• Mastodon / Fediverse

    From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to All on Wednesday, June 05, 2024 13:17:14
    Is anybody familiar with any BBSes being linked to 'the fediverse'?

    I use Mastodon and Lemmy and have been thinking a bit about how they might be able to be integrated into a BBS. I think they could be a good fit, though I don't have every detail figured out of how that might work.

    Has anybody looked into any of these systems and what it would take to build a bridge of some sort, or custom Mastodon/Lemmy servers?


    Chris/akacastor

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    * Origin: Another Millennium - Canada - another.tel (21:1/162)
  • From deon@21:2/116 to AKAcastor on Thursday, June 06, 2024 09:39:33
    Re: Mastodon / Fediverse
    By: AKAcastor to All on Wed Jun 05 2024 01:17 pm

    Howdy,

    Is anybody familiar with any BBSes being linked to 'the fediverse'?

    I use Mastodon and Lemmy and have been thinking a bit about how they might be able to be integrated into a BBS. I think they could be a good fit, though I don't have every detail figured out of how that might work.

    I've not used mastodon (i might have signed up to a system years ago to check it out, but other than that, never beenback), and I dont know Lemmy.

    One of the things that I've thought about for clrghouz while developing it, was to integrate with other social platforms. I run a matrix server here, and that was going to be my first one to look at/play with.

    (Hence why in the past I also asked about NNTP).

    If there is an API to these social platforms (which I think there is), the effort to add it to clrghouz should be quite minimal. If somebody has one of these running, then I'm happy to have a crack to see if it would work and what it might look like. I know somebody in fidonet did it for telegram.

    My initial thoughts werent to open up all echos to social platforms (I'm thinking that is just looking for trouble - but it would be up to the ZC I guess), but maybe some specialised echos might be a useful idea (like a "help" to get bbs environment going, or problem diagnosis etc..).


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  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Deon on Wednesday, June 05, 2024 19:26:30
    If there is an API to these social platforms (which I
    think there is), the effort to add it to clrghouz should
    be quite minimal. If somebody has one of these running,
    then I'm happy to have a crack to see if it would work
    and what it might look like. I know somebody in fidonet
    did it for telegram.

    I saw that there's a Fido <> Telegram bridge but I haven't actually looked at how it works. I do use Telegram for chat, but I don't really understand the Fidonet integration (but I do know Telegram supports a lot of features I'm not using).

    Discord integration may be another target? Is anyone running something like that already?

    There are docs for the Mastodon API here:
    (the "Developing Mastodon Apps" section on the left has links to further information)
    https://docs.joinmastodon.org/client/public/

    I've just started looking into this, so I am not familiar with much of it yet.

    Some other Mastodon clients that were mentioned by @philpem@digipres.club when I asked about BBS integration in a Mastodon post:

    tootstream - A command line interface for interacting with Mastodon instances written in Python (requires Python 3).
    https://github.com/magicalraccoon/tootstream

    Tut - a TUI for Mastodon with vim inspired keys. The program has most of the features you can find in the web client.
    https://github.com/RasmusLindroth/tut

    Toot - a CLI and TUI tool for interacting with Mastodon instances from the command line.
    https://github.com/ihabunek/toot

    My initial thoughts werent to open up all echos to
    social platforms (I'm thinking that is just looking for
    trouble - but it would be up to the ZC I guess), but
    maybe some specialised echos might be a useful idea
    (like a "help" to get bbs environment going, or problem
    diagnosis etc..).

    I agree that the best move isn't to gate all echoes (I can't decide if there should be an -es or just -s) to other platforms.

    I'm definitely curious about different ways integration could be done - I think there is potential in an echomail gateway but I'm not sure what the trade-offs will be when it comes to gating posts from the fediverse.

    I haven't looked into Lemmy and its API at all yet.


