• boring stuff...

    From Spectre@21:3/101 to Somebody on Thursday, May 12, 2022 15:59:00
    Hmm we're getting ready for a federal election here. Being able to pre poll, or vote early I made a move and got the job done. My back dislikes many
    things, and standing around in queues tends to be one of them. But as usual I see no one worth voting for... we have the regular left and right parties labour and liberal respectively who in this day and age are almost
    photocopies of each other... as well as assorted other crackpots. So I say, "The Informal Party" needs your vote.... VOTE [1] for the Donkey. :P

    Just to note, our Donkey has no relation to a party, its merely a vote that
    is either numbered from 1....x down the page, or an informal vote, which is either blank, or you add your own electee, like Don Key. :)

    Spec the disenfranchised.


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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Spectre on Thursday, May 12, 2022 22:53:45
    Hmm we're getting ready for a federal election here. Being able to pre poll, or vote early I made a move and got the job done. My back dislikes many things, and standing around in queues tends to be one of them. But
    as usual I see no one worth voting for... we have the regular left and right parties labour and liberal respectively who in this day and age
    are almost photocopies of each other... as well as assorted other crackpots. So I say, "The Informal Party" needs your vote.... VOTE [1]
    for the Donkey. :P

    Just to note, our Donkey has no relation to a party, its merely a vote that is either numbered from 1....x down the page, or an informal vote, which is either blank, or you add your own electee, like Don Key. :)

    Spec the disenfranchised.


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    I have voted for the Easter Bunny before. Numbering 1....x down the page would be a legitimate vote, so don't do that if you don't care.

    Both parties are indeed awful, and neither is worthy of being in a position of power. Our choice is between "We can't afford more Morrison" and "It won't be easy under Albanese". As Charlie Brown would remark, Good Grief...

    The worst thing is, I have yet to see one election ad on TV which isn't simply trashing the other side. Not one which is telling me why I should vote for them, what they will do, only some crap about why the other guy is no good.

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  • From The Millionaire to Spectre on Thursday, May 12, 2022 10:03:32

    Hmm we're getting ready for a federal election here. Being able to pre poll, or vote early I made a move and got the job done. My back dislikes many things, and standing around in queues tends to be one of them. But as usual I see no one worth voting for... we have the regular left and right parties labour and liberal respectively who in this day and age are almost photocopies of each other... as well as assorted other crackpots. So I say, "The Informal Party" needs your vote.... VOTE [1] for the Donkey. :P

    Just to note, our Donkey has no relation to a party, its merely a vote that is either numbered from 1....x down the page, or an informal vote, which is either blank, or you add your own electee, like Don Key. :)

    Spec the disenfranchised.

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    Aren't Donkeys Democrats and Rhinos Republicans?

    $ The Millionaire $
  • From The Millionaire to Spectre on Thursday, May 12, 2022 11:11:23
    Oops. Elephants are Republicans.

    $ The Millionaire $
  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to The Millionaire on Thursday, May 12, 2022 15:28:00
    Re: boring stuff...
    By: The Millionaire to Spectre on Thu May 12 2022 10:03 am

    Aren't Donkeys Democrats and Rhinos Republicans?

    $ The Millionaire $

    When people talk about donkey votes, they talk about invalid votes purposedly cast in an invalid state as a protest.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to The Millionaire on Thursday, May 12, 2022 14:02:13
    Re: boring stuff...
    By: The Millionaire to Spectre on Thu May 12 2022 10:03 am

    Aren't Donkeys Democrats and Rhinos Republicans?

    It may be different in different countries, but in the US, republicans are usually represented by elephants.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to The Millionaire on Friday, May 13, 2022 09:16:00
    Aren't Donkeys Democrats and Rhinos Republicans?

    I thought it was effluents.....but the answer is, you either didn't read, or don't believe the message... no, we don't have democrats or republicans...
    not being a republic....

    Spec


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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to The Millionaire on Friday, May 13, 2022 12:11:06
    Aren't Donkeys Democrats and Rhinos Republicans?

    $ The Millionaire $

    Not in Australia. In Australia, the two major parties are Labor and Liberal (though the Libs are more socially conservative, go figure). No animals used here.

    A "donkey vote" is slang for a informal vote, which is basically a vote made that is invalid, either not valid because it is blank, defaced, or has another fake candidate written in.

