Hello all,

Can anyone tell me if we can register FD? Thinkiing very seriously about getting my old DOS board running again.




Regards,
Phil
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Hello all,

Can anyone tell me if we can register FD? Thinkiing very seriously about getting my old DOS board running again.

Mail is "really" passed around via dialup mailers anymore. Look at
internet rex for an FD style mailer... or what your use to seeing
anyway...

If you need a hub let me know... I hub things and will pass mail to you
anyway you need it...

BTW %JOHO% has a facebook page and more than likely will respond to
your FD reg inquiry

Joe
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Hello all,

Can anyone tell me if we can register FD? Thinkiing very seriously about getting my old DOS board running again.

www.defsol.se (which redirects to http://www.defsol.com)

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BTW %JOHO% has a facebook page and more than likely will respond to
your FD reg inquiry

He just responded to my email from the defol website (less than 24 hours turn around time).

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Hi Joe,

Thanks for the quick response.

IB JOE wrote to Phil Kimble:

Hello all,

Can anyone tell me if we can register FD? Thinkiing very seriously

about

getting my old DOS board running again.

Mail is "really" passed around via dialup mailers anymore. Look at internet rex for an FD style mailer... or what your use to seeing
anyway...

IS this to mean "rarely"? I can see that. The days of dialup are pretty much over and without a tool such as NetSerial practically non-existant. I am just
a old romantic.

If you need a hub let me know... I hub things and will pass mail to you anyway you need it...

Nope, no hub required but thanks for the offer.

BTW %JOHO% has a facebook page and more than likely will respond to
your FD reg inquiry

I will have to check it out this evening.



Regards,
Phil
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BTW %JOHO% has a facebook page and more than likely will respond to your FD reg inquiry

He just responded to my email from the defol website (less than 24 hours

turn

around time).

If you need a hub let me know... I may, more than likely, will be
passing maile around with FD over the net.

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Take her out to dinner from time to time... make her fell special and
she might do what Ur asking of her.
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IS this to mean "rarely"? I can see that. The days of dialup are pretty much over and without a tool such as NetSerial practically non-existant. I am

just

a old romantic.

I have been playing with net serial over the past few weeks. I like
it... I think... there maybe some issues with PXW mailers but I think
the problem is PXW problem not FDs



TTYL Joe
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If you need a hub let me know... I may, more than likely, will be
passing maile around with FD over the net.

Nope, I'm good. Got tired of FD 2.32's zmodem always screwing up atleast 2 or 3 times a day, so I gave up on NetSerial and FD and switch over to NetFOSS and just loading my software. 17 years of FD running. I still have it here, just doesn't work unless I switch back to a virtual com port software. IREX is the way to go now.

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Is the issue FD & netserial or do the guys running FD2 under OS2 WITH

I haven't run FD under OS/2 in years. I was running it under WinXP since
2003 with NetSerial since 2003. (well, COM/IP for a year or two, until I found out about NetSerial).

Ray Ginn's vertual modem have the same problem

I don't remember having the issue with zmodem transfers in FD under OS/2 (mailer to mailer telnet) ... but then again, that was years ago.

... Millions of sperm and _that_ one got through. Sigh.

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IB JOE wrote to Phil Kimble:

I have been playing with net serial over the past few weeks. I like
it... I think... there maybe some issues with PXW mailers but I think
the problem is PXW problem not FDs

I would typically agree with you. We had some issues getting PXW & MBSE talking
a few months back but eventually we discovered the correct settings on both ends. Nothing more than an hour talking through the changes & discussing the results.

I know Joe Martin mentioned the oddity of connecting PXW & ViaMail-
still the PXW side creating the "non-standard" results. It seems the mailer must be configured to PXW expectations more than anything else.



Regards,
Phil
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Can anyone tell me if we can register FD? Thinkiing very seriously
about getting my old DOS board running again.

i just got to this message... sorry for the delay... i'm in touch with joho and
asking him what the proper answer is... will post the result shortly ;)

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Got tired of FD 2.32's zmodem always screwing up
atleast 2 or 3 times a day, so I gave up on NetSerial and FD and
switch over to NetFOSS and just loading my software. 17 years of
FD running. I still have it here, just doesn't work unless I
switch back to a virtual com port software. IREX is the way to go
now.

i've never had FD's zmodem implementation have or cause problems... i doubt that it was anything specific to FD but more to your serial port driver... i've
not attempted to run FD under any version of windows nor will i... windows just
doesn't make it past my standards for mission critical operations...

why would anyone recommend an abandonware package over something? IREX has its own sets of problems... problems that simply do not exist with FD...

