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  • Making UTF-8 ANSIs

    From Adept@21:2/108 to All on Monday, June 22, 2020 04:51:38
    I'm wondering if anyone is aware of an editor for the UTF-8 text files that have color codes, and wind up looking like a regular 16-color ANSI, but with the option of many more colors.

    I've used manytools.org and ascii-art-generator.org to create some UTF-8
    files, and they oftentimes look quite good when I use cat to display them on the command line in Linux, but I'd like to be able to edit them, or make my
    own from scratch for a more-colorful BBS.

    But the idea of doing it directly with hex codes in one window, and
    repeatedly cat'ing the resulting file seems tedious at best. And the text editors I'm aware of don't display the color (or I'm missing the setting to
    do so).

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Storm BBS (21:2/108)
  • From apam@21:1/126 to Adept on Wednesday, June 24, 2020 12:31:32
    I'm wondering if anyone is aware of an editor for the UTF-8 text
    files that have color codes, and wind up looking like a regular
    16-color ANSI, but with the option of many more colors.

    UTF-8 would give extra characters, not colours. Colours are done via
    ANSI codes, to get more colours have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI_escape_code#8-bit

    Most BBS terminals won't support more than 16 colours, but linux
    terminals like konsole and gnome terminal do, so you could technically
    use more colours with CP437 with your current BBS (or with UTF-8), just
    it wouldn't look very good in most BBS terminals.

    Andrew

    --- MagickaBBS v0.15alpha (Linux/x86_64)
    * Origin: HappyLand - telnet://happylandbbs.com:2023/ (21:1/126)
  • From Adept@21:2/108 to apam on Wednesday, June 24, 2020 02:49:31
    UTF-8 would give extra characters, not colours. Colours are done via
    ANSI codes, to get more colours have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI_escape_code#8-bit

    Ah, okay, so it's still ANSI, it's just not 16-color ANSI, and I conflated it with UTF-8 because it was only on Linux systems that the more-colors ANSIs worked.

    Thanks for that clarification.

    terminals like konsole and gnome terminal do, so you could technically
    use more colours with CP437 with your current BBS (or with UTF-8), just
    it wouldn't look very good in most BBS terminals.

    I suppose that's about as I'd expect. I guess I was hoping that it'd look decent using Mystic and a linux terminal of some sort. At least locally on my server.

    But that still doesn't solve the aspect that it'd be rather a pain to _edit_ any of those graphics.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Storm BBS (21:2/108)
  • From apam@21:1/126 to Adept on Wednesday, June 24, 2020 16:25:50
    terminals like konsole and gnome terminal do, so you could
    technically use more colours with CP437 with your current BBS
    (or with UTF-8), just it wouldn't look very good in most BBS
    terminals.

    I suppose that's about as I'd expect. I guess I was hoping that
    it'd look decent using Mystic and a linux terminal of some sort. At
    least locally on my server.

    For what it's worth, I just updated MagiTerm to display 8-bit and 24-bit
    colour :)

    But that still doesn't solve the aspect that it'd be rather a pain
    to _edit_ any of those graphics.

    Yeah an editor would be nice :) maybe you can make a feature request for
    mobius or something (that seems to be an active project)

    Andrew



    --- MagickaBBS v0.15alpha (Linux/x86_64)
    * Origin: HappyLand - telnet://happylandbbs.com:2023/ (21:1/126)
  • From Adept@21:2/108 to apam on Wednesday, June 24, 2020 20:05:58
    For what it's worth, I just updated MagiTerm to display 8-bit and 24-bit colour :)

    Yay! I just downloaded it, so hopefully it included that change.

    But, realistically, this is all a longer-term project anyway. But that's
    still exciting.

    Yeah an editor would be nice :) maybe you can make a feature request for mobius or something (that seems to be an active project)

    That's a good idea. I suppose there's probably a lot more infrastructure
    needed to deal with lots more colors, though, since the color picker is 16 colors.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Storm BBS (21:2/108)
  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to apam on Wednesday, June 24, 2020 16:10:14
    On 24 Jun 2020, apam said the following...

    For what it's worth, I just updated MagiTerm to display 8-bit and 24-bit colour :)

    No MagiTerm for MacOS?


    Jay

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/06/11 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Northern Realms BBS | bbs.nrbbs.net | Binbrook, ON (21:3/110)
  • From apam@21:1/126 to Warpslide on Thursday, June 25, 2020 09:02:17
    On 24 Jun 2020, apam said the following...