    Voting is compulsory in Australia, so even if you don't want to vote for anyone, you still have to turn up to a voting booth and have your name checked off. I don't know what happens if you just walk out then without submitting a ballot, but for those who are in a position of having to cast a vote, and not actually wanting to do one, a 'donkey vote' is a way out.

    This would be rare in the US, because if you don't want to cast a vote, you don't have to. We do, but there is no way of tracking
    who put in a blank ballot paper or not so you can get away with doing that silently.

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Arelor on Friday, May 13, 2022 12:14:35
    Aren't Donkeys Democrats and Rhinos Republicans?

    $ The Millionaire $

    When people talk about donkey votes, they talk about invalid votes purposedly cast in an invalid state as a protest.

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    The best way to protest is Australia is to vote for minor parties (and NOT for fake "independents" who are actually from a major party pretending not to be supportive of one).

    Having enough minor parties or candidates win seats means the major parties have to work with them to pass bills. A hung
    parliament is a good way to protest, vote enough minors and have the major parties unable to secure a majority.

    We had that about 10 years ago and the media went nuts, because people weren't supporting the establishment and not "voting properly".

    This is the best way to send a message. Informal votes mean nothing, are ignored.

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  • From The Millionaire to Spectre on Thursday, May 12, 2022 17:49:03


    I thought it was effluents.....but the answer is, you either didn't read, or don't believe the message... no, we don't have democrats or republicans... not being a republic....

    Spec

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    What country are you from then?

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to The Millionaire on Friday, May 13, 2022 11:03:00
    What country are you from then?

    'Straya


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  • From The Millionaire to Spectre on Thursday, May 12, 2022 18:26:44


    'Straya

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    Yeah May 21st is your election date. I looked it up.

    $ The Millionaire $
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to boraxman on Friday, May 13, 2022 12:13:00
    The best way to protest is Australia is to vote for minor parties (and NOT

    But then you're generally voting for the crackpots, and those you might otherwise call morons, but that'd be a slight to all the real morons or even low grade morons out there.


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  • From ACMEBBS@21:4/10 to boraxman on Friday, May 13, 2022 01:44:00
    boraxman wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    Aren't Donkeys Democrats and Rhinos Republicans?

    $ The Millionaire $

    Voting is compulsory in Australia, so even if you don't want to vote
    for anyone, you still have to turn up to a voting booth and have your
    name checked off. I don't know what happens if you just walk out then without submitting a ballot, but for those who are in a position of
    having to cast a vote, and not actually wanting to do one, a 'donkey
    vote' is a way out.

    Being in Oregon...the whole state has been voting by mail for around 20 years. Myself...not a Democrat or Republican...but a member of the Progressive party, Means I couldn't vote for candidates of either of these two parties because of what they call a closed primary allows you to either vote for those in the party you are registered with. Other states have open primaries where anyone who is registered can vote for whoever.

    My question is...does the government allow you to vote by mail or absentee (can't vote in person...so you vote beforehand)?


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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Spectre on Friday, May 13, 2022 21:19:48
    On 13 May 2022 at 12:13p, Spectre pondered and said...

    The best way to protest is Australia is to vote for minor parties (an

    But then you're generally voting for the crackpots, and those you might otherwise call morons, but that'd be a slight to all the real morons or even low grade morons out there.


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    True, but the mainstream parties are destructive enough, so I figure the difference isn't as much as it appears. The Liberals APPEAR smarter and more professional.

    Voting for the "crazies" scares them, and they should be scared of us.

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to ACMEBBS on Friday, May 13, 2022 21:21:35
    On 13 May 2022 at 01:44a, ACMEBBS pondered and said...

    boraxman wrote to The Millionaire <=-

    Aren't Donkeys Democrats and Rhinos Republicans?

    $ The Millionaire $

    Voting is compulsory in Australia, so even if you don't want to vote for anyone, you still have to turn up to a voting booth and have your name checked off. I don't know what happens if you just walk out the without submitting a ballot, but for those who are in a position of having to cast a vote, and not actually wanting to do one, a 'donkey vote' is a way out.

