• New Ukrainian children's playgrounds

    From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to All on Friday, October 27, 2023 10:36:52
    Hi, All!

    New Ukrainian children's playgrounds now have blackboards which say what
    is not allowed there: ;-)

    https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/653ab941.jpg

    Bye, All!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Friday, October 27, 2023 08:32:19
    Hello, alexander!

    Friday October 27 2023 10:36, you wrote to All:

    New Ukrainian children's playgrounds now have blackboards which say
    what is not allowed there: ;-)

    Looks like people in Kiev are not very happy to listen to language of those who a killing children in Ukraine.

    Probably you still don't understand that people won't love you if you kill their parents. Too much reading of Putin's propaganda? :)

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Alexey Fayans@2:5030/1997 to Dmitry Protasoff on Friday, October 27, 2023 14:44:11
    Hello Dmitry!

    On Fri, 27 Oct 2023, 08:32 +0000, in a message to alexander koryagin, you wrote:

    Probably you still don't understand that people won't love you if you
    kill their parents. Too much reading of Putin's propaganda? :)

    Probably you still don't understand that language != people, as well as nation != government. In other words, the fact that I am speaking Russian language doesn't make me a killer and the fact that I was born in Russia doesn't make me an invader.

    It's kind of stupid to hate people just because of their nationality or language they speak.

    Until world leaders realize something as simple as that, there will never be peace anywhere.


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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to Alexey Fayans on Friday, October 27, 2023 14:12:57
    Hello, Alexey!

    Friday October 27 2023 14:44, you wrote to me:

    Probably you still don't understand that language != people, as well
    as nation != government. In other words, the fact that I am speaking Russian language doesn't make me a killer and the fact that I was born
    in Russia doesn't make me an invader.

    Yes, but in Soviet Union during WW2 and wasn't a very good idea to talk in German to each other publicly.
    People were very much angry and had to intention to think unemotionally.

    It's kind of stupid to hate people just because of their nationality
    or language they speak.

    Yeah, but we (Russia and Ukraine) came from the same cultural background so this is how wea re (ordinary people) are reacting to the war.
    I am myself is happy to be in good relations with people from any country, but this is me. I lived in Russia, UK, Middle East and have no problems with languages, religions, ages, genders and network protocols.

    Other people are not that flexible, especially when their releatives were killed.

    Until world leaders realize something as simple as that, there will
    never be peace anywhere.

    The problem is not with leaders, the problem is with people :(

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Alexey Fayans@2:5030/1997 to Dmitry Protasoff on Friday, October 27, 2023 19:27:39
    Hello Dmitry!

    On Fri, 27 Oct 2023, 14:12 +0000, in a message to me, you wrote:

    Probably you still don't understand that language != people, as
    well as nation != government. In other words, the fact that I am
    speaking Russian language doesn't make me a killer and the fact
    that I was born in Russia doesn't make me an invader.
    Yes, but in Soviet Union during WW2 and wasn't a very good idea to
    talk in German to each other publicly.

    That's true. But do you believe that it was the right thing? Do Germans also believe so? Many of them suffered because of that, as far as I know.

    People were very much angry and had to intention to think
    unemotionally.

    Are you attempting to justify overall hysteria and herd effect by emotions?
    It's kind of stupid to hate people just because of their
    nationality or language they speak.
    Yeah, but we (Russia and Ukraine) came from the same cultural
    background so this is how wea re (ordinary people) are reacting to the war.

    Well, I can understand why most ordinary people react in such a primitive way, but I cannot understand why world leaders do - they are supposed to be smart. If world leaders would spread the proper vision to their people, the war would have stopped a very long time ago, Ukraine would loose DPR and LPR but save countless lives of Ukrainians (isn't that what matters the most?) and also win support of a lot of Russians who initially wanted to stand with Ukraine and condemned Russian government for the invasion. But instead world leaders waged a war against all Russian nationals. Did any good come from this? No. Most Russians now hate EU and US, and even those who initially didn't support Putin now do. Good job.

    Until world leaders realize something as simple as that, there
    will never be peace anywhere.
    The problem is not with leaders, the problem is with people :(

    World leaders are there to direct their people. And world leaders chose to support overall hysteria and hatred agains Russian nationals instead of doing the right thing.


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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to Alexey Fayans on Friday, October 27, 2023 17:31:52
    Hello, Alexey!

    Friday October 27 2023 19:27, you wrote to me:

    Yes, but in Soviet Union during WW2 and wasn't a very good idea
    to talk in German to each other publicly.

    That's true. But do you believe that it was the right thing? Do

    The "Right Thing" is to switch to IPv6 and to drink above Putin's grave.
    But is it possible? Yes :)

    Germans also believe so? Many of them suffered because of that, as far
    as I know.

    We've sent many Germans in USSR during 1941 to Siberia, where many of them died. They believed in communism, BTW :)

    People were very much angry and had to intention to think
    unemotionally.

    Are you attempting to justify overall hysteria and herd effect by emotions?

    Yes. Imagine that someone killed your mother.

    primitive way, but I cannot understand why world leaders do - they are

    Because they are humans? Or you mean Putin? He is just a cheap clone of Hitler ;)

    Ukraine would loose DPR and LPR but save countless lives of Ukrainians (isn't that what matters the most?) and also win support of a lot of

    No. Putin wanted to stop Ukraine from from joining the EU.

    Russian government for the invasion. But instead world leaders waged a
    war against all Russian nationals. Did any good come from this? No.

    Russian nationalists? Most of the Russian nationalists were jailed or killed in Russia during last 10 years.

    Most Russians now hate EU and US, and even those who initially didn't

    That's a lie. "Most Russians" is just a propaganda. Very cheap, BTW ;)

    support Putin now do. Good job.

    Fuck Putin :) Tha'ts a good job!

    The problem is not with leaders, the problem is with people :(

    World leaders are there to direct their people. And world leaders
    chose to support overall hysteria and hatred agains Russian nationals instead of doing the right thing.

    I am Russian and I have zero (!) problems with western citizens. But I have a lot of problems with Russian pro-war fuckers because they want me dead.

    The right thing is to drink a wine or bear near Putin's grave :))

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Alexey Fayans@2:5030/1997 to Dmitry Protasoff on Saturday, October 28, 2023 11:17:02
    Hello Dmitry!

    On Fri, 27 Oct 2023, 17:31 +0000, in a message to me, you wrote:

    That's true. But do you believe that it was the right thing? Do
    The "Right Thing" is to switch to IPv6 and to drink above Putin's
    grave. But is it possible? Yes :)

    If you have a working plan, please go ahead and execute it. A lot of people will be greatful to you for that. But if you are just pretending to be brave, then please stop.

    Germans also believe so? Many of them suffered because of that,
    as far as I know.
    We've sent many Germans in USSR during 1941 to Siberia, where many of
    them died. They believed in communism, BTW :)

    That's what I am talking about. And not only that. Germans were hated all around the world just because they were Germans. And my question is whether Germans believe that it was right? I doubt it. Why don't people learn from their own history?

    Are you attempting to justify overall hysteria and herd effect by
    emotions?
    Yes. Imagine that someone killed your mother.

    I don't need to imagine, a have seen death. And I never hated whole nation or profession because of that. Only people who are directly responsible are to be blamed. And if I was Ukrainian, I would blame Zelenskiy, who preferred to use his people as cannon fodder when it was possible to agree to peace and then solve territory disputes politically.

    primitive way, but I cannot understand why world leaders do -
    they are
    Because they are humans?

    That's not an explanation. Like I said, they are supposed to be smart. And smart people are not driven by emotions.

    Or you mean Putin? He is just a cheap clone of Hitler ;)

    Everyone already knows that you don't like him, so why keep giving silly jokes about him? And whether you like him or not, you have to admit that of all world leaders, he at least gets what he wants and acts very smart on most events. And please don't make the wrong assumption that I might support him. I just can see the picture after discarding emotions.

    Ukraine would loose DPR and LPR but save countless lives of
    Ukrainians (isn't that what matters the most?) and also win
    support of a lot of
    No. Putin wanted to stop Ukraine from from joining the EU.

    Putin doesn't care about Ukraine being part of EU. Putin wanted to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO. But that's a different story and it ended when Crimea was taken.

    This particular war could end with a peace agreement in which Ukraine would loose DPR and LPR. Ukraine could accept peace offer and see what happens. If the war for some reason would not stop, at least no one could blame Zelenskiy for not trying to save his people from this bloody massacre.

    Russian government for the invasion. But instead world leaders
    waged a war against all Russian nationals. Did any good come from
    this? No.
    Russian nationalists?

    So, you are now replacing concepts. For your information, national is not nationalist. I was referring to people who were born in Russia and have Russian passport. But I am quite sure that you realize that and intentinally replaced the word. I am not going to continue this conversation because there is no point.


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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to Alexey Fayans on Saturday, October 28, 2023 13:12:21
    Hello, Alexey!

