Hi Spectre,

There's a rumour going around over on FIDOTEST that you may have a way of adding a TZUTC kludge on older BBS/Mailers?

I realize it's not 100% required, but if I could add it through FastEcho somehow that'd be pretty cool.

Jay

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There's a rumour going around over on FIDOTEST that you may have a
way of adding a TZUTC kludge on older BBS/Mailers?

Well yes and no.... I make the addition after the message is edited and before its read back into the BBS. Probably only going to work for software that uses MSGTMP or something very similar.

I keep a short file with the UTC kludge in it, and simply use redirections to rebuild the MSGTMP before re-entry to the BBS.

Soo...

mv msgtmp msgtmp.new
type kludge.txt > MSGTMP
type msgtmp.new >> MSGTMP
exit

you have to be able to call the message editor from a batchfile rather than have it called directly as a .exe without command.com. What I use should work with any QuickBBS clone, so QBBS, old RA, SuperBBS, Celerity, and others.

Spec


--- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
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*** Quoting Spectre from a message to Warpslide ***

Well yes and no.... I make the addition after the message is edited
and before its read back into the BBS. Probably only going to work
for software that uses MSGTMP or something very similar.
mv msgtmp msgtmp.new type kludge.txt > MSGTMP type msgtmp.new >>
MSGTMP exit

mv msgtmp msgtmp.new type kludge.txt > MSGTMP type msgtmp.new >>
MSGTMP exit

Oooo, very clever!

Yup, I believe IceEdit uses MSGTMP and I do call it from a batch file. I'll play around with this.

Thanks so much!

Jay

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*** Quoting Spectre from a message to Warpslide ***

@TZUTC: 1000
@NOTE: IceEdit 2.35 a00000

mv msgtmp msgtmp.new
type kludge.txt > MSGTMP
type msgtmp.new >> MSGTMP
exit

I saw after the fact that you're using IceEdit as well, so I knew this should work, and it seems to. If all has gone according to plan, this message *should* have a TZUTC & CHRS kludge.

@ECHO OFF
C:
CD \TELEGARD\DOORS\IEDIT
ICEEDIT.EXE /D:C:\TELEGARD\TEMP%1
REN C:\TELEGARD\TEMP%1\MSGTMP MSGTMP.NEW
TYPE C:\TELEGARD\KLUDGE.TXT > C:\TELEGARD\TEMP%1\MSGTMP
TYPE C:\TELEGARD\TEMP%1\MSGTMP.NEW >> C:\TELEGARD\TEMP%1\MSGTMP
DEL C:\TELEGARD\TEMP%1\MSGTMP.NEW

Now I just have to finangle a way of updating that KLUDGE.TXT file twice a year for daylight saving time. Looks like the time is changing on the 14th for us from -5 to -4.

Thanks so much, that's very clever and helpful. I never would have thought
of adding it that way.

Jay

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TYPE C:\TELEGARD\TEMP%1\MSGTMP.NEW >> C:\TELEGARD\TEMP%1\MSGTMP DEL C:\TELEGARD\TEMP%1\MSGTMP.NEW

Strictly speaking you don't need the del, type or echo > filename will remove the old contents. I did have it, I eventually removed it for some reason I don't remember right now.

Now I just have to finangle a way of updating that KLUDGE.TXT file

Kludge always gave me a bit of grief. I had to edit it for starters in thedraw, it was the only thing that would add the ctl-a for me, s'pose I could've hexedited it. In the end I just run at standard time and ignore DST for the BBS.

Thanks so much, that's very clever and helpful. I never would have thought of adding it that way.

Not sure how else you'd do it, unless you want to start editing your message base. Its the only point there is access to the message contents. Can't argue with success eh :)

Spec


--- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
* Origin: (21:3/101)

*** Quoting Spectre from a message to Warpslide ***

Strictly speaking you don't need the del, type or echo > filename
will remove the old contents. I did have it, I eventually removed it
for some reason I don't remember right now.

I had to delete the MSGTMP.NEW file at the end. If I didn't, any new messages would always have the contents of my old message. (Until I logged off, then the BBS would wipe the file out).

It would appear that the REN command on Windows isn't destructive.

Kludge always gave me a bit of grief. I had to edit it for starters
in thedraw, it was the only thing that would add the ctl-a for me,
s'pose I could've hexedited it.

I just did ALT 001 (using the numpad) and it typed it ok. In Notepad++ it came up as a SOH character.

Not sure how else you'd do it, unless you want to start editing your message base. Its the only point there is access to the message
contents.

I was looking at FastEcho to see if there was some utility that would scan
the packets on their way out, it didn't occur to me to add them at the time
of creation.

Can't argue with success eh :)

Exactly, now those sticklers in FIDOTEST can get off my case! ;)


Jay

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--- Telegard v3.09.g2-sp4/mL
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*** Quoting Spectre from a message to Warpslide ***

@NOTE: IceEdit 2.35 a00000

P.S:

I found IEKEY235.ZIP & IEDIT235.ZIP on: http://bbs.valhallabbs.com/webv4/?page=002-files.xjs&dir=util

This lets you use a registered version of IceEdit where you can compile taglines, just in case you like taglines.


Jay

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--- Telegard v3.09.g2-sp4/mL
* Origin: Northern Realms | 289-424-5180 | bbs.nrbbs.net (21:3/110)

There's a rumour going around over on FIDOTEST that you may have a
way of adding a TZUTC kludge on older BBS/Mailers?

Well yes and no.... I make the addition after the message is edited and before its read back into the BBS. Probably only going to work for software that uses MSGTMP or something very similar.

I keep a short file with the UTC kludge in it, and simply use redirections to rebuild the MSGTMP before re-entry to the BBS.

Soo...

mv msgtmp msgtmp.new
type kludge.txt > MSGTMP
type msgtmp.new >> MSGTMP
exit

you have to be able to call the message editor from a batchfile rather than have it called directly as a .exe without command.com. What I use should work with any QuickBBS clone, so QBBS, old RA, SuperBBS, Celerity, and others.

Spec


--- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
* Origin: (21:3/101)

TYPE C:\TELEGARD\TEMP%1\MSGTMP.NEW >> C:\TELEGARD\TEMP%1\MSGTMP DEL C:\TELEGARD\TEMP%1\MSGTMP.NEW

Strictly speaking you don't need the del, type or echo > filename will remove the old contents. I did have it, I eventually removed it for some reason I don't remember right now.

Now I just have to finangle a way of updating that KLUDGE.TXT file

Kludge always gave me a bit of grief. I had to edit it for starters in thedraw, it was the only thing that would add the ctl-a for me, s'pose I could've hexedited it. In the end I just run at standard time and ignore DST for the BBS.

Thanks so much, that's very clever and helpful. I never would have thought of adding it that way.

Not sure how else you'd do it, unless you want to start editing your message base. Its the only point there is access to the message contents. Can't argue with success eh :)

Spec


--- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
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