    Being in Oregon...the whole state has been voting by mail for around 20 years. Myself...not a Democrat or Republican...but a member of the Progressive party, Means I couldn't vote for candidates of either of these two parties because of what they call a closed primary allows you
    to either vote for those in the party you are registered with. Other states have open primaries where anyone who is registered can vote for whoever.

    My question is...does the government allow you to vote by mail or
    absentee (can't vote in person...so you vote beforehand)?


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    Yes, you can vote beforehand in person or by mail if you're not going to be available to vote on the day.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to ACMEBBS on Friday, May 13, 2022 20:24:00
    My question is...does the government allow you to vote by mail or absentee (can't vote in person...so you vote beforehand)?

    Yes they do, there are limitations, by being somewhere else on the day, overseas or interstate, and health concerns. You can vote in person early at pre poll stations or get a postal ballot. In practice the limitations are minimal, they only ask you if you feel you qualify for early voting, no one actually checks the details of why.

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to boraxman on Friday, May 13, 2022 20:29:00
    difference isn't as much as it appears. The Liberals APPEAR smarter and more professional.

    They appear to shoot themselves in the vegetables slightly less often, but whether that's because they're smarter or just lucky I don't know.

    Voting for the "crazies" scares them, and they should be scared of us.

    Being the good ol' two party preferred system though, most of those
    preferences will still ultimately filter through to one of the two main parties, or if you're an unlucky labour contender to the greens... so you've either got to preference everyone or just give it a miss..

    Spec


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  • From Dr. What@21:1/126 to The Millionaire on Friday, May 13, 2022 23:50:19
    The Millionaire wrote to Spectre <=-

    Oops. Elephants are Republicans.

    RINO = Republican in name only.

    But a rhino **does** sort of look like a cross between an elephant and a donkey.


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  • From ACMEBBS@21:4/10 to boraxman on Friday, May 13, 2022 05:21:00
    boraxman wrote to ACMEBBS <=-

    On 13 May 2022 at 01:44a, ACMEBBS pondered and said...

    Being in Oregon...the whole state has been voting by mail for around 20 years. Myself...not a Democrat or Republican...but a member of the Progressive party, Means I couldn't vote for candidates of either of these two parties because of what they call a closed primary allows you
    to either vote for those in the party you are registered with. Other states have open primaries where anyone who is registered can vote for whoever.

    My question is...does the government allow you to vote by mail or
    absentee (can't vote in person...so you vote beforehand)?

    Yes, you can vote beforehand in person or by mail if you're not going
    to be available to vote on the day.

    Thank you for the information. Love asking questions about things I should know...but don't.
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  • From ACMEBBS@21:4/10 to Spectre on Friday, May 13, 2022 05:27:00
    Spectre wrote to ACMEBBS <=-

    My question is...does the government allow you to vote by mail or absentee (can't vote in person...so you vote beforehand)?

    Yes they do, there are limitations, by being somewhere else on the day, overseas or interstate, and health concerns. You can vote in person
    early at pre poll stations or get a postal ballot. In practice the limitations are minimal, they only ask you if you feel you qualify for early voting, no one actually checks the details of why.

    Thank you for the information.

    Especially in some of the more backward parts of the USA...the fundamentalists are doing everything they can to make sure that non-WASP's can't do this. For instance...in the past when I lived in Oklahoma...you could request an absentee ballot...but they would throw a fit for anything but being elderly or in the hospital. From what I hear...things haven't changed much.
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to ACMEBBS on Friday, May 13, 2022 09:01:55
    Re: Re: boring stuff...
    By: ACMEBBS to boraxman on Fri May 13 2022 01:44 am

    Being in Oregon...the whole state has been voting by mail for around 20 years. Myself...not a Democrat or Republican...but a member of the

    That's cool. I'm also in Oregon. :) I thought it was funny to hear people in other states debating about allowing voting by mail, and people saying they worry that voting by mail could make it easier to commit voting fraud. In the last 20 years, I haven't heard of Oregon running into a major case of voting fraud (at least if there was, it seems nobody has said anything).

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Dr. What on Friday, May 13, 2022 09:02:51
    Re: Re: boring stuff...
    By: Dr. What to The Millionaire on Fri May 13 2022 11:50 pm

    Oops. Elephants are Republicans.

    RINO = Republican in name only.

    But a rhino **does** sort of look like a cross between an elephant and a donkey.

    But what do you get when you cross an elephant with a rhino?
    Elephino..

