• QWK/BW Packet Twitlist

    From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to ALL on Saturday, August 13, 2022 09:45:00
    I have, at times, read where some user is bragging that they were able to
    add someone to a twitlist in Multimail. I recently upgraded to the latest version (I could find) - v0.52 - and still do not see any such feature.

    Does such a feature even exist?


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Dumas Walker on Saturday, August 13, 2022 10:22:00
    Dumas Walker wrote to ALL <=-

    I have, at times, read where some user is bragging that they were
    able to add someone to a twitlist in Multimail. I recently
    upgraded to the latest version (I could find) - v0.52 - and still
    do not see any such feature.

    Does such a feature even exist?

    I've been using MM 0.52 for quite a while, and do not believe such a
    feature is included with the program.



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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Gamgee on Saturday, August 13, 2022 12:14:57
    BY: Gamgee(21:2/138)


    I've been using MM 0.52 for quite a while, and do not believe such a feature is included with the program.
    That would be a cool idea for the next version. Maybe there could be a note to the maintainers to consider the idea for 0.53 on the official cvs.


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  • From fusion@21:1/616 to Utopian Galt on Saturday, August 13, 2022 15:47:47
    On 13 Aug 2022, Utopian Galt said the following...

    I've been using MM 0.52 for quite a while, and do not believe such a feature is included with the program.
    That would be a cool idea for the next version. Maybe there could be a note to the maintainers to consider the idea for 0.53 on the official
    cvs.

    what if i'm the twit? ;)

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Dumas Walker on Saturday, August 13, 2022 14:44:08
    I have, at times, read where some user is bragging that they were able to
    add someone to a twitlist in Multimail. I recently upgraded to the latest version (I could find) - v0.52 - and still do not see any such feature.

    On BBBS I can add names or subjects to the twitlist and then the BBS skips messages from that user or subject. The twitlist works online or in offline mail packets.

    Does such a feature even exist?

    Not that I know of. I have read that BlueWave has a twitlist but I haven't used BW in a long time so I'm not sure of that.

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Utopian Galt on Saturday, August 13, 2022 14:46:14
    I've been using MM 0.52 for quite a while, and do not believe such a
    feature is included with the program.
    That would be a cool idea for the next version. Maybe there could be a note to the maintainers to consider the idea for 0.53 on the official cvs.

    MultiMail is still being developed/updated, so you could ask that a twitlist be added. I don't know if the idea would get any traction, but it wouldn't hurt to ask about it.

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  • From fusion@21:1/616 to Al on Saturday, August 13, 2022 17:55:38
    On 13 Aug 2022, Al said the following...

    MultiMail is still being developed/updated, so you could ask that a twitlist be added. I don't know if the idea would get any traction, but
    it wouldn't hurt to ask about it.

    i never really got this concept. like a self inflicted safe space or something. easy enough to just blast past those messages. you're stuck with the messages of other people interacting with them anyways.

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to fusion on Saturday, August 13, 2022 15:17:22
    MultiMail is still being developed/updated, so you could ask that a
    twitlist be added. I don't know if the idea would get any traction, but
    it wouldn't hurt to ask about it.

    i never really got this concept. like a self inflicted safe space or something easy enough to just blast past those messages. you're stuck with the messages of other people interacting with them anyways.

    That's why I'm not sure the idea would get any traction.

    The twitlist is a good way to get people who just annoy you out of your face.

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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Fusion on Saturday, August 13, 2022 16:02:42
    BY: fusion(21:1/616)


    i never really got this concept. like a self inflicted safe space or something. easy enough to just blast past those messages. you're stuck
    with the messages of other people interacting with them anyways.
    There is someone on dovenet i loathe talking to for the last 15 plus years. Jas Hud.
    Its a blessing when i can strip his posts.


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Utopian Galt on Saturday, August 13, 2022 18:30:00
    Utopian Galt wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I've been using MM 0.52 for quite a while, and do not believe such a feature is included with the program.

    That would be a cool idea for the next version. Maybe there could
    be a note to the maintainers to consider the idea for 0.53 on the
    official cvs.

    Sure, I agree. I've left a couple of requests/suggestions in the past
    to the maintainer, and he's been completely non-responsive.



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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Utopian Galt on Saturday, August 13, 2022 18:48:00
    Utopian Galt wrote to Fusion <=-

    i never really got this concept. like a self inflicted safe space or something. easy enough to just blast past those messages. you're stuck
    with the messages of other people interacting with them anyways.

    There is someone on dovenet i loathe talking to for the last 15
    plus years. Jas Hud. Its a blessing when i can strip his posts.

    Synchronet BBS software has a twitlist function built in. The messages
    would never make it to the offline reader.



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  • From Al@21:4/106.2 to Gamgee on Saturday, August 13, 2022 17:58:12
    Gamgee wrote to Utopian Galt:

    Synchronet BBS software has a twitlist function built in. The messages would never make it to the offline reader.

