• Re: Clrghouz, calling for some test dummies...

    From deon@21:2/116 to Warpslide on Saturday, June 24, 2023 13:10:55
    Re: Re: Clrghouz, calling for some test dummies...
    By: Warpslide to deon on Fri Jun 23 2023 04:32 pm

    Hey...

    Yup yup, I have the netmail now, but now I can't browse to the webserver. I'm getting ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED.

    Ahh, I had moved everything onto its own IP, but https was failing. Should be all fixed now.

    Now that it has its own IP, binkp and EMSI are own there own default ports 24554/60179 respectively. binps should also work on 24553...

    I know the nodelist has 24584/60879, I'll update that for the next segment update (but they still work for now too...)


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  • From deon@21:2/116 to All on Friday, June 23, 2023 10:10:05
    Hey Folks,

    So over the last couple of years I've been chipping away at my owner mailer and tosser "clrghouz" - it's been an interesting exercise, and it's enabled me to put into practise some coding that I have used for other projects.

    I created clrghouz to leverage modern software and coding principles (since many of the software used in this hobby is old and the author's or their code is long gone), but to preserve the ability to continue to use that old software (warts 'an all) - which is kind of why many of us are here.

    Ultimately I'm wanting it to become the new Hub 3 - making it easier (for me at least) to manage an FTN network (or two), and make it easier for systems that use it? I'm at the stage now that I should get some real users testing it and to see how you can break it :)

    While I consider it still in development, if you are willing and would like to help me test it further, then please keep reading ...

    Clearing Houz supports both EMSI mailers over TCP (the old modem, dialup mailers like FrontDoor, Portal Of Power, ifcico, etc) and BINKP mailers. If you want to use an EMSI mailer with Windows, then I recommend Digital Man's SVDM which is what I've been using. For DOS you can use a serial cable and another device running tpcser.

    (While I've tested a few old EMSI mailers with success, I know D'Bridge with it's EMSI mode doesn't work - which I'll aim to fix one day and I'll happily prioritise that if there is interest.)

    For the EMSI mailers, I've only implemented ZModem with 1K block size, but in time I'll enable up to 8K and a sliding window as well as maybe Hydra (since that seems to also be common).

    For BINKP, I've not implemented all features (like Crypt, Compression) - but I'll do that too in time too. The current BINKP seems to be working well, as I've been feeding Clearing Houz from Hub 3 for quite some time now (and you may have noticed the test message replies in FSX_TST).

    At the moment, clrghouz will send out only uncompress packets (with up to 50 messages in a packet), but can accept both uncompressed and ZIP archives. Any other file type is not processed and remains in the inbound until I notice them.

    Packets are processed in real time (unless there are more than 50 messages in it), so if your packet has a ping or a test message, you should get a reply in the same BINKP/EMSI session.

    I'm also happy to look at implementing other packet transfer formats if you want to try other things (eg: getting mail via a http API call, so you can feed a BBS directly without a mailer.)

    For testing, you could either:
    * For your current BBS, get a second feed via Clearing Houz - using your existing FSX address. Your mailer dupe processing should illiminate duplicates that you will receive, and the hubs should drop them for anything you send out. (If it doesn't please let me know).
    * Spin up a new BBS with a new address and feed it from Clearing Houz

    Ideally I'd like a few users in category :)

    I've still got a lot I want to do on clearing houz, and there is probably many bugs that need ironing out, so if you are interested in helping out let me know.

    You can start by heading to its web address clrghouz.bbs.dege.au and create a user account. Your BBS "should be there", and you should be able to claim it (although the claiming process it not that robust yet). If you find things out of place, not intuitive or could be improved let me know...


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  • From Andrew Leary@21:4/105 to deon on Friday, June 23, 2023 03:30:56

    Hello deon!

    23 Jun 23 10:10, you wrote to all:

    So over the last couple of years I've been chipping away at my owner mailer and tosser "clrghouz" - it's been an interesting exercise, and
    it's enabled me to put into practise some coding that I have used for other projects.

    I created clrghouz to leverage modern software and coding principles (since many of the software used in this hobby is old and the author's
    or their code is long gone), but to preserve the ability to continue
    to use that old software (warts 'an all) - which is kind of why many
    of us are here.

