Re: Windows update.
By: Ogg to Melkor on Tue Apr 13 2021 04:58 pm

Can't you rollback to Win7? You'll probably get much better
performance. 1.5GB free wouldn't even bode well under Win7.

I dont think so. It came with win 10 pre installed.

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Re: Windows update.
By: Melkor to Digital Man on Tue Apr 13 2021 01:13 pm

Re: Windows update.
By: Digital Man to Melkor on Mon Apr 12 2021 08:52 pm

1.5 gigs of free space sounds suspiciously low to me. I'd to get that free space up to a least 10GB before attempting an update of Windows. -- digital man

That would be nice but its a cheap HP Stream laptop that only has 32GB of eMMC storage.

can you crack it open and change it?
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it would be good if you could use a usb flashdrive to install windows. maybe some day we can do that?

I do it all the time. Microsoft had a media creation site where you can download an image for CD or USB. License sold separately.



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Can't you rollback to Win7? You'll probably get much better performance. 1.5GB free wouldn't even bode well under Win7.

Even if you could, that would be a bad idea. Windows 7 is no longer receiving security updates unless you've purchased Extended Security Updates from Microsoft.

Lachlan

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On 13 Apr 2021, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

it would be good if you could use a usb flashdrive to install windows maybe some day we can do that?

I do it all the time. Microsoft had a media creation site where you can download an image for CD or USB. License sold separately.

missed the sarcasm ? ;)

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Hello Melkor!

** On Wednesday 14.04.21 - 02:51, Melkor wrote to Ogg:

Can't you rollback to Win7? You'll probably get much
better performance. 1.5GB free wouldn't even bode well
under Win7.

I dont think so. It came with win 10 pre installed.

I've read a few reviews about those special win 10 ssd-equipped
laptops. Most of them were aligned with the idea that they were
not good for productive things - not ram upgradeable either.

Can you try a live linux distro to see if the hardware is
suitable?

Meanwhile, look for some large files that are nolonger needed on
the laptop, and free up much more space. 1.5GB free is very
likely a contributor to poor performance.

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Hello lynx769!

** On Wednesday 14.04.21 - 13:53, lynx769 wrote to Ogg:

Can't you rollback to Win7? You'll probably get much
better performance. 1.5GB free wouldn't even bode well
under Win7.

Even if you could, that would be a bad idea. Windows 7 is no
longer receiving security updates unless you've purchased
Extended Security Updates from Microsoft.

Depends on how one would use Win7. I have Win7 Pro on three
pcs. No problems whatsoever. I just use the MS Security
Essentials on them. Infact, I was still getting rollup reminders
up until a few months ago. My "recent" Thinkpad T540p that I
acquired in Dec 2019 is waiting for me to acknowledge a few
rollups.

Maybe even a linux distro would be good for the Melkor's pc.

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Re: Re: Windows update.
By: fusion to Melkor on Tue Apr 13 2021 01:11 pm

unfortunately newer windows 10 versions seem to require 32gb just baseline. they even list separate criteria for earlier windows 10 versions..

So much bloat. I remember when 1GB seemed huge..

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Windows update.
By: Nightfox to fusion on Wed Apr 14 2021 09:06 pm

Re: Re: Windows update.
By: fusion to Melkor on Tue Apr 13 2021 01:11 pm

unfortunately newer windows 10 versions seem to require 32gb just baseline. they even list separate criteria for earlier windows 10 versions..

So much bloat. I remember when 1GB seemed huge..

I paid $1500 for my for first "large" hard disk in the early '90s:
a 330MB 5.25" full-height Siemens ST506 drive. That was a massive upgrade over my collection of 20-80MB drives at the time and helped to make Vertrauen a popular BBS for image upload/download around that time.

Then in the mid '90s, an upgrade to 1.2GB drive (another $1300), and I thought I'd never need another hard disk again. :-)
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Depends on how one would use Win7. I have Win7 Pro on three
pcs. No problems whatsoever. I just use the MS Security
Essentials on them. Infact, I was still getting rollup reminders

MS Security Essentials does not patch vulnerabilities found in Windows
itself. Even MSE is on life support. It's no longer available for Windows XP and virus definitions will no longer be updated after 2023 even for Win7.

