Björn Felten wrote to All <=-
Did you hear about the 17yo girl that was criminally charged with
a horrendous crime after an *anonymous* tip. The tip led to a
request from the prosecutor to get her private messages (DMs)
from Facebook, and they were happy to oblige. This then led to
further confiscating phones and laptops.
So, make sure that you don't post anything sensitive on social
media. Snitches are all around you, filled with envy and hate.
Even someone that you consider to be your best friend. Just like
in the former DDR.
Now then, where does this poor girl live? In Russia, China or
North Korea? Nope! She lives in Nebraska USA. And her horrendous
crime was that she had taken an abortion pill three weeks after
the "legal" 20 weeks...
Now then, where does this poor girl live? In Russia, China or
North Korea? Nope! She lives in Nebraska USA. And her horrendous
crime was that she had taken an abortion pill three weeks after
the "legal" 20 weeks...
It must suck to be so insanely obsessed with another country. You live
in Sweden, but all you ever think about is the USA.
It must suck to be so insanely obsessed with another country. You live
in Sweden, but all you ever think about is the USA.
You're pathetic. Fuck off, loser.
Ward Dossche wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Now then, where does this poor girl live? In Russia, China or
North Korea? Nope! She lives in Nebraska USA. And her horrendous
crime was that she had taken an abortion pill three weeks after
the "legal" 20 weeks...
It must suck to be so insanely obsessed with another country. You live
in Sweden, but all you ever think about is the USA.
Well ... hmmmm ... maybe you could find an example how human
rights are trashed in Sweden and pay him back?
Start looking, when you find something let us know...
Nick Andre wrote to Dan Clough <=-
On 10 Aug 22 18:45:00, Dan Clough said the following to Bj*Rn
Felten:
It must suck to be so insanely obsessed with another country. You live
in Sweden, but all you ever think about is the USA.
He's just coming off the high of others celebrating his recent
birthday apparently.
My message-bases go back to 2003. Anytime the meatball receives
even the most trivial of compliments he quickly posts the usual
love letters to the USA. Every. Single. Time.
I actually wish him a fantastic birthday as well... one more year
counting towards his inevitable conclusion. Sucks that it can't
happen quick enough.
It must suck to be so insanely obsessed with another country. You live
in Sweden, but all you ever think about is the USA.
If he's so concerned about human rights, where are his messages
insulting China, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc etc etc...?
That's in a nutshell why I am concerned about what has been taking place in the USA, that I used to love, in the last two decades.
That wasn't my point, and you know it.
If he's so concerned about human rights, where are his messages
insulting China, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc etc etc...?
Yeah, that's right. There aren't any. That's because *HIS* point
wasn't about human rights, either. It was just another cheap shot opportunity to poke at the USA. He's obsessed with finding fault with
the USA, and you know it as well as I do.
It sure is interesting how you feel the need to defend him at every
chance given. I wonder why that is.
On the contrary, he's a frequent former USA-traveller and in a good positio to judge different systems. Even my 12yr old granddaughter who was with me
Björn Felten wrote to Dan Clough <=-
If he's so concerned about human rights, where are his messages
insulting China, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc etc etc...?
They pose no threat to the rest of the world. A fascist USA
will.
Just like a movement in Germany a century ago, the
neo-fascists in the USA are appealing to the lowest of human
instincts, xenophobia and nationalism, spreading hatred against
socialism and liberalism as well as scientists.
A Nazi USA would make Nazi Germany seem like a North Korea in comparison. The world's only hope is that many enough of the US
people can connect the dots and put a stop to the frightening
development in the mighty USA and it's dream of world domination.
That's in a nutshell why I am concerned about what has been
taking place in the USA, that I used to love, in the last two
decades.
Ward Dossche wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Hi Dan,
That wasn't my point, and you know it.
Well, I'm not sure what your point is, but is the information
which Bjorn passed around incorrect?
The event simply is headlined in Europe, front page in newspapers
kinda style ... gossiping about a girlfriend, snitching to the
authorities and reporting someone indeed is what was being done
in the DDR of old, and the USSR, and (I'm sorry Godwin) Nazi
Germany.
Facebook assisting the authorities in catching criminals I can
live with, but you must be a pretty dumb criminal to use
Messenger for illegal activities. In this case there's a
frightened young girl who wants to walk away from something which
spells 'disaster' for the remainder of her life and people like
Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas et al have no business what goes on
in a woman's belly. If only the female justices would be involved
it would be 3-1 in favour of 'Roe vs Wade' ... and that says a
lot.
Yes, we are shocked by such decisions in a country which is
supposed to be the beacon of freedom and democracy.
We are also shocked that a governing body such as the US Supreme
Court can be composed so unbalanced and is not ashamed to push
through a political agenda. Even Americans are shocked. Last week
I was in DC and the only building that was protected by
riot-barriers and police was the Supreme Court ...
How can it be that a body of 9 justices, whatever the majority,
in 1973 decides that state laws banning abortion are
unconstitutional and 49 years later decide that it "is"
constitutional without a single letter in that constitution
having been changed ... pure ridiculous ... party-political and
religious driven in a country which prides itself of the
separation between church and state.
If he's so concerned about human rights, where are his messages
insulting China, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc etc etc...?
I think he has, maybe not in echoes which you read.
Yeah, that's right. There aren't any. That's because *HIS* point
wasn't about human rights, either. It was just another cheap shot opportunity to poke at the USA. He's obsessed with finding fault with
the USA, and you know it as well as I do.
On the contrary, he's a frequent former USA-traveller and in a
good position to judge different systems. Even my 12yr old
granddaughter who was with me in DC wondered often aloud "Are
they nuts in the USA?" and that was when we were talking about
healthcare, retirement, education, LGBT-rights, abortion, privacy
... 12 years and unpolluted by life ...
It sure is interesting how you feel the need to defend him at every
chance given. I wonder why that is.
Him and I have fought some battles in the past and bear the scars
to prove it. Museums of such battle-relics exist. And I respect
an opponent who has made considerable contributions to Fidonet
even though my mouth hurts when saying it. Not once when I
approached him have I come home empty-handed.
Bjorn is not an idiot, he's pretty intelligent and brilliant in
his own way and I like people like that. There are others, take
Michiel for instance ... we can have our differences but his
intelligence must be recognized. In his statements Michiel is
often right, and so is Bjorn.
Years ago during one of the scenes of The Simpsons, Bart was
writing on the blackboard "Being right sucks" ... the truth ...
and the truth often hurts.
Let me tell you something silly ... your ZC as free unlimited
access to the Z2 sysop-echo, writing rights and everything. I
think it's a great principle. When I request access to Z1C it
can't be done because the consituency feels I defend Bjorn and
that's unacceptable ... pathetic ... certainly when you realise
these restricted echoes can be freely read on BBS-es.
Nick Andre wrote to Ward Dossche <=-positio
On 11 Aug 22 11:36:28, Ward Dossche said the following to Dan
Clough:
On the contrary, he's a frequent former USA-traveller and in a good
to judge different systems. Even my 12yr old granddaughter who was with me
Nobody here really gives a shit about the opinions of America
from foreigners.
Its the way that Bjorn and yourself to a certain extent -
criticise America in a way that implies that American Sysops (A)
Really give two shits about and/or (B) Are in some sort of
position to overthrow the current political system for something
else.
And (C) It reads as if American Sysops are idiots that should all
bow to the superior intellect/wisdom of those across the pond.
The Z1C echo... man... *again* with this nonsense. I revoked my
access this morning to Enet.Sysop. I'm finished with this nonstop
shit about how I'm supposed to reciprocate.
I don't have to do a fucking thing for anyone.
Did you hear about the 17yo girl that was criminally charged with a horrendous crime after an *anonymous* tip. The tip led to a request from the prosecutor to get her private messages (DMs) from Facebook, and they were happy to oblige. This then led to further confiscating phones and laptops.
Your lack of empathy with the poor girl is deafening. I guess your obsession with me is clouding your judgement.
Maybe it's because they live in such tiny little insignificant
countries, and are trying to "make up" for their inadequacies. Kinda
like a small-penis huge lifted pickup truck, or the way a small dog acts like a tough guy. Regardless of the reasons, their pompous attitudes
and holier-than-thou thinking is pretty irritating.
You should look into the a little further... apparently her and her
mother aborted her baby... without a DR... Burned the baby... put it in
a grave.... dug it back up to burn it some more and put it back in the ground...
You should look into the a little further... apparently her and her mother aborted her baby... without a DR... Burned the baby... put it a grave.... dug it back up to burn it some more and put it back in th ground...
You forgot that they finally ate the now well done baby. With French fries, ketchup and mustard.
IB Joe wrote to Björn Felten <=-
On 10 Aug 2022, Björn Felten said the following...
Did you hear about the 17yo girl that was criminally charged with a horrendous crime after an *anonymous* tip. The tip led to a request from the prosecutor to get her private messages (DMs) from Facebook, and they were happy to oblige. This then led to further confiscating phones and laptops.
You should look into the a little further... apparently her and
her mother aborted her baby... without a DR... Burned the baby...
put it in a grave.... dug it back up to burn it some more and put
it back in the ground...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P0QRXth_bQ
You should look into the a little further... apparently her and her mother
aborted her baby... without a DR... Burned the baby... put it in a grave.... dug it back up to burn it some more and put it back in the ground...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P0QRXth_bQ
She murdered a baby... tried to conceal what she did....
IB Joe wrote to Björn Felten <=-
On 10 Aug 2022, Björn Felten said the following...
Did you hear about the 17yo girl that was criminally charged with a horrendous crime after an *anonymous* tip. The tip led to a request f the prosecutor to get her private messages (DMs) from Facebook, and t were happy to oblige. This then led to further confiscating phones an laptops.
You should look into the a little further... apparently her and
her mother aborted her baby... without a DR... Burned the baby...
put it in a grave.... dug it back up to burn it some more and put
it back in the ground...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P0QRXth_bQ
Well, well, well. Isn't that interesting. I guess that wasn't on your front page headlines over there in Euro-commie land, eh Beeorn?