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Ray Ginn's vertual modem have the same problem

I don't remember having the issue with zmodem transfers in FD
under OS/2 (mailer to mailer telnet) ... but then again, that
was years ago.

exactly... i've not found any problems with Ray's SIO/vmodem package... they are still strong and stable and perform reliably...

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why would anyone recommend an abandonware package over something? IREX has own sets of problems... problems that simply do not exist with FD...

I don't run OS/2 any longer so I have to stick to something that works. IREX works fine and probably will so for the near future. Basically, BinkP is where it is at. If FD would have a BinkP tosser(sender) it would be great. And if I could load FD without a COMPORT that would be a big plus as well. But, I don't see any of those things happening soon, if ever. I love FD, and still have it here. But I have no way of using it now since I have nothing installed to emulate a COMPORT.

With Winblows there's not much of a choice.

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why would anyone recommend an abandonware package over something? IREX has

its

own sets of problems... problems that simply do not exist with FD...

mark may I assume you run FD under OS2??

Thanx

Joe
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why would anyone recommend an abandonware package over something?
IREX has its own sets of problems... problems that simply do not
exist with FD...

mark may

who? he is the author of the pascal MSGSRC programming tools... i'm not he but i do maintain a library of those same tools ;)

I assume you run FD under OS2??

yes, i still run FD under OS2 Warp 3 as i always have... why change something that works? ;)

and let's also remember the history... Ray's virtual modem was the first and then others tried to copy it for the windows platform... some were decent... others were really ugly and too much commercial for the average sysop... then pcmicro came along and really helped but by then many things had moved on... mike has always done a very good job at what he does... he was a RemoteAccess beta tester for a long while... i don't recall him being involved with FD, though...

i reiterate that i have never felt comfortable with windows as a mission critical platform... knowing what i know and the history of development of that
platform kept me away... kinda like insider trading on the stock market... i tried to inform others over the years but failed miserably so i sat back and watched them fail in their endeavors with that OS and their goals... even today, there are still many failures but so many fall for the marketing and outright lies... all i can do is sit back, bite my tongue and look at the reinforcement of the "wizard's first rule"... i've never been one to say "i told you so" and i won't do that today... under any circumstances...

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why would anyone recommend an abandonware package over something?
IREX has own sets of problems... problems that simply do not exist
with FD...

I don't run OS/2 any longer so I have to stick to something that
works.

OS/2 still works ;) especially on older equipment... my main server was a 300mhz celeronA which i was able to upgrade to a 400mhz chip on that motherboard... it is still operational and handling everything that comes my way... in fact, it feeds stuff back to my three linux boxen for servicing at times ;)

IREX works fine and probably will so for the near future.

no, not really... try using domain names in IREX and you'll find that it fails quite miserably... instead you have to use IP numbers because the kernel stuff changed such that DNS lookups fail and IPs are required...

Basically, BinkP is where it is at. If FD would have a BinkP tosser(sender) it would be great.

i run a bybrid FD/binkd setup... have done so for years... what i run could likely be streamlined more than i am currently doing, though... it works but requires some scripting majik and a glue tool or two...

And if I could load FD without a COMPORT that would be a big plus
as well.

IIRC there is a method of doing this but i'd have to go digging to see if i still have the posts detailing how... but this also bring up the question of why do you need/want to run it without a comport? surely there is at least one on your system you can allow it to access even though it may not actually use it for connections...

But, I don't see any
of those things happening soon, if ever. I love FD, and still
have it here. But I have no way of using it now since I have
nothing installed to emulate a COMPORT.

hummm...

With Winblows there's not much of a choice.

exactly why i will not run windows for my mission critical processes...

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no, not really... try using domain names in IREX and you'll find that it f quite miserably... instead you have to use IP numbers because the kernel s changed such that DNS lookups fail and IPs are required...

That's only the Linux version. Plus who the hell wants to run Linux? I wish eCS would be marketed to the mass public like OS/2 was. :( I run IREX here with domain names with no issues.

I don't run OS/2 any longer so I have to stick to something that works.

OS/2 still works ;) especially on older equipment... my main server was a

Yeah, but I don't have any old boxes lying around for just the BBS machine tho. eCS was nice in a virtual box I setup, but I dunno. It's been so long since I ran an OS2 platform ... :(

IIRC there is a method of doing this but i'd have to go digging to see if still have the posts detailing how... but this also bring up the question why do you need/want to run it without a comport? surely there is at least on your system you can allow it to access even though it may not actually it for connections...

