• Echomail Area Review

    From Avon@21:1/101 to All on Sunday, May 15, 2022 16:21:45
    Hi there

    It's been nearly a year since we added a bunch of new echomail areas to fsxNet and I figure it's a good time to review which are worth retaining and which should be removed.

    Volume of traffic indicating interest in the subject etc. I think is a good indication but perhaps should not the only consideration.

    I'd love to hear your thoughts on what echomail areas should stay/go/be added etc.

    The most recent batch added were back on 25 May 2021

    [snip]

    FSX_GAMING Games/Gaming Chat
    FSX_SPACE Space/Astronomy Chat
    FSX_SPORTS Sports Chat
    FSX_RETRO Retro Computing/Tech Chat
    FSX_TRANSPORT Transportation Chat (All Modes)
    FSX_VIDEO Movies/TV/Streaming Chat
    FSX_MUSIC Music Chat (Artists,Songs Etc)
    FSX_DIY D.I.Y Chat, Tips + Tricks
    FSX_FOOD Food + Cooking Chat
    FSX_GARDENING Gardening Chat
    FSX_ARTS Arts + Artistic Chat

    [snip]

    some seem to have done fairly well while others not so much....and of course we have the rest of the echos too... I'll post the master list below

    [snip]

    FSX_TST fsxNet Test Arena
    FSX_GEN General Chat + More..
    FSX_MYS Mystic BBS Support/Dev
    FSX_MAG Talisman BBS Support/Dev
    FSX_BBS BBS Support/Dev
    FSX_ENG ENiGMA 1/2 BBS Support/Dev
    FSX_HAM Amateur Radio
    FSX_CRY Cryptographics
    FSX_NET fsxNet Network Ops/Planning
    FSX_ESP Espanol General Chat
    FSX_ADS BBS and NETwork Ads
    FSX_STA Echomail + Network Stats
    FSX_FIL File Announcements
    FSX_BOT Automated roBOT Posts
    FSX_DAT InterBBS Data
    FSX_GAMING Games/Gaming Chat
    FSX_SPACE Space/Astronomy Chat
    FSX_SPORTS Sports Chat
    FSX_RETRO Retro Computing/Tech Chat
    FSX_TRANSPORT Transportation Chat (All Modes)
    FSX_VIDEO Movies/TV/Streaming Chat
    FSX_MUSIC Music Chat (Artists,Songs Etc)
    FSX_DIY D.I.Y Chat, Tips + Tricks
    FSX_FOOD Food + Cooking Chat
    FSX_GARDENING Gardening Chat
    FSX_ARTS Arts + Artistic Chat

    [snip]

    If you have any feedback on this subject please head over to FSX_NET and share your thoughts there. I will crosspost this message into FSX_NET to get the thread started.

    Many thanks.

    Best, Paul

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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to Avon on Sunday, May 15, 2022 08:05:33
    On 15 May 2022, Avon said the following...

    It's been nearly a year since we added a bunch of new echomail areas to fsxNet and I figure it's a good time to review which are worth retaining and which should be removed.

    Welp, disregard my last message. I had no idea these echos were added. As of recent, I've only seen a handful of posts from FSX_GAMING in my BAD area as I'm not linked to that echo, but that means I'm not linked to any of these new ones, apparantly. I had no idea since I haven't seen a post in any of them all year. If enough messages of interest come through in bad/unlinked area, I think about adding them. I'm linked to the original 5 you started with. Shows how much I've been paying attention. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to Avon on Monday, May 16, 2022 15:35:09
    fsxNet and I figure it's a good time to review which are worth retaining and which should be removed.

    I don't have any comment for or against any bases, but I have a question regarding how you would go about delisting one or more bases should you wish to. Is it as easy as deleting the message area from the hub(s) or do you need to do something magical to stop people who may be subscribed from posting to them and recreating them?

    This is something I have completely overlooked since starting my own network, and I have just pondered the question, unable to come up with an answer myself while reading your message.

    Thanks in advance.

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  • From Mike Dippel@21:4/176 to Meatlotion on Monday, May 16, 2022 12:48:28
    On 5/16/2022 3:34 PM, Meatlotion wrote to Avon:

    fsxNet and I figure it's a good time to review which are worth retaining
    and which should be removed.