    Saturday October 28 2023 11:17, you wrote to me:

    That's true. But do you believe that it was the right thing? Do
    The "Right Thing" is to switch to IPv6 and to drink above Putin's
    grave. But is it possible? Yes :)

    If you have a working plan, please go ahead and execute it. A lot of

    Yes, the plan is to tell the truth.

    people will be greatful to you for that. But if you are just
    pretending to be brave, then please stop.

    And what if I am not pretending? BTW, this is Fidonet, a place for free speech.

    We've sent many Germans in USSR during 1941 to Siberia, where
    many of them died. They believed in communism, BTW :)

    That's what I am talking about. And not only that. Germans were hated
    all around the world just because they were Germans. And my question

    Not because they were Germans, but because they supported Nazi ideology. Somehow Hitler was able to show that majority of Germans were his supporters. Do you support Putin, BTW?

    I don't need to imagine, a have seen death. And I never hated whole
    nation or profession because of that. Only people who are directly

    I don.t think all Ukrainians hate all Russians., I talk to Ukranians every day and they don't see me as their enemy. But a lot of Russians are now literally like our former nazi enemies - brainwashed haters.

    responsible are to be blamed. And if I was Ukrainian, I would blame Zelenskiy, who preferred to use his people as cannon fodder when it

    He is head of the nation which is brave enough to fight foreign invaders, that's all.

    was possible to agree to peace and then solve territory disputes politically.

    Peace agreement with Putin? :) He will take what remains from Ukraine later; that guy is a crazy dictator and cannot be trusted.

    BTW, It's the Putin who is sending Russians to kill Russians in Ukraine. Zelenskiy never invaded Russia.

    Because they are humans?

    That's not an explanation. Like I said, they are supposed to be smart.
    And smart people are not driven by emotions.

    No, people without emotions - are sick with alexithymia.

    Everyone already knows that you don't like him, so why keep giving
    silly jokes about him? And whether you like him or not, you have to

    Because he funny stupid idiot :) Computer illiterate person - in 21st century! Soviet era dinosaur.

    admit that of all world leaders, he at least gets what he wants and
    acts very smart on most events. And please don't make the wrong

    No acts very stupid, because he brough our coutry into this mess.

    assumption that I might support him. I just can see the picture after discarding emotions.

    Yes, I see consequences of his stupid decisions every day.

    No. Putin wanted to stop Ukraine from from joining the EU.

    Putin doesn't care about Ukraine being part of EU. Putin wanted to

    Yes, he cared. He tried to prevent it together with Yanukovich, the whole story started because of that.

    This particular war could end with a peace agreement in which Ukraine would loose DPR and LPR. Ukraine could accept peace offer and see what

    Do you think that Putin will stop with DPR and LPR? Why do think so? He wants more.
    HHe wants Kiev.

    intentinally replaced the word. I am not going to continue this conversation because there is no point.

    Fuck Putin! :) I am gonna drink for week when he'll die.
    Belgian beer or French wine, not sure for now :)

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Sunday, October 29, 2023 12:17:03
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 27.10.2023 17:12

    AF>> Probably you still don't understand that language !=
    AF>> people, as well as nation != government. In other words,
    AF>> the fact that I am speaking Russian language doesn't make
    AF>> me a killer and the fact that I was born in Russia doesn't
    AF>> make me an invader.
    DP> Yes, but in Soviet Union during WW2 and wasn't a very good idea
    DP> to talk in German to each other publicly. People were very much
    DP> angry and had to intention to think unemotionally.

    Germans in the USSR were not prohibited speak German during the war. It
    is imbecility to connect languages with aggression. And I say to you not
    once -- tirany better than imbecility. It is well known that more than
    40% people in Ukraine speak Russian in their homes.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Sunday, October 29, 2023 12:06:15
    It is well known that more than
    40% people in Ukraine speak Russian in their homes.

    And 100% of those allegedly Russian-speaking Ukrainians oppose the Russian agression...

    Your point ?

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Sunday, October 29, 2023 12:41:55
    Hello, alexander!

    Sunday October 29 2023 12:17, you wrote to me:

    Germans in the USSR were not prohibited speak German during the war.

    They were sent to Siberia where many of them died and they had to speak Russian to authorities, otherwise they were tortured and sent to GULAG (which was close by).

    you not once -- tirany better than imbecility. It is well known that
    more than 40% people in Ukraine speak Russian in their homes.

    They speak less Russian every day. Because Putin went crazy end decided to kill as many Russians in Ukraine as possible. That's a biggest tragedy of Russian people since Stalin.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Monday, October 30, 2023 14:47:47
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 29.10.2023 13:06

    ak>> It is well known that more than
    ak>> 40% people in Ukraine speak Russian in their homes.
    WD> And 100% of those allegedly Russian-speaking Ukrainians oppose
    WD> the Russian agression... Your point ?

    Mine main point is -- don't trust Zelensky's propaganda. If you trust
    his words, the Russian army must has already been destroyed and Crimea
    and Donbass returned back to Ukraine. I advice you to admit that the
    Ukrainian situation in 2014 was more indicative. Now it is just
    impossible to get a real picture about people's minds -- to speak
    pro-Russian views is very dangerous in Ukraine, as it was dangerous to
    speak against Communism in the USSR in 193s during the years of
    repressions.
    So trust the situation before 2014 -- Ukraine has been always divided
    into proRussian part and antiRussian part. The main tool of the
    antiRussian part is hatred, violence, crazy and insane antiRussian
    propaganda, idiotic attempts to convert all Russians in Ukrainians by
    force and compulsion.

    Putin in Russia is not a nice guy, there is no doubt about it, and his
    image has made a great negative impact on how people in the West see the situation in Russia on the whole. But I repeat once more -- a tyrant is
    better than a pack of idiots, and that pack has had all means to stop
    violence in Ukraine since 2014.
    I repeat the main mental condition of this pack during all the years of violence in Donbass -- the pack constantly had a dilemma (up to a
    diarrhoea) - should it negotiate with the rebels or it hoped that
    sometimes it would have enough force to cut Donbass rebels' throats. If
    they had not been idiots they would have understood that Russia would
    never allow them to do those dirty plans, and the Minsk agreements had
    to be implemented.

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Monday, October 30, 2023 12:03:23
    Hello, alexander!

    Monday October 30 2023 14:47, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

    tyrant is better than a pack of idiots, and that pack has had all

    Tyrant is worse than anyone, because you cannot replace him.
    And our tyrant is really a very stupid person, who belives in "killer mosquitos", "genetic weapon" and even don't know how to use a computer :)

    BTW, yesterday we saw real Pogrom in Russia. With thousands of people in Dagestan looking for jews to kill them. This is how Putin fighting nazism? :)

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Monday, October 30, 2023 13:43:23
    Alexander,

    If sometimes it would have enough force to cut Donbass rebels' throats. they had not been idiots they would have understood that Russia would
    never allow them to do those dirty plans, and the Minsk agreements had
    to be implemented.

    Russia, at least its current leadership, shits on any agreement which doesn't suit their purpose.

    Let's start with the universal declaration of human rights ... the international court of justice ... others ...

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Monday, October 30, 2023 15:38:47
    Russia would never allow them to do those dirty plans, and the Minsk agreements had
    to be implemented.

    What one of the agreement would that be? There were several of them. If you are referring to the Minsk Protocol, maybe you have not understood what it said? Tell me if there is even *one* of the twelve points, that Putin's Ruzzia has *not* violated?

    The text of the protocol consists of twelve points:

    1. To ensure an immediate bilateral ceasefire.

    2. To ensure the monitoring and verification of the ceasefire by the OSCE.

    3. Decentralisation of power, including through the adoption of the Ukrainian law "On temporary Order of Local Self-Governance in Particular Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts".

    4. To ensure the permanent monitoring of the Ukrainian-Russian border and verification by the OSCE with the creation of security zones in the border regions of Ukraine and the Russian Federation.

    5. Immediate release of all hostages and illegally detained persons.

    6. A law preventing the prosecution and punishment of people in connection with the events that have taken place in some areas of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts.

    7. To continue the inclusive national dialogue.

    8. To take measures to improve the humanitarian situation in Donbas.

    9. To ensure early local elections in accordance with the Ukrainian law "On temporary Order of Local Self-Governance in Particular Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts".

    10. To withdraw illegal armed groups and military equipment as well as fighters and mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine.

    11. To adopt a programme of economic recovery and reconstruction for the Donbas region.

    12. To provide personal security for participants in the consultations.


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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Wednesday, November 01, 2023 14:09:05
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 30.10.2023 15:03

    DP> BTW, yesterday we saw real Pogrom in Russia. With thousands of
    DP> people in Dagestan looking for jews to kill them. This is how
    DP> Putin fighting nazism? :)

    Do you know, BTW, Jews have never been puzzled thinking why they are
    hated so much by so many people. I think they probably do something
    deadly wrong.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Wednesday, November 01, 2023 11:58:03
    Hello, alexander!

