• sending to a fido address in thunderbird

    From Seth@seth@vert.synchro.net to fsxNet.FSX_GEN on Sunday, August 07, 2022 21:56:48
    How would I send to a fidonet address from nntp access in thunderbird?
    Would I have to use the BBS smtp settings?
  • From Oli@21:3/102 to Seth on Monday, August 08, 2022 08:06:25
    Seth wrote (2022-08-07):

    How would I send to a fidonet address from nntp access in thunderbird? Would I have to use the BBS smtp settings?

    Not sure what you are exactly trying to achieve. NNTP and SMTP are two different protocols. First is for newsgroups, second for email. Do you want to send a message to the fidonet echomail area or do you want to send a netmail? Which BBS smtp setting are you talking about?



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  • From Seth@seth@vert.synchro.net to Oli on Monday, August 08, 2022 10:22:13
    On 8/8/22 03:06, Oli wrote:
    Seth wrote (2022-08-07):

    S> How would I send to a fidonet address from nntp access in thunderbird?
    S> Would I have to use the BBS smtp settings?

    Not sure what you are exactly trying to achieve. NNTP and SMTP are two different protocols. First is for newsgroups, second for email. Do you want to send a message to the fidonet echomail area or do you want to send a netmail? Which BBS smtp setting are you talking about?



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    Would like to send a netmail reply to a user. What I mean smtp is the vert.synchro.net smtp server if they have one.
  • From faeempress@21:2/125 to Seth on Monday, August 08, 2022 07:29:42
    How would I send to a fidonet address from nntp access in thunderbird? Would I have to use the BBS smtp settings?
    I believe the BBS smtp is only for local "email", not for echomail or
    netmail. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Also, you wouldn't use nntp for
    that.



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  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to Seth on Monday, August 08, 2022 10:36:24
    Hello Seth,

    Would like to send a netmail reply to a user.

    If I remember correctly you can send a netmail reply to a message in an echo by pressing "m" when reading an echomail message.

    What I mean smtp is the vert.synchro.net smtp server if they have one.

    I'm sure there is one but it is not used to send echomail or netmail. It is used to send/receive internet email.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Seth on Tuesday, August 09, 2022 08:41:00
    (21:3/102) Would like to send a netmail reply to a user. What I mean
    smtp is the vert.synchro.net smtp server if they have one.

    There used to be a fido-email gateway, no idea where or exactly how it
    worked, but you used the email address as part of the address. I don't think anyone is going to have SMTP as part of their bbs setup specifically.

    Spec


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Spectre on Monday, August 08, 2022 21:45:00
    Spectre wrote to Seth <=-

    (21:3/102) Would like to send a netmail reply to a user. What I mean
    smtp is the vert.synchro.net smtp server if they have one.

    There used to be a fido-email gateway, no idea where or exactly
    how it worked, but you used the email address as part of the
    address. I don't think anyone is going to have SMTP as part of
    their bbs setup specifically.

    Ummm, it's a standard/builtin feature with Synchronet BBS.



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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Gamgee on Tuesday, August 09, 2022 19:59:00
    Ummm, it's a standard/builtin feature with Synchronet BBS.

    Don't know much about Synchromess... other than its installer religiously destroys my systems.. :( I'll stand corrected.

    Spec


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Tuesday, August 09, 2022 20:24:00
    On 08-09-22 08:41, Spectre wrote to Seth <=-

    (21:3/102) Would like to send a netmail reply to a user. What I mean
    smtp is the vert.synchro.net smtp server if they have one.

    There used to be a fido-email gateway, no idea where or exactly how it worked, but you used the email address as part of the address. I don't think anyone is going to have SMTP as part of their bbs setup specifically.

    Those of us running Synchronet have SMTP on our systems. You can email me at vk3jed@freeway.apana.org.au, and I can send an email from my BBS interface that will come from that address. I also turned on netmail to email forwarding, in case someone sends me a netmail when I'm away from the BBS.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Gamgee on Tuesday, August 09, 2022 20:25:00
    On 08-08-22 21:45, Gamgee wrote to Spectre <=-


    Ummm, it's a standard/builtin feature with Synchronet BBS.

    Haha yep, I just mentioned that. :D


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Spectre on Tuesday, August 09, 2022 07:10:00
    Spectre wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Ummm, it's a standard/builtin feature with Synchronet BBS.

    Don't know much about Synchromess... other than its installer
    religiously destroys my systems.. :( I'll stand corrected.

    Well, no need to be insulting about it. It's arguably the most used BBS package in use today.

    Have you ever brought up this installer problem for discussion? Haven't
    ever heard anybody else say they've seen that happen. Ever. <SHRUG>


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Spectre on Tuesday, August 09, 2022 09:41:58
    Re: Re: sending to a fido address in thunderbird
    By: Spectre to Gamgee on Tue Aug 09 2022 07:59 pm

    Don't know much about Synchromess... other than its installer religiously destroys my systems.. :( I'll stand corrected.