    Chris/akacastor

    --- Maximus 3.01
    * Origin: Another Millennium - Canada - another.tel (21:1/162)
  • From deon@21:2/116 to AKAcastor on Thursday, June 06, 2024 15:40:08
    Re: Mastodon / Fediverse
    By: AKAcastor to Deon on Wed Jun 05 2024 07:26 pm

    Howdy,

    I'm definitely curious about different ways integration could be done - I think there is potential in an echomail gateway but I'm not sure what the trade-offs will be when it comes to gating posts from the fediverse.

    So the biggest concern will be around messages/comments coming from complete strangers, and we know what some strangers are like.

    I'd also happily consider spinning up another network with more relaxed rules (assuming you cant control who comes in from the gated side) - but then it might not be appealling due to spam, or those who just join forums to spew abuse?

    My motivation to do this, will be from the coding side of making it happen, but I probably wouldnt be a messenger - so unless there is an interest, it'll be on the bottom of my "what should I do next" list :)


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  • From Tiny@21:1/162 to Akacastor on Thursday, June 06, 2024 06:17:54
    AKAcastor was heard saying....

    I haven't looked into Lemmy and its API at all yet.

    If anyone needs a tester I do have accounts on most of those through
    my SDF account... I think I logged into lemmy once, same with
    mastasomething.

    I do use telegram for one chat. Discord I didn't like, but use it when
    I have to though I don't think I have an account.


    Shawn

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    * Origin: Another Millennium - Canada - another.tel (21:1/162)
  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to AKAcastor on Thursday, June 06, 2024 03:39:00
    On 05 Jun 2024, AKAcastor said the following...

    Toot - a CLI and TUI tool for interacting with Mastodon instances from
    the command line.
    https://github.com/ihabunek/toot

    This is the one I use to post weather to my Mastodon account (as well as the joke & horoscope bots), I also use it to delete old weather posts. It would be simple enough to post a "Warpslide has logged into Another Millennium" message with this utility.

    The Mastodon instance I use has a 500 character limit for posts, as does mastodon.social, so I'm not sure if gating FTN messages out to Mastodon would be practical.


    Jay

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  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Deon on Thursday, June 06, 2024 11:01:52
    It's nice to have a chance to discuss ideas like this and consider possibilities. I don't think there's only a single 'correct' solution, it's interesting to get some new ideas.

    I'd also happily consider spinning up another network
    with more relaxed rules (assuming you cant control who
    comes in from the gated side) - but then it might not be
    appealling due to spam, or those who just join forums to
    spew abuse?

    For an echomail<>mastodon system I think you're right and spinning up another network could be a good solution. Another option may be to create some "unofficial" echoes that sysops can opt into that aren't really part of fsxNet but can be distributed using the same node numbers.

    I am not sure how the mastodon -> echomail gateway would work - how to decide which mastodon posts end up in which echo, for example. Maybe based on hashtags?

    Personally, I have a mastodon account and I view only posts from accounts that I follow - giving me a curated timeline of posts. I'd like a way to view and interact with those posts from the BBS. I'm not sure how that would work, aside from implementing a mastodon client on the BBS side that I can provide my login credentials to.

    My motivation to do this, will be from the coding side
    of making it happen, but I probably wouldnt be a
    messenger - so unless there is an interest, it'll be on
    the bottom of my "what should I do next" list :)

    That's fair! I am interested in both ends of it (the coding and reading/posting). Mostly right now I am interested in tossing around ideas of how to implement this kind of gateway - I think it's an interesting challenge to integrate these systems and there may be different approaches that I wouldn't consider on my own.

    Besides echomail gateway, a Mastodon BBS Door is on my mind right now, but that has its own downsides. (probably more development work to write the full BBS door/Mastodon client than to gate to echomail, and doors tend to be less integrated with the rest of the BBS) Fun to consider different ideas, at least!


    Chris/akacastor

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    * Origin: Another Millennium - Canada - another.tel (21:1/162)
  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Tiny on Thursday, June 06, 2024 11:23:02
    I haven't looked into Lemmy and its API at all yet.

    If anyone needs a tester I do have accounts on most of those through
    my SDF account... I think I logged into lemmy once, same with mastasomething.

    Excellent! Time to get Silver Xpress connected to the fediverse, maybe? Haha

    I do use telegram for one chat. Discord I didn't like, but use it when
    I have to though I don't think I have an account.