For it to run under Windows and not die because NetSerial has it's own issues of crashing when I get pinged 1000x in a row on port 23 by people looking for a way in. Net2BBS is comport-less (virtual) and is what I use now for the server. I had to switch to NetFOSS from BNU as FD will drop out to load the board and kill the window because of the FOSSIL. Did the same for X00. So under winblows, I had no choice, either dump FD and switch to something that doesn't crash when I get pinged 1000 times within 2 seconds on all "connection ports/nodes" or have NetSerial die everyday and have to reboot the computer for it to work. Mike never did get around to looking into this or fixing it. :(

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no, not really... try using domain names in IREX and you'll find
that it f
quite miserably... instead you have to use IP numbers because the
kernel s
changed such that DNS lookups fail and IPs are required...

That's only the Linux version. Plus who the hell wants to run
Linux? I wish eCS would be marketed to the mass public like OS/2
was. :( I run IREX here with domain names with no issues.

i wasn't aware of the problem being strictly related to windows... at least no one has ever stated it so plainly... however, in restrospect, i can see it now and fully understand it, too... windows doesn't come out with new kernels all the time... in fact, they rarely ever come out with new kernels...

I don't run OS/2 any longer so I have to stick to something that works.

OS/2 still works ;) especially on older equipment... my main
server was a

Yeah, but I don't have any old boxes lying around for just the BBS machine tho.

i wouldn't if i hadn't refused to move the bbs to each new OS as it came out and was embraced by all and sundry... that box has had a few upgrades over the years but it is essentially the same as it was when i first acquired it...

eCS was nice in a virtual box I setup, but I dunno.
It's been so long since I ran an OS2 platform ... :(

and there you have one up on me... i've never used any kind of virtual environment that i know of... maybe win3 on OS/2 was one such but i didn't even
really use that once i got another machine for my playing and was able to leave
the bbs machine alone for it to perform its mission uninterrupted and unmolested ;)

IIRC there is a method of doing this but i'd have to go digging to
see if
still have the posts detailing how... but this also bring up the
question
why do you need/want to run it without a comport? surely there is
at least
on your system you can allow it to access even though it may not
actually
it for connections...

For it to run under Windows and not die because NetSerial has it's
own issues of crashing when I get pinged 1000x in a row on port
23 by people looking for a way in.

this sounds like you need a perimeter firewall that can handle problems like this... i'm serious, too... i have one such and it didn't cost me a thing... not even for the dedicated machine that it runs on... too many hits of certain types from an address within a certain time period and the door gets slammed shut and remains shut for an amount of time... if that address continues to beat on the door, their block time is extended... i rarely even look at the machine any more...

Net2BBS is comport-less
(virtual) and is what I use now for the server. I had to switch
to NetFOSS from BNU as FD will drop out to load the board and
kill the window because of the FOSSIL. Did the same for X00. So
under winblows, I had no choice, either dump FD and switch to
something that doesn't crash when I get pinged 1000 times within
2 seconds on all "connection ports/nodes" or have NetSerial die
everyday and have to reboot the computer for it to work. Mike
never did get around to looking into this or fixing it. :(

i can understand why he hasn't... i can also understand why you and so many others made the choices you did... i just wish that more had stopped and really
looked at things before following the troubled paths they took :?

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That's only the Linux version. Plus who the hell wants to run
Linux? I wish eCS would be marketed to the mass public like OS/2
was. :( I run IREX here with domain names with no issues.

i wasn't aware of the problem being strictly related to windows...

oops... that should read "related to linux"... fingers are slower than brain :?

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i wasn't aware of the problem being strictly related to windows...

oops... that should read "related to linux"... fingers are slower than bra

ahhaha

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IB JOE wrote to Phil Kimble:

I have been playing with net serial over the past few weeks. I like
it... I think... there maybe some issues with PXW mailers but I think
the problem is PXW problem not FDs

One of my downlinks is running PXW & it took about 30 minutes on the phone to get mbse & PXW working together. I agree though, Mike has done a helluiva job with NetSerial.



Regards,
Phil
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T.J. Mcmillen wrote to Ib Joe:

Nope, I'm good. Got tired of FD 2.32's zmodem always screwing up atleast 2 or
3 times a day, so I gave up on NetSerial and FD and switch over to

NetFOSS

and
just loading my software. 17 years of FD running. I still have it here,

Did you take a look at th PZModem that is public domain? I have heard some goo things about it & supposedly its updated for these environments.



Regards,
Phil
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just loading my software. 17 years of FD running. I still have it h

Did you take a look at th PZModem that is public domain? I have heard some things about it & supposedly its updated for these environments.

I use PDZmodem (have for 10+ years now) for the BBS ... but you CANNOT change the internal Zmodem in FD.

... Nothing's impossible for those who don't have to do it.

