• Doors

    From Nitro@21:1/190 to All on Monday, February 24, 2020 18:58:03

    Greetings All,

    So, Ive got most of my BBS back online 23 years later and I was thinking
    about possible doors. Because I bought a new Intel NUC that refuses to allow me to install Win 32bit I have 64bit windows and mystic installed and running without issue. My question(s) to all you good people is (are) 1. can mystic exist in a virtual enviorment like hyper-v? Seems kludgy but I could run win 32bit in hyper-V and thus be able to run dos doors? 2. Not moving in that direction are there more modern BBS doors that would run with current setup?

    Regards,

    Rick

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  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to Nitro on Tuesday, February 25, 2020 11:48:50
    So, Ive got most of my BBS back online 23 years later and I was
    thinking about possible doors. Because I bought a new Intel NUC
    that refuses to allow me to install Win 32bit I have 64bit windows
    and mystic installed and running without issue. My question(s) to
    all you good people is (are) 1. can mystic exist in a virtual
    enviorment like hyper-v? Seems kludgy but I could run win 32bit in
    hyper-V and thus be able to run dos doors? 2. Not moving in that
    direction are there more modern BBS doors that would run with current
    set up?

    There are doors like Apam's Galactic Dynasty and For Honour that will run
    on windows. The windows versions are 32bit (if I'm not mistaken) so will
    run on 64bit windows.. :)

    There is also work being done to get a 64bit netfoss.dll working on 64bit Windows for 16bit doors. I haven't run windows for years so I have no experience with any of that but from what I read it was very close to
    being ready. Keep an eye out for that.. I think you'll read about it here
    or in fido.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to Nitro on Tuesday, February 25, 2020 19:11:49
    On 24 Feb 2020, Nitro said the following...

    Greetings All,

    So, Ive got most of my BBS back online 23 years later and I was thinking about possible doors. Because I bought a new Intel NUC that refuses to allow me to install Win 32bit I have 64bit windows and mystic installed and running without issue. My question(s) to all you good people is
    (are) 1. can mystic exist in a virtual enviorment like hyper-v? Seems kludgy but I could run win 32bit in hyper-V and thus be able to run dos doors? 2. Not moving in that direction are there more modern BBS doors that would run with current setup?


    Mystic runs fine in a Virtual enviroment. I am currently running a Windows 10 64bit host machine with 2 Win 10 32bit VM's on it, 1 running 4 instances of Mystic (BBS,Login Server, File Server, BBS List Server) and the other running
    a Door Server based on SynchroNet.. Everything runs fine.. GIve it a shot.. :)

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  • From SirRonmit@21:2/120 to Nitro on Tuesday, February 25, 2020 17:47:45
    So, Ive got most of my BBS back online 23 years later and I was thinking

    Welcome back! I initially started my BBS via dialup back in 1990 myself.

    and running without issue. My question(s) to all you good people is
    (are) 1. can mystic exist in a virtual enviorment like hyper-v? Seems kludgy but I could run win 32bit in hyper-V and thus be able to run dos doors? 2. Not moving in that direction are there more modern BBS doors


    Yes, it is how I'm running one of my installs as well and using NetFoss to
    run the doors as (DOS) mode.

    Tim N
    admin@f4fbbs.com

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Bucko on Wednesday, February 26, 2020 21:08:10
    On 25 Feb 2020 at 07:11p, Bucko pondered and said...

    Mystic runs fine in a Virtual enviroment. I am currently running a
    Windows 10 64bit host machine with 2 Win 10 32bit VM's on it, 1 running
    4 instances of Mystic (BBS,Login Server, File Server, BBS List Server)
    and the other running a Door Server based on SynchroNet.. Everything
    runs fine.. GIve it a shot.. :)

    Can you tell me what kind of CPU, memory etc. you use to run such a setup?
    I have not done much with Virtual machines but am interested to know the sort of specs I'd need to have for the hardware to pull it off?