    Wednesday November 01 2023 14:09, you wrote to me:

    BTW, yesterday we saw real Pogrom in Russia. With thousands of
    people in Dagestan looking for jews to kill them. This is how
    Putin fighting nazism? :)

    Do you know, BTW, Jews have never been puzzled thinking why they are
    hated so much by so many people. I think they probably do something
    deadly wrong.

    Yes, they are different. That's all.

    Do you remember how in our Soviet Motherland during 80s gopniks beat anyone with long hair, who listened to rock music, who were not "like them"?

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dmitry Protasoff on Thursday, November 02, 2023 09:32:08
    Hello Dmitry,

    [..]

    intentinally replaced the word. I am not going to continue this
    conversation because there is no point.

    Fuck Putin! :) I am gonna drink for week when he'll die.
    Belgian beer or French wine, not sure for now :)

    Absinthe! Nectar of the gods!

    You do realize the real Putin died last week at his Valdai
    residence, having body doubles now in the Russian president's
    palace. The "understudy" has carried out official duties and
    held phone calls with global leaders ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dmitry Protasoff on Thursday, November 02, 2023 09:32:14
    Hello Dmitry,

    tyrant is better than a pack of idiots, and that pack has had all

    Tyrant is worse than anyone, because you cannot replace him.

    Remember that -

    Autocracies have elections. It doesn't matter who votes.
    It matters who counts.

    And our tyrant is really a very stupid person, who belives in "killer mosquitos", "genetic weapon" and even don't know how to use a computer :)

    In that case, what really matters is who watches the counters.

    BTW, yesterday we saw real Pogrom in Russia. With thousands of people in Dagestan looking for jews to kill them. This is how Putin fighting nazism? :)

    He put them all on a midnight train to Gaza. And now they will
    never be found. Too many tunnels ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Thursday, November 02, 2023 09:32:21
    Hello Ward,

    If sometimes it would have enough force to cut Donbass rebels' throats.
    they had not been idiots they would have understood that Russia would
    never allow them to do those dirty plans, and the Minsk agreements had
    to be implemented.

    Russia, at least its current leadership, shits on any agreement which doesn't suit their purpose.

    What is its current leadership? The real Putin died last week
    at his Valdai residence, having body doubles now in the Russian
    president's palace.

    Let's start with the universal declaration of human rights ... the international court of justice ... others ...

    I reckon the warrant for Putin's arrest for war crimes can be
    ignored now that he has passed ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Bj?rn Felten on Thursday, November 02, 2023 13:37:18
    Hi, Bj?rn Felten!
    I read your message from 30.10.2023 17:38

    ak>> Russia would never allow them to do those dirty plans, and the
    ak>> Minsk agreements had to be implemented.

    BF> What one of the agreement would that be? There were several of
    BF> them. If you are referring to the Minsk Protocol, maybe you have
    BF> not understood what it said? Tell me if there is even *one* of the
    BF> twelve points, that Putin's Ruzzia has *not* violated?

    BF> The text of the protocol consists of twelve points:

    BF> 1. To ensure an immediate bilateral ceasefire.

    ;-) Tell me at least one reason why Russia or the rebels should violate ceasefire in Donbass? If Ukraine had taken away its troops and heavy
    artillery from Donbass there would be not aims for the rebels.

    -----Beginning of the citation----- https://pakhotin.org/economy/minsk-agreements/
    Google translation from Russian.

    The number of victims exceeded 10 thousand people
    The Minsk agreements, signed by Putin, Poroshenko, Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky, provided for the withdrawal of heavy weapons, a ceasefire,
    and the exchange of prisoners. The document set a specific deadline for
    most items: it was planned to fully implement the agreements by the end
    of 2015. However, after 4 years, not a single point of the Minsk
    agreements has been fully implemented.
    ...
    Since then, 17 attempts have been made to establish a regime of silence
    in the conflict zone. However, even the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission,
    led by Alexander Hug, announced sad statistics: in 2016, 320 thousand
    cases of violation of the silence regime were recorded, and in 2017 -
    almost 400 thousand.
    ----- The end of the citation -----


    BF> 2. To ensure the monitoring and verification of the ceasefire by
    BF> the OSCE.

    There were many OSCE observes before 2022, but they were always very
    blind as well as polite towards Ukraine. Do you know that it is VERY
    VERY easy to define who has made an artillery shot when you observing.
    You have several microphones and a trivial software quickly define the location of an artillery shot sound. The observers had some conscience
    and they never blame the rebels for ceasefire violation, but they never
    told that it was Ukrainian troops and ultra-nationalist brigades who did
    it. That is the way the OSCE observes did their shameful job.

    BF> 3. Decentralisation of power, including through the adoption of the
    BF> Ukrainian law "On temporary Order of Local Self-Governance in
    BF> Particular Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts".

    It was funny that you blame Putin for not implementing this clause. ;-)

    BF> 4. To ensure the permanent monitoring of the Ukrainian-Russian
    BF> border and verification by the OSCE with the creation of security
    BF> zones in the border regions of Ukraine and the Russian Federation.

    As I have said OSCE people were was good for nothings as impartial
    observers.

    BF> 5. Immediate release of all hostages and illegally detained
    BF> persons.

    There has been no hostages in that war. There are prisoners.

    BF> 6. A law preventing the prosecution and punishment of people in
    BF> connection with the events that have taken place in some areas of
    BF> Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts.

    It is only pertain to Ukraine -- this clause had not been not
    implemented by the Ukrainian side. Ukraine constantly threatens to
    persecute the rebels.

    BF> 7. To continue the inclusive national dialogue.

    Crazy persecution of the Russian language and those who wanted good
    relations with Russia. Almost 3 million Ukrainian refuges has been still living in Russia (they fled here before 2022).

    BF> 8. To take measures to improve the humanitarian situation in
    BF> Donbas.

    Donbass, Donetsk every day under shelling with most sophisticated
    western rockets and shell. Not they shell it with American cluster
    ammunition.

    BF> 9. To ensure early local elections in accordance with the Ukrainian
    BF> law "On temporary Order of Local Self-Governance in Particular
    BF> Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts".

    As I said Ukraine had never wanted to implement the clause about "Self-Governance in Particular Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk
    Oblasts"." As openly and shamelessly said Merkel and Macron -- the Minsk agreements were only a mean to give Ukraine time to gather its military strength.

    BF> 10. To withdraw illegal armed groups and military equipment as well
    BF> as fighters and mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine.

    This clause is the last one and cannot be done without implementing
    other clauses.

    BF> 11. To adopt a programme of economic recovery and reconstruction
    BF> for the Donbas region.

    You can note that after stopping fighting Mariupol has been quickly rebuilding.

    BF> 12. To provide personal security for participants in the
    BF> consultations.

    We see terrorist killings of people on the Russian territory, mainly journalists and those who had active proRussian position on the issue.

    Bye, Bj?rn!
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, November 02, 2023 13:44:27
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 02.11.2023 11:32

    AF>>> intentinally replaced the word. I am not going to
    AF>>> continue this conversation because there is no point.
    DP>> Fuck Putin! :) I am gonna drink for week when he'll die.
    DP>> Belgian beer or French wine, not sure for now :)
    LL> Absinthe! Nectar of the gods!
    LL> You do realize the real Putin died last week at his Valdai
    LL> residence, having body doubles now in the Russian president's
    LL> palace. The "understudy" has carried out official duties and
    LL> held phone calls with global leaders ...

    Now banker give credits using a client voice as a signiture. Voice is as
    good as finger prints.

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Thursday, November 02, 2023 12:57:34
    ;-) Tell me at least one reason why Russia or the rebels should violate ceasefire in Donbass? If Ukraine had taken away its troops and heavy artillery from Donbass there would be not aims for the rebels.

    Hopefully you understand how silly your reasoning is ... It is Ukrainian territory, as a consequence Ukraine puts whatever forces it desires where-ever in its own territory.

    By your use of the word "rebels" you provide the justification a regime needs to enact its rights on self-defence, protecting its bords, restore peace and order.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Thursday, November 02, 2023 12:58:33
    Now banker give credits using a client voice as a signiture. Voice is as good as finger prints.

    Last time you visited Disneyland was "when" ?

    \%/@rd

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, November 02, 2023 13:09:28
    Hello, Lee!

    Thursday November 02 2023 09:32, you wrote to me:

    You do realize the real Putin died last week at his Valdai
    residence, having body doubles now in the Russian president's
    palace. The "understudy" has carried out official duties and
    held phone calls with global leaders ...

    Probably they've got a factory, producing new clone of Putin every month :)
    The problem is that it's still an old version, no upgrades at all.


    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, November 02, 2023 13:13:37
    Hello, Lee!

    Thursday November 02 2023 09:32, you wrote to me:

    Autocracies have elections. It doesn't matter who votes.
    It matters who counts.