    Synchronet's twitlist is destructive. Filtered messages never make it into
    the BBS. That's good if you are the only one reading on that BBS but if you have a multi user BBS a per user (non destructive) filter would be better.

    Ttyl,
    Al

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Al on Sunday, August 14, 2022 09:25:17
    Al wrote to fusion <=-

    The twitlist is a good way to get people who just annoy you out of your face.

    Exactly. :) Like he said I can just skip the messages, but being able to automate that wouldn't be bad.



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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Gamgee on Sunday, August 14, 2022 09:28:10
    Gamgee wrote to Utopian Galt <=-

    Synchronet BBS software has a twitlist function built in. The messages would never make it to the offline reader.

    In some cases, that is great, like in echos one moderates and there is a user/users who not only ignore the rules but tell the moderator that they
    plan to ignore them because "they cannot be moderated." ;)

    In other cases, I don't really care if the messages are read by others, I
    just don't want to personally read them any more. :)



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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Al on Sunday, August 14, 2022 09:28:38
    Al wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    I have, at times, read where some user is bragging that they were able to add someone to a twitlist in Multimail. I recently upgraded to the latest version (I could find) - v0.52 - and still do not see any such feature.

    On BBBS I can add names or subjects to the twitlist and then the BBS
    skips messages from that user or subject. The twitlist works online or
    in offline mail packets.

    The use cases I can see for this feature would be:

    (1) when a user doesn't want to read messages from a certain poster (i.e. a user that does not run a BBS);
    (2) I as a sysop might want to skip messages from a certain poster but
    don't want to prevent the same posts from being seen/read by others.

    It is easy enough just to skip them, of course. :)


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to fusion on Sunday, August 14, 2022 09:30:08
    fusion wrote to Al <=-

    On 13 Aug 2022, Al said the following...

    MultiMail is still being developed/updated, so you could ask that a twitlist be added. I don't know if the idea would get any traction, but
    it wouldn't hurt to ask about it.

    i never really got this concept. like a self inflicted safe space or something. easy enough to just blast past those messages. you're stuck with the messages of other people interacting with them anyways.

    Actually, some BBS twitlists are "advanced" enough that messages both from and to that user disappear. It is like they don't exist. :) In the case of running a BBS, those are perfect for echos that you moderate. Yes, in the
    case of an FTN or QWK network, the messages are still on the network
    somewhere, but they don't show on your BBS or go to any downlinks you might have, allowing for at least some level of moderation.

    Any replies to that user also disappear.


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  • From Al@21:4/106.2 to Blue White on Sunday, August 14, 2022 11:13:29
    Blue White wrote to Al:

    The use cases I can see for this feature would be:

    (1) when a user doesn't want to read messages from a certain poster (i.e. user that does not run a BBS);
    (2) I as a sysop might want to skip messages from a certain poster but don't want to prevent the same posts from being seen/read by others.

    Exactly.

    It is easy enough just to skip them, of course. :)

    True enough. I just use the next key but it's good to know help is there if needed.

    Ttyl,
    Al

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  • From Elf@21:1/194 to BLUE WHITE on Sunday, August 14, 2022 22:04:00
    Quoting Blue White to Fusion <=-

    Actually, some BBS twitlists are "advanced" enough that messages both
    from and to that user disappear. It is like they don't exist. :) In
    the case of running a BBS, those are perfect for echos that you
    moderate. Yes, in the case of an FTN or QWK network, the messages are

    I use BlueWave reader (2.30) for DOS and it has twitlist filtering that
    will block messages from and to the specified user you enter. Works
    great so that I don't have to get blasted by this one user who is just a provoker and I don't have to see any messages TO him from OTHERS either.
    Nice. Don't have to think about it as the reader will autoskip those
    messages. I like that they ARE in the QWK packet though, so if I want to
    peak in and see what's going on I can. Otherwise, I don't have to bother
    with that users messages in any direction.

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  • From Elf@21:1/194 to AL on Sunday, August 14, 2022 22:05:00
    Quoting Al to Dumas Walker <=-

    Not that I know of. I have read that BlueWave has a twitlist but I
    haven't used BW in a long time so I'm not sure of that.

    BlueWave 2.30 for DOS. Twitlist to block users in either direction (TO
    or FROM).

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Elf on Sunday, August 14, 2022 22:28:46
    Not that I know of. I have read that BlueWave has a twitlist but I
    haven't used BW in a long time so I'm not sure of that.

    BlueWave 2.30 for DOS. Twitlist to block users in either direction (TO
    or FROM).

    That's what I thought. Thanks for the confirmation.

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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Gamgee on Monday, August 15, 2022 06:43:02
    BY: Gamgee(21:2/138)


    Sure, I agree. I've left a couple of requests/suggestions in the past
    to the maintainer, and he's been completely non-responsive.
    William McBrine may not be as active, but I think some other people have messed with the code like Robert Wolfe.


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Utopian Galt on Monday, August 15, 2022 09:39:00
    Utopian Galt wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Sure, I agree. I've left a couple of requests/suggestions in the past
    to the maintainer, and he's been completely non-responsive.