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  • From Havok@21:4/119 to Avon on Wednesday, February 26, 2020 05:58:44
    Can you tell me what kind of CPU, memory etc. you use to run such a
    setup? I have not done much with Virtual machines but am interested to know the sort of specs I'd need to have for the hardware to pull it off?


    Avon I pretty much do the same on a Dell Poweredge 2950 Gen III 1.2 terabytes
    64 gigs ram & two 3.0 intel xeon CPU'S at any give time I run 4 to 6 boards
    for about any use. But I will be upgrading one of the 2950's to a R610
    Poweredge so I can upgrade form VM-Ware 12.5 to 15.5. But even with the
    hardware and vm-ware 12.5 things run smooth. E-Bay has some great deals on
    off lease hardware.

    Save my Server has great deals on just about any server config you want.


    Anyway my two cents.


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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Havok on Wednesday, February 26, 2020 04:38:19
    Save my Server has great deals on just about any server config you want.

    What's the cost for power consumption each month?

    The reason I host my board on a cloud VM is that it's immediately scalable, connections don't enter my firewall, and I don't need to worry about
    hardware. I pay $20/month total to run my board which seems not bad.

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  • From Havok@21:4/119 to ryan on Wednesday, February 26, 2020 12:28:38
    What's the cost for power consumption each month?

    By everything I have been reading take 650 watts x 1.00 it works out to 650
    dollars a year.

    The reason I host my board on a cloud VM is that it's immediately scalable, connections don't enter my firewall, and I don't need to worry about hardware. I pay $20/month total to run my board which seems not
    bad.

    But that is way I'm moving to a R610/R710 or more less power and more
    options. But ever though I pay much more then you I like the fact it is
    right next to me, if a hard drive fails, I have two laying around to hot
    swap in, rebuild my array and bang I'm back up. Also I clone one server to
    another so if something else fries I flip a switch and bang back up.

    As far as cost no your way is the right way to go, if it's about cost.

    I have to laugh just the other day on Two Facebook their was a joke
    (Has anyone ever told you the cloud is just someone else's computer!)


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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Havok on Wednesday, February 26, 2020 10:30:32
    But that is way I'm moving to a R610/R710 or more less power and more
    options. But ever though I pay much more then you I like the fact it is
    right next to me, if a hard drive fails, I have two laying around to
    hot swap in, rebuild my array and bang I'm back up. Also I clone one server to another so if something else fries I flip a switch and bang back up.

    Yeah, having all of this and being able to run, say, 32 bit Windows as
    strictly a door server, is an attractive option. That said I lack space, permanent IP, and don't know if my ISP would let me take inbound connections...can't say I'd be terribly thrilled doing that in the first
    place haha. But I'm impressed. Deep down I want to build my own homelab.

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  • From Havok@21:4/119 to ryan on Wednesday, February 26, 2020 14:59:04
    place haha. But I'm impressed. Deep down I want to build my own homelab.

    Sounds to me you got it going on right now. (Thanks Marvin Gaye)

    Anyway seems to work for you now sooooooo kewl!


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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to Avon on Wednesday, February 26, 2020 18:03:46
    On 26 Feb 2020, Avon said the following...


    Can you tell me what kind of CPU, memory etc. you use to run such a
    setup? I have not done much with Virtual machines but am interested to know the sort of specs I'd need to have for the hardware to pull it off?


    I am running a regular computer. i3 3.5ghz 16 gigs ram 1 TB HD, nothing
    special picked it up on eBay for $80 about 2 years ago. I give the Door
    Server 2gigs of RAM and the BBS VM 4gigs of Ram I didn't split up the cores, nothing else is special.. I am using Virtual Box to handle the VM's.. Let me know if you need any other info.. :)

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Bucko on Thursday, February 27, 2020 12:35:11
    On 26 Feb 2020 at 06:03p, Bucko pondered and said...