    Telegram is actually my go-to for moving pictures etc between PC and phone - it's convenient that I can just drop stuff in the 'Saved messages' chat and it shows up on my other devices. I find it convenient because it supports the different platforms I use.

    Discord I have mixed feelings about. I find it works well and is quite convenient. Its closed nature and the eventual enshittification that will surely come make it a terrible platform. I use it every day. <shrug>


    Chris/akacastor

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    * Origin: Another Millennium - Canada - another.tel (21:1/162)
  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Warpslide on Thursday, June 06, 2024 11:30:04
    Toot - a CLI and TUI tool for interacting with Mastodon instances from
    the command line.
    https://github.com/ihabunek/toot

    This is the one I use to post weather to my Mastodon
    account (as well as the joke & horoscope bots), I also
    use it to delete old weather posts. It would be simple
    enough to post a "Warpslide has logged into Another
    Millennium" message with this utility.

    I see your weather reports regularly and hadn't even considered that you had automated it. :)

    Great idea for the login notices! Especially since it would be so straightforward to setup.

    The Mastodon instance I use has a 500 character limit
    for posts, as does mastodon.social, so I'm not sure if
    gating FTN messages out to Mastodon would be practical.

    Good point. I think the character limit is set per-instance (I sometimes see very long posts from other instances) but when I post on mastodon.social I do run into the post limits. So I guess either character limits would need to be known/enforced on the BBS end (or messages just get cut off if too long), or any gateway would need to be connected to a mastodon server with larger post limits. (I think I lean toward 'keep the messages short'.)


    Chris/akacastor

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    * Origin: Another Millennium - Canada - another.tel (21:1/162)
  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to AKAcastor on Thursday, June 06, 2024 18:02:32
    On 06 Jun 2024, AKAcastor said the following...

    I see your weather reports regularly and hadn't even considered that you had automated it. :)

    I had to use ImageMagick to turn the weather forecast into an image to get around the character limit. It's funny how I can only post 500 characters of text but posting a 32k image of text with up to 1500 characters of alt-text (which more than fits the whole forecast) is perfectly ok.

    Good point. I think the character limit is set per-instance (I
    sometimes see very long posts from other instances) but when I post on mastodon.social I do run into the post limits. So I guess either character limits would need to be known/enforced on the BBS end (or messages just get cut off if too long), or any gateway would need to be connected to a mastodon server with larger post limits. (I think I lean toward 'keep the messages short'.)

    Some of the jokes I post with the joke bot are longer than 500 characters (but not by much) so I split those into two messages and prefix the toots with 1/2 & 2/2. The 2nd toot is a reply to the first to keep them connected.

    This could work with ftn messages that are less than 1000 characters, but longer posts could get messy. Maybe spinning up your own instance with larger limit would be easier, or consider something like lemmy which has a 10,000 character limit by default. Lemmy uses ActivityPub, so you can follow those accounts from Mastodon.

    There's also Matrix which is more like discord which has "up to ~65200 bytes" available for messages.


    Jay

    ... I only know two tunes. One is 'Rule Brittania' -- and the other isn't

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2024/05/29 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Northern Realms (21:3/110)
  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Warpslide on Thursday, June 06, 2024 22:38:40
    I had to use ImageMagick to turn the weather forecast
    into an image to get around the character limit. It's
    funny how I can only post 500 characters of text but
    posting a 32k image of text with up to 1500 characters
    of alt-text (which more than fits the whole forecast) is
    perfectly ok.

    Nice solution to post the forecasts! Seems to work great.

    This could work with ftn messages that are less than
    1000 characters, but longer posts could get messy.
    Maybe spinning up your own instance with larger limit
    would be easier, or consider something like lemmy which
    has a 10,000 character limit by default. Lemmy uses
    ActivityPub, so you can follow those accounts from
    Mastodon.

    Great points about character limits and some ways to deal with them.

    There's also Matrix which is more like discord which has
    "up to ~65200 bytes" available for messages.