    Yes and BTW, Fidonet was a first example of working democratic system in my life. May be elections in Fidonet are the only fair elections in Russia :)


    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Thursday, November 02, 2023 13:17:15
    Hello, alexander!

    Thursday November 02 2023 13:44, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

    Now banker give credits using a client voice as a signiture. Voice is
    as good as finger prints.

    That's why we have a lot of cases in Russia when people see that someone took loan from bank without their approval :)

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Thursday, November 02, 2023 13:20:41
    Hello, alexander!

    Thursday November 02 2023 13:37, you wrote to Bj?rn Felten:

    You can note that after stopping fighting Mariupol has been quickly rebuilding.

    But thousands were killed and thousands are disabled.
    And what for? For some moron in Kremlin?

    Russian army was in Donbass region since second part of 2014, since you deny that - you cannot be trusted.

    My friend is from small village on border between Russia and Lugansk oblast, he told me the exact time of this even because his classmate was a border guard and saw tanks coming in.

    And now you telling those fake stories, that our state propaganda is producing :) Funny!

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Dmitry Protasoff on Friday, November 03, 2023 08:57:04
    Dmitry,

    And now you telling those fake stories, that our state propaganda is producing :) Funny!

    Maybe he "is" the propaganda ... :-)

    Is there any proof that "alexander koryagin" is even real? Perhaps he is just a V0.01 AI-bot beta-release Kremlin-style? 8-)

    \%/@rd

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  • From Bjårn Felten@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Friday, November 03, 2023 18:36:55
    Is there any proof that "alexander koryagin" is even real? Perhaps he is just a V0.01 AI-bot beta-release Kremlin-style? 8-)

    It seems like they (the Saint Petersburg troll factory, Æα«½½¿ ¿º Ľ∞ú¿¡«) deactivated "him" for some time, but now "he" is active again.

    --
    Religion is the root of all evil in the world, and has been so since The First Council of Nicaea codified Christianity in the year 325.

    ..

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to Ward Dossche on Saturday, November 04, 2023 01:49:47
    Hello, Ward!

    Friday November 03 2023 08:57, you wrote to me:

    And now you telling those fake stories, that our state propaganda
    is producing :) Funny!

    Maybe he "is" the propaganda ... :-)

    Is there any proof that "alexander koryagin" is even real? Perhaps he
    is just a V0.01 AI-bot beta-release Kremlin-style? 8-)

    Our Russian Fidonet segment really resembles a small-scale model of our real-life society: we have people who are demanding Global Thermonuclear War (hello, "WarGames" movie), some who are very much against the war, and others (who are actually very active) just reposting propaganda filled with obvious lies every day for many months.
    It looks like they believe that if you repeat a lie many times, it becomes the truth!
    Like a magician repeating his spells many times.
    But it's not working :)



    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Dmitry Protasoff on Saturday, November 04, 2023 09:41:08
    Dmitry,

    Best regards,

    So when are you coming to visit your sister ?

    \%/@rd

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to Ward Dossche on Saturday, November 04, 2023 16:03:21
    Hello, Ward!

    Saturday November 04 2023 09:41, you wrote to me:

    Best regards,

    So when are you coming to visit your sister ?

    After NY, second part of January. English beer is terrible; I need a pint of Belgian ;)

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Dmitry Protasoff on Saturday, November 04, 2023 17:27:30
    Dmitry,

    So when are you coming to visit your sister ?

    After NY, second part of January. English beer is terrible; I need a pint of Belgian ;)

    Say no more, please come and look me up..

    \%/@rd

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to Ward Dossche on Sunday, November 05, 2023 03:17:09
    Hello, Ward!

    Saturday November 04 2023 17:27, you wrote to me:

    After NY, second part of January. English beer is terrible; I need
    a pint of Belgian ;)

    Say no more, please come and look me up..

    Deal ;)

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Monday, November 06, 2023 12:00:18
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 02.11.2023 13:57

    ak>> ;-) Tell me at least one reason why Russia or the rebels
    ak>> should violate ceasefire in Donbass? If Ukraine had taken
    ak>> away its troops and heavy artillery from Donbass there
    ak>> would be not aims for the rebels.
    WD> Hopefully you understand how silly your reasoning is ... It is
    WD> Ukrainian territory, as a consequence Ukraine puts whatever
    WD> forces it desires where-ever in its own territory. By your use
    WD> of the word "rebels" you provide the justification a regime needs to
    WD> enact its rights on self-defence, protecting its bords, restore peace
    WD> and order.

    Well, all the West now admits the right of Izrael to defend... the
    criminally occupied lands. So Russia has not invented anything new.

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Monday, November 06, 2023 12:08:52
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 02.11.2023 16:17

    ak>> Now bankers give credits using a client voice as a
    ak>> signiture. Voice is as good as finger prints.
    DP> That's why we have a lot of cases in Russia when people see
    DP> that someone took loan from bank without their approval :)

    Tell me at least one case of credit taken by voice falsification.
    As a rule the swindlers in Russia simply use a passport Xerox. For some strange reason they had managed to take credits in this way. Now the
    rules became much more strict.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Monday, November 06, 2023 10:16:02
    Alexander,

    Well, all the West now admits the right of Izrael to defend... the criminally occupied lands. So Russia has not invented anything new.

    Please define "all the West" ...

    ... but you "are" now stating that Russia criminally occupied something...

    Enjoy the day ... asking your boss what to write now.

    \%/@rd

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Monday, November 06, 2023 12:17:41
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 02.11.2023 16:20

    ak>> You can note that after stopping fighting Mariupol has been
    ak>> quickly rebuilding.

    DP> But thousands were killed and thousands are disabled. And what for?
    DP> For some moron in Kremlin?

    I believe the Nazi idiots who captured powert in Kiev wanted it more.
    The reason is simple -- in Mariupol is populated by Russian people.

    DP> Russian army was in Donbass region since second part of 2014, since
    DP> you deny that - you cannot be trusted.

    Don't tell a lie about the Russian army. If it was there in 2014 the
    full scale war started right then.

    DP> My friend is from small village on border between Russia and
    DP> Lugansk oblast, he told me the exact time of this even because his
    DP> classmate was a border guard and saw tanks coming in.

    No doubt Russia helped with military equipment, as NATO does now for
    Ukraine.

    DP> And now you telling those fake stories, that our state propaganda
    DP> is producing :) Funny!

    I have not told fake stories, and liked Putin -- I just try to be
    objective. You are not.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Monday, November 06, 2023 10:06:11
    Hello, alexander!

    Monday November 06 2023 12:08, you wrote to me:

    Now bankers give credits using a client voice as a
    signiture. Voice is as good as finger prints.
    That's why we have a lot of cases in Russia when people see
    that someone took loan from bank without their approval :)

    Tell me at least one case of credit taken by voice falsification.

    Are you joking? It's NOT possible to get credit in Russia with voice authorization because it's very easy to spoof the system - you just need to call a victim and record his voice. That's why banks tried to launch it several years ago and all of them failed.
    Just google it.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Monday, November 06, 2023 10:29:35
    Hello, alexander!

    Monday November 06 2023 12:17, you wrote to me:

    But thousands were killed and thousands are disabled. And what
    for? For some moron in Kremlin?

    I believe the Nazi idiots who captured powert in Kiev wanted it more.

    We had jewish Pogrom several days ago when FSB had to evacute jews in Dagestan on helicopters and shoot around because mob there was trying to kill them.
    Jewish organizations are discussing how to evacute people from those regions and you are telling me about "Nazis"? :)

    Fix your country before destroying others!

    The reason is simple -- in Mariupol is populated by Russian people.

    You mean - was populated? Thousands were killed during Siege. "Liberate" by killing is a very bad idea, sounds like some nazi agenda, ah? :)

    Russian army was in Donbass region since second part of 2014,
    since you deny that - you cannot be trusted.

    Don't tell a lie about the Russian army. If it was there in 2014 the

    Putin was telling lies when:

    1. "Those forces in Crimea are not Russian army" - lie
    2. "We don't have army in Donetsk" - lie
    3. "We wont start war Ukraine" - lie
    4. "There won't be mass mobilization" - lie
    etc

    You have to be very naive or brainwashed person to belive him.

    full scale war started right then.

    It was a very fullscale war with several airplanes shot down.

    No doubt Russia helped with military equipment, as NATO does now for Ukraine.

    Many Russian army soldiers and officers where even awarded for military operations in Eastern Ukraine.
    That's a fact :)

    And now you telling those fake stories, that our state
    propaganda is producing :) Funny!

    I have not told fake stories, and liked Putin -- I just try to be

    Yes, you lied here many times - I am Russian myself and see it very clearly :)

    objective. You are not.

    You is just repeating very poor State propaganda. Shame on you.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Monday, November 06, 2023 11:34:57
    Alexander,

    I am sorry for not really knowing you ... there's no indication if you're even real, but let's just assume ...

    I believe the Nazi idiots who captured powert in Kiev wanted it more.
    The reason is simple -- in Mariupol is populated by Russian people.