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Spectre on Saturday, May 14, 2022 12:39:44
    On 13 May 2022 at 08:29p, Spectre pondered and said...

    difference isn't as much as it appears. The Liberals APPEAR smarter more professional.

    They appear to shoot themselves in the vegetables slightly less often,
    but whether that's because they're smarter or just lucky I don't know.

    Voting for the "crazies" scares them, and they should be scared of us

    Being the good ol' two party preferred system though, most of those preferences will still ultimately filter through to one of the two main parties, or if you're an unlucky labour contender to the greens... so you've either got to preference everyone or just give it a miss..

    Spec



    A hung parliament would be good. We've dealt with enough disruption to become used to it now.

    I do preference everyone, every time, for the green ballot.

    I'm not a 'stick to the defaults' kind of guy.

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to ACMEBBS on Saturday, May 14, 2022 12:43:05
    Yes they do, there are limitations, by being somewhere else on the da overseas or interstate, and health concerns. You can vote in person early at pre poll stations or get a postal ballot. In practice the limitations are minimal, they only ask you if you feel you qualify fo early voting, no one actually checks the details of why.

    Thank you for the information.

    Especially in some of the more backward parts of the USA...the fundamentalists are doing everything they can to make sure that
    non-WASP's can't do this. For instance...in the past when I lived in Oklahoma...you could request an absentee ballot...but they would throw a fit for anything but being elderly or in the hospital. From what I hear...things haven't changed much. ... What is mind? No matter! What is matter? Never mind! - Homer S. --- MultiMail/Win v0.52
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    There are a lot of claims coming out of the US, and to be honest, I take it all with a grain of salt. Politics there seems incredibly toxic and the society very divided, with two ideological camps, each framing facts through their own lens.

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  • From ACMEBBS@21:4/10 to Nightfox on Saturday, May 14, 2022 00:18:00
    Nightfox wrote to ACMEBBS <=-

    Re: Re: boring stuff...
    By: ACMEBBS to boraxman on Fri May 13 2022 01:44 am

    Being in Oregon...the whole state has been voting by mail for around 20 years. Myself...not a Democrat or Republican...but a member of the

    That's cool. I'm also in Oregon. :) I thought it was funny to hear people in other states debating about allowing voting by mail, and
    people saying they worry that voting by mail could make it easier to commit voting fraud. In the last 20 years, I haven't heard of Oregon running into a major case of voting fraud (at least if there was, it
    seems nobody has said anything).

    Thank you for letting me know you're here as well. Of all the places I've lived...have found Oregon has been the one place where I've been happy the most. Don't get me wrong...things aren't perfect...but having lived in the Bible Noose and other places like that (such as Idaho/Oklahoma/Texas)...the only other place I would head to in a heart beat would be outside the US. Would love to be in person with Avon or where my ancestors originally came from (UK/Switzerland & such) in the 17/18th century.

    As a fan of Thom Hartmann out of Portland...he has said the same thing about the way voting is done in Oregon. Have already voted for May 17th...but since I'm neither Democrat/Republican...could only vote for tax increases for the local college and non-partisan judges.
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  • From ACMEBBS@21:4/10 to boraxman on Saturday, May 14, 2022 00:22:00
    boraxman wrote to ACMEBBS <=-

    bo> There are a lot of claims coming out of the US, and to be honest, I
    take it all with a grain of salt. Politics there seems incredibly
    toxic and the society very divided, with two ideological camps, each framing facts through their own lens.

    You are totally right. With much of the US media owned by a handfull of companies...I don't trust anything I hear. That's why I only watch non-US sources (Reuters/CBC/BBC/DW/NGK/60 Minutes Australia) to get an idea of what's going on.
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to ACMEBBS on Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:28:46
    Re: Re: boring stuff...
    By: ACMEBBS to Nightfox on Sat May 14 2022 12:18 am

    Thank you for letting me know you're here as well. Of all the places I've lived...have found Oregon has been the one place where I've been happy the most. Don't get me wrong...things aren't perfect...but having lived in the Bible Noose and other places like that (such as Idaho/Oklahoma/Texas)...the only other place I would head to in a heart beat would be outside the US. Would love to be in person with Avon or where my ancestors originally came from (UK/Switzerland & such) in the 17/18th century.