    Technically I don't think you really need to run Synchronet's installer. When I was running my (Synchronet) BBS on Windows, sometime's I'd install a newer version of Windows and just copy my existing Synchronet installation over to it, like restoring it from backup. All you really need is to set a couple of environment variables for Synchronet to run.
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Gamgee on Wednesday, August 10, 2022 08:35:00
    Well, no need to be insulting about it. It's arguably the most used BBS package in use today.

    Have you ever brought up this installer problem for discussion? Haven't ever heard anybody else say they've seen that happen. Ever. <SHRUG>

    As you say, SHRUG.. I did mention it in passing some time back... got the you must be doing something wrong... but over clean install or existing server it ate the thing alive... at this point it doesn't really matter I'm not trying again. :) Since then SynchroMess has been my name for it...

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Nightfox on Wednesday, August 10, 2022 08:40:00
    Technically I don't think you really need to run Synchronet's installer.

    I couldn't tell you what version it was, but I'm reasonably sure there was
    only an installer, no tar ball, least that I could find anyhoo.

    Spec


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nightfox on Wednesday, August 10, 2022 20:13:00
    On 08-09-22 09:41, Nightfox wrote to Spectre <=-

    Technically I don't think you really need to run Synchronet's
    installer. When I was running my (Synchronet) BBS on Windows,
    sometime's I'd install a newer version of Windows and just copy my existing Synchronet installation over to it, like restoring it from backup. All you really need is to set a couple of environment
    variables for Synchronet to run.

    On Linux, the "installer" is simply the process of building from source. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Wednesday, August 10, 2022 20:13:00
    On 08-10-22 08:35, Spectre wrote to Gamgee <=-

    As you say, SHRUG.. I did mention it in passing some time back... got
    the you must be doing something wrong... but over clean install or existing server it ate the thing alive... at this point it doesn't
    really matter I'm not trying again. :) Since then SynchroMess has been
    my name for it...

    I remember you having trouble, but it was/is baffling as to why.


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Spectre on Wednesday, August 10, 2022 09:06:24
    Re: Re: sending to a fido address in thunderbird
    By: Spectre to Nightfox on Wed Aug 10 2022 08:40 am

    Technically I don't think you really need to run Synchronet's
    installer.

    I couldn't tell you what version it was, but I'm reasonably sure there was only an installer, no tar ball, least that I could find anyhoo.

    For Windows, there's a daily build that gets made available for download every day. There are actually 2 files:
    sbbs_run.zip: Includes all the "runtime" files (configuration files, JS files, etc.):
    https://bit.ly/3payFNG
    Full link: http://vert.synchro.net/api/files.ssjs?call=download-file&dir=sbbs&file=sbbs_ru n.zip

    sbbs_dev.zip: The prebuilt Windows binaries:
    https://bit.ly/3SILUmn
    Full link: http://vert.synchro.net/api/files.ssjs?call=download-file&dir=sbbs&file=sbbs_de v.zip

    If you first download sbbs_run.zip and extract it into a directory, then download sbbs_dev.zip and extract that into sbbs\exec, I think you should have a working Synchronet installation that you can then configure and customize. You'd just need to set the SBBSEXEC environment variable to your sbbs\exec directory and the SBBSCTRL variable to your sbbs\ctrl directory.
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Spectre on Wednesday, August 10, 2022 09:17:12
    Re: Re: sending to a fido address in thunderbird
    By: Spectre to Gamgee on Wed Aug 10 2022 08:35 am

    Have you ever brought up this installer problem for discussion?
    Haven't ever heard anybody else say they've seen that happen. Ever.
    <SHRUG>

    As you say, SHRUG.. I did mention it in passing some time back... got the you must be doing something wrong... but over clean install or existing server it ate the thing alive... at this point it doesn't really matter I'm not trying again. :) Since then SynchroMess has been my name for it...

    I may have missed that discussion.. I've never had a problem with it though - although the only time I've ever really run the installer was in 2007 when I first installed my Synchronet BBS (and didn't have a problem with it). I had run it again around 2015 maybe, when testing a new version (didn't see a problem then either).

    How exactly does its installer destroy your system?

    I've actually been fairly happy with Synchronet over the years.
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Thursday, August 11, 2022 09:18:00
    I remember you having trouble, but it was/is baffling as to why.

    No idea, but it was reliably changing directory permissions all over the
    place. Rendered the system unusable until clean boot and repair...

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Nightfox on Thursday, August 11, 2022 09:20:00
    For Windows, there's a daily build that gets made available for download every day. There are actually 2 files: sbbs_run.zip: Includes

    I'm not using Windoze for anything other than a user interface, all the heavy lifting is done on a couple of linux boxes...

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Nightfox on Thursday, August 11, 2022 09:23:00
    How exactly does its installer destroy your system?

    Changing file and directory permissions... leaves the system in a state it can't function without hefty repair work.

    Spec


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Spectre on Wednesday, August 10, 2022 21:39:00
    Spectre wrote to Nightfox <=-

    For Windows, there's a daily build that gets made available for download every day. There are actually 2 files: sbbs_run.zip: Includes

    I'm not using Windoze for anything other than a user interface,
    all the heavy lifting is done on a couple of linux boxes...

    This makes this whole story even more confusing, as the only "installer"
    there is for Synchronet is for Windows. So if you're claiming SBBS
    trashed your computer while running the installer, you were on Windows.