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T.J. Mcmillen wrote to Phil Kimble:

just loading my software. 17 years of FD running. I still have

it h

Did you take a look at th PZModem that is public domain? I have heard

some

things about it & supposedly its updated for these environments.

I use PDZmodem (have for 10+ years now) for the BBS ... but you CANNOT change
the in═ternal Zmodem in FD.

After writing this I pondered the thought if FD would allow external protocols & dont remember the ability. Maybe versipon 3.0 will offer external protocols along with binkp protocol...



Regards,
Phil
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After writing this I pondered the thought if FD would allow external proto & dont remember the ability. Maybe versipon 3.0 will offer external protoc along with binkp protocol...

Well, Mats told me he is no longer working on FD. So there's one out. And JoHo ... not sure what's going on there.

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Did you take a look at th PZModem that is public domain? I
have heard some things about it & supposedly its updated for
these environments.

I use PDZmodem (have for 10+ years now) for the BBS ... but you
CANNOT change the in═ternal Zmodem in FD.

After writing this I pondered the thought if FD would allow
external protocols & dont remember the ability.

nope... FD has never allowed external protocol drivers because the protocols used by FTN mailers are tweaked in certain ways to handle certain specifics of FTN mailer transfer methods... ZedZap being a perfect example... zmodem doesn't
have variable sized "blocks" over 1024 bytes whereas ZedZap does...

Maybe versipon 3.0 will offer external protocols along with binkp protocol...

versipon? version? i think "version" now that i read it a few more times... at first i thought it was some new program or tool :lol:

as for FD3, i don't know... kinda doubtful but until it comes out of development, whenever that is, IF ever, we'll never know ;)

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After writing this I pondered the thought if FD would allow
external proto
& dont remember the ability. Maybe versipon 3.0 will offer
external protoc
along with binkp protocol...

Well, Mats told me he is no longer working on FD.

that can always change... note the tense of the words used ;)

So there's one out. And JoHo ... not sure what's going on
there.

unless i'm mistaken, they still work together... but i could be wrong...

)\/(ark


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mark lewis wrote to Phil Kimble:

Maybe versipon 3.0 will offer external protocols along with binkp protocol...

versipon? version? i think "version" now that i read it a few more times... at first i thought it was some new program or tool :lol:

An old man's fingers dont match up to his dreams. I tell the guys at work that I am a darn good speller; I cant type worth a crap... MBSE does have a spell check. Supposedly version 3 will... ;-}

as for FD3, i don't know... kinda doubtful but until it comes out of

development, whenever that is, IF ever, we'll never know ;)

I think at this stage in life it becomes more of staying busy than achiveing any real objectives. What would the developers receive for thier hard work
& time? If FD didnt make them rich the first time around it certainly wont the second. It boils down to motivation & availabliy of time. My quess is the latter is slowing everything down.

In the mean time, I will continue to play on VMware in a land where dreams come
true!!



Regards,
Phil
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Re: Registering FD
By: mark lewis to Phil Kimble on Mon Aug 15 2011 12:58 pm

Can anyone tell me if we can register FD? Thinkiing very seriously about getting my old DOS board running again.

i just got to this message... sorry for the delay... i'm in touch with joho and
asking him what the proper answer is... will post the result shortly ;)

Well, what was the result ?

02 Apr 16 00:33, you wrote to me:

Re: Registering FD
By: mark lewis to Phil Kimble on Mon Aug 15 2011 12:58 pm

Can anyone tell me if we can register FD? Thinkiing very seriously
about getting my old DOS board running again.

i just got to this message... sorry for the delay... i'm in touch
with joho and asking him what the proper answer is... will post the
result shortly ;)

Well, what was the result ?

that was in 2011... i have no idea at the moment... why are you responding to such old posts??

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Re: Registering FD
By: mark lewis to Dran Draggore on Sat Apr 02 2016 09:46 am

i just got to this message... sorry for the delay... i'm in touch
with joho and asking him what the proper answer is... will post the
result shortly ;)

Well, what was the result ?

that was in 2011... i have no idea at the moment... why are you responding to such old posts??

Because you said you would post the result.

You shouldn't leave people hanging like that.

02 Apr 16 20:57, you wrote to me:

i just got to this message... sorry for the delay... i'm in touch
with joho and asking him what the proper answer is... will post

the

result shortly ;)

Well, what was the result ?

that was in 2011... i have no idea at the moment... why are you
responding to such old posts??

Because you said you would post the result.

how do you know i didn't? posts don't always make it back to the gateway at vertrauen for some reason... no clue if the problem is upstream or not, though... it hasn't been important to try to track down over the last decade+...

You shouldn't leave people hanging like that.

anyone can contact joho and get an answer... he is easy to find and send a message to ;)

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