    Can Matrix accounts (I guess it would be channels?) be followed from other fediverse services like Mastodon/Lemmy? I haven't gotten on Matrix yet (I'm not sure why not at this point).


    Chris/akacastor

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to deon on Friday, June 07, 2024 22:35:08
    On 06 Jun 2024 at 09:39a, deon pondered and said...

    One of the things that I've thought about for clrghouz while developing it, was to integrate with other social platforms. I run a matrix server here, and that was going to be my first one to look at/play with.

    My initial thoughts werent to open up all echos to social platforms (I'm thinking that is just looking for trouble - but it would be up to the ZC
    I guess), but maybe some specialised echos might be a useful idea (like
    a "help" to get bbs environment going, or problem diagnosis etc..).

    I support this idea :)

    Kerr Avon [Blake's 7] 'I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid and I'm not going' avon[at]bbs.nz | bbs.nz | fsxnet.nz

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to AKAcastor on Friday, June 07, 2024 02:12:08
    On 06 Jun 2024, AKAcastor said the following...

    Can Matrix accounts (I guess it would be channels?) be followed from
    other fediverse services like Mastodon/Lemmy? I haven't gotten on
    Matrix yet (I'm not sure why not at this point).

    It looks like Matrix speaks it's own protocol:
    https://ibb.co/CnVQS49

    So it can talk to other Matrix servers (and Nextcloud?), but doesn't look like it can talk (directly) with ActivityPub services like Mastodon/Lemmy.


    MeaTLoTioN aka Christian of The Quantum Wormhole runs (ran?) a Matrix server, but it doesn't seem to be up at the moment:

    https://erb.pw/projects/
    https://riot.erb.pw/


    Jay

    ... What do you call a Canadian coffee shop with the lights off? Dim Horton!

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  • From Tiny@21:1/162 to Akacastor on Friday, June 07, 2024 06:38:56
    AKAcastor was heard saying....

    Excellent! Time to get Silver Xpress connected to the fediverse, maybe?

    LOL.

    Telegram is actually my go-to for moving pictures etc between PC and
    phone - it's convenient that I can just drop stuff in the 'Saved
    messages' chat and it shows up on my other devices. I find it
    convenient because it supports the different platforms I use.

    I get that, never thought to use it for that, but it is easier then
    hunting for a darn cord to copy pictures.

    Discord I have mixed feelings about. I find it works well and is quite convenient. Its closed nature and the eventual enshittification that
    will surely come make it a terrible platform. I use it every day.
    <shrug>

    I just need to spend time in it and I am sure I could learn to like it.
    I'm stealing your "enshittification" word. ;)


    Shawn

    --- Via Silver Xpress V4.5/P [Reg]
    * Origin: Another Millennium - Canada - another.tel (21:1/162)
  • From deon@21:2/116 to Warpslide on Friday, June 07, 2024 22:14:31
    Re: Re: Mastodon / Fediverse
    By: Warpslide to AKAcastor on Fri Jun 07 2024 02:12 am

    Howdy,

    It looks like Matrix speaks it's own protocol:
    https://ibb.co/CnVQS49

    MeaTLoTioN aka Christian of The Quantum Wormhole runs (ran?) a Matrix server, but it doesn't seem to be up at the moment:

    I have one too :) https://matrix.dege.au

    I use it as it is end-to-end encrypted, and the wife and I use it to chat.

    I also had it connected to synchronet IRC, but that might be turned off at the mo.

    Some BBS users connect with me as well on it, its easier to help them out via matrix than netmail. I have a BBS room, but nothing really goes on in there: https://matrix.to/#/#bbs:matrix.dege.au


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  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Warpslide on Friday, June 07, 2024 11:01:58
    It looks like Matrix speaks it's own protocol:
    https://ibb.co/CnVQS49

    Great infographic of the Fediverse, I hadn't seen that before - really cool to see how all these systems fit together.