    I don't have any comment for or against any bases, but I have a question regarding how you would go about delisting one or more bases should you wish to. Is it as easy as deleting the message area from the hub(s) or do you need
    to do something magical to stop people who may be subscribed from posting to them and recreating them?

    This is something I have completely overlooked since starting my own network,
    and I have just pondered the question, unable to come up with an answer myself
    while reading your message.

    Thanks in advance.

    You should be able to do an AREAFIX to unlink any conference area with a minus sign in
    front of the conference name.

    Mike Dippel

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to MeaTLoTioN on Tuesday, May 17, 2022 02:32:00
    This is something I have completely overlooked since starting my own network, and I have just pondered the question, unable to come up with an answer myself while reading your message.

    One guesses that removal at the hub level will be sufficient, but I'm
    thinking of the good ol' days when everything was fully manual. If odd
    systems continue to post in those areas they'll just end up in the "bad"
    board.

    Spec


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  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to Mike Dippel on Monday, May 16, 2022 23:05:29
    You should be able to do an AREAFIX to unlink any conference area with a minus sign in
    front of the conference name.

    Thanks Mike, but I was meaning from a network hub point of view, I run an echomail network and I was wondering how you would remove an echomail base completely from a network so that no systems could accidentally recreate the base =)

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    |07── |08[|10ark|08] |1510:104/2 |07─┘

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  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to Spectre on Monday, May 16, 2022 23:06:40
    One guesses that removal at the hub level will be sufficient, but I'm thinking of the good ol' days when everything was fully manual. If odd systems continue to post in those areas they'll just end up in the "bad" board.

    Ah yes, that's a good point.

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    |07── |08[|10eml|08] |15ml@erb.pw |07── |08[|10web|08] |15www.erb.pw |07───┐ |07── |08[|09fsx|08] |1521:1/158 |07── |08[|11tqw|08] |151337:1/101 |07┬──┘ |07── |08[|12rtn|08] |1580:774/81 |07─┬ |08[|14fdn|08] |152:250/5 |07───┘
    |07── |08[|10ark|08] |1510:104/2 |07─┘

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  • From StormTrooper@21:2/108 to MeaTLoTioN on Monday, May 16, 2022 23:32:34
    Thanks Mike, but I was meaning from a network hub point of view, I run an echomail network and I was wondering how you would remove an echomail
    base completely from a network so that no systems could accidentally recreate the base =)

    It occurs to me, that if instead of relying on the BAD board, and instead
    kept the area without exporting it you could keep an eye on just what systems are posting to it with a minimum of hassle. You can then have a word with those people and see if its worth changing your mind or persist with the removal

    ST

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  • From deon@21:2/116 to MeaTLoTioN on Tuesday, May 17, 2022 11:40:28
    Re: Re: Echomail Area Review
    By: MeaTLoTioN to Avon on Mon May 16 2022 03:35 pm

    I don't have any comment for or against any bases, but I have a question regarding how you would go about delisting one or more bases
    who may be subscribed from posting to them and recreating them?

    This is something I have completely overlooked since starting my own network, and I have just pondered the question, unable to come up
    with an answer myself while reading your message.

    So it will depend on your mailers software.

    If at the hub, I remove an area, and you attempt to post a message to it, it'll be posted to the bad area and not sent through the network. (You wont know that your messages are going in a black hole - something I'll think about for clrghouz).

    At the same token, you wont receive any more messages (from the hub) for that area - so if you did delete it from your BBS, it wouldnt be auto created by a hub.

    Now, if you have links to peers, then a peer may send you a message directly and result in it being auto created (if your BBS has an autocreate feature, and it's on for that link).



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  • From deon@21:2/116 to Spectre on Tuesday, May 17, 2022 11:41:17
    Re: Re: Echomail Area Review
    By: Spectre to MeaTLoTioN on Tue May 17 2022 02:32 am

    One guesses that removal at the hub level will be sufficient, but I'm thinking of the good ol' days when everything was fully manual. If odd systems continue to post in those areas they'll just end up in the "bad" board.

