easily...

I have to admit tho I like the cheap guns AND the nice ones.

I haven't had any experience with SCCY so couldn't comment on that.
Regarding the high point, my brother says it shoots fine. Which to me doesn't carry much weight. :)

I am guessing like my old Lorcin .380 ($89 new) it probably is mechanically sound, a bit heavy, not very asthetic, and gets the job done which is all you really want in something like that.

Basically the cobra .380 i have is in the same category, same price range.
I debated over the 9mm S&W Shield, and the 9mm Nano for my first CCW arm.
I opted for the Ruger LC9 because it was handgun of the year like two years earlier, and i liked its specs. I have a red dot on it, and got the camo NRA edition. It's nice. But honestly i like to carry my Glock .42 (.380) better.


Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

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Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: Zombie Mambo to Moondog on Tue Jun 16 2020 06:57 pm

He also had a LLama Arms .380 Micromax, which is a replica of a 1911 model pistol.
was amazed at how well built and comfortable this spanish firearm is. They went bel
up in 2000 but still fetch 300+ used.

I have a Llama .38. I got it for 200 EUR and it is quite of a great thing for the
price. It even has the security bar for preventing the gun from going off if dropped,
but no safety, and the way the drum is mounted does not inspire much confidence.

The guy that sold it to me told me: "you are not going to score great points in the
shooting range, but this thing is guaranteed aganist rustlers." gopher://gopher.operationalsecurity.es

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Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: Zombie Mambo to Moondog on Tue Jun 16 2020 06:57 pm

Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: Moondog to Zombie Mambo on Mon May 11 2020 03:14 pm

Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: Zombie Mambo to Weatherman on Sun May 10 2020 03:46 pm

You are correct that I do not own a hi point.
However my brother does.
It's junk.
Price alone usually is a great indicator on what you're buying.

I'd carry it as backup if i was hunting, maybe as a finisher.

I would not trust my life with it as my choice for CCW.

But like ANY firearm, I'd rather have one that not have anything.

Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

I think it's a natural response to assume inexpensive means junk, however there's only so much workmanship and material quality put into inexpensiv firearms. I'd consider a Hi-Point to be a fun shooter, however I doubt I shot a match or depend on one for concealed carry.

Yes, agreed. However I think there are some well made cheapos out there. Kel-Tec for example seems to be affordable, and reliable.

At least my experience with them has been.

In other news, Saturday I got to hold and inspect a WWI Army Issued Colt .45 It was my Great Uncle's Father (my great grandpa). It was issued to him and carried it in WWI. I believe they were in service between 1898 and 1940 probably when new style was issued for WWII. Anyways, it is in EXCELLENT condition, heavy as hell, and big. I can't imagine carrying it.

He also had a LLama Arms .380 Micromax, which is a replica of a 1911 model pistol. I was amazed at how well built and comfortable this spanish firearm They went belly up in 2000 but still fetch 300+ used.

I love coming across new things and unexpected charms in the firearms world.

Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

Wow. Llama is a name I haven't heard in awhile. I recall seeing them in magazines back in the 1980's and 90's

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Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: Zombie Mambo to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tue Jun 16 2020 07:02 pm

Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to ZOMBIE MAMBO on Sun May 17 2020 03:39 am

And speaking of cheap guns, any thougts from ya'll on SCCY? I've seen the in the stores and dismissed them as 'cheap' guns, but I've heard advertis on podcasts where they talk about the lifetime warrenty - that DOES trans to anyone else that owns it!

Not that I'm planning to trade my S&W M&P Shield .40 in on one, but it got me to thinking maybe I've been dismissing them too easily...

I have to admit tho I like the cheap guns AND the nice ones.

I haven't had any experience with SCCY so couldn't comment on that. Regarding the high point, my brother says it shoots fine. Which to me doesn' carry much weight. :)

I am guessing like my old Lorcin .380 ($89 new) it probably is mechanically sound, a bit heavy, not very asthetic, and gets the job done which is all yo really want in something like that.

Basically the cobra .380 i have is in the same category, same price range.
I debated over the 9mm S&W Shield, and the 9mm Nano for my first CCW arm.
I opted for the Ruger LC9 because it was handgun of the year like two years earlier, and i liked its specs. I have a red dot on it, and got the camo NRA edition. It's nice. But honestly i like to carry my Glock .42 (.380) better.

Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

The Nano is very bare bones in design. What freaked me out was it didn't have
a lever to lock the slide back. SCCY's have a good warranty and customer service. I think I mentioned before where a friend took his with him to Florida, and was passing by their company HQ. While they worked on his
pistol, he got a tour of the plant.


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Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: Arelor to Zombie Mambo on Wed Jun 17 2020 08:41 am

I have a Llama .38. I got it for 200 EUR and it is quite of a great thing fo price. It even has the security bar for preventing the gun from going off if but no safety, and the way the drum is mounted does not inspire much confide

The guy that sold it to me told me: "you are not going to score great points shooting range, but this thing is guaranteed aganist rustlers."

The .380 which is a replica of the 1911 is really nice. I couldn't speak for your .38 but i would vouch for the micromax .380 any day. To me, it is akin to the quality of a Kel-Tec. Economy priced, but with quality.


Thanks,
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Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: Moondog to Zombie Mambo on Wed Jun 17 2020 12:24 pm

The Nano is very bare bones in design. What freaked me out was it didn't hav a lever to lock the slide back. SCCY's have a good warranty and customer service. I think I mentioned before where a friend took his with him to Florida, and was passing by their company HQ. While they worked on his pistol, he got a tour of the plant.

I don't recall that, but that is cool they gave him a tour.
I will tell you, if you're not a conceal carry purist (0 safeties) and want some common sense saftey, its hard to beat the ruger lc9.

Look it up, its a great 1st time conceal weapon with safety features that make the weary confident.


Thanks,
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Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: Zombie Mambo to Moondog on Wed Jun 17 2020 08:54 pm

Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: Moondog to Zombie Mambo on Wed Jun 17 2020 12:24 pm

The Nano is very bare bones in design. What freaked me out was it didn't a lever to lock the slide back. SCCY's have a good warranty and customer service. I think I mentioned before where a friend took his with him to Florida, and was passing by their company HQ. While they worked on his pistol, he got a tour of the plant.

I don't recall that, but that is cool they gave him a tour.
I will tell you, if you're not a conceal carry purist (0 safeties) and want some common sense saftey, its hard to beat the ruger lc9.

Look it up, its a great 1st time conceal weapon with safety features that ma the weary confident.

Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

A buddy has an lc9. Nice pistol. If you ever have a chance to handle one,
the HK P7 is a cool pistol. It's an older model from the 70's and 80's, but
it has a grip cocking safety on the front of the grip instead of the back of the grip. Bad thing about handling a gun like it is you'd want to buy one. I 've seen them run as high as $3600usd for certain models. I know a police oficer who has several in his collection, and he bought them years ago when
the market for them wasn't so salty.

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Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: Moondog to Zombie Mambo on Sun Jun 21 2020 11:11 am

Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: Zombie Mambo to Moondog on Wed Jun 17 2020 08:54 pm

Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: Moondog to Zombie Mambo on Wed Jun 17 2020 12:24 pm

The Nano is very bare bones in design. What freaked me out was it didn a lever to lock the slide back. SCCY's have a good warranty and custo service. I think I mentioned before where a friend took his with him Florida, and was passing by their company HQ. While they worked on hi pistol, he got a tour of the plant.

I don't recall that, but that is cool they gave him a tour.
I will tell you, if you're not a conceal carry purist (0 safeties) and wa some common sense saftey, its hard to beat the ruger lc9.

Look it up, its a great 1st time conceal weapon with safety features that the weary confident.

Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

A buddy has an lc9. Nice pistol. If you ever have a chance to handle one, the HK P7 is a cool pistol. It's an older model from the 70's and 80's, but it has a grip cocking safety on the front of the grip instead of the back of the grip. Bad thing about handling a gun like it is you'd want to buy one. 've seen them run as high as $3600usd for certain models. I know a police oficer who has several in his collection, and he bought them years ago when the market for them wasn't so salty.

Never handled an HK of any style. My buddy had an HK assault rifle, I can't remember the model. Very lightweight. It was cool but he "downsized" to a 357 magnum.


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And speaking of cheap guns, any thougts from ya'll on SCCY? I've seen
them in the stores and dismissed them as 'cheap' guns, but I've heard advertisements on podcasts where they talk about the lifetime warrenty - that DOES transfer to anyone else that owns it!