    For what it's worth, I just updated MagiTerm to display 8-bit
    and 24-bit colour :)

    No MagiTerm for MacOS?

    Sorry, no. I used to do mac os builds, but it got too hard. The code is
    still there, so you might be able to build it.

    Andrew

    --- MagickaBBS v0.15alpha (Linux/x86_64)
    * Origin: HappyLand - telnet://happylandbbs.com:2023/ (21:1/126)
  • From Adept@21:2/108 to apam on Thursday, June 25, 2020 02:26:30
    Yeah an editor would be nice :) maybe you can make a feature request for mobius or something (that seems to be an active project)

    Looking at the github repository, it seems like any current work is going toward making it more comparable in features with PabloDraw, and most everything else would be in version 2, which would involve being a massive re-write.

    So I kinda felt weird about actually putting in the request on the page. But
    I haven't really done that sort of thing on github, and don't know the etiquette. I mean, it's a free product that I'm thankful for, regardless.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Storm BBS (21:2/108)
  • From apam@21:1/126 to Adept on Thursday, June 25, 2020 13:17:32
    So I kinda felt weird about actually putting in the request on the
    page. But I haven't really done that sort of thing on github, and
    don't know the etiquette. I mean, it's a free product that I'm
    thankful for, regardless.

    Fair enough, different people react differently to suggestions, feature requests etc.

    Mostly though, if you're polite they will look at your request, they
    might not add it, or disagree that it should be added. It may even spark
    some discussion about said feature. Most don't tear you to shreds for
    asking for a feature.

    Actually, engaging with developers lets them know you're actually using
    their product, which in the BBS world is a huge encouragement.

    So in short, the worst that could happen is they say no. (Unless you say something like "moebius is crap because it doesn't have feature x add it
    now!" - which I doubt you would, but some people do)

    Andrew

    --- MagickaBBS v0.15alpha (Linux/x86_64)
    * Origin: HappyLand - telnet://happylandbbs.com:2023/ (21:1/126)
  • From Adept@21:2/108 to apam on Thursday, June 25, 2020 05:57:01
    So in short, the worst that could happen is they say no. (Unless you say something like "moebius is crap because it doesn't have feature x add it now!" - which I doubt you would, but some people do)

    I decided to go ahead and post a message, after seeing a longer feature-suggestion note from xqtr that was received fairly well (even if the answer was "no, and here are the reasons" for lots of the requests).

    I phrased it as being something that was unlikely, but that I figured I'd mention in case people might do it some day. And that I'm thankful for
    Moebius anyway.

    It certainly is a nice editor, as I was able to adjust my ANSI much faster
    than I had been doing with PabloDraw.

    Regardless, thanks for the encouragement, and for adding 8-bit and 24-bit
    color ANSI support to MagiTerm.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Storm BBS (21:2/108)
  • From Tiny@21:1/130 to apam on Thursday, June 25, 2020 11:57:08
    Quoting apam to Adept <=-

    So in short, the worst that could happen is they say no. (Unless you
    say something like "moebius is crap because it doesn't have feature x
    add it now!" - which I doubt you would, but some people do)

    I've always found demanding features and being rude and abusive
    towards developers is the number 1 way to get things done! Damn lazy
    neck beards.

    Shawn

    ... All's well that ends.

    --- EzyBlueWave V3.00 01FB001F
    * Origin: Tiny's BBS - telnet://tinysbbs.com:3023 (21:1/130)
  • From apam@21:1/126 to Tiny on Friday, June 26, 2020 07:44:58
    Quoting apam to Adept <=-

    So in short, the worst that could happen is they say no.
    (Unless you say something like "moebius is crap because it
    doesn't have feature x add it now!" - which I doubt you would,
    but some people do)

    I've always found demanding features and being rude and abusive
    towards developers is the number 1 way to get things done! Damn
    lazy neck beards.

    Lol.


    --- MagickaBBS v0.15alpha (Linux/x86_64)
    * Origin: HappyLand - telnet://happylandbbs.com:2023/ (21:1/126)
  • From Tiny@21:1/130 to apam on Friday, June 26, 2020 07:59:10
    Quoting apam to Tiny <=-

    lazy neck beards.
    Lol.

    That's why I like the BBS, I can say stuff like that and people
    know it's a joke.

    Shawn

    ... Did you look at the docs? No, but I fondled the nurses!

    --- EzyBlueWave V3.00 01FB001F
    * Origin: Tiny's BBS - telnet://tinysbbs.com:3023 (21:1/130)