    What he said...


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  • From MeaTLoTioN@21:1/158 to StormTrooper on Tuesday, May 17, 2022 06:54:58
    It occurs to me, that if instead of relying on the BAD board, and instead kept the area without exporting it you could keep an eye on just what systems are posting to it with a minimum of hassle. You can then have a word with those people and see if its worth changing your mind or
    persist with the removal

    Also a valid point and decent idea. Thanks for this suggestion too =)

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    |07── |08[|10eml|08] |15ml@erb.pw |07── |08[|10web|08] |15www.erb.pw |07───┐ |07── |08[|09fsx|08] |1521:1/158 |07── |08[|11tqw|08] |151337:1/101 |07┬──┘ |07── |08[|12rtn|08] |1580:774/81 |07─┬ |08[|14fdn|08] |152:250/5 |07───┘
    |07── |08[|10ark|08] |1510:104/2 |07─┘

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to MeaTLoTioN on Tuesday, May 17, 2022 06:54:00
    MeaTLoTioN wrote to Mike Dippel <=-

    Thanks Mike, but I was meaning from a network hub point of view, I run
    an echomail network and I was wondering how you would remove an
    echomail base completely from a network so that no systems could accidentally recreate the base =)

    Remove the echo from your areas.bbs file, and if one of your downlinks
    doesn't get the memo to remove the link, they'll end up in your BAD
    area. Not much you can do if a downlink continues to send you packets
    for a disconnected echo except check your BAD area and email sysops.



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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Accession on Friday, May 20, 2022 16:07:26
    On 15 May 2022 at 08:05a, Accession pondered and said...

    Welp, disregard my last message. I had no idea these echos were added.
    As of recent, I've only seen a handful of posts from FSX_GAMING in my
    BAD area as I'm not linked to that echo, but that means I'm not linked
    to any of these new ones, apparantly. I had no idea since I haven't seen
    a post in any of them all year. If enough messages of interest come through in bad/unlinked area, I think about adding them. I'm linked to
    the original 5 you started with. Shows how much I've been paying attention. ;)

    That's fine, this highlights the need for me to promote more often what is currently active as an echomail post. We also have a situation where some HUBs had linked all nodes to new echos and others did not. I'd rather the former option so that even nodes on auto can discover new traffic over time.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to MeaTLoTioN on Friday, May 20, 2022 16:12:55
    On 16 May 2022 at 03:35p, MeaTLoTioN pondered and said...

    I don't have any comment for or against any bases, but I have a question regarding how you would go about delisting one or more bases should you wish to. Is it as easy as deleting the message area from the hub(s) or
    do you need to do something magical to stop people who may be subscribed from posting to them and recreating them?

    Hi there

    Yeah that's the rub, the latter part really seems to be dependent on HUb setup as to what the HUB will/won't do with traffic coming in..

    This is something I have completely overlooked since starting my own network, and I have just pondered the question, unable to come up with
    an answer myself while reading your message.

    I'm honestly not that overly confident about how best to ensure things remain removed/inactive also. I'd likely delink all nodes then remove their ability to sub the echos again

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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to Avon on Friday, May 20, 2022 12:38:49
    On 20 May 2022, Avon said the following...

    That's fine, this highlights the need for me to promote more often what
    is currently active as an echomail post. We also have a situation where some HUBs had linked all nodes to new echos and others did not. I'd
    rather the former option so that even nodes on auto can discover new traffic over time.

    Then again, some hubs may not get a chance to link all echos if they direct applicants to use areafix. I guess it depends on if the applicant uses the "auto-add new areas" feature or not also. *shrug*

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Accession on Saturday, May 21, 2022 14:08:45
    On 20 May 2022 at 12:38p, Accession pondered and said...

    Then again, some hubs may not get a chance to link all echos if they direct applicants to use areafix. I guess it depends on if the applicant uses the "auto-add new areas" feature or not also. *shrug*

    Yep.. all that and more I think... there's certainly no one size fits all and when you have HUBs running different software it can perhaps add more variations into the mix as well. We can only do our best I guess..

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