    My parents fought against Nazis, real Nazis. My father killed some of them ... real Nazis. The only Nazi-style form of government at present within the European territory west of the Urals are those parts governed from Moscow and the puppet regime in Minsk. They fullfill all the qualifications of the definition of "Nazi" ... not the government in Kiev. Please note my differentiation between 'government' and 'regime'.

    No doubt Russia helped with military equipment, as NATO does now for Ukraine.

    Individual countries are helping Ukraine 'now", not NATO ... it has no foot on the ground. Russia has.

    I have not told fake stories, and liked Putin -- I just try to be objective. You are not.

    You don't even have a free and independant press. I can stand in the middle of the street with a white sheet of pqper and people will wonder "What's he doing in the middle of a street with a white paper?" Try that in Moscow and you're arrested.

    I will consider it a success if you can spell "objective" without errors, not that you know what it is.

    \%/@rd

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Thursday, November 09, 2023 12:44:00
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 06.11.2023 12:34

    WD> I am sorry for not really knowing you... there's no indication if
    WD> you're even real, but let's just assume...

    ak>> I believe the Nazi idiots who captured powert in Kiev wanted it
    ak>> more. The reason is simple -- in Mariupol is populated by Russian
    ak>> people.

    WD> My parents fought against Nazis, real Nazis. My father killed some
    WD> of them... real Nazis. The only Nazi-style form of government at
    WD> present within the European territory west of the Urals are those
    WD> parts governed from Moscow and the puppet regime in Minsk. They
    WD> fullfill all the qualifications of the definition of "Nazi"... not
    WD> the government in Kiev. Please note my differentiation
    WD> between 'government' and 'regime'.

    Nazi -- is people of a nation who do violent acts of assimilation or elimination, deprivation of civil rights of other nation(s). The main
    sign of such an X nation is a fucking slogan - this country is only for
    X nation. Now Nazi exists in Israel, Ukraine, Baltic states. They have
    not gone as far as Hitler so far, but the main idea is the same.

    Nothing wrong would have happened in Ukraine if Ukrainian
    ultra-nationalists had not done the coup in 2014.

    ak>> No doubt Russia helped with military equipment, as NATO does now
    ak>> for Ukraine.

    WD> Individual countries are helping Ukraine 'now", not NATO... it has
    WD> no foot on the ground. Russia has.

    Haven't you heard what HATO chief Stoltenberg says many times on the
    Ukraine issue? He says that NATO would provide Ukraine with weapon in unlimited quantity.

    ak>> I have not told fake stories, and liked Putin -- I just try to be
    ak>> objective. You are not.

    WD> You don't even have a free and independant press. I can stand in
    WD> the middle of the street with a white sheet of pqper and people
    WD> will wonder "What's he doing in the middle of a street with a white
    WD> paper?" Try that in Moscow and you're arrested.

    Paranoia is a common state in any isolated country, especially at war.
    It is foolish to lament now the absence of democracy in Russia. I assure
    you Zelensky in Ukraine also will cancel elections as he has cancelled democracy there.

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Thursday, November 09, 2023 12:44:14
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 06.11.2023 13:06

    ak>>>> Now bankers give credits using a client voice as a
    ak>>>> signiture. Voice is as good as finger prints.
    DP>>> That's why we have a lot of cases in Russia when people
    DP>>> see that someone took loan from bank without their
    DP>>> approval :)
    ak>> Tell me at least one case of credit taken by voice
    ak>> falsification.
    DP> Are you joking? It's NOT possible to get credit in Russia with
    DP> voice authorization because it's very easy to spoof the system
    DP> - you just need to call a victim and record his voice. That's
    DP> why banks tried to launch it several years ago and all of them failed.
    DP> Just google it.

    In any way you cannot make a dead person to speak with its own voice.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Thursday, November 09, 2023 12:44:23
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 06.11.2023 13:29

    ak>> The reason is simple -- in Mariupol is populated by Russian
    ak>> people.
    DP> You mean - was populated? Thousands were killed during Siege.
    DP> "Liberate" by killing is a very bad idea, sounds like some nazi
    DP> agenda, ah? :)

    The main reason why many Russian civilians in Ukraine refused to
    evacuate into the deep of Ukraine during the Russian troops assault is
    simple -- they waited for them. Unfortunately they were shamelessly used
    as a live shield by Ukrainian troops. Thousands died indeed, but
    majority died from the fire of Ukrainian troops.

    Compare the Russian war approach in a major city of Kerson in Ukraine.
    Can they make this Russian city a fortress, as Ukrainians made from
    Mariupol? It was so convenient to set up machine guns in the numerous
    city buildings! They could, but they simply left it intact.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Thursday, November 09, 2023 13:32:10
    Alexander,

    The main reason why many Russian civilians in Ukraine refused to
    evacuate into the deep of Ukraine during the Russian troops assault is simple -- they waited for them. Unfortunately they were shamelessly used
    as a live shield by Ukrainian troops. Thousands died indeed, but
    majority died from the fire of Ukrainian troops.

    You really are special to keep on spewing that nonsense ...

    All of our independant news organizations had/have journalists on the ground in the Ukrainian side ... they are allowed there. No western free press allowed on the eastern side ... it says a lot.

    Ukrainians used no live shields ... simple ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Thursday, November 09, 2023 17:05:32
    Alexander,

    Nazi -- is people of a nation who do violent acts of assimilation or elimination, deprivation of civil rights of other nation(s).

    Bollocks, also the remainder of that message.

    Nazism is a form of socialism where the party ascends in importance by regular elections and once they are in absolute power, laws are enacted that elections are not necessary anymore because the party acts in the benefit of all the people ... so why would you want to elect someone else ... you already have the best of everything. Aka Putin-ism.

    Haven't you heard what HATO chief Stoltenberg says many times on the Ukraine issue? He says that NATO would provide Ukraine with weapon in unlimited quantity.

    So? NATO has no foot on the ground, Russia has.

    I assure you Zelensky in Ukraine also will cancel elections as he has cancelled democracy there.

    I assure you that when this unfortunate episode comes to an end, there will be again elections in Ukraine and chances are that Zelensky will be voted out of office eventually ... The same that happened to Winston Churchill in 1945 who was voted out of office nearly immediately after WW2 ended.

    That's called 'democracy'.

    Putin however will remain in office until he dies, that is Nazism. Same with Belarus, North-Korea, even the People's Republic of China nowadays.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Bjrn Felten on Thursday, November 09, 2023 23:51:09
    Hello Björn,

    Is there any proof that "alexander koryagin" is even real? WD>Perhaps he
    is just a V0.01 AI-bot beta-release Kremlin-style? 8-)

    It seems like they (the Saint Petersburg troll factory, Тролли из Ольгино)
    deactivated "him" for some time, but now "he" is active again.

    While that might seem to be a reasonable assumption, not all is
    as it seems. For example, during last night's debate among Republican candidates for president, one of the contestants could have been
    mistaken for Alexander had he been speaking Russian. Here is a quote
    of what he said, concerning Ukraine and its elected president -

    "Level with the American people here, Ukraine is not a paragon of
    democracy. This is a ccoutry that has banned 11 opposition parties.
    It has consolidated all media into one state, TV media arm -- that
    is not democratic. It has threatened not to hold elections this
    year unless the US forks over more money -- that is noto democratic."
    ~ Vivek Ramaswamy, Republican Debate, 11/8/2023

    I do not know where Ramaswamy was trained at. Or if he has ever
    been to St. Petersburg. I am sure it is a beautiful city, with lots
    to see and do. But as you know, trolls are special. And need special
    training in order to accomplish their tasks. Which is why TikTok was
    invented, available everywhere, including in Ohio.

    Here is more of what Ramaswamy said last night -

    "It has celebrated a Nazi in its ranks. A comedian in cargo pants.
    The man called Zelenskyy. Doing it in their own ranks -- that is not democratic." ~Vivek Ramaswamy, Republican Debate, 11/8/2023

    See there? A Jewish Nazi. A real live Nazi in Ukraine. Ramaswamy
    also said he was "absolutely unpersuaded" by Zelenskyy's call for
    aid.

    What a guy.
    Taking lessons from Alexander.
    Or maybe from Putin himself.

    Nah. We all know the truth.
    It is all your fault.
    Nobody else but you are to blame for this.

    As editor of the Fidonews, you have made it possible for both
    friend and foe to have his say, and also for all to believe whatever
    words of wisdom they wish, whether true or not.

    You cannot deny it.

    You are the one who allowed Alexander to have his say.
    You are the one who allowed Vivek to read his words of wisdom.
    You are the one who caussed Vivek to spread his nonsense to
    infect his own political party, which is already infected by
    the words of an orange clown.

    Time for you to be a man and own up to it.
    Your Swedish honor depends on it.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Thursday, November 09, 2023 10:53:08
    Hello, alexander!