    Can you clarify? Nobody else has EVER seen this behavior, that I've
    ever heard of. In linux you compile everything with a simple 'make'
    command, and the *ONLY* directory used/affected is "/sbbs".


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Gamgee on Thursday, August 11, 2022 16:46:00
    Can you clarify? Nobody else has EVER seen this behavior, that I've
    ever heard of. In linux you compile everything with a simple 'make' command, and the *ONLY* directory used/affected is "/sbbs".

    Can't clarify much, only that the make completed and the install portion whatever it was doing destroyed the file system. Shrug, multiple times... At this point its moot anyways, I'm not going near it again, the risk is too
    high.

    Spec


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Thursday, August 11, 2022 20:03:00
    On 08-11-22 09:18, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I remember you having trouble, but it was/is baffling as to why.

    No idea, but it was reliably changing directory permissions all over
    the place. Rendered the system unusable until clean boot and repair...

    Very strange.


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Spectre on Thursday, August 11, 2022 08:36:00
    Spectre wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Can you clarify? Nobody else has EVER seen this behavior, that I've
    ever heard of. In linux you compile everything with a simple 'make' command, and the *ONLY* directory used/affected is "/sbbs".

    Can't clarify much, only that the make completed and the install
    portion whatever it was doing destroyed the file system. Shrug,
    multiple times... At this point its moot anyways, I'm not going
    near it again, the risk is too high.

    Again, this doesn't make any sense at all. There is no "install
    portion". Things get compiled under the /sbbs directory, and *NOTHING*
    else in the file system is touched. No idea what you could have done to "destroy" anything. Maybe you were running it as 'root', but even that wouldn't have affected anything outside of /sbbs. Sorry, but your story doesn't hold water.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Spectre on Tuesday, August 09, 2022 12:13:00
    Spectre wrote to Seth <=-

    There used to be a fido-email gateway, no idea where or exactly how it worked, but you used the email address as part of the address. I don't think anyone is going to have SMTP as part of their bbs setup specifically.

    Synchronet can be configured to create SMTP email addresses for users. Any
    of my users have a @realitycheckbbs.org email address, and you're asked if
    you want local mail forwarded to an external email address.

    You can also use NNTP or IMAP to read echomail, but IMAP is a little rough around the edges, from what I understand, and subscribing to echomail areas
    as IMAP folders makes the BBS grind.

    I don't think anyone would offer an SMTP server for users to access,
    however. Was that your question?


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Nightfox on Thursday, August 11, 2022 08:01:00
    Nightfox wrote to Spectre <=-

    installer. When I was running my (Synchronet) BBS on Windows,
    sometime's I'd install a newer version of Windows and just copy my existing Synchronet installation over to it, like restoring it from backup. All you really need is to set a couple of environment
    variables for Synchronet to run.

    My c:\sbbs folder dates back to 2005.




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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Gamgee on Thursday, August 11, 2022 09:09:20
    Re: Re: sending to a fido address in thunderbird
    By: Gamgee to Spectre on Thu Aug 11 2022 08:36 am

    Can't clarify much, only that the make completed and the install
    portion whatever it was doing destroyed the file system. Shrug,
    multiple times... At this point its moot anyways, I'm not going
    near it again, the risk is too high.

    Again, this doesn't make any sense at all. There is no "install
    portion". Things get compiled under the /sbbs directory, and *NOTHING* else in the file system is touched. No idea what you could have done to "destroy" anything. Maybe you were running it as 'root', but even that wouldn't have affected anything outside of /sbbs. Sorry, but your story doesn't hold water.

    I thought he said he was running it in Windows? The Windows version of Synchronet has an installer and comes with pre-compiled binaries (so you wouldn't have to compile anything), and there is no "root" user in Windows.
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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Thursday, August 11, 2022 11:34:00
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Can't clarify much, only that the make completed and the install
    portion whatever it was doing destroyed the file system. Shrug,
    multiple times... At this point its moot anyways, I'm not going
    near it again, the risk is too high.

    Again, this doesn't make any sense at all. There is no "install
    portion". Things get compiled under the /sbbs directory, and *NOTHING* else in the file system is touched. No idea what you could have done to "destroy" anything. Maybe you were running it as 'root', but even that wouldn't have affected anything outside of /sbbs. Sorry, but your story doesn't hold water.

    I thought he said he was running it in Windows? The Windows
    version of Synchronet has an installer and comes with
    pre-compiled binaries (so you wouldn't have to compile anything),
    and there is no "root" user in Windows.

    Well, I'm very confused by his whole story, but right there above he
    said "the make completed". That implies a Linux build, not a Windows installer wizard. He has actually never stated whether this was on
    Windows or Linux, which makes the whole thing rather suspect in my
    opinion. He may just be a SBBS-hater telling tall tales...


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Gamgee on Thursday, August 11, 2022 10:14:13
    Re: Re: sending to a fido address in thunderbird
    By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Thu Aug 11 2022 11:34 am

    Well, I'm very confused by his whole story, but right there above he
    said "the make completed". That implies a Linux build, not a Windows installer wizard. He has actually never stated whether this was on Windows or Linux, which makes the whole thing rather suspect in my opinion. He may just be a SBBS-hater telling tall tales...