    I am running a regular computer. i3 3.5ghz 16 gigs ram 1 TB HD, nothing special picked it up on eBay for $80 about 2 years ago. I give the Door Server 2gigs of RAM and the BBS VM 4gigs of Ram I didn't split up the cores, nothing else is special.. I am using Virtual Box to handle the VM's.. Let me know if you need any other info.. :)

    Thank you that's really interesting, it sounds like RAM is key and nice to
    know an i3 is enough. I'm picking there's a some rule of thumb to allocate
    ram for each instance and for the main machine itself to use.

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  • From Nitro@21:1/190 to Bucko on Wednesday, February 26, 2020 20:33:34
    What emulator or virtual server software are you using? My 64bit machine is
    a powerhouse I am sure it could handle what you are doing... Thank you for
    your help..

    Nitro

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  • From Nitro@21:1/190 to Avon on Thursday, February 27, 2020 08:49:48
    I am running 10th gen i7 with 32 gig ram, however ive tried his suggestion
    and I cant get windows to install in the vm I get past the product key then
    it errors something about windows not finding the install path? I will try doing some trouble shooting and see if I can get it going...

    Regards,
    Nitro

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  • From Static@21:2/140 to Havok on Thursday, February 27, 2020 11:43:17
    On 26 Feb 2020, Havok said the following...
    (Has anyone ever told you the cloud is just someone else's computer!)

    It's accurate. All our "cloud" storage and VPSes have to exist in somebody's data center somewhere.

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  • From Havok@21:4/119 to Static on Thursday, February 27, 2020 16:46:35
    It's accurate. All our "cloud" storage and VPSes have to exist in somebody's data center somewhere.

    <Grin> Like I stated before, what ever works is always good to me!


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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to Avon on Thursday, February 27, 2020 18:59:45
    On 27 Feb 2020, Avon said the following...


    Thank you that's really interesting, it sounds like RAM is key and nice
    to know an i3 is enough. I'm picking there's a some rule of thumb to allocate ram for each instance and for the main machine itself to use.


    In my opinion not really a rule, I originally had 2 gigs per VM and the rest was left for the host, now since I am running so much inside of the BBS VM
    all the instances of Mystic plus Apache Web Server I decided to give it
    4gigs, so that one has 4, the 2nd one has 2, and the rest goes to the host. I think what I really need to look into is breaking up the processor cores,
    that is something I need to read up on...

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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to Nitro on Thursday, February 27, 2020 19:01:05
    On 26 Feb 2020, Nitro said the following...

    What emulator or virtual server software are you using? My 64bit
    machine is a powerhouse I am sure it could handle what you are doing... Thank you for your help..

    Nitro

    I want to run it on VMWare Workstation but am using Virtual Box, I'm just to lazy to make the changeover.. LOL

    Al

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  • From Netsurge@21:4/154 to Bucko on Thursday, February 27, 2020 22:55:10
    In my opinion not really a rule, I originally had 2 gigs per VM and the rest was left for the host, now since I am running so much inside of the BBS VM all the instances of Mystic plus Apache Web Server I decided to give it 4gigs, so that one has 4, the 2nd one has 2, and the rest goes
    to the host. I think what I really need to look into is breaking up the processor cores, that is something I need to read up on...

    I'm assuming you are running ESXi, if so, then you can assign "slices" of the core and prioritize their usage. It's quite easy. I manage a fairly large VMWare cluster so if you need a hand, just let me know.

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  • From Netsurge@21:4/154 to Bucko on Thursday, February 27, 2020 22:55:48
    I want to run it on VMWare Workstation but am using Virtual Box, I'm
    just to lazy to make the changeover.. LOL

    I really should read till the end, lol. Ignore my VMWare ESX suggestion.

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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to Netsurge on Friday, February 28, 2020 10:21:07

    I'm assuming you are running ESXi, if so, then you can assign "slices"
    of the core and prioritize their usage. It's quite easy. I manage a
    fairly large VMWare cluster so if you need a hand, just let me know.


    I am currently running both Machines in Virtual Box, when I finally get
    around to redoing my Server, I will be taking my BBS off the computer it is
    on and put it on the Server under Linux host Win 10 machine (can't think of
    the name of the software right now)...