    Thursday November 09 2023 12:44, you wrote to me:

    Are you joking? It's NOT possible to get credit in Russia with
    voice authorization because it's very easy to spoof the system
    - you just need to call a victim and record his voice. That's
    why banks tried to launch it several years ago and all of them
    failed. Just google it.

    In any way you cannot make a dead person to speak with its own voice.

    Very easy. Voice recording devices were invented many years ago (19th century).


    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Thursday, November 09, 2023 10:55:31
    Hello, alexander!

    Thursday November 09 2023 12:44, you wrote to me:

    You mean - was populated? Thousands were killed during Siege.
    "Liberate" by killing is a very bad idea, sounds like some nazi
    agenda, ah? :)

    The main reason why many Russian civilians in Ukraine refused to
    evacuate into the deep of Ukraine during the Russian troops assault is

    Russia never announced that it will invade. War started without any formal announcement.
    High level official were lying that Russian is not preparing to invade Ukraine. I still remember that terrible night :( Only people who really believed americans were able to evacuate early.
    Baiden was telling us truth all the time, but I didn't belive him :(

    But looks like that lie is your friend :) Just like it's a best friend of Putin and his clowns.


    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Friday, November 10, 2023 21:57:17
    Hello Ward,

    The main reason why many Russian civilians in Ukraine refused to
    evacuate into the deep of Ukraine during the Russian troops assault is
    simple -- they waited for them. Unfortunately they were shamelessly used
    as a live shield by Ukrainian troops. Thousands died indeed, but
    majority died from the fire of Ukrainian troops.

    You really are special to keep on spewing that nonsense ...

    You only know what your news organization wants you to know.
    So please. Open your eyes. Expand your horizons.

    All of our independant news organizations had/have journalists on the ground
    in the Ukrainian side ... they are allowed there.

    And you know this.
    How?
    Did you travel there?
    Or just spewing nonsense?

    No western free press allowed on the eastern side ...

    And you know this.
    How?
    Did you travel there?
    Or just spewing nonsense?

    it says a lot.

    Does it? Does it really? What exactly does it say?

    Ukrainians used no live shields ... simple ...

    Kind of like Hamas using human shields. Only there are no human
    shields in Gaza, as people in that place have nowhere to go as the
    IDF continues to bomb the living daylights of them.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Friday, November 10, 2023 21:57:26
    Hello Ward,

    Nazi -- is people of a nation who do violent acts of assimilation or
    elimination, deprivation of civil rights of other nation(s).

    Bollocks, also the remainder of that message.

    Nazi is reference to an individual, not an ideology. For example,
    Vivek Ramsaswamy correctly identified the term by describing a certain
    person of interest as being a Nazi -

    "It [Ukraine) has celebrated a Nazi in its ranks. A comedian in cargo
    pants. The man called Zelenskyy. Doing it in their own ranks -- that
    is not democratic."

    Ramaswamy's point is clear - what Germany had before and during WWII
    was a cult of personality. And that is what Ukraine has now.

    Benito Mussolini coined the word fascism. And what Italy had before
    and during WWII was a real ideology, known as fascism. Had you known
    the real history of that time, you would have realized that Mussolini
    had been voted out of office and put in jail. But like most others,
    you wanted to believe in fairy tales.

    Nazism is a form of socialism where the party ascends in importance by regular elections and once they are in absolute power, laws are enacted that elections are not necessary anymore because the party acts in the benefit of all the people ... so why would you want to elect someone else ... you already have the best of everything. Aka Putin-ism.

    It is time for you to fess up. You know it. Alexander knows it.
    And everybody else in this echo knows it. Including the editor.

    Nazism (national socialism) is not a form of socialism, but rather
    a cult of personality. And we all know who that personality was.

    For the uninitiated, or those who have not kept up, presidential
    candidate Vivek Ramsswamy has filled it all in for us during a
    Republican candidates debate on Wednesday night, when he told the
    audience these words of wisdom -

    "Level with the American people here, Ukraine is not a paragon of
    democracy. This is a ccoutry that has banned 11 opposition parties.
    It has consolidated all media into one state, TV media arm -- that
    is not democratic. It has threatened not to hold elections this
    year unless the US forks over more money -- that is not democratic."
    ~ Vivek Ramaswamy, Republican Debate, 11/8/2023

    Ramaswamy also said he is "absolutely unpersuaded" by Zelenskyy's
    call for more aid.

    Haven't you heard what HATO chief Stoltenberg says many times ak>on the
    Ukraine issue? He says that NATO would provide Ukraine with weapon ain
    unlimited quantity.

    So? NATO has no foot on the ground, Russia has.

    Many members of NATO have contributed aid to Ukraine. That does
    not mean NATO is sending foot soldiers to fight in Ukraine.

    I assure you Zelensky in Ukraine also will cancel elections as ak>he has
    cancelled democracy there.

    I assure you that when this unfortunate episode comes to an end, there will
    be again elections in Ukraine and chances are that Zelensky will be voted out of office eventually ...

    That might be your wish. But hardly reflects reality. While the USA
    continued to have elections during WWII, how many other countries did?
    Go ahead. Review your history books. Then get back to me.

    The same that happened to Winston Churchill in 1945 who was voted out of office nearly immediately after WW2 ended.

    With no elections to worry about he had nothing to worry about.
    Until after the war, in which his drinking (and big mouth) caused
    him the next election.

    That's called 'democracy'.

    FDR won four straight elections for POTUS, including twice during
    WWII. So why is Zelenskyy so scared of holding elections in Ukraine?

    Putin however will remain in office until he dies, that is Nazism.

    Russia has a constitution. A constitution that allows Putin to be
    elected president until 2036. That is democracy.

    Of course, the rest of the world knows it is really Putin's body
    double who is playing the part. But nobody really minds.

    Same with Belarus, North-Korea, even the People's Republic of China nowadays.

    Belarus is not sending any foot soldiers into Ukraine.
    Neither is Rocket Man or his sister sending any foot soldiers
    into Ukraine, being more interested in developing launch pads
    in rice paddies for their nuclear program. And President Xi
    is too busy feeding pandas to worry about sending foot soldiers
    anywhere ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Sunday, November 12, 2023 04:02:48
    Hello Ward,

    My parents fought against Nazis, real Nazis. My father killed some of them ... real Nazis.

    "In honor of our great Veterans on Veteran’s Day, we pledge to you
    that we will root out the Communists, Marxists, Fascists, and Radical
    Left Thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our Country,
    lie, steal, and cheat on Elections, and will do anything possible,
    whether legally or illegally, to destroy America, and the American
    Dream. The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous,
    and grave, than the threat from within. Despite the hatred and anger
    of the Radical Left Lunatics who want to destroy our Country, we will
    MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"
    ~ Donald Trump, 2023

    "This vermin must be destroyed. The Jews are our sworn enemies, and
    at the end of this year there will not be a Jew left in Germany."
    ~ Adolf Hitler, 1939

    Is there a difference between now, and then?

    Do both men say virtually the same thing?

    You say your parents fought against Nazis. Real Nazis. You even said
    your father killed some of them. Maybe it is true. Maybe not. All we
    know is some are still amonst us today. Only with different names, in
    different places.

    Are you prepared to do your part, in today's world, with what is
    needed to be done? Our orange god told us what to do, on Veteran's
    Day, what needs to be done. Der Fuehrer told his people what to do,
    on Germany's special day what needs to be done.

    Time for Ward D. to do his own part, on Belgium's special day,
    what needs to be done.

    For Life,
    Lee

    --
    It takes a tough man to make a tender chicken

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, November 12, 2023 11:28:07
    Lee,

    Time for Ward D. to do his own part, on Belgium's special day,
    what needs to be done.

    We do not have this pre-occupation with thanking people to go overseas and murder innocents by the hundreds of thousands and shower these troops with hero-status thanking them for serving and protecting our freedoms ...

    The reality of things is that most of these military, in which-ever army they ser... ehr... operate, are just mercenaries acting on the whim of a warlord who has the money. It brings bread on the table ... Americans, Brits, Belgians, Russians, Chinese, Germans, North-Koreans, Swedes, whatever black corrupt regime in Africa ...

    "Befehl ist Befehl" ... in any language ... I have served and do not have words to describe the stupidity of the majority of the commanders.

    These guys go in the military because they're too lazy to work, to stupid to get a decent job and this whole military system is just a way to falsify the unemployment figures ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Monday, November 13, 2023 09:47:41
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 09.11.2023 13:55

    DP>>> You mean - was populated? Thousands were killed during
    DP>>> Siege. "Liberate" by killing is a very bad idea, sounds
    DP>>> like some nazi agenda, ah? :)
    ak>> The main reason why many Russian civilians in Ukraine
    ak>> refused to evacuate into the deep of Ukraine during the
    ak>> Russian troops assault is
    DP> Russia never announced that it will invade. War started without
    DP> any formal announcement.