    I was born in Oregon and grew up here. But I have some ancestry from Europe as well (UK, Ireland, Germany, Russia).

    I'm basically happy here. Also, a main reason I've stayed in Oregon is that most of my friends and immediate family are still here.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to ACMEBBS on Friday, May 13, 2022 06:54:00
    ACMEBBS wrote to Spectre <=-

    Especially in some of the more backward parts of the USA...the fundamentalists are doing everything they can to make sure that
    non-WASP's can't do this. For instance...in the past when I lived in Oklahoma...you could request an absentee ballot...but they would throw
    a fit for anything but being elderly or in the hospital. From what I hear...things haven't changed much.

    Come to California. Everyone gets a mail-in ballot, and you can drop
    it off in a ballot box if you don't want to use the postal service.



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  • From ACMEBBS@21:4/10 to Nightfox on Sunday, May 15, 2022 00:05:00
    Nightfox wrote to ACMEBBS <=-

    Re: Re: boring stuff...
    By: ACMEBBS to Nightfox on Sat May 14 2022 12:18 am

    Thank you for letting me know you're here as well. Of all the places I've lived...have found Oregon has been the one place where I've been happy the most. Don't get me wrong...things aren't perfect...but having lived in the Bible Noose and other places like that (such as Idaho/Oklahoma/Texas)...the only other place I would head to in a heart beat would be outside the US. Would love to be in person with Avon or where my ancestors originally came from (UK/Switzerland & such) in the 17/18th century.

    I was born in Oregon and grew up here. But I have some ancestry from Europe as well (UK, Ireland, Germany, Russia).

    NICE! Half the ancestors came to South Carolina in 1629 from Switzerland...while the other half came from Bristol in the UK a few years later. Even saw a will written by one of my ancestors who owned some land around the mid-1770's.

    I'm basically happy here. Also, a main reason I've stayed in Oregon is that most of my friends and immediate family are still here.

    No relatives here...but have been most successful here. Friends are some of the best people I've ever met. Relaxation has become more and more important the older I get. Having lived in Oklahoma/Idaho in the past...always ended stressed from never making enough to live or hope things will be better.

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  • From ACMEBBS@21:4/10 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, May 15, 2022 00:14:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to ACMEBBS <=-

    ACMEBBS wrote to Spectre <=-

    Especially in some of the more backward parts of the USA...the fundamentalists are doing everything they can to make sure that
    non-WASP's can't do this. For instance...in the past when I lived in Oklahoma...you could request an absentee ballot...but they would throw
    a fit for anything but being elderly or in the hospital. From what I hear...things haven't changed much.

    Come to California. Everyone gets a mail-in ballot, and you can drop
    it off in a ballot box if you don't want to use the postal service.

    Same thing here. The local libraries keep their outer lobbies open around the clock with a drop box during election time.

    Compared to other places I've lived...seems like they go out of their way to make voting easy. The only thing I don't like is the closed primaries.

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to ACMEBBS on Sunday, May 15, 2022 08:23:19
    Re: Re: boring stuff...
    By: ACMEBBS to Nightfox on Sat May 14 2022 12:18 am

    Thank you for letting me know you're here as well. Of all the places I've lived...have found Oregon has been the one place where I've been happy the most. Don't get me wrong...things aren't perfect...but having lived in the

    Is this the same ACME BBS in the Pacific NW where the sysop is a Looney
    Tunes fan (hence the BBS name)? If so, welcome back!



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to ACMEBBS on Sunday, May 15, 2022 08:14:00
    ACMEBBS wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Same thing here. The local libraries keep their outer lobbies open
    around the clock with a drop box during election time.

    I worked in local government for a stint, and the library people got
    my highest respect. I've never seen a government organization as
    focused on helping people.

    I don't mean the end result, as one could argue that there are local
    government organizations doing a lot of good for people. But, they
    often seemed like they're punching a clock and following a process.
    The library organization was focused on making tax dollars help
    people.

    My manager referred to them as "county-run homeless shelters". I
    didn't last long there.