    Yeah, it's confusing. He had mentioned using the installer, which made me think he was trying the Windows version. But I did get confused when he said it messed with his folder permissions.. Windows does have file/folder permissions, but they're not the same as in *nix operating systems (in Windows, I think the permissions would only apply to sharing the folder - though even locally, I think you can also prevent certain user accounts from accessing a folder).
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  • From Roon@21:4/148 to Oli on Thursday, August 11, 2022 21:18:44
    Hello Oli,

    i know this is not the real answer, but you can send _plain text_ email to a fido address like this (this is addressed to me @ 2:371/52):

    roon@f52.n371.z2.fidonet.fi

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Thursday, August 11, 2022 15:19:00
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Well, I'm very confused by his whole story, but right there above he
    said "the make completed". That implies a Linux build, not a Windows installer wizard. He has actually never stated whether this was on
    Windows or Linux, which makes the whole thing rather suspect in my opinion. He may just be a SBBS-hater telling tall tales...

    Yeah, it's confusing. He had mentioned using the installer,
    which made me think he was trying the Windows version. But I did
    get confused when he said it messed with his folder permissions..
    Windows does have file/folder permissions, but they're not the
    same as in *nix operating systems (in Windows, I think the
    permissions would only apply to sharing the folder - though even
    locally, I think you can also prevent certain user accounts from
    accessing a folder).

    Agreed. In either case (Linux or Windows), installing SBBS does
    *NOTHING* to *ANY* directory permissions. Nothing.



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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Gamgee on Friday, August 12, 2022 06:42:00
    wouldn't have affected anything outside of /sbbs. Sorry, but your story doesn't hold water.

    Your lack of belief, unfortunately doesn't make it less true... and here is where we kick this one to the kerb, I'm convinced its complete
    schnitzengruben and you clearly seem to like it...

    Spec


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Spectre on Thursday, August 11, 2022 18:37:00
    Spectre wrote to Gamgee <=-

    wouldn't have affected anything outside of /sbbs. Sorry, but your story doesn't hold water.

    Your lack of belief, unfortunately doesn't make it less true...
    and here is where we kick this one to the kerb, I'm convinced its
    complete schnitzengruben and you clearly seem to like it...

    Right. Understood. When the questions get too hard.... yeah.



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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Gamgee on Friday, August 12, 2022 11:11:00
    Right. Understood. When the questions get too hard.... yeah.

    When the questions get to hard, or reptitive and pointless? The bottom line is, I'm not interested in a solution, it had its moment to shine and
    knackered the system. Not going to revisit it.

    Spec


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nightfox on Friday, August 12, 2022 20:27:00
    On 08-11-22 10:14, Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Yeah, it's confusing. He had mentioned using the installer, which made
    me think he was trying the Windows version. But I did get confused
    when he said it messed with his folder permissions.. Windows does have file/folder permissions, but they're not the same as in *nix operating systems (in Windows, I think the permissions would only apply to
    sharing the folder - though even locally, I think you can also prevent certain user accounts from accessing a folder).

    Windows (on NTFS) does have local folder permissions based on ACLs - who has what access to what, which can be specified on a per user or per group basis. These permissions work very differently to *NIX permissions, and it is possible to deny the Administrator user access (theough they are able to take ownership of the whole tree).

    Local users need to have appropriate permissions to read or write files. Remote (network) users need to have both local file permission AND network share permissions to access files on the system sharing them.


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Spectre on Friday, August 12, 2022 10:25:00
    Spectre wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Right. Understood. When the questions get too hard.... yeah.

    When the questions get to hard, or reptitive and pointless?

    They are repetitive because they aren't getting answered.

    bottom line is, I'm not interested in a solution, it had its
    moment to shine and knackered the system. Not going to revisit
    it.

    That's all fine, nobody's asking you to revisit it. Just trying to find
    out what happened, because nobody else has ever seen or heard of that. Literally you're the only person who's had that happen, and it sounds
    pretty strange. Strange enough that it's hard to believe, to be honest.

    So, whatever.



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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Gamgee on Saturday, August 13, 2022 08:10:00
    They are repetitive because they aren't getting answered.

    That's because there are no answers... it's an I have no idea what it did or why. It's also far enough back now I couldn't even tell you what the make script was doing, it appeared to make, start to copy or link stuff and then kablooie.

    Literally you're the only person who's had that happen, and it sounds pretty strange. Strange enough that it's hard to believe, to be honest.

    Shrug... I've got no reason to just make it up..

    So, whatever.

    Indeed.


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  • From Digital Man to Spectre on Saturday, October 22, 2022 19:17:22
    Re: Re: sending to a fido address in thunderbird
    By: Spectre to Gamgee on Wed Aug 10 2022 08:35 am

    Well, no need to be insulting about it. It's arguably the most used BBS package in use today.

    Have you ever brought up this installer problem for discussion?
    Haven't ever heard anybody else say they've seen that happen. Ever. <SHRUG>

    As you say, SHRUG.. I did mention it in passing some time back... got the you must be doing something wrong...