What say you now, Beeorn? Any change of tune now that some actual facts have come to light? You still think this "poor girl" did nothing wrong? How about the probability that her mother's boyfriend is the father of this murdered baby? Do you think maybe the fucking police were
justified in (legally) acquiring evidence about what this insane family actually did?
It wasn't a simple case of abortion. Stick that up your ass and smoke it, Beeorn.
Young women should have a choice and healthy options in a situation like hers.
Alan Ianson wrote to IB Joe <=-
You should look into the a little further... apparently her and her mother aborted her baby... without a DR... Burned the baby... put it in a grave.... dug it back up to burn it some more and put it back in the ground...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P0QRXth_bQ
Who is this Salty Cracker you are following? ;)
She did abort her baby at 23 weeks. That's one thing.
That doesn't change what the authorities (and facebook) are
doing.
Young women should have a choice and healthy options in a
situation like hers.
On 11 Aug 22 11:54:09, Alan Ianson said the following to Ib Joe:
Young women should have a choice and healthy options in a situation like hers.
They already do. They can take a gamble with current birth control methods
or for 100% effectiveness, keep their legs shut.
That "healthy choice" being spoken of... well, I dunno about you but theres something extremely disturbing as a father to learn about this type of medical procedure or studying the first-hand account of what actually happens during that "healthy choice". It is far more graphic and invasive than any horror movie or novel a person could watch or read, and no woman is really left the same afterwards. Many women are psychologically scarred for life or affected emotionally in ways no man could ever understand. Not exactly "healthy"...
Who is this Salty Cracker you are following? ;)
I never heard of him either, but he does have 784K followers. :)
She did abort her baby at 23 weeks. That's one thing.
Which is an illegal act, even before the recent Roe V Wade change.
That doesn't change what the authorities (and facebook) are
doing.
Correct, they were investigating a crime.
Young women should have a choice and healthy options in a
situation like hers.
She had at least TWO choices and healthy options - have the baby (and
keep it), or have the baby and give it up for adoption.
Instead she broke the law and murdered a baby. Hopefully she (and the others involved) get some jail time for it.
Now then, where does this poor girl live? In Russia, China or North Korea? Nope! She lives in Nebraska USA. And her horrendous crime wasI know some women are going to take it, only thing id like to see is them getting medical moinitoring from their local medical professionals, so no complications happen.
that she had taken an abortion pill three weeks after the "legal" 20 weeks...
You and me both are here because someone had a baby.
She murdered a baby... tried to conceal what she did....
She had at least TWO choices and healthy options - have the baby (and
keep it), or have the baby and give it up for adoption.
Humans are sexual animals. They just are. They have sex because they are programmed that way.
I think women have a right to advice and healthy choices although that may not be the case everywhere.
You and me both are here because someone had a baby.
So aliens play no role?
Humans are sexual animals. They just are. They have sex because they are programmed that way.
Absolving any and all personal responsibility?
I think women have a right to advice and healthy choices although that
may not be the case everywhere.
Fine with me. Read exactly what happens during an abortion procedure and come back to me with your take on how healthy it is. "Look it up" you
used to say.
And Facebook spilling personal messages..... PPPPPPPPPPPFFFFFFFFFFFFFT.
People "know" or should know what they're in for when they sign up with a company with a sole business to harvest personal data. No sympathy at all. Actually a fine example of that "untrustworthy American capitalism" certain morons love to whine about.
Who is this Salty Cracker you are following? ;)
She did abort her baby at 23 weeks. That's one thing.
That doesn't change what the authorities (and facebook) are doing.
Young women should have a choice and healthy options in a situation like hers.
IB Joe wrote to Björn Felten:
She murdered a baby... tried to conceal what she did....
No, you are using the wrong word. She had an abortion, that was a choice she made.
Joe,
She murdered a baby... tried to conceal what she did....
Hmmmm ...
1) Foetuses are viable somewhere after the 24th week completes. Up until that moment it isn't a live person, hence cannot be murdered;
2) The foetus was aborted, you cannot murder a foetus;
3) Granted, it was in a very late stage I read. In this coutry 20 months is the cut-off date. After that one needs a very good medical reason;
4) If they wanted to go through with this, it could have happened at an
earlier moment. So why did it take so much time? ... I don't know.
That's the medical / legal approach and the latter sucks in a country where judges can be elected and also be political appointees.
The real issue here for me is how Facebook / Meta deals with privacy ... divulges private messages between two individuals.
That's not so unrealistic ... I think.
\%/@rd
Ward Dossche wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Hi Dan,
That wasn't my point, and you know it.
Well, I'm not sure what your point is, but is the information which
Bjorn passed around incorrect?
The event simply is headlined in Europe, front page in newspapers kinda style ... gossiping about a girlfriend, snitching to the authorities
and reporting someone indeed is what was being done in the DDR of old,
and the USSR, and (I'm sorry Godwin) Nazi Germany.
Nick Andre wrote to Dan Clough <=-
All of them are gone now bit the anti-American echochamber remains, because really one person over there just can't get over himself. And
gets a pass, a nice pat on the back from certain others, no matter how
bad it looks when newcomers or returning Sysops look at it with disdain that "nothings changed".
Björn Felten wrote to Dan Clough <=-
They pose no threat to the rest of the world. A fascist USA will.
Just like a movement in Germany a century ago, the neo-fascists in
the USA are appealing to the lowest of human instincts, xenophobia and nationalism, spreading hatred against socialism and liberalism as well
as scientists.
A Nazi USA would make Nazi Germany seem like a North Korea in comparison. The world's only hope is that many enough of the US people
can connect the dots and put a stop to the frightening development in
the mighty USA and it's dream of world domination.
Ward, I see that you are not from the US so you might not understand full what has happened here....
Alan Ianson wrote to Dan Clough <=-
She did abort her baby at 23 weeks. That's one thing.
Which is an illegal act, even before the recent Roe V Wade change.
Yes, that what they keep telling me.
That doesn't change what the authorities (and facebook) are doing.
Correct, they were investigating a crime.
If facebook can divulge this young ladies private messages with
her mother (or anyone else) they can divulge mine and yours too.
I have a problem with that and it has nothing to do with a womans
choice (or lack thereof).
Young women should have a choice and healthy options in a
situation like hers.
She had at least TWO choices and healthy options - have the baby (and
keep it), or have the baby and give it up for adoption.
That much is obvious. People have babies all the time.
You and me both are here because someone had a baby.
There is no need for senators, congressmen or law makers. People
can do this and they do it all the time.
Instead she broke the law and murdered a baby. Hopefully she (and the others involved) get some jail time for it.
She did not murder a baby, she had an abortion. That was a choice
she made for herself. I don't think that makes her a murderer.
Ward Dossche wrote to Dan Clough <=-
She had at least TWO choices and healthy options - have the baby (and
keep it), or have the baby and give it up for adoption.
Whatever happens to the female's body after she gets pregnant, is
totally up to the female, not to a group of grumpy old men and
religious nut-cases who were not appointed because of their
medical knowledge but because of their political record in
handling cases.
The law is the law, and it doesn't matter if a judge is left
right or center leaning.
And Clarence Thomas should never have become a justice at the
supreme court in the first place. He was picked because of his
colour and his conservative record, should've kept his hands off
of Anita Hill, didn't even recluse himself ...
Ward Dossche wrote to IB Joe <=-
She murdered a baby... tried to conceal what she did....
1) Foetuses are viable somewhere after the 24th week completes.
Up until that
moment it isn't a live person, hence cannot be murdered;
3) Granted, it was in a very late stage I read. In this coutry 20
months is
the cut-off date. After that one needs a very good medical
reason;
The real issue here for me is how Facebook / Meta deals with
privacy ... divulges private messages between two individuals.
Alan Ianson wrote to Nick Andre <=-
Fine with me. Read exactly what happens during an abortion procedure and come back to me with your take on how healthy it is. "Look it up" you
used to say.
This is why abortion should not be illegal. Women need advice and
healthy choices. If abortion is illegal women are left with
unsafe choices.
And Facebook spilling personal messages..... PPPPPPPPPPPFFFFFFFFFFFFFT.
People "know" or should know what they're in for when they sign up with a company with a sole business to harvest personal data. No sympathy at all. Actually a fine example of that "untrustworthy American capitalism" certain morons love to whine about.
I agree with that wholly.
Still, I don't think facebook or other social media sites should
divulge a persons private messages.
She did not murder a baby, she had an abortion. That was a choice she
made for herself. I don't think that makes her a murderer.
Salty is just a YouTuber... Just can't seem to get seem to get a regular journalist to pony up....
This was prior to Roe getting overturned ... Her mother should have
drove her to a state that do late term abortion and or infanticide...
There were legal and safe ways of doing things... They chose the
messed up way.
Well, I'm not sure what your point is, but is the information which Bjorn passed around incorrect?
He didn't include a link, so how would we know?
1) Foetuses are viable somewhere after the 24th week completes. Up until that moment it isn't a live person, hence cannot be murdered;
2) The foetus was aborted, you cannot murder a foetus;
... and will only abandon
their (not really) neutrality once it becomes obvious that the Nazi USA will lose?
Thanks for sharing your *OPINION*. It does not match up against current USA law, no matter how much you wring your hands and stomp the floor.
1) Foetuses are viable somewhere after the 24th week completes.
Up until that
moment it isn't a live person, hence cannot be murdered;
That's somewhat of a blurry line, which is clearly debateable.
Easily answered: They do it when legally ordered to by a valid warrant/subpoena by a law enforcement agency. Quite simple, really. I honestly can't understand how people don't grasp this.
This is why abortion should not be illegal. Women need advice and healthy choices. If abortion is illegal women are left with
unsafe choices.
You keep forgetting that they ALWAYS have a safe choice: Have the baby and give it up for adoption.
Still, I don't think facebook or other social media sites should divulge a persons private messages.
Even when served with a valid warrant/subpoena by law enforcement to do so? What other actual choice would they have?
She did not murder a baby, she had an abortion. That was a choice she made for herself. I don't think that makes her a murderer.
"I don't think" is the most important part of your post. This is an ethical and moral question.
I think it sounds like you're morally bankrupt given your last few posts here.