    Ultimately I'm wanting it to become the new Hub 3 - making it easier
    (for me at least) to manage an FTN network (or two), and make it
    easier for systems that use it? I'm at the stage now that I should get some real users testing it and to see how you can break it :)

    While I consider it still in development, if you are willing and would like to help me test it further, then please keep reading ...

    Clearing Houz supports both EMSI mailers over TCP (the old modem,
    dialup mailers like FrontDoor, Portal Of Power, ifcico, etc) and BINKP mailers. If you want to use an EMSI mailer with Windows, then I
    recommend Digital Man's SVDM which is what I've been using. For DOS
    you can use a serial cable and another device running tpcser.

    (While I've tested a few old EMSI mailers with success, I know
    D'Bridge with it's EMSI mode doesn't work - which I'll aim to fix one
    day and I'll happily prioritise that if there is interest.)

    For the EMSI mailers, I've only implemented ZModem with 1K block size,
    but in time I'll enable up to 8K and a sliding window as well as maybe Hydra (since that seems to also be common).

    For BINKP, I've not implemented all features (like Crypt, Compression)
    - but I'll do that too in time too. The current BINKP seems to be
    working well, as I've been feeding Clearing Houz from Hub 3 for quite
    some time now (and you may have noticed the test message replies in FSX_TST).

    At the moment, clrghouz will send out only uncompress packets (with up
    to 50 messages in a packet), but can accept both uncompressed and ZIP archives. Any other file type is not processed and remains in the
    inbound until I notice them.

    Packets are processed in real time (unless there are more than 50
    messages in it), so if your packet has a ping or a test message, you should get a reply in the same BINKP/EMSI session.

    I'm also happy to look at implementing other packet transfer formats
    if you want to try other things (eg: getting mail via a http API call,
    so you can feed a BBS directly without a mailer.)

    For testing, you could either:
    * For your current BBS, get a second feed via Clearing Houz - using
    your existing FSX address. Your mailer dupe processing should
    illiminate duplicates that you will receive, and the hubs should drop
    them for anything you send out. (If it doesn't please let me know). *
    Spin up a new BBS with a new address and feed it from Clearing Houz

    Ideally I'd like a few users in category :)

    I've still got a lot I want to do on clearing houz, and there is
    probably many bugs that need ironing out, so if you are interested in helping out let me know.

    You can start by heading to its web address clrghouz.bbs.dege.au and create a user account. Your BBS "should be there", and you should be
    able to claim it (although the claiming process it not that robust
    yet). If you find things out of place, not intuitive or could be
    improved let me know...

    I'll send you netmail with the results of my trying to register and link my BBS.

    Andrew

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  • From apam@21:1/182 to deon on Friday, June 23, 2023 17:40:28
    Hi deon,

    * Spin up a new BBS with a new address and feed it from Clearing Houz

    I wouldn't mind doing this, I've set up a second BBS and am just feeding
    it as a point, as I don't know how permanent it will be - I'm fairly busy
    at present with other things, so setting it up has been fairly slow going.

    It's running binki (my binkp mailer for talisman) so we might both be
    testing things at the same time :P

    Also interested in your http rest idea, that sounds pretty neat, but
    perhaps another time.

    Apparently I set up an account on ClringHouz when it was at leenooks, and
    it's wanting me to verify my email i think so just waiting on that (seems
    iinet email is slloooww. :P)

    Andrew


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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to deon on Friday, June 23, 2023 04:40:01
    On 23 Jun 2023, deon said the following...

    You can start by heading to its web address clrghouz.bbs.dege.au and create a user account. Your BBS "should be there", and you should be
    able to claim it (although the claiming process it not that robust yet). If you find things out of place, not intuitive or could be improved let
    me know...

    Hi Deon,

    This is very cool, thanks for putting this out to test.

    I just tried registering but my old SciNet address is in there which I'm no longer using:

    "OK, here's what we are going to do. I'm going to send you a routed netmail to 77:1/156.0@scinet with a code - please follow the instructions in that netmail.

    Once the code is validated, this system will be assigned to you."