    Did you mention it (in passing or otherwise) in any Synchronet support forum? It certainly doesn't sound familiar to me.

    but over clean install or existing
    server it ate the thing alive... at this point it doesn't really matter I'm not trying again. :) Since then SynchroMess has been my name for it...

    That's mature and helpful of you.
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Digital Man on Monday, October 24, 2022 09:58:00
    Did you mention it (in passing or otherwise) in any Synchronet support forum? It certainly doesn't sound familiar to me.

    No, I've not been near any Synchro support forums. Just mentioned it here, after all it just went into the to hard basket, not wanting to add any other risk to my single server setup.

    Spec


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  • From Digital Man to Spectre on Sunday, October 23, 2022 19:37:08
    Re: Re: sending to a fido address in thunderbird
    By: Spectre to Digital Man on Mon Oct 24 2022 09:58 am

    Did you mention it (in passing or otherwise) in any Synchronet support forum? It certainly doesn't sound familiar to me.

    No, I've not been near any Synchro support forums. Just mentioned it here, after all it just went into the to hard basket, not wanting to add any other risk to my single server setup.

    Okay, but mentioning it here (rather than an actual Synchronet support forum) isn't likely to resolve the problem, so you weren't really serious about finding and fixing the issue in the first place. Just something to complain about.

    You are likely the only sysop still running that *other* SBBS, so more power to you: I certainly wouldn't try to talk you into switching to Synchronet. But if you ever at least wanted to try it again, there's plenty of help available if you need it: http://wiki.synchro.net/howto:support
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Digital Man on Monday, October 24, 2022 16:53:00
    Okay, but mentioning it here (rather than an actual Synchronet support forum) isn't likely to resolve the problem, so you weren't really serious about finding and fixing the issue in the first place. Just something to complain about.

    I did make the point, a fix was off the table, and if I recall right, the original was merely an observation of what I'd been poking about with and
    what the results were. No real complaint as such. I gave it a go, ran enough repair to keep the system running, gave it a second go with the same result, and thats it. I'm not interested in trying any further with my limited resources. Unfortunately one of the results was the "true believers" denied the observations and wanted to go to war over it. Not just take it as an observation and move on.

    Spec


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  • From Digital Man to Spectre on Monday, October 24, 2022 11:53:27
    Re: Re: sending to a fido address in thunderbird
    By: Spectre to Digital Man on Mon Oct 24 2022 04:53 pm

    Okay, but mentioning it here (rather than an actual Synchronet support forum) isn't likely to resolve the problem, so you weren't really serious about finding and fixing the issue in the first place. Just something to complain about.

    I did make the point, a fix was off the table, and if I recall right, the original was merely an observation of what I'd been poking about with and what the results were.

    "A fix", assuming there's an issue, is never off the table. It sounds like you were conversing with people that don't have a say in what is on or off the table, or there actually wasn't anything to be fixed in the first place. I can't tell which it is, because you've provided no details.

    No real complaint as such.

    What is "Synchromess" then?

    I gave it a go, ran
    enough repair to keep the system running, gave it a second go with the same result, and thats it. I'm not interested in trying any further with my limited resources. Unfortunately one of the results was the "true believers" denied the observations and wanted to go to war over it. Not just take it as an observation and move on.

    What was this "observation" exactly? I'll look again through the history of your posts in this echo, but so far, I haven't seen it.
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  • From Atreyu@21:1/176 to Digital Man on Monday, October 24, 2022 16:30:52
    On 24 Oct 22 11:53:27, Digital Man said the following to Spectre:

    Synchronet "Real Fact" #50:
    JAM and Squish were considered before developing Synchronet Message Base fo

    I suspect there were good reasons for SBBS to use its own, either breaking DOS barriers or because you said to hell with the convoluted mess that is both.

    Jam and Squish make you jump through more hoops than a starving dolphin at Marineland just to do one thing... write a new message.

    What a freaking mess. Oh its Jam alright. Sticks all over your project as a royal pain. What a stupid format. What clueless moron thought it was a great idea to store the kludge lines seperately. In what universe was it necessary
    to do this. For what purpose... indexing kludges? The Fidonet police?

    Squish and its stupid frames. Frames this. Frames that. Index the frames. Index the index. Don't forget the stupid squish logo/header. Index that too.

    Bah.

    Atreyu

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  • From Digital Man to Atreyu on Monday, October 24, 2022 14:40:30
    Re: Re: sending to a fido address in thunder
    By: Atreyu to Digital Man on Mon Oct 24 2022 04:30 pm

    On 24 Oct 22 11:53:27, Digital Man said the following to Spectre:

    Synchronet "Real Fact" #50:
    JAM and Squish were considered before developing Synchronet Message Base fo

    I suspect there were good reasons for SBBS to use its own, either breaking DOS barriers or because you said to hell with the convoluted mess that is both.

    I actually thought the JAM format had some good ideas, and I borrowed those, when I created SMB. But I also saw some pretty critical mistakes in the JAM format, in my opinion, so I did my own thing, but documented and released a public C library and SDK for it.

    Jam and Squish make you jump through more hoops than a starving dolphin at Marineland just to do one thing... write a new message.

    I'm afraid SMB was no better in this regard, especially in the '90s. The SMBLIB/API has improved (become easier to do the "one thing") considerably in the 2000's however.