There's potentially room for debate, but blind support for everyone
who has an abortion, even one done illegally and gruesomely, is pretty messed up.
The real issue here for me is how Facebook / Meta deals with
privacy ... divulges private messages between two individuals.
Easily answered: They do it when legally ordered to by a valid warrant/subpoena by a law enforcement agency. Quite simple, really. I honestly can't understand how people don't grasp this.
Why does facebook keep records of people's private messages? Is that normal Is that acceptable?
On 11 Aug 22 17:39:41, Alan Ianson said the following to Dan Clough:
Why does facebook keep records of people's private messages? Is thatnormal? Is that acceptable?
Its been normal since the Patriot Act and Prism.
If one doesn't want trouble... one shouldn't go looking for it.
Why does facebook keep records of people's private messages? Is that normal?
Is that acceptable?
Before you start throwing around words like infanacide around you should learn what they mean. Someone might mistake you for a republican.
Not everyone has the means to travel to another state or country for medical care.
Every person (man or woman) should be able to get quality medical care in their state.
Well, it seems that the good guys are getting ahead of the bad
guys.
Some background information to those who still don't understand how important the present struggle in the USA is, including of course all
the MAGA idiot fascists:
The US LEA raided Trump's "home" because they were convinced that
there would still be sensitive documents, removed from the White House there. They had already been given 15 boxes of documents *illegally*
moved to Florida, but after analysing those, found out that there must
be more there. I repeat, highly classified documents.
Ward Dossche wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Thanks for sharing your *OPINION*. It does not match up against current USA law, no matter how much you wring your hands and stomp the floor.
The Supreme Court recently decided, majority versus minority,
that there is "NO" USA law covering abortion.
Ward Dossche wrote to Dan Clough <=-
1) Foetuses are viable somewhere after the 24th week completes.
Up until that
moment it isn't a live person, hence cannot be murdered;
That's somewhat of a blurry line, which is clearly debateable.
Not at all. My youngest daughter is a delivery nurse and she put
in over 2 years of neo-natal care, I first checked before writing
the above. Younger than 24 weeks a fetus is not viable and if it
even survives childbirth will not make it. Starting at 24 full
weeks there's a lower odds fighting chance. I've seen my daughter
come home often enough when they again lost a fetus younger than
24 weeks. Pretty emotional. And my other daughter lost one at 22
weeks, probably induced by Covid19 in 2020 the same day I was hospitalized.
Easily answered: They do it when legally ordered to by a valid warrant/subpoena by a law enforcement agency. Quite simple, really. I honestly can't understand how people don't grasp this.
This is going to be an interesting lawsuit.
The subpoena/warrant will be thrown out as it was issued in
Nebraska to retrieve data stored in a data-warehouse in
California where no law was broken...remember, the SCOTUS turned
it over to the states.
I will already start writing my "Told you so" message ...
hopefully I'll remember where I stored it.
Stay safe, enjoy the week-end.
Alan Ianson wrote to Dan Clough <=-
This is why abortion should not be illegal. Women need advice and healthy choices. If abortion is illegal women are left with
unsafe choices.
You keep forgetting that they ALWAYS have a safe choice: Have the baby and give it up for adoption.
I have not forgotten. Yes, I agree those are good options but
they may not be feasible in every case.
Still, I don't think facebook or other social media sites should divulge a persons private messages.
Even when served with a valid warrant/subpoena by law enforcement to do so? What other actual choice would they have?
If facebook did get a warrant/subpoena from the authorities then
facebook had no choice in the matter.
I don't think a warrant/subpeona was justified in this case, or
it's use justified.
Why does facebook keep records of people's private messages? Is
that normal? Is that acceptable?
Alan Ianson wrote to IB Joe <=-
There were legal and safe ways of doing things... They chose the
messed up way.
Not everyone has the means to travel to another state or country
for medical care.
Every person (man or woman) should be able to get quality medical
care in their state.
Nick Andre wrote to Dan Clough <=-
The real issue here for me is how Facebook / Meta deals with
privacy ... divulges private messages between two individuals.
Easily answered: They do it when legally ordered to by a valid warrant/subpoena by a law enforcement agency. Quite simple, really. I honestly can't understand how people don't grasp this.
Me neither. Sign up for any social media, you accept all their
terms, accept consequences, accept chances of them being hacked,
leaking messages, folding witout question the moment someone from
law enforcement flashes their badge, the whole noise over the
Patriot Act, Prism, Snowden etc...
Its exhausting hearing about how we're all to feel sorry for
Darwin behavior.
The only people "at fault" here are the 2-3 people who apparently used FB/Messenger to discuss the killing of a baby.
The US LEA raided Trump's "home" because they were convinced that
Funny I thought it was the FBI.
Oh! Okay! I didn't realize you were a doctor *AND* a lawyer.
Impressive.
You're pathetic. Fuck off, loser.
She murdered a baby... tried to conceal what she did....
No, you are using the wrong word. She had an abortion, that was a choice she
made.
You should look into the a little further... apparently her and hermother
aborted her baby... without a DR... Burned the baby... put it in a
grave.... dug it back up to burn it some more and put it back in the
ground...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P0QRXth_bQ
Who is this Salty Cracker you are following? ;)
She did abort her baby at 23 weeks. That's one thing.
That doesn't change what the authorities (and facebook) are doing.
Young women should have a choice and healthy options in a situation like hers.
herYou should look into the a little further... apparently her and
put itmother aborted her baby... without a DR... Burned the baby...
in tha grave.... dug it back up to burn it some more and put it back
ground...
You forgot that they finally ate the now well done baby. WithFrench
fries, ketchup and mustard.
It does not change the facts
Your lack of empathy with the poor girl is deafening. I guess your
obsession with me is clouding your judgement.
She murdered a baby... tried to conceal what she did....
Thank you for taking the time to write such a long reply to me. I do
not have the time, nor the motivation, to attempt to address each point you made. I'll just say that if you don't live here, you don't *REALLY* know what's going on, and leave it at that. There is no need to worry about the USA, we've got it.
That wasn't my point, and you know it.
Well, I'm not sure what your point is, but is the information which Bjorn passed around incorrect?
The event simply is headlined in Europe, front page in newspapers kinda style ... gossiping about a girlfriend, snitching to the authorities and reporting someone indeed is what was being done in the DDR of old, and the USSR, and (I'm sorry Godwin) Nazi Germany.
Facebook assisting the authorities in catching criminals I can live with, but you must be a pretty dumb criminal to use Messenger for illegal activities. In this case there's a frightened young girl who wants to walk away from something which spells 'disaster' for the remainder of her life and people like Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas et al have no business what goes on in a woman's belly. If only the female justices would be involved it would be 3-1 in favour of 'Roe vs Wade' .. and that says a lot.
Yes, we are shocked by such decisions in a country which is supposed to be the beacon of freedom and democracy.
We are also shocked that a governing body such as the US Supreme Court can be composed so unbalanced and is not ashamed to push through a political agenda. Even Americans are shocked. Last week I was in DC and the only building that was protected by riot-barriers and police was the Supreme Court ...
How can it be that a body of 9 justices, whatever the majority, in 1973 decides that state laws banning abortion are unconstitutional and 49 years later decide that it "is" constitutional without a single letter in that constitution having been changed ...
pure ridiculous ...
party-political and religious driven in a country which prides itself of the
separation between church and state.
If he's so concerned about human rights, where are his messages
insulting China, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc etc etc...?
I think he has, maybe not in echoes which you read.
Yeah, that's right. There aren't any. That's because *HIS* point
wasn't about human rights, either. It was just another cheap shot
opportunity to poke at the USA. He's obsessed with finding fault with
the USA, and you know it as well as I do.
On the contrary, he's a frequent former USA-traveller and in a good position
to judge different systems. Even my 12yr old granddaughter who was with me in DC wondered often aloud "Are they nuts in the USA?" and that was when we
were talking about healthcare, retirement, education, LGBT-rights, abortion, privacy ... 12 years and unpolluted by life ...
It sure is interesting how you feel the need to defend him at every
chance given. I wonder why that is.
Him and I have fought some battles in the past and bear the scars to prove it. Museums of such battle-relics exist. And I respect an opponent who has made considerable contributions to Fidonet even though my mouth hurts when saying it. Not once when I approached him have I come home empty-handed.
Bjorn is not an idiot, he's pretty intelligent and brilliant in his own way
and I like people like that. There are others, take Michiel for instance ... we can have our differences but his intelligence must be recognized. In
his statements Michiel is often right, and so is Bjorn.
Years ago during one of the scenes of The Simpsons, Bart was writing on the
blackboard "Being right sucks" ... the truth ... and the truth often hurts.
Let me tell you something silly ... your ZC as free unlimited access to the
Z2 sysop-echo, writing rights and everything. I think it's a great principle. When I request access to Z1C it can't be done because the consituency feels I defend Bjorn and that's unacceptable ... pathetic .. certainly when you realise these restricted echoes can be freely read on BBS-es.
Its exhausting hearing about how we're all to feel sorry for
Darwin behavior.
Agreed. It's all part of the "woke" culture bullshit.
Sweden is on the more free side of things.
Is it? There have been 40,000+ attempts to amend the US Constitution,
and only 27 successful amendments being ratified, since 1791.
What is your country's batting average?
There are many fine restaurants here, representing many lands, but
none that I know of that serve fermented herring.
Why should any echo be restricted? Transparency should rule all
of Fidonet. After all, what do sysops from any zone have to hide?
Ward Dossche wrote to IB Joe <=-
That's the medical / legal approach and the latter sucks in a country where judges can be elected and also be political appointees.
Ward Dossche wrote to Dan Clough <=-
And Clarence Thomas should never have become a justice at the supreme court in the first place. He was picked because of his colour and his conservative record, should've kept his hands off of Anita Hill, didn't even recluse himself ...
Ward Dossche wrote to Mike Powell <=-
Mike,
... and will only abandon
their (not really) neutrality once it becomes obvious that the Nazi USA will lose?
You may have missed it, but Sweden actually gave up its neutrality in
view of the war in Ukraine which some people are not calling a
war...They applied for NATO membership.