The fact is, that unless you are enrolled in ESU, all Win 7 machines are vulnerable. I get it, there are lots of reasons to use old software, but there risks to doing that and it shouldn't be minimized.

Lachlan

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Hello lynx769!

** On Thursday 15.04.21 - 12:58, lynx769 wrote to Ogg:

MS Security Essentials does not patch vulnerabilities found
in Windows itself. Even MSE is on life support. It's no
longer available for Windows XP and virus definitions will
no longer be updated after 2023 even for Win7.

I'm not excited about MSE entirely, but it's better than
nothing. It was a fine performer on XP until it was finally
depricated and ceased to function as expected. But a combination
of SpybotS&D, Malwarebyes and SpywareBlaster seems to be good
enough. I'll entertain a scan once in a while, and nothing has
emerged to be a concern.

As long as I don't capitulate to phishing emails, and as long as
I stick with trusted websites, there is no reason for me to be
afraid to use XP or Win7.

I would imagine that the phishing emails I get hope to catch
someone who is vulnerable to an unpatched exploit.

The fact is, that unless you are enrolled in ESU, all Win 7
machines are vulnerable. I get it, there are lots of reasons
to use old software, but there risks to doing that and it
shouldn't be minimized.

I wouldn't try to pass a Win7 pc to someone new to the pc scene.
But for myself, I think that I am OK with the Win7 and XP system
just fine.


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Re: Windows update.
By: Ogg to lynx769 on Thu Apr 15 2021 05:01 pm

As long as I don't capitulate to phishing emails, and as long as
I stick with trusted websites, there is no reason for me to be
afraid to use XP or Win7.

Then you visit a website that is posting content from an advertisement network that got compromised, get a malware-infected piece of advertisement, and then your machine belongs to some Russian blackhat mafia.

Yet another reason to hate advertisement networks.

There are reasons to stick to old operating systems, but you have to be extra careful. I have a Win 7 virtual machine which I run behind a filtering proxy in order to minimize vuln impacts, for example.

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Re: Re: Windows update.
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Thu Apr 15 2021 09:15 am

I paid $1500 for my for first "large" hard disk in the early '90s:
a 330MB 5.25" full-height Siemens ST506 drive. That was a massive upgrade over my collection of 20-80MB drives at the time and helped to make Vertrauen a popular BBS for image upload/download around that time.

Then in the mid '90s, an upgrade to 1.2GB drive (another $1300), and I thought I'd never need another hard disk again. :-)

:) My first PC was a hand-me-down PC with a 10MB full-height hard drive. For a little while, I used Stacker (and later, MS-DOS's DoubleSpace) to try to get a little extra space out of it.

Nightfox

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Hello Arelor!

** On Friday 16.04.21 - 02:53, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

Then you visit a website that is posting content from an
advertisement network that got compromised, get a malware-
infected piece of advertisement, and then your machine
belongs to some Russian blackhat mafia.

I have script-killers and ad-blockers on the pcs. If I end up
on a site that insists that I unblock the adblocker, I go
somewhere else for the same info, or.. I try frogfind.

There are reasons to stick to old operating systems, but you
have to be extra careful. I have a Win 7 virtual machine
which I run behind a filtering proxy in order to minimize
vuln impacts, for example.

Most of time I stick to the sites that I already know. I rarely
need to seek new sites.

gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken

Your domain is still timing out from here.


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Re: Windows update.
By: Ogg to Arelor on Fri Apr 16 2021 09:11 am

Your domain is still timing out from here.

That is because the server is hardware-dead and I am still waiting for replacement parts.

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Re: Re: Windows update.
By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Tue Apr 13 2021 06:28 am

MRO wrote to Melkor <=-

it would be good if you could use a usb flashdrive to install windows. maybe some day we can do that?

I do it all the time. Microsoft had a media creation site where you can download an image for CD or USB. License sold separately.

i was being sarcastic
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Re: Re: Windows update.
By: lynx769 to Ogg on Wed Apr 14 2021 01:53 pm

Can't you rollback to Win7? You'll probably get much better performance. 1.5GB free wouldn't even bode well under Win7.