    If you ask me I say that Putin before the February 2022 should have
    given an ultimatum to Zelensky first, with a demand to stop the civil
    war in Donbass.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Monday, November 13, 2023 09:49:46
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 09.11.2023 14:32

    ak>> The main reason why many Russian civilians in Ukraine
    ak>> refused to evacuate into the deep of Ukraine during the
    ak>> Russian troops assault is simple -- they waited for them.
    ak>> Unfortunately they were shamelessly used as a live shield
    ak>> by Ukrainian troops. Thousands died indeed, but majority
    ak>> died from the fire of Ukrainian troops.
    WD> You really are special to keep on spewing that nonsense ...
    WD> All of our independant news organizations had/have journalists
    WD> on the ground in the Ukrainian side ... they are allowed there.
    WD> No western free press allowed on the eastern side ... it says a
    WD> lot. Ukrainians used no live shields ... simple ...

    I never seen the claims of the western press that they are prohibited to
    be in Russian Donbass. It very likely your invention.

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Monday, November 13, 2023 06:55:27
    Hello, alexander!

    Monday November 13 2023 09:47, you wrote to me:

    If you ask me I say that Putin before the February 2022 should have
    given an ultimatum to Zelensky first, with a demand to stop the civil
    war in Donbass.

    Long before 2022, Putin needed to stop reading fascist philosophers, like his favorite author Ilyin (and his books like "About Russian Fascism") and discover the world of computer games, instead of sending Russians to this stupid war.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Monday, November 13, 2023 09:57:38
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 09.11.2023 18:05

    ak>> Nazi -- is people of a nation who do violent acts of assimilation
    ak>> or elimination, deprivation of civil rights of other nation(s).

    WD> Bollocks, also the remainder of that message.
    WD> Nazism is a form of socialism where the party ascends in importance

    First of all Nazism must be derived from the word "nation". And it is
    not important at all do they like Communism or Socialism of hate them.

    <skipped>
    ak>> I assure you Zelensky in Ukraine also will cancel elections as he
    ak>> has cancelled democracy there.

    WD> I assure you that when this unfortunate episode comes to an end,
    WD> there will be again elections in Ukraine and chances are that
    WD> Zelensky will be voted out of office eventually... The same that
    WD> happened to Winston Churchill in 1945 who was voted out of office
    WD> nearly immediately after WW2 ended.

    WD> That's called 'democracy'.

    Democracy, yes - to send people to die by hundred of thousands without
    asking them. Ah, well -- if the Russian regions of Ukraine would have
    been asked they could chose a wrong side! ;-)

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Monday, November 13, 2023 11:47:09
    Alexander,

    Nazism is a form of socialism where the party ascends in importance

    First of all Nazism must be derived from the word "nation". And it is
    not important at all do they like Communism or Socialism of hate them.

    Nazism is the common name for "National Socialism", it is a far-right totalitarian political ideology.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Monday, November 13, 2023 11:47:45
    Alexander,

    I never seen the claims of the western press that they are prohibited to
    be in Russian Donbass. It very likely your invention.

    They are not allowed there, simple.

    At one time a French TV-crew was allowed to accompany a mobile poll in the referendum where polling-agents were accompanied by heavily armed intimidating military forces ... it was obvious that display of "democracy" in western households did not work will with the Kremlin.

    Repeated requests by western journalists, camera-crews etc is denied in the war zone from the Russian side.

    \%/@rd

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Monday, November 13, 2023 15:44:14
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 13.11.2023 12:47

    ak>> Nazism is a form of socialism where the party ascends
    ak>> in importance First of all Nazism must be derived from the
    ak>> word "nation". And it is not important at all do they like
    ak>> Communism or Socialism of hate them.
    WD> Nazism is the common name for "National Socialism", it is a
    WD> far-right totalitarian political ideology.

    The notion "Nazism" has been distorted, very likely by the Zionist
    propaganda, so that not to get under the definition. But any person with independent thinking will admit that the definition connected with the
    word "nation" is more correct. Nazism is not necessary implies death camps.

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Monday, November 13, 2023 15:51:12
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 13.11.2023 12:47

    ak>> I never seen the claims of the western press that they are
    ak>> prohibited to be in Russian Donbass. It very likely your
    ak>> invention.

    WD> They are not allowed there, simple.

    WD> At one time a French TV-crew was allowed to accompany a mobile poll
    WD> in the referendum where polling-agents were accompanied by heavily
    WD> armed intimidating military forces... it was obvious that display
    WD> of "democracy" in western households did not work will with the
    WD> Kremlin.

    WD> Repeated requests by western journalists, camera-crews etc is
    WD> denied in the war zone from the Russian side.

    Give me the URL of this complaining. But many times I have heard that
    the western journalists were not allowed into Donbass and Crimea by the
    simple reason -- Ukraine prohibited them to go there, as they were under Russian control. From their point of view Moscow has not had the right
    to allow journalists into these territories, but Kiev has no power to
    allow it also -- it has not power to do it.

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Monday, November 13, 2023 16:15:20
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 09.11.2023 13:53

    DP>>> Are you joking? It's NOT possible to get credit in
    DP>>> Russia with voice authorization because it's very easy
    DP>>> to spoof the system - you just need to call a victim
    DP>>> and record his voice. That's why banks tried to launch
    DP>>> it several years ago and all of them failed. Just
    DP>>> google it.
    ak>> In any way you cannot make a dead person to speak with its
    ak>> own voice.
    DP> Very easy. Voice recording devices were invented many years ago
    DP> (19th century).

    You can falsify a short trivial talk, but not a person who must look
    alive and talk something.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Monday, November 13, 2023 13:26:41
    Hello, alexander!

    Monday November 13 2023 16:15, you wrote to me:

    Very easy. Voice recording devices were invented many years ago
    (19th century).

    You can falsify a short trivial talk, but not a person who must look
    alive and talk something.

    Something - what exactly? Not a single bank in Russia uses voice authorization because it's very easy to spoof.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Monday, November 13, 2023 15:51:08
    Alexander,

    Nazism is the common name for "National Socialism", it is a
    far-right totalitarian political ideology.

    The notion "Nazism" has been distorted, ...

    "Nazism" has been defined by the NSDAP ... simple.

    The regime in Kiev does not fit the description.

    The regime in Moscow does.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Monday, November 13, 2023 15:59:49
    Alexander,

    Repeated requests by western journalists, camera-crews etc is
    denied in the war zone from the Russian side.

    Give me the URL of this complaining.

    Do not change the wording, I did not use 'complaining'.

    https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2022/06/14/rusland-bant-29-britse-journalisten/

    BTW, tomorrow the sun will rise ... everybody knows that too, but if you need a URL it probably can be found.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Monday, November 13, 2023 16:16:43
    Alexander,

    Very easy. Voice recording devices were invented many years ago
    (19th century).

    You can falsify a short trivial talk, but not a person who must look
    alive and talk something.

    Modern technology is becoming good. Look at these 3 videos if you have the time and do not need to produce nonsense ... it's 100% guaranteed fake, but a lot of people believed it ...

    North Korean version of "I want to break free" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYvcdhCbzJw

    North Korean version of "Always look on the bright side of life" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifLqzLEB3E0

    North Korean version of Rammstein's "Mutter" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vQNqRV9aEg

    I hope you are familiar with the original versions and I do not need to explain ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Monday, November 13, 2023 23:47:05
    Hello Ward,

    Nazism is a form of socialism where the party ascends in importance

    First of all Nazism must be derived from the word "nation". And it is
    not important at all do they like Communism or Socialism of hate them.

    Nazism is the common name for "National Socialism", it is a far-right totalitarian political ideology.

    Far from it. It is a personality cult, plain and simple.
    Hitler himself coined the phrase "national socialism" as a means
    to confuse people what Hitlerism was all about, as we all know
    who he went after as enemies.

    I swear to God this holy oath
    that I shall render unconditional obedience
    to the Leader of the German Reich and people,
    Adolf Hitler, supreme commander of the armed forces,
    and that as a brave soldier I shall at all times be prepared
    to give my life for this oath.

    — Wehrmacht Oath of Loyalty to Adolf Hitler

    I swear: I will be faithful and obedient
    to the leader of the German Reich and people, Adolf Hitler,
    to observe the law, and to conscientiously fulfill my official duties,
    so help me God!

    — Public servants Oath to Adolf Hitler

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, November 14, 2023 00:19:28
    I swear to God this holy oath

    God is not a part of Nazism.

    \%/@rd

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Tuesday, November 14, 2023 09:04:48
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 13.11.2023 16:59

    ak>>WD> Repeated requests by western journalists,
    ak>> camera-crews etc isWD> denied in the war zone from the
    ak>> Russian side. Give me the URL of this complaining.
    WD> Do not change the wording, I did not use 'complaining'.
    WD> https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2022/06/14/rusland-bant-29-britse-j
    WD> ournalisten/ BTW, tomorrow the sun will rise ... everybody
    WD> knows that too, but if you need a URL it probably can be found.