All of the above is irrelevant, and you did not address what I said
*AT* *ALL*. Want to try again?
Alan Ianson wrote to IB Joe <=-
IB Joe wrote to Alan Ianson:
Salty is just a YouTuber... Just can't seem to get seem to get a regular journalist to pony up....
Yeah. Maybe there is no story.
This was prior to Roe getting overturned ... Her mother should have
drove her to a state that do late term abortion and or infanticide...
Before you start throwing around words like infanacide around you
should learn what they mean. Someone might mistake you for a
republican.
Why does facebook keep records of people's private messages? Is that normal?
Is that acceptable?
Talking from the European perspective here ... I had a managerial job with
a telecom operator. By law we were required to keep a log of 'phone calls'
over a period of 30 years. Just "who" called "whom" from "when" until "when".
"The act of killing an infant.The practice of
killing newborn infants.One who kills an infant."
At some point that clump of cells becomes a person... Where is that??? When is that?? In the US there is a high percentage of people that support
abortion... that percentage drops dramatically when it come to allowing unfeathered access to abortion...
Not everyone has the means to travel to another state or country for medical care.
Well, The governor of California said he'd pay for everything... take him up on the offer. The the case we are talking about the young lady had 5 months to make her mind up... 5 months.... That's a long time to get things done legally, healthy and correctly. She went with a self-induced abortion and burning the evidence... She had a long time to do things right... and she had alternatives even after the 5 months.
Every person (man or woman) should be able to get quality medical care in their state.
Again... States politics are a little different than Canada. The constitution protects the individual and state from federal over reach... Abortions, now, are decided buy the people in each state... Some states may restrict your access... like to the first trimester.... others, like the 8 I mentioned will let you have at it...
This is the beauty of it... If you think your state doesn't represent your
views vote someone in that will represent your views or move to a new state....
There are rumblings that lefties are thinking of cruse ships... where they'll take you away and you can get a pedicure, manicure and an abortion
all in international waters...
They'll find away to bring the abortion mills back... they are just a transitional period
I have not forgotten. Yes, I agree those are good options but
they may not be feasible in every case.
It's nearly always feasible.
It may not be *desireable* to the pregnant woman, but it's still better than killing a baby.
I don't think a warrant/subpeona was justified in this case, or
it's use justified.
You can't possibly say that, as you know NOTHING about the details of
the case. Warrants are issued by a judge after being presented by law enforcement. So, a JUDGE thought there was sufficient reason for
Facebook to give up some records. Your opinion on this doesn't matter, it's a matter of *LAW*.
I don't know. Perhaps it's like BBS logs. Maybe they're required to be kept. I don't know, and neither do you. I'm positive that every FB
user agreed to that when they signed up, whether they realized it or
not.
The only people "at fault" here are the 2-3 people who apparently used FB/Messenger to discuss the killing of a baby.
Not everyone has the means to travel to another state or country
for medical care.
That's what everyone says, but I think in the REAL WORLD a person can
find a way to get across a state line. It's really not that hard.
Every person (man or woman) should be able to get quality medical
care in their state.
Sounds like a nice idea in theory, but "should" is a difficult word to define. It's not an actual *right*, like many people somehow believe. Maybe one day it will be a reality.
Miscarriage, abortion, infanticide, what difference does it make?
It all amounts to same thing. And since it was caused by a woman,
that makes it an act of murder. Punishable by life in prison ...
Young women should have a choice and healthy options in a situation like hers.
And if they don't?
What about that 10-year-old girl who had to cross state lines
in order to get a legal abortion from a real doctor? She was raped
at age 9 and would have been forced to carry to term otherwise,
meaning her own death at a very young age (as well as the unborn).
Yeah. Maybe there is no story.
Bjorn thought there was.
Before you start throwing around words like infanacide around you
should learn what they mean. Someone might mistake you for a
republican.
Well, they cannot prove that it was not born alive because they burned the corpse and likely destroyed the evidence. If it was born alive, despite their intentions for it not to be, killing it after the fact is murder in most states.
Nick Andre wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Its exhausting hearing about how we're all to feel sorry for
Darwin behavior.
Agreed. It's all part of the "woke" culture bullshit.
I hear that they're trying to come up with a new word because
"woke" has ended up being associated with negative hurtful mean
frowny sad-kitten-face things and not in the dreamy socialist
utopian society type of way they want it.
Honestly it would be lovely to have an evil alien invasion or the
asteroid on its way to destroy our planet, or mother nature
getting her revenge for our "climate change" BS by slamming us
with a huge planetary catastrophe. The idea of another world war
would really thin out the herd... *something* to give the soft
millenial pacifist social-media-crowd a REAL reason to be afraid
of instead the possibility of a certain US President in 2024 and
"mean tweets".
Wasn't WWIII supposed to happen with him? I was a bit sad when it didn't... I was told by liberals it would definately happen. Was
hoping he would at least reenact his wrestling skills with Kim
Jong Un... instead he becomes besties?
Mike Powell wrote to Dan Clough <=-
All of the above is irrelevant, and you did not address what I said
*AT* *ALL*. Want to try again?
He never does, and don't expect any future atempts to make any
more sense.
Wait until you quote one of his emails back to him, word for
word, and he tells you "I didn't say that!" which really means he
wants to walk it back and/or expects you to understand what he
really meant but clearly did not say...
Alan Ianson wrote to Dan Clough <=-
I don't think a warrant/subpeona was justified in this case, or
it's use justified.
You can't possibly say that, as you know NOTHING about the details of
the case. Warrants are issued by a judge after being presented by law enforcement. So, a JUDGE thought there was sufficient reason for
Facebook to give up some records. Your opinion on this doesn't matter, it's a matter of *LAW*.
From what I do know about the details of this case I don't view
this young lady as a criminal who should go through the courts
and be convicted of a crime.
The only people "at fault" here are the 2-3 people who apparently used FB/Messenger to discuss the killing of a baby.
Nobody killed a baby. The young lady chose to have an abortion.
Alan Ianson wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Not everyone has the means to travel to another state or country
for medical care.
That's what everyone says, but I think in the REAL WORLD a person can
find a way to get across a state line. It's really not that hard.
It's not hard if you have the means.
I haven't been to Hawaii for a long time and I was thinking that
or a trip like that would be nice. I don't go because I don't
have the means to make the trip.
As I just said, it's not that hard to find something/somebody to help. Perhaps a friend or a family member could give them a ride. Perhaps a cheap bus ticket would be possible. Etc, etc, etc.
I haven't been to Hawaii for a long time and I was thinking that
or a trip like that would be nice. I don't go because I don't
have the means to make the trip.
That's a stupid example, and you know it. Please don't waste people's time with stupid examples.
I say again, your opinion on this is meaningless. So is mine. As you just said yourself, you don't have any details of what actually
happened, so how can you formulate an opinion that the young lady isn't
a criminal?
You're making no sense. What DOES make sense is that an actual JUDGE thought there was enough reason/probable cause to approve a warrant
to get more information.
Do you not have ANY faith in the legal system, or what?
Nobody killed a baby. The young lady chose to have an abortion.
That remains to be seen. I'm pretty sure a judge wouldn't approve a warrant to investigate a routine abortion. Ever think of it like that?
Funny I thought it was the FBI.
She may be guilty of a crime depending on state law where she lives. If that
is the case then there will be judges, lawyers and all manner of legal proceedings against her. She may well find herself in a jail cell.
She may be guilty of a crime depending on state law where she lives. If that is the case then there will be judges, lawyers and all manner of legal proceedings against her. She may well find herself in a jail cell.
What the young lady needs is help, not jail time.
In the enlightened part of the world it would not even be a news item.
Alan Ianson wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Dan Clough wrote to Alan Ianson:
As I just said, it's not that hard to find something/somebody to help. Perhaps a friend or a family member could give them a ride. Perhaps a cheap bus ticket would be possible. Etc, etc, etc.
Sure, there is nothing to it if you have the means.
I haven't been to Hawaii for a long time and I was thinking that
or a trip like that would be nice. I don't go because I don't
have the means to make the trip.
That's a stupid example, and you know it. Please don't waste people's time with stupid examples.
It's a simple example of what I am trying to explain to you.
If you find it a waste of time then find something better.
Alan Ianson wrote to Dan Clough <=-
I say again, your opinion on this is meaningless. So is mine. As you just said yourself, you don't have any details of what actually
happened, so how can you formulate an opinion that the young lady isn't
a criminal?
This young lady chose to abort her pregnancy. I see no reason to
convict her of any crime.
She may be guilty of a crime depending on state law where she
lives. If that is the case then there will be judges, lawyers and
all manner of legal proceedings against her. She may well find
herself in a jail cell.
If that happens nobody wins. Not you, not me and not society
generally.
You're making no sense. What DOES make sense is that an actual JUDGE thought there was enough reason/probable cause to approve a warrant
to get more information.
Yes, that is likely what happened.
Do you not have ANY faith in the legal system, or what?
I am leary of the legal system here in Canada. It makes an
attempt at justice but it doesn't always turn out that way
because of loop holes and different reasons.
Nobody killed a baby. The young lady chose to have an abortion.
That remains to be seen. I'm pretty sure a judge wouldn't approve a warrant to investigate a routine abortion. Ever think of it like that?
No body killed a baby in this case. This girl aborted her
pregnacy. She is guilty of that.
Ward Dossche wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
She may be guilty of a crime depending on state law where she lives. If that
is the case then there will be judges, lawyers and all manner of legal proceedings against her. She may well find herself in a jail cell.
What the young lady needs is help, not jail time.
In the enlightened part of the world it would not even be a news
item.
Alan Ianson wrote to Ward Dossche <=-
She may be guilty of a crime depending on state law where she lives. If that is the case then there will be judges, lawyers and all manner of legal proceedings against her. She may well find herself in a jail cell.
What the young lady needs is help, not jail time.
Yes, that what it boils down to.
In the enlightened part of the world it would not even be a news item.
It's the same here. It is a womans choice and she has medical
care whatever choice she makes.
Do you expect the governor of California or some other state to foot the bill?
Well, isn't that very Beeorn-ish of you to say. Pffffttttt.