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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to Netsurge on Friday, February 28, 2020 10:22:23
    On 27 Feb 2020, Netsurge said the following...

    I really should read till the end, lol. Ignore my VMWare ESX suggestion.


    No big deal.. When I got back into the BBS world, I went quickly through and immediately found out 64 bit was no good for Doors, and went the fastest and cheapest way with Virtual Box. Once I finish the many projects I am in the middle of I will redo my server and host it there..

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  • From garycrunk@21:4/126 to Bucko on Friday, February 28, 2020 13:58:05
    I went through the Virtual-Box running Win XP in order to run my doors. But
    on the Windows Server I was using, it seemed to take up a lot of memory... As well, there was some issues with IP port to pass through...

    It worked, but not great. It kept crashing..

    So I switched to GameServ ... It runs both DOS 16 and 32 Bit doors just fine. Some doors just won't run on it... I don't bother trying to figure those out.
    I have enough games on it now. GameServ seems to run nicely on my Windows Server R12 on a 64 bit system without having to run a Virtualbox.

    Just an option if you wanted to look into that.

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  • From Nitro@21:1/190 to garycrunk on Saturday, February 29, 2020 09:01:50
    greetings,

    I am curious about your post because although I bought a brand new NUC for my bbs I was forced to run windows 64 bit and therefor forgoing doors at least
    the classic ones. So today I was going to buy a second hand machine that
    would allow me to install win 32 bit.. So are you saying that I can run gamesrvr on my current win 64 bit and run the classics like LORD etc?

    That would be awesome!

    Regards,
    Rick

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  • From Alpha@21:4/158 to Nitro on Saturday, February 29, 2020 19:25:14
    hand machine that would allow me to install win 32 bit.. So are you
    saying that I can run gamesrvr on my current win 64 bit and run the classics like LORD etc?

    That's right.

    You can also use Dosbox or Qemu with any current BBS system on a
    64bit Windows system, or run the Window GameSrv app as you stated--even run Linux BBSs under Windows WSL and use Dosemu to run the classics.

    Note the Linux GameSvr only builds on Linux 14.04.

    Getting all that configured is another story. Takes a bit of elbow
    grease, but there's a lot of help in these communities.

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  • From garycrunk@21:4/126 to Nitro on Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:44:51
    I am curious about your post because although I bought a brand new NUC
    for my bbs I was forced to run windows 64 bit and therefor forgoing
    doors at least the classic ones. So today I was going to buy a second hand machine that would allow me to install win 32 bit.. So are you
    saying that I can run gamesrvr on my current win 64 bit and run the classics like LORD etc?
    That would be awesome!
    Regards,
    Rick

    Rick;
    I am running GameSrv on a VPN Hosted Windows Server 64 Bit system. I am able to run 32 bit and 16 bit DOS Door Games on there. I've not tried
    running LORD there... But it should work.

    I used to have Quazar BBS Door Game Server running in Mystic under a VirtualBox Windows XP setup, but it kept crashing occasionally, so I switched to GameSrv... It all works quite well. I have my GameSrv at 5 Nodes...

    To see what I've got.. Visit Quazar BBS Door Game Server at QuazarBBS.Dynu.net Port 2525.

    I am able to run Old DOS doors, New Dos Doors, and Doors 32 bit like Galactic Dynasty and For The Honour.

    I have GameSrv running on the same machine as my Mystic Another F-ing BBS and my Dosbox 300 F-ing Baud BBS running all on the same 64 Bit Windows
    Server.

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  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to Nitro on Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:52:11
    I am curious about your post because although I bought a brand new
    NUC for my bbs I was forced to run windows 64 bit and therefor
    forgoing doors at least the classic ones.

    I don't know the details since I don't run Windows but Mike Ehlert, the
    NetFoss author is working on a 64bit netfoss.dll. Using that along with
    another 3rd party NTVDM makes it possible to run 16bit dos doors on 64bit windows.

    It's an in the works thing but looks close to being ready for the masses
    from what I can tell.