    MeaTLoTioN aka Christian of The Quantum Wormhole runs
    (ran?) a Matrix server, but it doesn't seem to be up at
    the moment:

    Oh yeah! I call TQW regularly too, and did see mention of the Matrix server but that's as far as I got, didn't even try to connect to Matrix yet. MeaTLoTioN may have some insight into these ideas also, another potential collaborator. :)


    Chris/akacastor

    --- Maximus 3.01
    * Origin: Another Millennium - Canada - another.tel (21:1/162)
  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Tiny on Friday, June 07, 2024 11:06:06
    Telegram is actually my go-to for moving pictures etc between PC and
    phone - it's convenient that I can just drop stuff in the 'Saved
    messages' chat and it shows up on my other devices. I find it
    convenient because it supports the different platforms I use.

    I get that, never thought to use it for that, but it is easier then
    hunting for a darn cord to copy pictures.

    I wonder what everyone else is using, because shifting photos (and other files) between desktop and phone seems less simple than it should be. I feel like using Telegram is a bit of a hacky work-around and "there must be a simpler way" (but I do't know what that would be).

    Discord I have mixed feelings about. I find it works well and is quite convenient. Its closed nature and the eventual enshittification that
    will surely come make it a terrible platform. I use it every day.
    <shrug>

    I just need to spend time in it and I am sure I could learn to like it.
    I'm stealing your "enshittification" word. ;)

    I can't take credit for this wonderfully cromunlent word, I got it from Cory Doctorow - an author who writes a lot of insightful books and articles about tech and society and where the two meet.

    Some enshittification-tagged articles on Doctorow's website Pluralistic: https://pluralistic.net/tag/enshittification/

    A summary of the idea of 'enshittification':

    "Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die. I call this enshittification, and it is a seemingly inevitable consequence arising from the combination of the ease of changing how a platform allocates value, combined with the nature of a "two sided market", where a platform sits between buyers and sellers, hold each hostage to the other, raking off an ever-larger share of the value that passes between them."
    - Cory Doctorow

    The topic has a wikipedia page and everything! :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification

    Cory Doctorow is also on Mastodon posting daily - that's where I discover most of his writing:
    https://mastodon.social/@pluralistic@mamot.fr


    Chris/akacastor

    --- Maximus 3.01
    * Origin: Another Millennium - Canada - another.tel (21:1/162)
  • From deon@21:2/116 to AKAcastor on Saturday, June 08, 2024 10:50:37
    Re: Re: Mastodon / Fediverse
    By: AKAcastor to Tiny on Fri Jun 07 2024 11:06 am

    Howdy,

    I wonder what everyone else is using, because shifting photos (and other files) between desktop and phone seems less simple than it should be. I feel like using Telegram is a bit of a hacky work-around and "there must be a simpler way" (but I do't know what that would be).

    I'm an apple fan, so for me I just use "Air Drop". :)

    To share files between machines, I use a mix of Syncthing and Nextcloud. I'm actually thinking of turning off Nextcloud - I mainly set it up to share files externally (with a url and password), but everybody I've done that with doesnt know how to use it.

    The other plus, is nextcloud server is on my nas - so raid 5 protected and the second copy of my files incase my laptop goes. My kids PCs use it as well for the same reason.


    ...δεσ∩
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  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Deon on Friday, June 07, 2024 20:21:06
    I'm an apple fan, so for me I just use "Air Drop". :)

    I should probably be using Air Drop more, I use an iPhone and am on a Macbook right now. Half the time I'm on a Windows or Linux machine though.

    To share files between machines, I use a mix of
    Syncthing and Nextcloud. I'm actually thinking of
    turning off Nextcloud - I mainly set it up to share
    files externally (with a url and password), but
    everybody I've done that with doesnt know how to use it.

    I haven't really looked at Syncthing but I hear enough about it I probably should be taking a look.

    I use Dropbox because it was easy and I have some folders shared with me from other people, and a NAS at home. Dropbox is not my ideal solution though, just where I'm at right now. The Synology NAS I got a couple years ago has been really useful and convenient, I'm happy how well that's worked out for me. My desktop is connected via 10gb network, accessing the NAS is fast as a local hard drive. I'm not as well connected to the outside world off the LAN, though.