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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Sunday, May 15, 2022 18:16:19
    Re: Re: boring stuff...
    By: Nightfox to ACMEBBS on Fri May 13 2022 09:01 am

    Re: Re: boring stuff...
    By: ACMEBBS to boraxman on Fri May 13 2022 01:44 am

    Being in Oregon...the whole state has been voting by mail for around 20 years. Myself...not a Democrat or Republican...but a member of the

    That's cool. I'm also in Oregon. :) I thought it was funny to hear people other states debating about allowing voting by mail, and people saying they worry that voting by mail could make it easier to commit voting fraud. In t last 20 years, I haven't heard of Oregon running into a major case of voting fraud (at least if there was, it seems nobody has said anything).

    Nightfox

    How solid mail voting is depends on how seriously the administration takes it.

    The Spanish way is that you need to walk into office and declare that you intend to vote by mail. They give you the envelops and ballots and register your name. The envelop you use for mail voting is linked to your identity.

    When the deadlines are formalized and declared, you may put your selected ballot in the envelop and put it in the mail. The ballot, within the envelop, will be forwarded to the corresponding Electoral Junta.

    THe day of the election, the regular voting goes and people places their ballots at their assigned tables in the assigned urns. BY the end of the day, the mailman arrives and the mail ballots are dumped in the urns together with the regular votes.

    Votes are finally counted and a new asshole is raised to power.

    The main advantage of this method is that it is very hard to incur in actual identity fraud - for somebody to use your identity to cast a mangled vote, they would have to be at the Electorate Junta and swap the envelopes or something.

    It is still not half as safe as voting in person. Not that it matters much, because per-table results are then submitted to a court house and the ballots destroyed, so if somebody at a court house wanted to falsify the result of some of the smaller tables, I am not sure there are enough protections in place for preventing that.

    Even if the elections were run cleanly, the one who wins is the one who spends more on marketing, so the point is kind of moot XD

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  • From Dr. What@21:1/126 to ACMEBBS on Monday, May 16, 2022 11:20:57
    ACMEBBS wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Compared to other places I've lived...seems like they go out of their
    way to make voting easy. The only thing I don't like is the closed primaries.

    Primaries, in general, are a problem that needs to be solved.

    If you have open primaries, it's too easy for people in the opposing party to vote for the least qualified candidate - effectively causing good candidates to be "primaried out".

    The closed primaries are more secure, but if you aren't a registered member of the party, you can't vote for any candidates.

    Here in Michigan, our problem is that the Democrats have a closed primary and the Republicans have an open one. I think you can see the problem there.

    It's no wonder that in many elections, my choice is between Tweedle-dee and Tweedle-dum.


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Dr. What on Sunday, May 15, 2022 18:42:04
    Re: Re: boring stuff...
    By: Dr. What to ACMEBBS on Mon May 16 2022 11:20 am

    ACMEBBS wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Compared to other places I've lived...seems like they go out of their way to make voting easy. The only thing I don't like is the closed primaries.

    Primaries, in general, are a problem that needs to be solved.

    If you have open primaries, it's too easy for people in the opposing party vote for the least qualified candidate - effectively causing good candidates be "primaried out".

    The closed primaries are more secure, but if you aren't a registered member the party, you can't vote for any candidates.

    Here in Michigan, our problem is that the Democrats have a closed primary an the Republicans have an open one. I think you can see the problem there.

    It's no wonder that in many elections, my choice is between Tweedle-dee and Tweedle-dum.


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    I fail to find the appeal of open primaries. Maybe it is because I consider parties to be firms that sell prolitical representation. No firm with any sanity in it would let outsider agents decide who the firm's representative is going to be for the next X years.

    When the subject comes up, people tends to counter argue that political parties are more than firms, and that they are supposed to represent people and therefore should be more democratic et al. While I appreciate the sentiment, facts point in a different direction. Higher-ups in political parties make a lot of profit in exchange for representing people, and certainly run matters in a basis of "I provide this service to my customer in exchange of this other thing".

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  • From ACMEBBS@21:4/10 to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, May 16, 2022 02:35:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to ACMEBBS <=-

    ACMEBBS wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Same thing here. The local libraries keep their outer lobbies open
    around the clock with a drop box during election time.

    I worked in local government for a stint, and the library people got
    my highest respect. I've never seen a government organization as
    focused on helping people.

    Can believe that. For those without the knowledge to know where to get the information they may need...the library people use their education/knowledge to help others with the help they may need.