    I'm not sure just what bits and peices are needed or where to get them
    from but something to keep in mind.. :)

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From garycrunk@21:4/126 to Al on Saturday, February 29, 2020 14:18:45
    I don't know the details since I don't run Windows but Mike Ehlert, the NetFoss author is working on a 64bit netfoss.dll. Using that along with another 3rd party NTVDM makes it possible to run 16bit dos doors on 64bit windows.

    That would be GREAT! I would love to be able to use NetFoss 64...

    I will be patiently waiting... If you find out more... Please let us all know.

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  • From Alpha@21:4/158 to Nitro on Saturday, February 29, 2020 22:48:19
    I am curious about your post because although I bought a brand new NUC
    for my bbs I was forced to run windows 64 bit and therefor forgoing
    doors at least the classic ones. So today I was going to buy a second hand machine that would allow me to install win 32 bit.. So are you
    saying that I can run gamesrvr on my current win 64 bit and run the

    Also, just found out that Synchronet, pretty much out of the box, can essentially be turned into a game server. There's a file
    /sbbs/ctrl/modopts.ini that has a switch in it to enable door server like behavior that uses RLogin.

    This site has more info and scripts on how users can then go straight to the Doors menus:

    https://tinyurl.com/wp4qlmc

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  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to garycrunk on Saturday, February 29, 2020 15:04:12
    That would be GREAT! I would love to be able to use NetFoss 64...

    There is a beta on the netfoss webpage http://pcmicro.com/netfoss

    There is also a link to NTVDMx64 that will also be needed.

    Atreyu has been in touch with Mike and giving feedback so I think he
    can tell you more than I can about it. I think he had something to do
    with getting this stuff, NetFoss at least, to where it is now.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Atreyu@21:1/176 to Al on Saturday, February 29, 2020 18:09:43
    On 29 Feb 20 12:52:11, Al said the following to Nitro:

    I don't know the details since I don't run Windows but Mike Ehlert, the NetFoss author is working on a 64bit netfoss.dll. Using that along with another 3rd party NTVDM makes it possible to run 16bit dos doors on 64bit windows.

    I'm waiting for this to all be stable so I can move everything off 32-bit Windows.

    Atreyu

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  • From garycrunk@21:4/126 to Al on Saturday, February 29, 2020 15:30:49
    There is a beta on the netfoss webpage http://pcmicro.com/netfoss
    There is also a link to NTVDMx64 that will also be needed.
    Al

    Al, I tried to Download the NTVDMx64 file but it's a dead link... or I can't get there somehow.

    Do you have that file? If so can you Upload it? Or is there another link to where that file is?

    Many Tanx...

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  • From Terry Roati@21:5/101 to Nitro on Sunday, March 01, 2020 09:29:58

    Yes you can run a VM to run XP Pro 32 bit SP3 to run old doors via gameserve.

    I am using my own proxy server (ftelnetproxy) to connect from the BBS to gameserve.

    It works really well.

    Terry

    On Feb 29, 2020 09:09am, Nitro wrote to garycrunk:

    greetings,

    I am curious about your post because although I bought a brand new NUC
    for my bbs I was forced to run windows 64 bit and therefor forgoing
    doors at least the classic ones. So today I was going to buy a second
    hand machine that would allow me to install win 32 bit.. So are you
    saying that I can run gamesrvr on my current win 64 bit and run the classics like LORD etc?

    That would be awesome!

    Regards,
    Rick

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  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to garycrunk on Saturday, February 29, 2020 15:35:00
    Al, I tried to Download the NTVDMx64 file but it's a dead link...
    or I can't get there somehow.

    It's probably been updated. I'll see if I can find a working link.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to garycrunk on Saturday, February 29, 2020 16:04:12
    ga> Do you have that file? If so can you Upload it? Or is there
    another link to where that file is?