    Thanks for sharing what works for you, gives me some things to look into!


    Chris/akacastor

    --- Maximus 3.01
    * Origin: Another Millennium - Canada - another.tel (21:1/162)
  • From Tiny@21:1/162 to Akacastor on Saturday, June 08, 2024 06:37:58
    AKAcastor was heard saying....

    I wonder what everyone else is using, because shifting photos (and other files) between desktop and phone seems less simple than it should be. I feel like using Telegram is a bit of a hacky work-around and "there must
    be a simpler way" (but I do't know what that would be).

    I use google photo's as a way of backing them up too. I know it's not good
    and they can go down etc etc etc. I'm just too damn lazy to figure out a
    good way to sync between the two.

    Cory Doctorow is also on Mastodon posting daily - that's where I
    discover most of his writing:
    https://mastodon.social/@pluralistic@mamot.fr

    I need to play around on mastodon again, I think I only logged in once
    after I created my account.



    Shawn

    --- Via Silver Xpress V4.5/P [Reg]
    * Origin: Another Millennium - Canada - another.tel (21:1/162)
  • From Tiny@21:1/162 to Deon on Saturday, June 08, 2024 06:54:10
    deon was heard saying....

    I'm an apple fan, so for me I just use "Air Drop". :)

    I've used an iphone for years but I don't "know" the platform. One of the "kids" at work showed me how do airdrop the wifi password and pictures the other day I was like "That's cool... but how do I shut that off?".

    There is a concept phone that will make me leave ios in a second and that
    is the minimal phone, runs an e-ink screen and a simple android interface.
    I can't use normal andriod as it doesnt' make sense to me. My wife loves
    her's but I just can't use it.

    I'll ask in a better group one day for recommendation on a phone that allows
    a simple shell to run.



    Shawn

    --- Via Silver Xpress V4.5/P [Reg]
    * Origin: Another Millennium - Canada - another.tel (21:1/162)
  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Tiny on Saturday, June 08, 2024 12:30:50
    I use google photo's as a way of backing them up too. I know it's not good and they can go down etc etc etc. I'm just too damn lazy to figure out a good way to sync between the two.

    I find myself in this same situation all the time - I know there's better solutions out there, but it can be so overwhelming to find the right one and move everything over. (and then after the fact, you notice that a key feature you rely on is missing...)


    Chris/akacastor

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    * Origin: Another Millennium - Canada - another.tel (21:1/162)
  • From deon@21:2/116 to All on Sunday, June 09, 2024 09:11:43
    Re: Re: Mastodon / Fediverse
    By: deon to Warpslide on Fri Jun 07 2024 10:14 pm

    Howdy,

    It looks like Matrix speaks it's own protocol:
    https://ibb.co/CnVQS49

    I have one too :) https://matrix.dege.au

    So for shits and giggles, I thought I'd see how easy it is to setup an integration with matrix - and it was quite easy. So it should be quite easy to integrate with clrghouz.

    I might play with this over the next week or so and see if I can get two way messages flowing between matrix/fsxnet in FSX_TST.

    The interesting challenge will be how to manage messages that are pictures/files, and then what to do with them.


    ...δεσ∩
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  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Deon on Saturday, June 08, 2024 19:44:50
    I might play with this over the next week or so and see
    if I can get two way messages flowing between
    matrix/fsxnet in FSX_TST.

    Neat!

    The interesting challenge will be how to manage messages
    that are pictures/files, and then what to do with them.

    Good question. Maybe storing on a web host and including a URL?

    I have also been thinking a bit about a message reader with sixel support, but I haven't figured out how all the pieces will fit together.


    Chris/akacastor

    --- Maximus 3.01
    * Origin: Another Millennium - Canada - another.tel (21:1/162)
  • From deon@21:2/116 to All on Tuesday, June 11, 2024 22:31:27
    Re: Re: Mastodon / Fediverse
    By: deon to All on Sun Jun 09 2024 09:11 am

    Howdy,

    I have one too :) https://matrix.dege.au

    So for shits and giggles, I thought I'd see how easy it is to setup an integration with matrix - and it was quite easy. So it should be quite easy to integrate with clrghouz.