    I don't mean the end result, as one could argue that there are local
    government organizations doing a lot of good for people. But, they
    often seemed like they're punching a clock and following a process.
    The library organization was focused on making tax dollars help
    people.

    Ever since Covid hit locally and closed the local library for months...haven't visited in around 2 years. Add to that...their funding has been cut which means opening only five days a week...rather than seven days a week before that time.

    My manager referred to them as "county-run homeless shelters". I
    didn't last long there.

    Can see that. On the other hand...there have been times when I didn't have internet access or didn't want to go home to get away from the garbage going
    n.

    If anyone needs a safe place...spending for libraries is well worth the cost. ... 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2.
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  • From ACMEBBS@21:4/10 to Dr. What on Monday, May 16, 2022 02:42:00
    Dr. What wrote to ACMEBBS <=-

    ACMEBBS wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Compared to other places I've lived...seems like they go out of their
    way to make voting easy. The only thing I don't like is the closed primaries.

    Primaries, in general, are a problem that needs to be solved.

    If you have open primaries, it's too easy for people in the opposing party to vote for the least qualified candidate - effectively causing
    good candidates to be "primaried out".

    The closed primaries are more secure, but if you aren't a registered member of the party, you can't vote for any candidates.

    The thing about closed primaries is that I wanted to make sure I voted against the Democratic incumbent which came this way because of redistricting.

    Here in Michigan, our problem is that the Democrats have a closed
    primary and the Republicans have an open one. I think you can see the problem there.

    It's no wonder that in many elections, my choice is between Tweedle-dee and Tweedle-dum.

    I certainly can see that. When I lived in Idaho during the 2012 election...actually registered as a Republican so my progressive vote (as much as I could actually vote that way) wouldn't disappear. You may wonder why I would do this. If you've been seeing the news lately on how stranger things have gotten in Idaho...it wouldn't have surprised me if my vote had
    isappeared.
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  • From nugax@21:1/167 to Nightfox on Monday, May 16, 2022 07:43:09
    On 12 May 22 14:02:13, Nightfox wrote:
    |03-> Re: boring stuff...
    |03-> By: The Millionaire to Spectre on Thu May 12 2022 10:03 am
    |03->
    |03-> TM> Arent Donkeys Democrats and Rhinos Republicans?
    |03->
    |03-> It may be different in different countries but in the US republicans are usually represented by elephants.
    |03->
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    Republicans are elephants....


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to ACMEBBS on Monday, May 16, 2022 06:36:00
    ACMEBBS wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Can see that. On the other hand...there have been times when I didn't
    have internet access or didn't want to go home to get away from the garbage going n.

    Libraries are a great place to get some head-down quiet workspace,
    too.



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  • From ACMEBBS@21:4/10 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, May 17, 2022 15:26:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to ACMEBBS <=-

    ACMEBBS wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Can see that. On the other hand...there have been times when I didn't
    have internet access or didn't want to go home to get away from the garbage going n.

    Libraries are a great place to get some head-down quiet workspace,
    too.

    At least they do have something you can read at the same time. ;)
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wednesday, May 18, 2022 10:12:00
    Can see that. On the other hand...there have been times when I didn't
    have internet access or didn't want to go home to get away from the garbage going n.

    Libraries are a great place to get some head-down quiet workspace,
    too.

    I like the theory, when I was having to use 3G mobile data, I would trundle over to the library and download stuff, or play the odd game of Tanki. But it was severely tied down... The only outgoing traffice they allow is
    http/https, so no logging into a MUD.. no using a BBS... or anything else... kind of limited it's value to me.

    Spec


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to nugax on Tuesday, May 17, 2022 12:55:51
    Re: RE: boring stuff...
    By: nugax to Nightfox on Mon May 16 2022 07:43 am

    It may be different in different countries but in the US republicans
    are usually represented by elephants. |03->

    Republicans are elephants....

    Yep, that's what I said...

    Nightfox
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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, May 22, 2022 22:28:55
    The library organization was focused on making tax dollars help
    people.

    My manager referred to them as "county-run homeless shelters". I
    didn't last long there.

    That was _kind of_ one of the things I liked, with working in libraries. No, being a day shelter wasn't always the most pleasant thing, as an employee,
    but _everyone_ is welcome, so long as they behave themselves.

    You don't have to have money, or even any particular interest, to be welcome
    at a library.

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