Never pass up a chance for a USA cheap-shot, eh?
... Some people are born stupid, others work to acquire it.
... Some people are born stupid, others work to acquire it.
What was your method? 8-)
Vince,
The US LEA raided Trump's "home" because they were convincedthat
Funny I thought it was the FBI.
And the FBI is not a LEA? (Law Enforcement Agency)
Vincent Coen wrote to Björn Felten <=-
The US LEA raided Trump's "home" because they were convinced that
there would still be sensitive documents, removed from the White House there. They had already been given 15 boxes of documents *illegally*
moved to Florida, but after analysing those, found out that there must
be more there. I repeat, highly classified documents.
...
Funny I thought it was the FBI.
Sure, there is nothing to it if you have the means.
I have to believe that there aren't that many folks who couldn't find a friend/family to drive them across a state line.
It's a simple example of what I am trying to explain to you.
It's a stupid example. Nobody was talking about going to fucking Hawaii to get an abortion. OBVIOUSLY that idea meant going to a directly neighboring state, not fucking Hawaii. Quite a different level of
"means" between these two things, and you know it.
If you find it a waste of time then find something better.
It looks like I won't find that with you, anyway.
This young lady chose to abort her pregnancy. I see no reason to convict her of any crime.
You say this.... and then right below, you go the other direction...
She may be guilty of a crime depending on state law where she
lives. If that is the case then there will be judges, lawyers and
all manner of legal proceedings against her. She may well find
herself in a jail cell.
Correct. That is what I've been saying all along, and you seem to have not realized it. There are ALREADY legal proceedings against her.
Do you not have ANY faith in the legal system, or what?
I am leary of the legal system here in Canada. It makes an
attempt at justice but it doesn't always turn out that way
because of loop holes and different reasons.
That happens in many/all countries, unfortunately. That's not what
we're debating, though.
No body killed a baby in this case. This girl aborted her
pregnacy. She is guilty of that.
Again, whether she killed a baby remains to be seen. What if, as the details come out, it is seen that the baby was born alive and then she/they burned it? What will you think then?
It's the same here. It is a womans choice and she has medical
care whatever choice she makes.
A great example of "everyone in the world knows how the USA should
conduct their business" better than those who ACTUALLY FUCKING LIVE in
the USA.
A Euro-commie and a Trudeau fan-boi dispensing their "wisdom". Yeah, right. Mind your own business, we'll run our own country.
The governor of California publicly stated he would do this for anyone who
wants an abortion but their state says no... So, yes... I would expect him
to foot the bill.
In the context of WWII, I probably could have worded that better... they actually started asserting their neutrality, instead of claiming it while assisting the Nazis, which is what they were doing before it became obvious
that the Nazis would lose.
It's actually a pretty good example since abortion is legal in Hawaii.
A Euro-commie and a Trudeau fan-boi dispensing their "wisdom". Yeah, AI>DC> right. Mind your own business, we'll run our own country.
This kind of name calling is childish.
It's not like we sold huge computer systems to the Nazis, to help them
with their Holocaust, is it?
Alan Ianson wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Sure, there is nothing to it if you have the means.
I have to believe that there aren't that many folks who couldn't find a friend/family to drive them across a state line.
Sure, call a friend to take you across state lines. Sounds like a
crime family.
It's a simple example of what I am trying to explain to you.
It's a stupid example. Nobody was talking about going to fucking Hawaii to get an abortion. OBVIOUSLY that idea meant going to a directly neighboring state, not fucking Hawaii. Quite a different level of
"means" between these two things, and you know it.
It's actually a pretty good example since abortion is legal in
Hawaii.
Alan Ianson wrote to Dan Clough <=-
She may be guilty of a crime depending on state law where she
lives. If that is the case then there will be judges, lawyers and
all manner of legal proceedings against her. She may well find herself in a jail cell.
Correct. That is what I've been saying all along, and you seem to have not realized it. There are ALREADY legal proceedings against her.
Of course. What I am saying is that there is no value in a
conviction of some sort.
No body killed a baby in this case. This girl aborted her
pregnacy. She is guilty of that.
Again, whether she killed a baby remains to be seen. What if, as the details come out, it is seen that the baby was born alive and then she/they burned it? What will you think then?
No baby has been killed in this case. She chose and had an
abortion.
Alan Ianson wrote to Dan Clough <=-
It's the same here. It is a womans choice and she has medical
care whatever choice she makes.
A great example of "everyone in the world knows how the USA should
conduct their business" better than those who ACTUALLY FUCKING LIVE in
the USA.
Those who actually live in the USA are in favour of abortion
rights. Do you not know this?
A Euro-commie and a Trudeau fan-boi dispensing their "wisdom". Yeah, right. Mind your own business, we'll run our own country.
This kind of name calling is childish.
It's not like we sold huge computer systems to the Nazis, to help
them with their Holocaust, is it?
ISBN 9780914153283
It's not like we sold huge computer systems to the Nazis, to help VC>BF>> them with their Holocaust, is it?
ISBN 9780914153283
Thanks - I had forgotten that IBM supplied Germany with URE both before
and
during the war at least up till the time the USA entered the war and possibly after.
This kind of name calling is childish.
Dossche's Law #4:
"At the end of a stretched online debate, there always is an insult".
Sure, call a friend to take you across state lines. Sounds like a crime family.
Actually it would be a friend helping you to *AVOID* committing a crime
if your neighboring state allows abortions, and your own state doesn't.
It's actually a pretty good example since abortion is legal in
Hawaii.
That wasn't the point, dimwit.
You can't see the difference in having the "means" to travel to Hawaii;
and the means to drive a short distance to another state? Jesus, don't
be so fucking dense.
It's like you don't even read the previous reply, and just re-blurt out your talking points. Shows a real lack of comprehension is what it
does.
Those who actually live in the USA are in favour of abortion
rights. Do you not know this?
Some are, some aren't. That's what I know. Those are the facts.
This kind of name calling is childish.
Your refusal to actually read replies and comment on them (without just regurgitating the talking points you've already repeated) is what's childish. It's like trying to debate with an 8-year-old.
Here's a newsflash for ya: We here in the USA don't give a rat's ass
what you and others in other countries think about our laws and how we handle such issues. Mind your own business.
A large majority of Americans are in favour of abortion rights for women. That is a fact.
A large majority of Americans are in favour of abortion rights forAI? women. That is a fact.
you'll be surprised to learn the system is specifically set up so the majority can't just walk all over the minority.
you can argue that's bad when you don't like the outcome, and good when you do. whatever
This kind of name calling is childish.
Dossche's Law #4:
"At the end of a stretched online debate, there always is an insult".
There are those who simply insult. No debate, just insult.
you'll be surprised to learn the system is specifically set up so the majority can't just walk all over the minority.
Ward Dossche wrote to Alexander Grotewohl <=-
you'll be surprised to learn the system is specifically set up so the majority can't just walk all over the minority.
A democracy where a majority rules without disrespecting the
minority is a good thing.
But that's not how the system in the USA works, it's "winner
takes all" whatever the loser represents ... It's either a
Democrat or a Republican and they'll do whatever to honor their
campaign promises which always will include the catchphrase to
turn this country / state / county / town 180 degrees around and
bring prosperity ... while none of it will happen and come next
elections another candidate from the other party will make the
same promises and will equally fail.
"the benefit of the people" is often forgotten ... nom it is
"always" forgotten. But I love them making such statements, such
as GWB one day claiming to turn the country 360 degrees around
and the electororate didn't catch it.
Besides, how about a group of 9 black clad people in DC deciding
against the will of the majority of an entire population?
True, they have not banned abortion but they're causing a whole
lot of misery for mostly poor people, because the more well-off
will still have that option open ... it's a class justice system
where the poor and the weak are "not" protected.
Yeah, OK, so the USA sucks and your little country is perfect. Yada
yada yada. Whatever. You're great and we suck. There. Happy now
Ward? Or is it Beeorn? Getting hard to tell any difference between the two of you.
How far should someone travel for health care?
What part of neutrality do you not understand? If Sweden had treated Germany differently than the Allies, how could that mean neutrality? Should we suddenly refuse to sell iron ore to Germany, while continuing
to sell to England?
It's not like we sold huge computer systems to the Nazis, to help
them with their Holocaust, is it?
Did you allow English troops to move over your soil between Norway and Finland?
Did you allow English troops to move over your soil between Norway and Finland? When Germany asked Sweden not to allow refugees from Norway across the border, what happened? Favoring one beligerent over another
is not neutrality.
On 08-14-22 10:30, Ward Dossche <=-
spoke to Alexander Grotewohl about Re: Snitch Country <=-
you'll be surprised to learn the system is specifically set up so the majority can't just walk all over the minority.
A democracy where a majority rules without disrespecting
the minority is a good thing.
But that's not how the system in the USA works, it's "winner takes
all"
On 08-13-22 21:49, Matt Munson <=-
spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Snitch Country <=-
How far should someone travel for health care?
If you need services travel to where you can get it at the
best price and best timeliness of services. If I was
British and I had a hard time getting private dentistry, id
fly to the United States to get dental treatment.
Do you expect the governor of California or some other state to footthe
bill?
The governor of California publicly stated he would do this for anyone who wants an abortion but their state says no... So, yes... I would expect him to foot the bill.
... Some people are born stupid, others work to acquire it.
What was your method? 8-)
Listening to Tucker Carlson will work.
What did the governor of California say that makes you think he will pay?
The state of Louisiana used to have a charity hospital system.
Worked great for decades, thanks to Huey Long and his brother, Earl.
In fact, such a system would do wonders for California. Rather than
people leaving the state in droves, people would start flocking back
in. And then there would be no more room for immigrants from Mexico.
How far should someone travel for health care?
If you need services travel to where you can get it at the
best price and best timeliness of services. If I was
British and I had a hard time getting private dentistry, id
fly to the United States to get dental treatment.
I had a friend who would always go to a foreign country ( I think it was Singapore) for his dental treatment. He was in part aided by the fact
that much of his air travel could be done with frequent flyer miles.