    What a freaking mess. Oh its Jam alright. Sticks all over your project as a royal pain. What a stupid format. What clueless moron thought it was a great idea to store the kludge lines seperately. In what universe was it necessary to do this. For what purpose... indexing kludges? The Fidonet police?

    SMB stores header fields (including FTN kludge lines, PATHs, SEEN-BYs) separate from the message text too. This enables all kinds of performance and extensibility that would be impossible or very difficult to achieve otherwise.

    Squish and its stupid frames. Frames this. Frames that. Index the frames. Index the index. Don't forget the stupid squish logo/header. Index that too.

    Bah.

    :-)

    I don't remeber the details of the Squish format much, but I don't remember seeing any good ideas worth borrowing for the SMB format either.
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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Digital Man on Monday, October 24, 2022 20:06:00
    Digital Man wrote to Spectre <=-

    I gave it a go, ran
    enough repair to keep the system running, gave it a second go with the same result, and thats it. I'm not interested in trying any further with my limited resources. Unfortunately one of the results was the "true believers" denied the observations and wanted to go to war over it. Not just take it as an observation and move on.

    What was this "observation" exactly? I'll look again through the
    history of your posts in this echo, but so far, I haven't seen
    it.

    I may be able to answer this, as it was me who was questioning him
    previously on what happened, at least until he got all butt-hurt and
    didn't want to talk about it any more.

    Going from memory, but I think he "observed" that the SBBS installer
    (which of course there isn't even one of in Linux), completely trashed
    (as in deleted entire directories) his hard disk. Twice, on two
    attempts. I told him I didn't think that was possible, and that I've
    never heard of that ever happening to anyone else, ever. That's about
    as far as it got.

    Hopefully he'll expand/clarify on all that.



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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Digital Man on Tuesday, October 25, 2022 15:01:00
    What is "Synchromess" then?

    The result.

    What was this "observation" exactly? I'll look again through the history

    It's so far back now, I don't even recall.. but the upshot is, somewhere between it trying to compile and copy stuff to whatever the destination was,
    I ended up with a lot of screwed permissions across the system.


    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Gamgee on Tuesday, October 25, 2022 15:13:00
    I may be able to answer this, as it was me who was questioning him previously on what happened, at least until he got all butt-hurt and didn't want to talk about it any more.

    There's no point trying to discuss anything with you, as you're butt hurt
    about any discussion you enter into, and something thats never going to see a resolution. So as before... here endeth the penetration.

    Spec


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  • From Atreyu@21:1/176 to Digital Man on Tuesday, October 25, 2022 10:41:19
    On 24 Oct 22 14:40:30, Digital Man said the following to Atreyu:

    SMB stores header fields (including FTN kludge lines, PATHs, SEEN-BYs) separate from the message text too. This enables all kinds of performance a extensibility that would be impossible or very difficult to achieve otherwi

    The biggest problem I've always had with this is that its too techie... it is incredibly convoluted.

    In all this time I was never convinced on the performance or extensibility... maybe if things really took off with adding multimedia/encoded/attachments or whatever but it just never happened.

    Maybe I'm just alone in thinking that it should be stupid-simple to write a message to disk in one's program without having several different indexes or headers or frames or having to use someone else's API.

    In *.MSG you fill out one header and dump your body, you're done... bad example but you get the message.

    Atreyu

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  • From Digital Man to Spectre on Tuesday, October 25, 2022 11:29:20
    Re: Re: sending to a fido address in thunderbird
    By: Spectre to Digital Man on Tue Oct 25 2022 03:01 pm

    What is "Synchromess" then?

    The result.

    You should call that "Spectremess" in that case, since you made it.

    What was this "observation" exactly? I'll look again through the history

    It's so far back now, I don't even recall.. but the upshot is, somewhere between it trying to compile and copy stuff to whatever the destination was, I ended up with a lot of screwed permissions across the system.

    Wow, then you managed to do that yourself: Nothing in Synchronet changes ownership or permissions of existing directories or files.
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  • From Digital Man to Atreyu on Tuesday, October 25, 2022 11:31:01
    Re: Re: sending to a fido address in thunder
    By: Atreyu to Digital Man on Tue Oct 25 2022 10:41 am

    In *.MSG you fill out one header and dump your body, you're done... bad example but you get the message.

    Well I agree with you there: *.MSG is a bad example. :-)
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  • From Atreyu@21:1/176 to Digital Man on Tuesday, October 25, 2022 15:33:18
    On 25 Oct 22 11:31:01, Digital Man said the following to Atreyu:

    Well I agree with you there: *.MSG is a bad example. :-)

    Ahh but you "got" the message!

    In somewhat related programming musings I'm prepared to pay a handsome bounty for anyone who can successfully port the opensource Turbopower B-tree Isam library from Delphi to Freepascal in TP7 mode.

    I know your a C guy but if you know anyone interested, shoot me an email.

    Atreyu

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Digital Man on Wednesday, October 26, 2022 09:12:00
    What is "Synchromess" then?

    > The result.

    You should call that "Spectremess" in that case, since you made it.

    Chuckle, couldn't have done it without you..

