Hi All,

I have the following .RUL files, migrated from Echobase 3.48:


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02/28/2017 05:00 AM 3,650 ARTWARE.RUL
06/26/2016 11:28 AM 3,372 BINKLEY.RUL
03/10/2014 09:02 PM 2,661 CBM.RUL
06/26/2016 11:28 AM 3,835 CFORSALE.RUL
02/28/2017 05:00 AM 3,025 COMM.RUL
05/16/2014 10:45 PM 3,226 COOKING.RUL
12/20/2012 09:15 AM 2,293 ECHOMODS.RUL
01/01/2013 11:15 AM 6,125 EMERGCOM.RUL
02/28/2017 05:00 AM 2,009 ENGLISH_.RUL
12/14/2012 10:15 PM 4,146 GUITAR.RUL
06/26/2016 11:28 AM 2,475 LIVEAUD.RUL
03/26/2017 11:18 PM 1,191 LS_ARRL.RUL
07/24/2016 01:46 PM 1,679 NESYSOP.RUL
06/26/2016 11:28 AM 4,404 POINTS.RUL
02/28/2017 05:00 AM 1,344 SURVIVOR.RUL
12/28/2012 12:15 PM 1,995 SWL.RUL
12/16/2012 09:54 PM 528 TUB.RUL
06/26/2016 11:28 AM 2,414 VATICAN.RUL
02/02/2014 09:15 PM 6,449 WEATHER.RUL
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On 2017 Mar 29 15:53:22, you wrote to All:

the following can be removed as they were stopped being distributed to the elist years ago when the previous EC was wearing the hat...

12/20/2012 09:15 AM 2,293 ECHOMODS.RUL
01/01/2013 11:15 AM 6,125 EMERGCOM.RUL
12/14/2012 10:15 PM 4,146 GUITAR.RUL
03/26/2017 11:18 PM 1,191 LS_ARRL.RUL
12/28/2012 12:15 PM 1,995 SWL.RUL
12/16/2012 09:54 PM 528 TUB.RUL

i won't mention that LS_ARRL.RUL didn't come from this system with that date on
it... it's last revision, as stored on this system, was back in 2013... the one
for TUB is also really bad as it is 2k in size over here... this is also one reason why the MOD UPDs for these areas have had a empty RUL line in them for the last decade+... with the old system, they would have been flushed after some period of time of not being updated by a MOD RUL...

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ml { over here... this is also one reason why the MOD UPDs for these areas
ml { have had a empty RUL line in them for the last decade+... with the old
ml { system, they would have been flushed after some period of time of not
ml { being updated by a MOD RUL...

My current efforts are to allow .RUL files where needed. I haven't thought out the whole process yet. All I know is with the old Echobase 3.48 the Mod Rul submissions VERY often crashed EB and corrupted the Database beyond repair, so I dropped the little used Rule sub-system from EList v4 entirely at first.

I figured a simpler option for this would suffice, but the new RULE keyword is instead being used to store file names or "None", so I migrated the old Rule files over and added a status check on the report for now.

Where it goes from here is entirely up to the users of the Echolist. Let me know what you'd like to see and I'll come up with something. I'll also have to read up on Mod Rul to see what it did before, besides corrupting the database so often! lol :)


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SEEN-BY: 2320/100 5075/35

Hi Ben,

On 2017-03-29 23:35:53, you wrote to Mark Lewis:

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Where it goes from here is entirely up to the users of the Echolist.
Let me know what you'd like to see and I'll come up with something.
I'll also have to read up on Mod Rul to see what it did before,
besides corrupting the database so often! lol :)

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Where's your origin line?

But to stick to the subject, it would be nice to have the TAG of the area mentioned in the subject of the automated messages.

Bye, Wilfred.

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WV { Hi Ben,
WV { Where's your origin line?

Voila ! {chuckle} noticed that last night, new GoldEd config in place.

WV { But to stick to the subject, it would be nice to have the TAG of the
WV { area mentioned in the subject of the automated messages.

Sadly this is a restriction of Mystic auto posting, but I will revisit the matter and see if I missed something ... :)


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BR { WV { But to stick to the subject, it would be nice to have the TAG of
BR { the WV { area mentioned in the subject of the automated messages.