Ward Dossche wrote to Dale Shipp <=-
I had a friend who would always go to a foreign country ( I think it was Singapore) for his dental treatment. He was in part aided by the fact that much of his air travel could be done with frequent flyer miles.
Friend of mine's daughter was in a student exchange programme for
a year in the neighbourhood of Fort Worth and needed dental care.
It was cheaper having her flown back to Europe, have the thing
done and fly her back to Texas than having it done overthere in
the first place.
Friend of mine's daughter was in a student exchange programme for
a year in the neighbourhood of Fort Worth and needed dental care.
It was cheaper having her flown back to Europe, have the thing
done and fly her back to Texas than having it done overthere in
the first place.
Your wooden nose just grew another inch.
What did the governor of California say that makes you think he will pay?
He said his state would pay for the trip and the procedure... I Googled a few things.... people are pissed that he's backed away on his offer to pay
and did not budget out of state abortions...
This doesn't take away from the fact that the person in the original tread
had 5 months to get a legal abortion in the state she lived in... shew waited 3 more weeks... had the abortion at home... and stet the evidence on fire ...
So .... The authorities asked FaceBook for their chat history...
There was several options to them... all legal.... They chose the one they
did...
We also have another crap bill SB 107 who wants to offer trans surgeries and medicine to out of state residents. My state is going to get broke
from all this stuff in California.
I like to find out ways to dodge paying sales tax whenever i can. Like buying crap from foreign countries.
We also have another crap bill SB 107 who wants to offer trans surgeries and medicine to out of state residents. My state is going to get broke
from all this stuff in California. I like to find out ways to dodge
paying sales tax whenever i can. Like buying crap from foreign countries.
Friend of mine's daughter was in a student exchange programme for
a year in the neighbourhood of Fort Worth and needed dental care.
It was cheaper having her flown back to Europe, have the thing
done and fly her back to Texas than having it done overthere in
the first place.
Your wooden nose just grew another inch.
Your wooden nose just grew another inch.
Ward Dossche wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Friend of mine's daughter was in a student exchange programme for
a year in the neighbourhood of Fort Worth and needed dental care.
It was cheaper having her flown back to Europe, have the thing
done and fly her back to Texas than having it done overthere in
the first place.
Your wooden nose just grew another inch.
My oldest daughter had major surgery with a galbladder removal.
Single room in hospital, TV, WiFi for the time she was
hospitalized ... I paid 1.29 Euro because she asked for an extra
bottle of water one day.
When my wife and I were hospitalized for some weeks in 2020 with
an acute Covid19 infection we paid around 230 Euro for like 14
days in a private isolation room, the both of us, TV, Wifi,
luxury meals, doctors, medication, tests ...
I have several examples ... Do I need to explain to you the cost
of healthcare, whatever healthcare, in the USA ?
Björn Felten wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Your wooden nose just grew another inch.
Typical.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
If your views are so fragile that the mere existence of other
people, with different behaviours and beliefs, feels threatening
to you, then that's not their problem, it's yours.
Irrelevant to this discussion....
Irrelevant to this discussion....
No. But it would be nice if you'd stop lying.
If your views are so fragile that the mere existence of other people, with different behaviours and beliefs, feels threatening
to you, then that's not their problem, it's yours.
My views are not "fragile". Again, more irrelevant bullshit.
Maybe you and Ward are actually related.
Beeorn Felten wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Maybe you and Ward are actually related.
Oh, absolutely.
Maybe you and Ward are actually related.
Oh, absolutely. Not only possibly genetically, since his ancestors,
the Walloon, helped Sweden a lot when we welcomed them here as immigrants -- we've always understood the value, yes even importance, of
immigrants...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walloon_immigration_to_Sweden
... but more importantly we are related as citizens of the European
Union, the socialist capitalism heaven on the the planet.
We don't exactly know what the Vikings did overhere ... their DNA may be everywhere ...
You've got a pathetic widower riding out his remaining years being a loner with nothing to show for but a bad case of Abba and one who loves to run his mouth about everything wrong with America yet doesn't mind visiting at least once or twice or whatever.
Alan Ianson wrote to IB Joe <=-
had 5 months to get a legal abortion in the state she lived in... shew waited 3 more weeks... had the abortion at home... and stet the evidence on fire ...
As I said already I don't think this young lady has been making wise choices but I don't think that makes here a criminal. The state of Nebraska may think otherwise.
How is your state going to go broke from providing health care to trans people from out of state?We also provide health care to illegal immigrants from around the world, abortion services to women in alabama and texas who fly here. We cant afford to be the make a wish department. My state is so leftist that I can understand its going to be paid for people who are primary residents of my state. But we cant afford to be a giving tree.
As I said already I don't think this young lady has been making wise choices but I don't think that makes here a criminal. The state of Nebraska may think otherwise.
Mutilation of a corpse (as we've established it was after 20 weeks)?
Attempted destruction of evidence?
We also provide health care to illegal immigrants from around the world, abortion services to women in alabama and texas who fly here.
We cant afford to be the make a wish department.
My state is so leftist that I can understand its going to be paid for people who are primary residents of my state.
But we cant afford to be a giving tree.
Mike Powell wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
had 5 months to get a legal abortion in the state she lived in... shew waited 3 more weeks... had the abortion at home... and stet the evidence on fire ...
As I said already I don't think this young lady has been making wise choices but I don't think that makes here a criminal. The state of Nebraska may think otherwise.
Mutilation of a corpse (as we've established it was after 20
weeks)? Attempted destruction of evidence?
Sure, anyone could travel to California for treatments. That doesn't mean the state of California will pay for it.Oh they WANT TO.
Are you running for office? Explain to people how to make things better and maybe they will vote for you.Not in this cycle. But I might in 2024.
California's budget includes $40 million to cover abortions for women who can't afford them, including women from other states who travel to California. But Jessica Pinckney, executive director of Access Reproductive Justice, a California nonprofit that helps women pay for the logistics of an abortion, said travel is often one of the biggest barriers
women face in seeking reproductive care.
On 08-16-22 14:14, Ward Dossche <=-
spoke to Dan Clough about Re: Snitch Country <=-
My oldest daughter had major surgery with a galbladder removal. Single room in hospital, TV, WiFi for the time she was hospitalized ...
I paid 1.29 Euro because she asked for an extra bottle of
water one day.
The Swedish Vikings were busy setting up trade routes to Miklagård
(today Istanbul). On it's way they set up trade stations, the most important was a small village called Kiev. Those Vikings came mostly from Roslagen outside of today's Stockholm, so they were called Ros, later
Rus. A thousand years later the kins of those Rus that stayed behind had grown and created what today is called Russia.
My doctor sent me to the hospital because of a high white blood
cell count. After a few hours in the emergency room, they diagnosed my problem to be that my gall bladder had died. I had surgery and then a further 3-4 day stay in a private room before being sent home. Total
bill to me was US$0.00.
That's just a story IB Joe was telling.
Breitbart
Gavin Newsom: California Taxpayers to Subsidize Abortion Tourism
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/12/gavin-newsom-california-tax payers-to-subsidize-abortion-tourism/
No... I heard him say it...and with SB 107 they will also subsidize castrating young children from out of state. YAY! (/sarcasm)
Alan Ianson wrote to Mike Powell <=-
As I said already I don't think this young lady has been making wise choices but I don't think that makes here a criminal. The state of Nebraska may think otherwise.
Mutilation of a corpse (as we've established it was after 20 weeks)?
Mutilation of a corpse? Who established what?
Attempted destruction of evidence?
What evidence did she attempt to destroy?
Dan Clough wrote to Mike Powell <=-
Mutilation of a corpse (as we've established it was after 20
weeks)? Attempted destruction of evidence?
Or murder, if the fetus/baby was born alive, which it could have been.
In fact that almost seems likely, as they may have wanted to burn it to hide that little detail.
Alan Ianson wrote to Matthew Munson <=-
But we cant afford to be a giving tree.
That's just a story IB Joe was telling.
Ward Dossche wrote to IB Joe <=-
Breitbart
Gavin Newsom: California Taxpayers to Subsidize Abortion Tourism
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/12/gavin-newsom-california-tax payers-to-subsidize-abortion-tourism/
Ahhhh ... you're one of 'them' ... 8-)
Breitbart
Gavin Newsom: California Taxpayers to Subsidize Abortion Tourism
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/12/gavin-newsom-california- payers-to-subsidize-abortion-tourism/
Ahhhh ... you're one of 'them' ... 8-)
Re: Re: Snitch Country
By: IB Joe to Alan Ianson on Wed Aug 17 2022 08:24 am
No... I heard him say it...and with SB 107 they will also subsidize castrating young children from out of state. YAY! (/sarcasm)
She set it on fire, and it was after 20 weeks which, at the time, was the cut-off in her state between what is believed potentially viable and what is not.
That's just a story IB Joe was telling.
No... I heard him say it...
LA Times
California would subsidize abortion services for uninsured, out-of-state patients under Newsom plan
ize-
abortion-services-for-out-of-state-patients
Breitbart
Gavin Newsom: California Taxpayers to Subsidize Abortion Tourism
yers
-to-subsidize-abortion-tourism/
I heard him say it on the news...It was not a story I started....
Mutilation of a corpse? Who established what?
She set it on fire, and it was after 20 weeks which, at the time, was the cut-off in her state between what is believed potentially viable and what is not.
What evidence did she attempt to destroy?
See above.
That's just a story IB Joe was telling.
No, that is the story that Matt, a California resident who led off this discussion by telling us what California is planning, told.
SINCE THEN, IB Joe has provided links to LA Times articles about it.
So are you still going to tell Matt, a California resident, that this is not happening in his state of residence?
I don't know about this castration business...
Matt and I were not talking about this. Matt has said nothing about
travel expenses that I recall.
Mike Powell wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
But we cant afford to be a giving tree.
That's just a story IB Joe was telling.
No, that is the story that Matt, a California resident who led
off this discussion by telling us what California is planning,
told.
SINCE THEN, IB Joe has provided links to LA Times articles about
it.
So are you still going to tell Matt, a California resident, that
this is not happening in his state of residence?