    When Clrghouz tries to connect I get "Connection lost":

    + 2023.06.23 04:28:16 BINKP > Connect on slot 1/5 (115.70.0.125)
    + 2023.06.23 04:28:16 BINKP 1-HostName 125.0.70.115.static.exetel.com.au
    + 2023.06.23 04:28:16 BINKP 1-Country Australia (AU)
    + 2023.06.23 04:28:16 BINKP 1-System Clearing Houz
    + 2023.06.23 04:28:16 BINKP 1-SysOp Deon George
    + 2023.06.23 04:28:16 BINKP 1-Location Parkdale VIC AU
    + 2023.06.23 04:28:16 BINKP 1-Mailer Clearing Houz-b8534d85 binkp/1.1
    + 2023.06.23 04:28:20 BINKP 1-Connection lost


    I might try adding that SciNet aka back in to see what happens.


    Jay

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  • From deon@21:2/116 to Andrew Leary on Friday, June 23, 2023 19:54:57
    Re: Clrghouz, calling for some test dummies...
    By: Andrew Leary to deon on Fri Jun 23 2023 03:30 am

    Howdy,

    I'll send you netmail with the results of my trying to register and link my BBS.

    I quickly patched that error that you were getting, so it should have worked now.

    (I think it did, as I see your BBS linked to you.)

    Once linked, you need to:

    * Create some authentication credentials (on your BBS -> System Authenticatin) * This will then enable you to select echos and file areas to receive.

    You should also be able to poll and drop/collect mail.

    (Well all in theory anyway :)

    BTW: You should be able to update your BBS details (mailer, etc) - but at the moment that is not flowing back to the nodelist. It shouldnt get overridden when I import the next nodelist, so just keep an eye on it and yell out if your details change (they shouldnt).


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  • From deon@21:2/116 to apam on Friday, June 23, 2023 20:04:21
    Re: Clrghouz, calling for some test dummies...
    By: apam to deon on Fri Jun 23 2023 05:40 pm

    Howdy,

    I wouldn't mind doing this, I've set up a second BBS and am just feeding
    it as a point, as I don't know how permanent it will be - I'm fairly busy
    at present with other things, so setting it up has been fairly slow going.

    Great.

    I havent checked that points are working. I know netmail wont, because I'm not creating the appropraite kludges in the message - but I'll get that going fairly soon.

    Echomail "should work" ;)

    It's running binki (my binkp mailer for talisman) so we might both be testing things at the same time :P

    Awesome!

    Also interested in your http rest idea, that sounds pretty neat, but
    perhaps another time.

    Cool no probs. I'm going to be able to allow nodes to resend packets, and I'll probably be using this to test that functionality.

    Apparently I set up an account on ClringHouz when it was at leenooks, and it's wanting me to verify my email i think so just waiting on that (seems iinet email is slloooww. :P)

    Let me know if it doesnt work (maybe its gone to your spam folder?) - I'll verify you manually...




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  • From deon@21:2/116 to Warpslide on Friday, June 23, 2023 20:06:26
    Re: Re: Clrghouz, calling for some test dummies...
    By: Warpslide to deon on Fri Jun 23 2023 04:40 am

    I just tried registering but my old SciNet address is in there which I'm no longer using:

    "OK, here's what we are going to do. I'm going to send you a routed netmail to 77:1/156.0@scinet with a code - please follow the instructions in that netmail.

    Ahh, I was playing today and noticed that scinet is "too active" in their, so I need to exclude it. I do have the net in active now so it shouldnt be thinking about that - I'll fix that now.


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  • From deon@21:2/116 to Warpslide on Friday, June 23, 2023 21:42:50
    Re: Re: Clrghouz, calling for some test dummies...
    By: deon to Warpslide on Fri Jun 23 2023 08:06 pm

    Hey Jay,

    I just tried registering but my old SciNet address is in there which I'm no longer using:

    OK, I think I've fixed it.

    The site should no longer use akas for nets that are no longer active.

    I just triggered the registration netmail, so hopefully its in your inbox :)


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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to deon on Friday, June 23, 2023 16:32:42
    On 23 Jun 2023, deon said the following...

    OK, I think I've fixed it.

    The site should no longer use akas for nets that are no longer active.

    I just triggered the registration netmail, so hopefully its in your
    inbox :)

    Yup yup, I have the netmail now, but now I can't browse to the webserver. I'm getting ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED.


    Jay

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  • From apam@21:1/182 to deon on Saturday, June 24, 2023 07:59:26
    Let me know if it doesnt work (maybe its gone to your spam folder?) -
    I'll verify you manually...

    I think the problem was when i signed up ages ago i never got / responded
    to the email, so i had to click resend.

    got it now and will have a look.

    Andrew


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