    Wow, then you managed to do that yourself: Nothing in Synchronet changes ownership or permissions of existing directories or files. -- digital

    So I've heard, however it was the compile script that did it.. in the words
    of Ripley, believe it or not.

    Spec


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  • From Digital Man to Spectre on Tuesday, October 25, 2022 18:01:07
    Re: Re: sending to a fido address in thunderbird
    By: Spectre to Digital Man on Wed Oct 26 2022 09:12 am

    What is "Synchromess" then?

    > The result.

    You should call that "Spectremess" in that case, since you made it.

    Chuckle, couldn't have done it without you..

    Wow, then you managed to do that yourself: Nothing in Synchronet changes ownership or permissions of existing directories or files. -- digital

    So I've heard, however it was the compile script that did it.. in the words of Ripley, believe it or not.

    Yup, I don't believe it.
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Digital Man on Wednesday, October 26, 2022 15:07:00
    Yup, I don't believe it. -- digital man (rob)

    Shrug, you don't have to...


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Spectre on Wednesday, October 26, 2022 07:52:00
    Spectre wrote to Digital Man <=-

    What is "Synchromess" then?

    The result.

    You should call that "Spectremess" in that case, since you made it.

    Chuckle, couldn't have done it without you..

    Wow, then you managed to do that yourself: Nothing in Synchronet changes ownership or permissions of existing directories or files.

    So I've heard, however it was the compile script that did it.. in
    the words of Ripley, believe it or not.

    He doesn't believe it, nor does anyone else. The reason is quite
    simple, as he said above, the build script does nothing that could cause
    what you observed. It's just not possible. Something else that YOU DID
    is what caused your "problem".

    The End.


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Spectre on Wednesday, October 26, 2022 08:54:46
    Re: Re: sending to a fido address in thunderbird
    By: Spectre to Digital Man on Wed Oct 26 2022 09:12 am

    Wow, then you managed to do that yourself: Nothing in Synchronet
    changes ownership or permissions of existing directories or files.

    So I've heard, however it was the compile script that did it.. in the words of Ripley, believe it or not.

    I've never heard of a build script doing that (let alone Synchronet's build script doing that). I've set up Synchronet in Linux myself and haven't seen that happen. I'd have to guess something else must have done that..

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Nightfox on Thursday, October 27, 2022 10:40:00
    I've never heard of a build script doing that (let alone Synchronet's

    Me either... not in 30 odd years... but as I keep saying, it doesn't mean it didn't happen. If you extract the tarball, do the do whatever the hell that was, its to far back to recall, and the result is you have a raft of stuff missing permissions. Then? Shrug.


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  • From apam@21:1/182 to Spectre on Thursday, October 27, 2022 13:28:03
    Me either... not in 30 odd years... but as I keep saying, it doesn't
    mean it
    didn't happen. If you extract the tarball, do the do whatever the
    hell that
    was, its to far back to recall, and the result is you have a raft of
    stuff
    missing permissions. Then? Shrug.

    It also doesn't mean it's got anything to do with synchronet, given that
    it's happened to no one else, given that the installation makefile just
    does not do that, means you're either lying, did something you didn't
    know, or something else happened (filesystem corruption).

    If it's too far back to remember, and you have no interest in finding out
    what really happened, then perhaps you should stop pissing on rob's
    project all the time. Stop calling it synchromess and implying it's crap.
    Rob has put a large chunk of his life into writing Synchronet, and he
    doesn't deserve someone making rubbish claims about it all the time.

    If you don't care about it, and want people to stop calling you out about
    it, then JUST STOP CALLING IT SYNCHROMESS. It's not funny, it's offensive
    and uncalled for.

    Andrew


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to apam on Thursday, October 27, 2022 15:37:00
    If it's too far back to remember, and you have no interest in finding out what really happened, then perhaps you should stop pissing on rob's project all the time. Stop calling it synchromess and implying it's crap.

    To fair its been dead and buried for some time, only to attain zombie status and return. I'm happy referring to it as Synchromess as that's what it achieves for me. Take or leave it, I'd already left it....

    Spec


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  • From apam@21:1/182 to Spectre on Thursday, October 27, 2022 16:32:18
    To fair its been dead and buried for some time, only to attain zombie
    status
    and return. I'm happy referring to it as Synchromess as that's what
    it achieves for me. Take or leave it, I'd already left it....

    Yeah, because every time you type about synchronet you write synchromess. Because you're either inept, stupid or a liar.

    Can we all call you that? as that is what you are achieving here? Take it
    or leave it?

    No. I can't call you inept, stupid or a liar, because that's against the standards of this net. Yet calling Rob's project synchromess is ok,
    because?

    Why does this even bother me? I haven't spent nearly as much time on my projects as Rob has, Synchronet is arguably the best, most complete
    package available now days for anyone wanting to run a BBS, and it's
    free. It would bother me if some idiot defamed my project because for
    what ever reason they stuffed up their file system and decided to blame
    it on something completly unrelated.

    Most of us know in this instance you're lying (or deluded), but newbies
    not so much. It's unfair and uncalled for.

    Stop it.