IB Joe wrote to Ward Dossche <=-
Breitbart
Gavin Newsom: California Taxpayers to Subsidize Abortion Tourism
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/12/gavin-newsom-california- payers-to-subsidize-abortion-tourism/
Ahhhh ... you're one of 'them' ... 8-)
What is one of them??
So are you still going to tell Matt, a California resident, that
this is not happening in his state of residence?
I'm sure he will. Alan doesn't appear to let facts get in the way of
his opinions and posts. That's what happens when you drink as much of
the Koolaid as he apparently has.
On 08-17-22 10:40, Ward Dossche <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Snitch Country <=-
Dale,
My doctor sent me to the hospital because of a high white blood
cell count. After a few hours in the emergency room, they diagnosed my problem to be that my gall bladder had died. I had surgery and then a further 3-4 day stay in a private room before being sent home. Total
bill to me was US$0.00.
Yes, now please tell the complete story ...
Yes, now please tell the complete story ...
?? I did tell the complete story. What do you think was withheld?
Alan Ianson wrote to Dan Clough <=-
So are you still going to tell Matt, a California resident, that
this is not happening in his state of residence?
I never told Matt that anything was or was not happening in his
state.
I'm sure he will. Alan doesn't appear to let facts get in the way of
his opinions and posts. That's what happens when you drink as much of
the Koolaid as he apparently has.
Matt confirmed that legislation was about medical expenses and
not travel.
But don't let facts get in the way.
Ward Dossche wrote to Dale Shipp <=-
Yes, now please tell the complete story ...
?? I did tell the complete story. What do you think was withheld?
Nothing in the world is free, someone/something is paying...
Nothing in the world is free, someone/something is paying...
Whoa! Whoa! Careful, your socialist/commie masters might hear you
saying that, and kick you out of the club.
You said California was going to pay the travel costs.
I don't see anything like that in the above.
What makes you think California is going to pay travel costs?
What is one of them??
Coming from him, it means somebody who is *NOT* a commie-wannabe-socialist Koolaid slurper who believes that everything should be free, and that the tiny little European countries that depend on the USA for nearly everything are far superior to the USA. His good buddy Beeeorn is even worse.
since other states are making it harder for minors to be transgender,
one of the nutjobs Scott Wiener from the city of fruits and nuts wants
to make it easier for trans youth to be transgender from out of state,
but its going to be more people to take care of that we cant afford.
If you want to be trans as an adult more power to you, and there are
even other well known trans adults like buck angel and blair white who
are getting sick of the idea of a 14 year old girl lobbing off her
breasts or a 16 year old boy getting his third leg inverted.
It might be my prostate... but I piss Red, White & Blue!!!
I never told Matt that anything was or was not happening in his
state.
You're quoting the above as if *I* said that. I did not.
I'm sure he will. Alan doesn't appear to let facts get in the way of
his opinions and posts. That's what happens when you drink as much of
the Koolaid as he apparently has.
Matt confirmed that legislation was about medical expenses and
not travel.
Yeah, I saw that. I never said anything about what Matt might have
said.
But don't let facts get in the way.
Strawman.
The *ACTUAL* *TOPIC* being discussed in this thread was whether
Kalifornia was paying for abortions for out of staters (and illegal
aliens), at taxpayer expense. They are. Since you're not a Kalifornia resident you think that's just fine. What if you were paying taxes
there, would you still think it's a great idea?
Did you allow English troops to move over your soil between Norway and
Finland?
Had they wanted to, of course. When, where and why did they want that?
You *do* know that Norway was occupied by the Nazis? Have you watched a bad Hollywood movie now again?
Alan Ianson wrote to Dan Clough <=-
The *ACTUAL* *TOPIC* being discussed in this thread was whether
Kalifornia was paying for abortions for out of staters (and illegal
aliens), at taxpayer expense. They are. Since you're not a Kalifornia resident you think that's just fine. What if you were paying taxes
there, would you still think it's a great idea?
The topic of the thread *YOU* replied to was about California
paying travel expenses for out of state travelers.
IB Joe said that was the case but of course it is not.
But don't let the facts get in your way.
Alas, facts can be such a bummer, right?
Dan Clough wrote to Mike Powell <=-
So are you still going to tell Matt, a California resident, that
this is not happening in his state of residence?
I'm sure he will. Alan doesn't appear to let facts get in the way of
his opinions and posts. That's what happens when you drink as much of
the Koolaid as he apparently has.
Matthew Munson wrote to IB Joe <=-
No... I heard him say it...
and with SB 107 they will also subsidize castrating young children from out of state. YAY! (/sarcasm)
Dan Clough wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
Alan Ianson wrote to Dan Clough <=-
So are you still going to tell Matt, a California resident, that
this is not happening in his state of residence?
I never told Matt that anything was or was not happening in his
state.
You're quoting the above as if *I* said that. I did not.
The *ACTUAL* *TOPIC* being discussed in this thread was whether
Kalifornia was paying for abortions for out of staters (and illegal aliens), at taxpayer expense. They are. Since you're not a Kalifornia resident you think that's just fine. What if you were paying taxes
there, would you still think it's a great idea?
Ward Dossche wrote to Mike Powell <=-
Mike,
She set it on fire, and it was after 20 weeks which, at the time, was the cut-off in her state between what is believed potentially viable and what is not.
Potentially viable at 20 weeks? You have a weird sense of humour ...
This can simply be googled even...
Alan Ianson wrote to Mike Powell <=-
Mike Powell wrote to Alan Ianson:
Mutilation of a corpse? Who established what?
She set it on fire, and it was after 20 weeks which, at the time, was the cut-off in her state between what is believed potentially viable and what is not.
She had an abotion. That was a choice she made. That is not mutilation
of a corpse.
Alan Ianson wrote to Mike Powell <=-
Mike Powell wrote to Alan Ianson:
That's just a story IB Joe was telling.
No, that is the story that Matt, a California resident who led off this discussion by telling us what California is planning, told.
I was not commenting an anything Matt said.
IB Joe said California was going to pay travel costs.
Matt and I were not talking about this. Matt has said nothing about
travel expenses that I recall.
Alan Ianson wrote to Dan Clough <=-
But don't let the facts get in your way.
What part of that did you not understand as not being my opinion but her state's?
I seem to remember that whatever cut-off your country observes, it was after that also.
She had an abotion. That was a choice she made. That is not mutilation of a corpse.
Which, by the time she did it and the way she did it, was a crime in her state. If she waited long enough for it to be considered beyond the point where she could get an abortion, that indeed makes it mutilation of a corpse.
It does not matter whether we think the abortion should have been legal or not.
I was not commenting an anything Matt said.
IB Joe said California was going to pay travel costs.
YOU ANSWERED MATT'S MESSAGE WITH THE COMMENT ABOVE, telling Matt he was wrong because you thought Matt was repeating "a story IB Joe was telling."
Matt and I were not talking about this. Matt has said nothing about travel expenses that I recall.
You were answering Matt, so either he did bring it up, or you were questioning something else. Learn to read.
It is a medical certainty in neonatology that before 24 weeks the foetus stands no chance. That is based on medical science.
If a state's legislature decides on 20 weeks despite all medical data, then they're all dingbats that should be ashamed of themselves.
Mike Powell wrote to Dan Clough <=-
So are you still going to tell Matt, a California resident, that
this is not happening in his state of residence?
I'm sure he will. Alan doesn't appear to let facts get in the way of
his opinions and posts. That's what happens when you drink as much of
the Koolaid as he apparently has.
As for letting facts get in the way, that has never mattered for
Alan. If you catch him making an error, he either "didn't say
that!" or claims he was talking to someone other than the person
he was responding to.
Mike Powell wrote to Dan Clough <=-
You're quoting the above as if *I* said that. I did not.
He does that... ALL. THE. TIME. It is up to you to determine
who said it, whether or not Alan really said what he did, and
whether or not Alan said what he meant or really "said" something
else.
The *ACTUAL* *TOPIC* being discussed in this thread was whether
Kalifornia was paying for abortions for out of staters (and illegal aliens), at taxpayer expense. They are. Since you're not a Kalifornia resident you think that's just fine. What if you were paying taxes
there, would you still think it's a great idea?
Exactly!!!! Alan is the one who added "travel expenses" to
Matt's thread.
On 08-18-22 10:46, Ward Dossche <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Snitch Country <=-
Dale,
Yes, now please tell the complete story ...
?? I did tell the complete story. What do you think was withheld?
Nothing in the world is free, someone/something is
paying...for example the military...
You know, it's funny... the three main doofus'es involved in this
argument are *ALL* not living in the US, and yet.... they know
everything there is to know about living in the US, and are eager to
tell those who *DO* live in the US all about it. They know *ALL* info about our laws, and are positive that their opinions matter more than
any USA citizen's. Oh yeah, all three of them are unashamed leftists,
I'm sure that's just a coincidence. <EYEROLL>
One day you will need to tell the story how Swedish Viggen fighters stopped the Russians from shooting down, or capturing, an SR71 Blackbird...
Yes, I have insurance and that insurance paid it all. I pay a
reasonable amount for that insurance.
You have insurance. I suspect that it is paid for in part or in total
by your government.
I can do better than that, ...
Nick Andre wrote to Dan Clough <=-
You know, it's funny... the three main doofus'es involved in this
argument are *ALL* not living in the US, and yet.... they know
everything there is to know about living in the US, and are eager to
tell those who *DO* live in the US all about it. They know *ALL* info about our laws, and are positive that their opinions matter more than
any USA citizen's. Oh yeah, all three of them are unashamed leftists,
I'm sure that's just a coincidence. <EYEROLL>
Its greatly amusing that neither of them don't move up to much
larger social platforms where they could lecture a much bigger
audience of Americans than the small insignificant fraction here.
That's just a story IB Joe was telling.
What makes you think California is going to pay travel costs?
It might be my prostate... but I piss Red, White & Blue!!!
You have Dutch ancestry?
https://www.vlaggen.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Nederland-vlag.jpg
Dan Clough wrote to Mike Powell <=-
Indeed he did. A very common leftist/liberal tactic - attempting to divert/deceive the actual discussion topic, because it's not going to
go their way otherwise.