    William McBrine may not be as active, but I think some other
    people have messed with the code like Robert Wolfe.

    Okay..... but what does that mean? Is there something newer than 0.52 available somewhere?



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  • From fusion@21:1/616 to Gamgee on Monday, August 15, 2022 18:42:36
    On 15 Aug 2022, Gamgee said the following...

    Okay..... but what does that mean? Is there something newer than 0.52 available somewhere?

    probably just means two people are not active heh

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Gamgee on Monday, August 15, 2022 17:06:28
    William McBrine may not be as active, but I think some other
    people have messed with the code like Robert Wolfe.

    Okay..... but what does that mean? Is there something newer than 0.52 available somewhere?

    There have been some changes since 0.52 was released. I don't think those were big changes or there would be a new release. You can grab that updated source from github if you want to have a look.

    https://github.com/wmcbrine/MultiMail

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Al on Tuesday, August 16, 2022 07:22:00
    Al wrote to Gamgee <=-

    William McBrine may not be as active, but I think some other
    people have messed with the code like Robert Wolfe.

    Okay..... but what does that mean? Is there something newer than 0.52 available somewhere?

    There have been some changes since 0.52 was released. I don't
    think those were big changes or there would be a new release. You
    can grab that updated source from github if you want to have a
    look.

    https://github.com/wmcbrine/MultiMail

    Okay, thanks. Looked through the commit lists and it mostly looks like documentation changes and maybe some windows/bluewave minor stuff. Will
    keep watching it, appreciate the response.


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Al on Tuesday, August 16, 2022 15:53:53
    Synchronet's twitlist is destructive. Filtered messages never make
    it into the BBS. That's good if you are the only one reading on
    that BBS but if you have a multi user BBS a per user (non
    destructive) filter would be better.

    There is a use case for that also.

    Let's say you moderate an FTN echo. You have a user, let's call tehm
    Bee Felfaso, who posts off-topic messages that include references to
    human genetalia, bodily fluids, excrement, and other things. You as
    the moderator ask Bee to quit posting such nonsense in your echo.
    Bee responds that it is "freedom of speech" and that, since it is an
    FTN echo, you cannot moderate them.

    The Synchronet twitlist may not prevent their filth from
    proliferating to all other BBSes, but it will keep it off of your
    board and off of any board that gets their feed from you.

    So, you can at least partially moderate them. :)


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Al on Tuesday, August 16, 2022 16:04:11
    Al wrote to Gamgee <=-

    William McBrine may not be as active, but I think some other
    people have messed with the code like Robert Wolfe.

    Okay..... but what does that mean? Is there something newer than 0.52 available somewhere?

    There have been some changes since 0.52 was released. I don't think
    those were big changes or there would be a new release. You can grab
    that updated source from github if you want to have a look.

    https://github.com/wmcbrine/MultiMail

    That is where I got it. There is no twit filter, at least not in the DOS version.


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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Blue White on Tuesday, August 16, 2022 17:50:50
    Let's say you moderate an FTN echo. You have a user, let's call tehm
    Bee Felfaso, who posts off-topic messages that include references to
    human genetalia, bodily fluids, excrement, and other things. You as
    the moderator ask Bee to quit posting such nonsense in your echo.
    Bee responds that it is "freedom of speech" and that, since it is an
    FTN echo, you cannot moderate them.

    As it says in the default twitlist.cfg the intention is that if your BBS is being harassed by a specific person you will be able to filter that person.

    I have never used that feature but I think there may be cases where it will do what needs to be done.

    But that is not what you are describing. This user is annoying to you and you could put them in a twitlist in your reader. If you were to disrupt the flow of mail in the network some might call that excessively annoying.

    If you are a one person BBS and not feeding others I see no problem, but on a multiuser BBS feeding others I would find another solution.

    The Synchronet twitlist may not prevent their filth from
    proliferating to all other BBSes, but it will keep it off of your
    board and off of any board that gets their feed from you.

    So, you can at least partially moderate them. :)

    I agree it's not easy to moderate today, but be moderate while moderating. :)

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Blue White on Tuesday, August 16, 2022 17:52:54
    There have been some changes since 0.52 was released. I don't think
    those were big changes or there would be a new release. You can grab
    that updated source from github if you want to have a look.

    https://github.com/wmcbrine/MultiMail

    No, MultiMail has no twit filter. I have my doubts it ever will but I would support the addition of that to MultiMail.

    It would be a handy feature when there are no other filters to apply.

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Al on Wednesday, August 17, 2022 15:59:41
    Al wrote to Blue White <=-

    But that is not what you are describing. This user is annoying to you
    and you could put them in a twitlist in your reader. If you were to disrupt the flow of mail in the network some might call that
    excessively annoying.

    If you are moderating the echo, and all else fails...

    but on a multiuser BBS feeding others I would find another solution.

    Putting up with the behavior is the only other solution.




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