Ok, all done (TAG shows in Subject). :)


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On 2017 Mar 29 23:35:52, you wrote to me:

ml { over here... this is also one reason why the MOD UPDs for these

areas

ml { have had a empty RUL line in them for the last decade+... with the old ml { system, they would have been flushed after some period of time of not ml { being updated by a MOD RUL...

My current efforts are to allow .RUL files where needed. I haven't thought out the whole process yet. All I know is with the old Echobase 3.48 the

Mod

Rul submissions VERY often crashed EB and corrupted the Database beyond repair, so I dropped the little used Rule sub-system from EList v4

entirely

at first.

the main thing i was pointing out is that those files need to be removed and should have been a long time ago...

i don't know if i'll start sending rule files to the echolist again or not... reading over what you wrote about them in another message, i have numerous concerns but i'm not sure when/if i'll have time to write them down for you... the main thing, though, is security and what happens if someone drops off a file with an existing name that shouldn't be dropped off by them... in other words, someone pretending to be authorized to drop off that particular file... kinda rings of the heyday's packet injection mess...

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ml { the main thing i was pointing out is that those files need to be
ml { removed and should have been a long time ago...

I got that, and a mechanism for pruning the files will be implemented, eventually.

ml { have numerous concerns but i'm not sure when/if i'll have time to
ml { write them down for you... the main thing, though, is security and

The Echolist belongs to FIDONet and is being re-built from the ground up. If constructive feedback is lacking or missing altogether then it'll be what I perceive as best practice, period.

ml { what happens if someone drops off a file with an existing name that
ml { shouldn't be dropped off by them... in other words, someone pretending
ml { to be authorized to drop off that particular file... kinda rings of

If someone spoofs the address of a valid user, there's not much I can do for now. I validate each .RUL submission to a valid user.


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On 2017 Mar 30 23:12:14, you wrote to me:

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ml { the main thing i was pointing out is that those files need to be
ml { removed and should have been a long time ago...

I got that, and a mechanism for pruning the files will be implemented, eventually.

ok... so in the mean time they languish or will they be removed because the moderator asked?

ml { have numerous concerns but i'm not sure when/if i'll have time to
ml { write them down for you... the main thing, though, is security
and

The Echolist belongs to FIDONet

so this is a complete change in the echolist? the echolist never belonged to any network...

and is being re-built from the ground up.

we can see that ;)

If constructive feedback is lacking or missing altogether then it'll
be what I perceive as best practice, period.

i do the same...

ml { what happens if someone drops off a file with an existing name
that ml { shouldn't be dropped off by them... in other words, someone pretending ml { to be authorized to drop off that particular file...
kinda rings of

If someone spoofs the address of a valid user, there's not much I can
do for now. I validate each .RUL submission to a valid user.

ahhh... i must have missed something else, then... i only saw something about sending RUL files but didn't see anything about how they are identified other than the RUL extension on them...

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ml { ok... so in the mean time they languish or will they be removed
ml { because the moderator asked?

Yes and maybe, it's a minor inconvenience for now

The Echolist belongs to FIDONet

ml { so this is a complete change in the echolist? the echolist never
ml { belonged to any network...

I guess so, I am writing it based on existing documentation and input from members of FIDONet. I consider it the FIDONet Echolist ...

ml { ... See what you get for thinking.

{chuckle}


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On 03-30-17 23:12, Ben Ritchey <=-
spoke to Mark Lewis about Re: .RUL files <=-

The Echolist belongs to FIDONet and is being re-built from the ground
up. If constructive feedback is lacking or missing altogether then
it'll be what I perceive as best practice, period.

It used to be that the Echolist was open to all nets and was not just a
fidonet thing. Are you now making that restriction as a new thing?

Dale Shipp
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DS { It used to be that the Echolist was open to all nets and was not just
DS { a fidonet thing. Are you now making that restriction as a new thing?

LOL, I don't recall ever saying that {shrug} per se, BUT the new EList v4 software is being written by a member of FIDONet with feedback from other FIDONet members, so I am terming it the FIDONet Echolist. There are NO private nets in the current echolist though they are more than welcome to participate. FIDONet, to me, encompasses ALL FTN type networks, which includes private nets.

Relax dude, nobody is being excluded that I can see.


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