My wife carries an SCCY 9mm in pink. It is a great little purse gun for what it is. For the price it shoots really well and gets the job done. I would never consider it a replacement for my other firearms, but it is perfect
for my wife. If someone were looking for a good occasional use 9mm, I highly recommend it as a great secondary weapon.

Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: Mrplow to JIMMY ANDERSON on Fri Sep 04 2020 11:29 pm

And speaking of cheap guns, any thougts from ya'll on SCCY? I've seen them in the stores and dismissed them as 'cheap' guns, but I've heard advertisements on podcasts where they talk about the lifetime warrenty that DOES transfer to anyone else that owns it!

My wife carries an SCCY 9mm in pink. It is a great little purse gun for wha it is. For the price it shoots really well and gets the job done. I would never consider it a replacement for my other firearms, but it is perfect
for my wife. If someone were looking for a good occasional use 9mm, I highl recommend it as a great secondary weapon.

When you get used to shooting budget or inexpensive handguns, the worst thing you can do is fire a high end handgun. there's a night and day difference
with some guns. The other day someone let me try out their steel framed Walth er Q5 Match with a Trijicon SRO mounted on it, and I also shot a S&W Performance Center (full sized frame) in 9mm. I actually shot better, and
that may be because of the trigger and sites, and overall smoothness and ergonomics. The SRO by itself was more than I like to spend on a handgun,
but I would like one now.

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MRPLOW wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

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And speaking of cheap guns, any thougts from ya'll on SCCY? I've seen
them in the stores and dismissed them as 'cheap' guns, but I've heard advertisements on podcasts where they talk about the lifetime warrenty - that DOES transfer to anyone else that owns it!

My wife carries an SCCY 9mm in pink. It is a great little purse gun
for what it is. For the price it shoots really well and gets the job done. I would never consider it a replacement for my other firearms,
but it is perfect for my wife. If someone were looking for a good occasional use 9mm, I highly recommend it as a great secondary weapon.

Well with COVID guns are scarce, but I wouldn't mind picking one up
to have as an 'extra' (can you really have too many guns? :) ) - plus they
are making them in a .380 now I understand...




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MOONDOG wrote to MRPLOW <=-

When you get used to shooting budget or inexpensive handguns, the worst thing you can do is fire a high end handgun. there's a night and day difference with some guns. The other day someone let me try out their steel framed Walth er Q5 Match with a Trijicon SRO mounted on it, and I also shot a S&W Performance Center (full sized frame) in 9mm. I
actually shot better, and that may be because of the trigger and sites, and overall smoothness and ergonomics. The SRO by itself was more than
I like to spend on a handgun, but I would like one now.

It's the same with a lot of stuff... Guitars, for example... There is a definate difference in 'feel' of a cheapie vs a high end! But, that being
said, someone who doesn't know the difference will not feel any difference,
but the 'more better' you get the easier it will be to experience it!

As for the Performance Center, my wife has a 9mm and a .380 S&W EZ and loves them! She's not as strong as she used to be and enjoys the 'easy to rack'
part. I've been looking at the PC version of the 9 EZ and thought about surprising her with one...

We both have .40 Shields and I bought the MCARBO trigger kits for them -
WOW! Smooth as butter now! If the PC ones are even better? Look out! LOL



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Re: Re: .22 SAA
By: JIMMY ANDERSON to MRPLOW on Wed Sep 09 2020 10:21 am

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And speaking of cheap guns, any thougts from ya'll on SCCY? I've seen them in the stores and dismissed them as 'cheap' guns, but I've heard advertisements on podcasts where they talk about the lifetime warrenty that DOES transfer to anyone else that owns it!

My wife carries an SCCY 9mm in pink. It is a great little purse gun for what it is. For the price it shoots really well and gets the job done. I would never consider it a replacement for my other firearms, but it is perfect for my wife. If someone were looking for a good occasional use 9mm, I highly recommend it as a great secondary weapon.

Well with COVID guns are scarce, but I wouldn't mind picking one up
to have as an 'extra' (can you really have too many guns? :) ) - plus they are making them in a .380 now I understand...

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.380 and 9mm are scarce in my area, and pricey if you do find any.

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