• wanting to clear some questions

    From Seth@seth@vert.synchro.net to fsxNet.FSX_GEN on Monday, August 01, 2022 14:59:21
    So I have some questions. I've been delving into coms tech. FTN, USENET,
    UUCP, and IRC.
    1. Is it possible to run FTN echomail with out needing a bbs or would
    nntp be better for this?
    2. I noticed that on the fido.othernet there was a message about being a
    node on a net and it offers feeds over ftp could someone elaborate. on
    this a little bit more. I understand it for file bases but not in terms
    of message bases.
  • From Zip@21:1/202 to Seth on Monday, August 01, 2022 22:45:13
    Hello Seth!

    On 01 Aug 2022, Seth said the following...
    1. Is it possible to run FTN echomail with out needing a bbs or would nntp be better for this?

    It is possible -- you need a mailer (e.g. binkd), a tosser (e.g. hpt), message base files (e.g. JAM) and some kind of editor (e.g. GoldEd+). You could view the BBS simply as a means of access.

    If the network actually is an FTN network, it would have FTN technologies somewhere (i.e., it would not just consist of NNTP servers). So I would like to think of NNTP as a means of access rather than actually "being" the network.

    2. I noticed that on the fido.othernet there was a message about being a node on a net and it offers feeds over ftp could someone elaborate. on this a little bit more. I understand it for file bases but not in terms of message bases.

    There are QWK networks. Just like when using QWK functions (downloading QWK "packets" and uploading REP packets with replies) from within a BBS, a QWK network uses the same packet formats but transfers the files using FTP instead of a "conventional" file transfer protocol such as Zmodem. So it's like an "automated" flow of those files between nodes of the QWK network. Or rather, between the member nodes and a central hub, acting as the "primary" node that actually "is" the core of the QWK network.

    Best regards
    Zip

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  • From Seth@seth@vert.synchro.net to Zip on Monday, August 01, 2022 17:08:17
    On 8/1/22 16:45, Zip wrote:
    Hello Seth!

    On 01 Aug 2022, Seth said the following...
    Se> 1. Is it possible to run FTN echomail with out needing a bbs or would
    Se> nntp be better for this?

    It is possible -- you need a mailer (e.g. binkd), a tosser (e.g. hpt), message base files (e.g. JAM) and some kind of editor (e.g. GoldEd+). You could view the BBS simply as a means of access.

    If the network actually is an FTN network, it would have FTN technologies somewhere (i.e., it would not just consist of NNTP servers). So I would like to think of NNTP as a means of access rather than actually "being" the network.

    Se> 2. I noticed that on the fido.othernet there was a message about being a
    Se> node on a net and it offers feeds over ftp could someone elaborate. on
    Se> this a little bit more. I understand it for file bases but not in terms
    Se> of message bases.

    There are QWK networks. Just like when using QWK functions (downloading QWK "packets" and uploading REP packets with replies) from within a BBS, a QWK network uses the same packet formats but transfers the files using FTP instead of a "conventional" file transfer protocol such as Zmodem. So it's like an "automated" flow of those files between nodes of the QWK network. Or rather, between the member nodes and a central hub, acting as the "primary" node that actually "is" the core of the QWK network.

    Best regards
    Zip

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/07/15 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Star Collision BBS, Uppsala, Sweden (21:1/202)

    Thanks will do some playing around. I want to network both my local pc
    at my house and my linode.
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Seth on Tuesday, August 02, 2022 09:55:00
    UUCP, and IRC. 1. Is it possible to run FTN echomail with out needing
    a bbs or would nntp be better for this? 2. I noticed that on the

    There is actually a webby frontend you can pop on top of JAM message bases. I forget off hand what it is now... that would mean you just need the mailer
    and tosser to handle the back end, and webby away to your hearts content.

    Spec


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  • From Seth@seth@vert.synchro.net to Spectre on Monday, August 01, 2022 20:19:43
    On 8/1/22 19:55, Spectre wrote:
    Se> UUCP, and IRC. 1. Is it possible to run FTN echomail with out needing
    Se> a bbs or would nntp be better for this? 2. I noticed that on the

    There is actually a webby frontend you can pop on top of JAM message bases. I forget off hand what it is now... that would mean you just need the mailer and tosser to handle the back end, and webby away to your hearts content.

    Spec


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
    --- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
    * Origin: There is no cloud, just someone elses computer! (21:3/101)

    What software would you need for the jam message base?
  • From Warpslide@21:3/110.1 to Spectre on Monday, August 01, 2022 21:16:38
    *** Quoting Spectre from a message to Seth ***

    There is actually a webby frontend you can pop on top of JAM message bases. I forget off hand what it is now... that would mean you just
    need the mailer and tosser to handle the back end, and webby away to
    your hearts content.

    That could be webJAM you're talking about:

    https://www.kuehlbox.wtf/webjam


    It's not ready for primetime, but does/did look promising though the git repository hasn't seen any action for 3 or 4 years.


    Jay

    ... Experience is what you get when you don't get what you wanted

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Seth on Wednesday, August 03, 2022 00:42:00
    What software would you need for the jam message base?

    Whatever suits your fancy... linux/dos..Husky/FastEcho, not sure about windoze... Husky does everything? FastEcho is just a mail processor so you'll still need something like Binkd or FrontDoor to collect the packets.

    Spec


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    * Origin: There is no cloud, just someone elses computer! (21:3/101)
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Warpslide on Wednesday, August 03, 2022 00:44:00
    That could be webJAM you're talking about:

    Sounds right... I had the frontend installed, but wasn't pushing any jam
    bases at the time... also looked at something that did nntp too briefly.

    Spec


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Seth on Tuesday, August 02, 2022 08:11:00
    Seth wrote to fsxNet.FSX_GEN <=-

    1. Is it possible to run FTN echomail with out needing a bbs or would
    nntp be better for this?

    You need, at the bare minimum, a mailer to connect to an uplink, a way to
    send and receive message packets, and a means to read messages.

    There are all-in-one packages like WinPoint that do it all from one program.

    2. I noticed that on the fido.othernet there was a message about being
    a node on a net and it offers feeds over ftp could someone elaborate.
    on this a little bit more. I understand it for file bases but not in
    terms of message bases.

    I used FTP way back when; message packets are just files, and there are many ways to transfer them. Some use a mailer, some use FTP, and email works,
    too.


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  • From Seth@seth@vert.synchro.net to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, August 02, 2022 13:35:55
    On 8/2/22 11:11, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:
    Seth wrote to fsxNet.FSX_GEN <=-

    Se> 1. Is it possible to run FTN echomail with out needing a bbs or would
    Se> nntp be better for this?

    You need, at the bare minimum, a mailer to connect to an uplink, a way to send and receive message packets, and a means to read messages.

    There are all-in-one packages like WinPoint that do it all from one program.

    Se> 2. I noticed that on the fido.othernet there was a message about being
    Se> a node on a net and it offers feeds over ftp could someone elaborate.
    Se> on this a little bit more. I understand it for file bases but not in
    Se> terms of message bases.

    I used FTP way back when; message packets are just files, and there are many ways to transfer them. Some use a mailer, some use FTP, and email works,
    too.


    ... Do you understand who you need to become?
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    * Origin: realitycheckBBS.org -- information is power. (21:4/122)
    I forgot to say I'm on arch linux not debian or ubuntu. my linode is
    also running arch.