    I just grabbed a copy from..

    http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/ntvdmx64.7z

    There is also a project page here with more info here..

    https://github.com/leecher1337/ntvdmx64


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  • From garycrunk@21:4/126 to Al on Saturday, February 29, 2020 16:23:35
    http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/ntvdmx64.7z
    There is also a project page here with more info here.. https://github.com/leecher1337/ntvdmx64

    Got it... Many Many Thanks...

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Atreyu on Saturday, February 29, 2020 16:31:20
    I don't know the details since I don't run Windows but Mike Ehlert, the NetFoss author is working on a 64bit netfoss.dll. Using that along with another 3rd party NTVDM makes it possible to run 16bit dos doors on 64b windows.

    I'm waiting for this to all be stable so I can move everything off
    32-bit Windows.

    Unless I'm mistaken, NTVDMx64 is a pretty gnarly hack that gets crushed by defender a lot. I don't think it's something I'd rely on having access to forever.

    What might make more sense is using dosemu in WSL2 - I've tested some dos
    doors that way myself and they seem to work fine.

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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to Alpha on Saturday, February 29, 2020 19:22:08

    On 29 Feb 2020, Alpha said the following...


    Also, just found out that Synchronet, pretty much out of the box, can essentially be turned into a game server. There's a file /sbbs/ctrl/modopts.ini that has a switch in it to enable door server like behavior that uses RLogin.

    This site has more info and scripts on how users can then go straight to

    This is how I am running my new Door Server, using Synchro as a base.. Works great.. Synchro is very easy to install doors on also. I have about 50 installed so far, my main reason for it is to share the doors between my
    Mystic board and my C-Net Amiga board.. I was running GameSvr and it is a really good program but wasn't as simple as Synchro to get the doors
    installed on.. THen again that is me! Others may find it even easier..

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  • From g00r00@21:1/108 to ryan on Sunday, March 01, 2020 08:09:19
    Unless I'm mistaken, NTVDMx64 is a pretty gnarly hack that gets crushed
    by defender a lot. I don't think it's something I'd rely on having
    access to forever.

    I do believe they've addressed a lot of the things that were causing Defender to constantly think its a virus/malware in the later builds. But I don't know if there are precompiled versions of the latest code or not.

    What might make more sense is using dosemu in WSL2 - I've tested some dos doors that way myself and they seem to work fine.

    I've been meaning to see if I could get that working too! Thats great to hear!

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  • From Nitro@21:1/190 to Al on Saturday, February 29, 2020 18:39:51
    I read what they had on there page and it still looks like you have to a VM?
    it says on 64bit system requirements a guest os that is 32 bit required, or
    am I reading that wrong?

    Rick

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  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to Nitro on Saturday, February 29, 2020 19:58:24
    I read what they had on there page and it still looks like you have
    to a VM? it says on 64bit system requirements a guest os that is 32
    bit required, or am I reading that wrong?

    That I don't know. I haven't run Windows in a very long time.

    I'm hopefull that it's workable to run dos doors on win64. There is a
    github page so the author would probably like to hear from folks how it
    works for them.

    There may be other ways to do that as ryan says.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Alpha@21:4/158 to Bucko on Sunday, March 01, 2020 06:14:55
    This is how I am running my new Door Server, using Synchro as a base.. Works great.. Synchro is very easy to install doors on also. I have
    about 50 installed so far, my main reason for it is to share the doors between my Mystic board and my C-Net Amiga board.. I was running GameSvr and it is a really good program but wasn't as simple as Synchro to get
    the doors installed on.. THen again that is me! Others may find it even easier..

    Awesome, I've been playing around with different potential door servers, and
    I think DoorNode and Synchronet are the best (modern) options.

    Also, setting up doors under Enigma 1/2 is pretty smooth, particularly since the documentation is so thorough. Would be interesting to think about Enigma
    as a door server as well...

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to g00r00 on Saturday, February 29, 2020 22:51:21
    I do believe they've addressed a lot of the things that were causing Defender to constantly think its a virus/malware in the later builds.
    But I don't know if there are precompiled versions of the latest code or not.

    Even still, I hardly think something like this can be expected to live for
    any length of time without some Windows update blocking it completely.

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