Even if you could, that would be a bad idea. Windows 7 is no longer receiving security updates unless you've purchased Extended Security Updates from Microsoft.

i have 3 win7 computers and they are getting updates and they fuck up every once in a while and i have to figure out whats wrong with the update.
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Re: Re: Windows update.
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Thu Apr 15 2021 09:15 am

I paid $1500 for my for first "large" hard disk in the early '90s:
a 330MB 5.25" full-height Siemens ST506 drive. That was a massive upgrade over my collection of 20-80MB drives at the time and helped to make Vertrauen a popular BBS for image upload/download around that time.

i'm sure it was literally large and weighed quite a bit too.
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Nightfox wrote to Digital Man <=-

:) My first PC was a hand-me-down PC with a 10MB full-height hard
drive. For a little while, I used Stacker (and later, MS-DOS's DoubleSpace) to try to get a little extra space out of it.

My co-sysop at the time worked at Addstor, makers of Superstor - another
disk compression client. They had a business relationship with Digital Research, so he was able to get copies of DR-DOS with Superstor.

Then, Microsoft made Windows not run on DR-DOS, and it sort of faded away.

Those were fun times, though - DR-DOS with all of its add-ons, Geoworks, LANTastic and OS/2 were my home network back then.


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Re: Re: Windows update.
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sat Apr 17 2021 09:35 am

My co-sysop at the time worked at Addstor, makers of Superstor - another disk compression client. They had a business relationship with Digital Research, so he was able to get copies of DR-DOS with Superstor.

Then, Microsoft made Windows not run on DR-DOS, and it sort of faded away.

Those were fun times, though - DR-DOS with all of its add-ons, Geoworks, LANTastic and OS/2 were my home network back then.

Yeah, those were fun times. I didn't have much chance to mess with DR-DOS at the time and didn't know much about it. I thought it was pretty cool when MS-DOS 5 came out and had its new features, such as the ability to configure a boot menu in CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT with different configuration options for different scenarios. I think I read that was originally a feature in DR-DOS?

I never really had a chance to play with Geoworks either.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Windows update.
By: MRO to Digital Man on Sat Apr 17 2021 08:30 am

Re: Re: Windows update.
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Thu Apr 15 2021 09:15 am

I paid $1500 for my for first "large" hard disk in the early '90s:
a 330MB 5.25" full-height Siemens ST506 drive. That was a massive upgrade over my collection of 20-80MB drives at the time and helped to make Vertrauen a popular BBS for image upload/download around that time.

i'm sure it was literally large and weighed quite a bit too.

Yup. Full-height 5.25" drives are beasts. I had 60MB and 80MB full-heights before the 330MB drive, but the 330MB with its more platters was definitely heavier than those. I was so proud/happy with that purchase for the BBS. It was probably 1989 now I think I really think about it. <shrug>
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Hello MRO!

** On Saturday 17.04.21 - 08:29, MRO wrote to lynx769:

Even if you could, that would be a bad idea. Windows 7 is no longer
receiving security updates unless you've purchased Extended Security
Updates from Microsoft.

i have 3 win7 computers and they are getting updates and
they fuck up every once in a while and i have to figure out
whats wrong with the update. -+-

It' happening on my newest laptop, a T540p Thinkpad:

KB4535102 failed 2020-01 Security and Qual Rollup for .NET
KB4524752 failed 2019-10 Update for Win7 x64
KB4516065 failed 2019-09 Monthly Qual Rollup


I suppose these things can be downloaded individually outside
the WUA system, and installed manually?


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Re: Windows update.
By: Ogg to MRO on Sat Apr 17 2021 05:45 pm

I suppose these things can be downloaded individually outside
the WUA system, and installed manually?

yeah you can do that.
there's a few ways to deal with it.

i posted before how to kill the service, delete the cache and then you try to update again. sometimes that works. sometimes MS fixes the update process.
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Re: Re: Windows update.
By: lynx769 to Ogg on Wed Apr 14 2021 01:53 pm

Even if you could, that would be a bad idea. Windows 7 is no longer receiving security updates unless you've purchased Extended Security Updates from Microsoft.

Lachlan

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