    So I have created integration with matrix, and I'm mirroring messages from FSX_TST into https://matrix.to/#/#ftn_fsx_tst:matrix.dege.au.

    Its a rough first draft and appears to be working fine, except your first message wont make it - as my bot needs to register you, invite and join on your behalf, and I must be loosing the message instead of it going back on the queue to process.

    There are a couple other things that I need to make more robust (around the register/invite/join process), but I'll wait to see how useful and used this is before doing so.

    If you want to play, post a message (or two) in FSX_TST, then head over to the matrix room (link above) and see your messages appear. Anything posted in that room should make it back to FSX_TST.

    My matrix server is not fully federated (too much matrix chatter), but if you use matrix.org or erb.pw you should be able to find the room. If you want to log in and register on my matrix, you are welcome to as well https://matrix.dege.au

    I know a few of you run othernets, so if you want this for your othernet, ping me and I'll set it up (on my matrix or your preferred) :)


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  • From Digital Man to Tiny on Wednesday, June 12, 2024 01:22:49
    Re: Re: Mastodon / Fediverse
    By: Tiny to Akacastor on Fri Jun 07 2024 06:38 am

    I'm stealing your "enshittification" word. ;)

    https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/
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  • From Digital Man to AKAcastor on Wednesday, June 12, 2024 01:27:01
    Re: Re: Mastodon / Fediverse
    By: AKAcastor to Tiny on Fri Jun 07 2024 11:06 am

    I wonder what everyone else is using, because shifting photos (and other files) between desktop and phone seems less simple than it should be. I feel like using Telegram is a bit of a hacky work-around and "there must be a simpler way" (but I do't know what that would be).

    Do you have OneDrive or iCloud or similar (Dropbox, etc.)? Seems that's exactly the kind of use case they're made for. They have phone and desktop integrations/apps for all platforms.
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  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Deon on Wednesday, June 12, 2024 17:01:32
    So I have created integration with matrix, and I'm
    mirroring messages from FSX_TST into https://matrix.to/#/#ftn_fsx_tst:matrix.dege.au.

    Very cool stuff! I am going to play on it a bit more, first impression is that it's very cool!! :)

    I also got a few replies on Mastodon to my query about Mastodon/BBS integration (basically responses saying there's been talk but no integration yet, and some suggestions of text-mode clients).

    From @byte@awawa.club:

    a bit different, but you can try tootik with some tui gemini client


    From @RL_Dane@fosstodon.org:

    I recall seeing a #birdsite interface of some kind on tty.sdf.org via SSH, but I don't recall if it still works.
    But that's the closest I've seen to it


    From Superflu @dec_hl@mastodon.social:

    well, theoretically you could use the mastodon API I created for #DOStodon and implement some text mode mastodon access using #jSH. your BBS then could call jSH to access a mastodon server instance...


    From @ratsprite@cathode.church:

    specifically regarding bbs <> fedi interop: not that had gotten very far that I'm aware of, but it is an Idea that keeps surfacing


    Just thought I'd pass the comments from Mastodon on. I haven't done anything on this project or even replied to messages in the past couple days.


    Chris/akacastor

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  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Digital Man on Wednesday, June 12, 2024 17:13:08
    Do you have OneDrive or iCloud or similar (Dropbox,
    etc.)? Seems that's exactly the kind of use case
    they're made for. They have phone and desktop
    integrations/apps for all platforms.

    That's a great point, I do use Dropbox and even have a paid account to have 2 TB of storage. And on occasion I've actually used it on my phone. (same with iCloud)

    Maybe I should give it more of a try, it kind of seemed less convenient but honestly that's probably just me never giving it a chance and already being used to things another way. In my mind, Dropbox is for "putting things" and accessing from various computers, not "moving things between devices" but it's an arbitrary distinction that doesn't make any sense. (just sharing my thought process that led me to ignoring the obvious)

    Thanks for the suggestion to consider some tools made for the task at hand. :)


    Chris/akacastor

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