You know, it's funny... the three main doofus'es involved in this
argument are *ALL* not living in the US, and yet.... they know
everything there is to know about living in the US, and are eager to
tell those who *DO* live in the US all about it. They know *ALL* info about our laws, and are positive that their opinions matter more than
any USA citizen's.
Ward Dossche wrote to Mike Powell <=-
It is a medical certainty in neonatology that before 24 weeks the
foetus stands no chance. That is based on medical science.
If a state's legislature decides on 20 weeks despite all medical data, then they're all dingbats that should be ashamed of themselves.
Prior to 24 weeks here as a rule no effort will be made to start
therapy. Most babies will die within 20-30 minutes. Medical staff will clean it and hand it to the mother so she can hold it for a few minutes while it still is alive. These babies suffer extreme pains and are disturbed because they sense they are dying. Staff is trained to
perform massage to make them feel comfortable and will sedate them to
stop the suffering, even if they're just minutes away from death.
Dale Shipp wrote to Ward Dossche <=-
?? I did tell the complete story. What do you think was withheld?
Nothing in the world is free, someone/something is
paying...for example the military...
Yes, I have insurance and that insurance paid it all. I pay a
reasonable amount for that insurance.
You have insurance. I suspect that it is paid for in part or in total
by your government.
IB Joe wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
On 16 Aug 2022, Alan Ianson said the following...
That's just a story IB Joe was telling.
I have put more time than I care to on this topic...
Why would ABC News have this headline...
California budget won't cover out-of-state abortion travel
Why would the representatives in California be looking into budget of
for out of state abortions if someone like Gavin did say something
Washington Examiner headlines, as reported by MSN...
Report recommends taxpayers pay expenses for out-of-state abortions in California
Snippet from the story...
Should the Supreme Court overturn Roe v. Wade, reproductive rights advocates say California should fund travel expenses like gas, lodging, transportation and child care for in-state and out-of-state patients seeking an abortion.
Def-Con News Headline...
California To Become Abortion Sanctuary With Paid Travel And Lodging
I used DuckDuckGo and searched "california to pay for out of state abortions"
I spent less than 60 seconds to find these headlines. These headlines didn't come about because a message I posted in Fido.... They are there because of a Narrative the left wants to push...
I didn't make things up... and y'all need to put a little work into things...
Nick Andre wrote to Dan Clough <=-
On 18 Aug 22 21:34:00, Dan Clough said the following to Mike Powell:
You know, it's funny... the three main doofus'es involved in this
argument are *ALL* not living in the US, and yet.... they know
everything there is to know about living in the US, and are eager to
tell those who *DO* live in the US all about it. They know *ALL* info about our laws, and are positive that their opinions matter more than
any USA citizen's. Oh yeah, all three of them are unashamed leftists,
I'm sure that's just a coincidence. <EYEROLL>
Its greatly amusing that neither of them don't move up to much larger social platforms where they could lecture a much bigger audience of Americans than the small insignificant fraction here.
Mike Powell wrote to Ward Dossche <=-
It is a medical certainty in neonatology that before 24 weeks the
foetus stands no chance. That is based on medical science.
If a state's legislature decides on 20 weeks despite all medical data, then they're all dingbats that should be ashamed of themselves.
The state cutoff was 20 weeks. She was over that and would have
been closer to 23-24 weeks.
Prior to 24 weeks here as a rule no effort will be made to start
therapy. Most babies will die within 20-30 minutes. Medical staff will clean it and hand it to the mother so she can hold it for a few minutes while it still is alive. These babies suffer extreme pains and are disturbed because they sense they are dying. Staff is trained to
perform massage to make them feel comfortable and will sedate them to
stop the suffering, even if they're just minutes away from death.
So these ~24 week babies can sense "extreme pain," similar maybe
to the pain of being set on fire?
Mike Powell wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Indeed he did. A very common leftist/liberal tactic - attempting to divert/deceive the actual discussion topic, because it's not going to
go their way otherwise.
In his case, it could be an honest mistake, just like when Biden
shakes hands with thin air.
You know, it's funny... the three main doofus'es involved in this
argument are *ALL* not living in the US, and yet.... they know
everything there is to know about living in the US, and are eager to
tell those who *DO* live in the US all about it. They know *ALL* info about our laws, and are positive that their opinions matter more than
any USA citizen's.
I guess their own countries are too boring to talk about.
I have put more time than I care to on this topic...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ1YdTNpx3A
Here is a news reporter... ~ 3:35 into this video she talks about Gavin's efforts to pay for out-of-state abortions...
Headlines LA Times
California would subsidize abortion services for uninsured, out-of-state patients under Newsom plan
Why would ABC News have this headline...
California budget won't cover out-of-state abortion travel
Why would the representatives in California be looking into budget of for out of state abortions if someone like Gavin did say something
Washington Examiner headlines, as reported by MSN...
Report recommends taxpayers pay expenses for out-of-state abortions in California Snippet from the story...
Should the Supreme Court overturn Roe v. Wade, reproductive rights advocates say California should fund travel expenses like gas, lodging, transportation and child care for in-state and out-of-state patients seeking an abortion.
The Wall Street Journal Headline....
California May Pay Expenses for Women Seeking Abortions From Other States
CBN News Headline...
This State Plans to Become America's Abortion Destination, Paying for Exponential increase in Abortions
Def-Con News Headline...
California To Become Abortion Sanctuary With Paid Travel And Lodging
I used DuckDuckGo and searched "california to pay for out of state abortions"
I spent less than 60 seconds to find these headlines. These headlines didn't come about because a message I posted in Fido.... They are there because of a Narrative the left wants to push...
I didn't make things up... and y'all need to put a little work into things... :)
On 08-19-22 13:36, Ward Dossche <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Snitch Country <=-
Yes, I have insurance and that insurance paid it all. I pay a
reasonable amount for that insurance.
You have insurance. I suspect that it is paid for in part or in total
by your government.
There is a portion withheld from the salary which is called "social contributions" and part of that health insurance system is
funded from that source.
Or perhaps the pain of being ripped apart by a pair of steel forceps? Having your limbs pulled from your body, maybe might hurt a little?
Oh, and you've also caught him in another lie... If these babies (notice he's not calling it a 'fetus' any more) aren't really humans yet, how
can they "sense that they are dying"? Kinda goes against the 'viable' narrative, wouldn't you say? Right, Ward?
Or.... by talking incessantly about how imperfect the US is, any conversation about the actual shit-hole status of their own countries is avoided... It's another very common Lefty tactic.
There is a portion withheld from the salary which is called "social DS>WD> contributions" and part of that health insurance system is
funded from that source.
Is that a flat fee for all or is it income based?
About how much is it for a normal worker?
How much of the other income taxes goes into paying for medical?
I my case, I have an insurance plan that is subsidized by the federal government as a part of my having worked for the federal government
before I retired from them. I pay a part of that insurance, I think it amounts to about US$300 per month out of my pocket. Almost every
medical procedure / doctor visit is covered with no copay. There is
only limited dental and vision benefits however.
I can add that 45 or 50 years ago, I worked in England and was covered under their national health system. In several ways, it was
substandard. There were long delays and limited availability of
doctors. At that time I also carried a small private insurance and that helped cut the delay times and gave my family access to better selection
of doctors.
The only work Alan will do is spin it around, claim he didn't say what he said, claim he was responding to someone else, etc.
Dan Clough wrote to Mike Powell <=-
Oh, and you've also caught him in another lie... If these babies
(notice he's not calling it a 'fetus' any more) aren't really humans
yet, how can they "sense that they are dying"? Kinda goes against the 'viable' narrative, wouldn't you say? Right, Ward?
Dan Clough wrote to Mike Powell <=-
I guess their own countries are too boring to talk about.
Or.... by talking incessantly about how imperfect the US is, any conversation about the actual shit-hole status of their own countries
is avoided... It's another very common Lefty tactic.
Ward Dossche wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Or perhaps the pain of being ripped apart by a pair of steel forceps? Having your limbs pulled from your body, maybe might hurt a little?
It seems you have no idea how an abortion works ... it's a mere pill,
or two pills ... Ever 'seen' an abortion, Dan? If forceps are shown,
it's something else...probably a propaganda video.
If a non-viable foetus is born, then it is a baby. There will be a birth-certificate and a death-certificate and an official burrial (with all the costs involved of an undertaker or so). Most cemetaries do have
a childrens lot, very small graves.
Those babies have way underdeveloped lungs and can't breathe properly, they will suffocate to death.
Mike Powell wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Oh, and you've also caught him in another lie... If these babies
(notice he's not calling it a 'fetus' any more) aren't really humans
yet, how can they "sense that they are dying"? Kinda goes against the 'viable' narrative, wouldn't you say? Right, Ward?
In this case, I think "not viable" means they cannot sustain life
once born, not even with assistance. As he was talking about miscarriages, I guess that makes them a "baby/human" vs. a fetus
since they were born on their own instead of being forced-born by
choice of the mother?
I don't see the difference, but I guess someone who thinks
different might.
Mike Powell wrote to Dan Clough <=-
I guess their own countries are too boring to talk about.
Or.... by talking incessantly about how imperfect the US is, any conversation about the actual shit-hole status of their own countries
is avoided... It's another very common Lefty tactic.
In the case of the one on our continent, if you try asking him
questions about his own government or, in particular, their PM,
he will usually deflect or decline to answer... unless maybe it
is about health care.
IB Joe wrote to Matthew Munson <=-
People are leaving California in droves... this could be one of the reasons...
IB Joe wrote to Mike Powell <=-
On 19 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
The only work Alan will do is spin it around, claim he didn't say what he said, claim he was responding to someone else, etc.
He must be a democrat
He must be a democrat
The Canadian equivalent, I would guess so.
Must be atheists. Everyone knows only atheists eat babies.You should look into the a little further... apparently her andYou forgot that they finally ate the now well done baby. With
her mother aborted her baby... without a DR... Burned the baby...
put it in a grave.... dug it back up to burn it some more and put
it back in the ground...
French fries, ketchup and mustard.
..
Must be atheists. Everyone knows only atheists eat babies.
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