    Well, Google translated it to me, the situation is not new. The story
    with journalists follows closely to mutual expelling diplomats, closing consulate etc. A cold war. It is an additional factor why Russia-support journalists and bloggers cannon be in Ukraine and vice versa.

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Tuesday, November 14, 2023 09:13:53
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 13.11.2023 17:16

    ak>>DP> Very easy. Voice recording devices were invented many
    ak>> years agoDP> (19th century).
    ak>> You can falsify a short trivial talk, but not a person who
    ak>> must look alive and talk something.
    WD> Modern technology is becoming good. Look at these 3 videos if
    WD> you have the time and do not need to produce nonsense ... it's
    WD> 100% guaranteed fake, but a lot of people believed it ... North
    WD> Korean version of "I want to break free"
    WD> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYvcdhCbzJw North Korean
    WD> version of "Always look on the bright side of life"
    WD> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifLqzLEB3E0 North Korean
    WD> version of Rammstein's "Mutter"
    WD> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vQNqRV9aEg I hope you are
    WD> familiar with the original versions and I do not need to explain
    WD> ...

    You didn't understand my point. I don't deny that they can make a good
    video fakes. I said that it is impossible to show a live, speaking Putin
    if he is dead. There is no technology to make fake in real time.

    PS: Although NASA like to do fakes. When I saw recently Xcargo29 docking
    with ISS I saw that NASA add fake stars to the video when it thinks that
    the picture will be more believable. ;-) Check it out:

    https://youtu.be/ltznHSynSXU

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Tuesday, November 14, 2023 11:01:13
    Alexander,

    You didn't understand my point. I don't deny that they can make a good video fakes. I said that it is impossible to show a live, speaking Putin
    if he is dead. There is no technology to make fake in real time.

    Get real ... there is a theatre in London where you can attend real Abba shows, it sells out every night ... pretty expensive too.

    And Elvis Pressly still performs on stage ... he was in "America got talent".

    \%/@rd

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Tuesday, November 14, 2023 11:04:11
    Alexander,

    Well, Google translated it to me, the situation is not new. The story
    with journalists follows closely to mutual expelling diplomats, closing consulate etc. A cold war. It is an additional factor why Russia-support journalists and bloggers cannon be in Ukraine and vice versa.

    I translated it too to see what it looks like in another language. But you wanted a URL. But I do get that you need an online translator to read foreign language texts ... If you can't directly read the language, there's so much that gets lost.

    During our live broadcasts however our own national, pretty respected, journalists have been actually denied to go to the conflict arena and report live from the Russian side ... French TV ... Dutch TV ... Belgian TV ...

    I'm pretty certain Russia has also access to all the media reports from the Ukrainian side ... but probably the Russian people don't ... they have no clue what it is to have a free press, to publically call your head of government an asshole and not get arrested, we can call it a war while using the word in your country may land you in jail ...

    You are the subject of probably the most grossly inflated destruction of free press, free news and are the victim of intimidation and propaganda to such extents the world has never seen. Even Goebbels would look up in awe seeing what is possible now in Russia ....

    When North-Korea and Iran become your political allies, even you must realize there is seriously something wrong. You may be stupid, but you definitely are not dumb.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Tuesday, November 14, 2023 23:35:38
    Hello Ward,

    I swear to God this holy oath

    God is not a part of Nazism.

    The Hitler Oath was recited by both soldiers and civilians alike.
    Actually, two different versions. But to the same Fuhrer.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Oath


    This law took effect in July 1935. Both versions are included in
    the above link, the original German as well as English translations.

    After swearing the oath, soldiers and civilians broke out in song
    with the first stanza of Deutschland Uber Alles, along with Horst
    Wiessel-Lied. The original German, and several translations can
    be found at this link -

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst-Wiessel-Lied


    In 2003, a high school band played Horst Wissel-Lied, along with
    displaying the Nazi Flag, at a football game. It did not end well,
    as can be imagined.

    I do not believe the kids were able to sing the song in German.

    For Life,
    Lee

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, November 15, 2023 00:33:40
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Oath

    If you were knowledgeable in the matter, you would not need WikiPedia to prove a point.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Wednesday, November 15, 2023 04:38:21
    Hello, alexander!

    Tuesday November 14 2023 09:13, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

    PS: Although NASA like to do fakes. When I saw recently Xcargo29
    docking with ISS I saw that NASA add fake stars to the video when it thinks that the picture will be more believable. ;-) Check it out:

    https://youtu.be/ltznHSynSXU

    You need to wait for feedback in RU.SPACE before spreading fake news ;)

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Wednesday, November 15, 2023 12:13:05
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 15.11.2023 07:38

    ak>> PS: Although NASA like to do fakes. When I saw recently
    ak>> Xcargo29 docking with ISS I saw that NASA add fake stars to
    ak>> the video when it thinks that the picture will be more
    ak>> believable. ;-) Check it out:https://youtu.be/ltznHSynSXU
    DP> You need to wait for feedback in RU.SPACE before spreading fake
    DP> news ;)

    Fake news about NASA's fake live report. Cool. ;-)

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Wednesday, November 15, 2023 11:02:37
    Fake news about NASA's fake live report. Cool. ;-)

    By a fake participant here .... Kewl ...

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Wednesday, November 15, 2023 11:13:16
    Hello, alexander!

    Wednesday November 15 2023 12:13, you wrote to me:

    You need to wait for feedback in RU.SPACE before spreading fake
    news ;)

    Fake news about NASA's fake live report. Cool. ;-)

    You've already got very detailed explanation in RU.SPACE, do you really think that your lame comment deserves a discussion in FIDONEWS? :)


    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Wednesday, November 15, 2023 15:42:35
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 15.11.2023 14:13

    DP>>> You need to wait for feedback in RU.SPACE before
    DP>>> spreading fake news ;)
    ak>> Fake news about NASA's fake live report. Cool. ;-)
    DP> You've already got very detailed explanation in RU.SPACE, do
    DP> you really think that your lame comment deserves a discussion
    DP> in FIDONEWS? :)

    I read your naive explanation, but doesn't cost a cent. The proof that
    the video is not a simulation is easy -- the camera on the ISS was fixed
    and the astronaut, who took the video, constantly and irregularly
    corrected the camera direction when the spaceship left camera field of
    vision. It would not have been the case in the case of simulation.

    PS: read more about Sherlock Sholmes! ;-)

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Wednesday, November 15, 2023 12:58:24
    Hello, alexander!

    Wednesday November 15 2023 15:42, you wrote to me:

    I read your naive explanation, but doesn't cost a cent. The proof that
    the video is not a simulation is easy -- the camera on the ISS was

    You cut some random part of NASA stream without even understanding what's going on there.

    fixed and the astronaut, who took the video, constantly and
    irregularly corrected the camera direction when the spaceship left
    camera field of vision. It would not have been the case in the case of simulation.

    I've sent you link to this simulation, it's available online. Looks like you've been busy reading Putin's speeches so had no time to vist it ;)

    PS: read more about Sherlock Sholmes! ;-)

    Who is he? :)

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Thursday, November 16, 2023 08:48:37
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 15.11.2023 15:58

    ak>> fixed and the astronaut, who took the video, constantly and
    ak>> irregularly corrected the camera direction when the
    ak>> spaceship left camera field of vision. It would not have
    ak>> been the case in the case of simulation.
    DP> I've sent you link to this simulation, it's available online.
    DP> Looks like you've been busy reading Putin's speeches so had no
    DP> time to vist it ;)

    Ha-ha-ha! You accused the American prorgammers that they do space
    simulations where stars are seen through spaceships. Hardly someone can humiliate them more. ;-))

    ak>> PS: read more about Sherlock Sholmes! ;-)
    DP> Who is he? :)

    I assure you detectives are better than pornography. ;)

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Thursday, November 16, 2023 15:40:27
    Hello Alexander,

    You need to wait for feedback in RU.SPACE before
    spreading fake news ;)
    Fake news about NASA's fake live report. Cool. ;-)
    You've already got very detailed explanation in RU.SPACE, do
    you really think that your lame comment deserves a discussion
    in FIDONEWS? :)

    I read your naive explanation, but doesn't cost a cent. The proof that
    the video is not a simulation is easy -- the camera on the ISS was fixed and the astronaut, who took the video, constantly and irregularly corrected the camera direction when the spaceship left camera field of vision. It would not have been the case in the case of simulation.

    The other day an astronaut on board the ISS mishandled a very
    expensive piece of equipment (valued at over $100K) and it tumbled
    out of the exit into space. Video was shown of this event, so there
    was no question the item will soon burn up and be lost forever.

    However, all is not as it seems when it comes to NASA. For example,
    the tall tale about men walking on the Moon and returning to Earth ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Thursday, November 16, 2023 15:40:44
    Hello Ward,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Oath

    If you were knowledgeable in the matter, you would not need WikiPedia to prove a point.

    It's the only German fit to print.

    For Life,
    Lee

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