    Andrew


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to apam on Thursday, October 27, 2022 18:28:00
    free. It would bother me if some idiot defamed my project because for
    what ever reason they stuffed up their file system and decided to blame
    it on something completly unrelated.

    Ya see this is the completely close minded low grade moronic response I've
    come to expect from certain elements. I'm sorry you expect I'm lying, screwed my own file system deliberately or accidently or whatever else floats your boat. You do not have to believe a word I type. However unpalatable it
    might be every word I've said is the truth about my experience with my system trying to use aforementioned software. For what its worth, I've only said my experience is bad, this is what happened, never have I said its shit
    software, there appear to be plenty of viable systems that run it happily out there. If someone pops up and says I'm going to try it, I will always suggest first trying it in something sandboxed just in case.

    Spec


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  • From apam@21:1/182 to Spectre on Thursday, October 27, 2022 20:12:27
    I may have been a little to passionate in my last response. Sorry.

    I don't really think you are a liar. I do however think you are
    stubborn, and have put two and two together and got five.

    I expect you didn't bother to investigate what really happened, and just assumed it was synchronet as that is what you happened to be doing at the
    time.

    There is nothing in the makefile that will do what you says it does.
    Computers don't do things they're not told to. It just doesn't work like
    that.

    Andrew


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to apam on Thursday, October 27, 2022 21:29:00
    I expect you didn't bother to investigate what really happened, and just assumed it was synchronet as that is what you happened to be doing at the time.

    At no time in my history using any flavour of linux have I ever seen a result as occurred while playing with Synch. You're right in that none of the subsequent repairs really inolved close scrutiny as to why what happened happened. My main concern was to get the thing bootable again given it was entirely non-functional. I did suck in a second tarball just in case, but
    that was the extent of trouble shooting. For my relative skill level, and knowing if the same happened again I knew how to effect repairs with a
    minimum of hassle that was it.

    It could be something with the particular tarball I acquired from at this
    point now places unknown. It could be something odd to my system, but if its odd to mine, could it not also be odd to someone elses? Just it's in the minority. I really don't know, and don't care. As originally covered I gave
    it a go and it failed to meet expectations.

    Spec


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Spectre on Thursday, October 27, 2022 08:04:00
    Spectre wrote to apam <=-

    free. It would bother me if some idiot defamed my project because for
    what ever reason they stuffed up their file system and decided to blame
    it on something completly unrelated.

    Ya see this is the completely close minded low grade moronic
    response I've come to expect from certain elements. I'm sorry you
    expect I'm lying, screwed my own file system deliberately or
    accidently or whatever else floats your boat. You do not have to
    believe a word I type.

    Nobody here believes your BS story about what happened. It simply could
    NOT have been caused by trying to install SBBS.

    When you keep doubling down on your BS, you keep making it easier for
    everyone to not believe a word you type about any *other* subject, also.

    Keep up the good work!



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  • From esc@21:4/173 to Spectre on Thursday, October 27, 2022 08:31:12
    I've come to expect from certain elements. I'm sorry you expect I'm
    lying, screwed my own file system deliberately or accidently or whatever else floats your boat. You do not have to believe a word I type.

    As someone who doesn't care to engage in any argumentative fashion, I /will/ say there is a part of me that is super curious how in the heck your file system/permissions/whatever to so borked here, I can't find a single step in the install process that would cause something like that.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to esc on Thursday, October 27, 2022 09:13:09
    Re: Re: Synchronet issues
    By: esc to Spectre on Thu Oct 27 2022 08:31 am

    I've come to expect from certain elements. I'm sorry you expect I'm
    lying, screwed my own file system deliberately or accidently or
    whatever else floats your boat. You do not have to believe a word I
    type.

    As someone who doesn't care to engage in any argumentative fashion, I /will/ say there is a part of me that is super curious how in the heck your file system/permissions/whatever to so borked here, I can't find a single step in the install process that would cause something like that.

    I don't know either. I've installed Synchronet in Linux, and it's just a matter of cloning a Git repository (or I suppose you can download a source tarball) and build it.. It's a fairly standard procedure, similar to many other pieces of software, and does not involve automatically changing file permissions.

    Nightfox
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  • From Digital Man to Spectre on Thursday, October 27, 2022 09:43:04
    Re: Synchronet issues
    By: Spectre to Nightfox on Thu Oct 27 2022 10:40 am

    I've never heard of a build script doing that (let alone Synchronet's

    Me either... not in 30 odd years... but as I keep saying, it doesn't mean it didn't happen. If you extract the tarball, do the do whatever the hell that was, its to far back to recall, and the result is you have a raft of stuff missing permissions. Then? Shrug.

    You're just making this up. What you're describing doesn't sound like any Synchronet installation procedure for any OS.
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Digital Man on Friday, October 28, 2022 05:02:00
    You're just making this up. What you're describing doesn't sound like any Synchronet installation procedure for any OS. -- digital man (rob)

    Sure, I just do this for fun. Why the hell would I want to do that?


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  • From Digital Man to Spectre on Thursday, October 27, 2022 13:23:09
    Re: Synchronet issues
    By: Spectre to Digital Man on Fri Oct 28 2022 05:02 am

    You're just making this up. What you're describing doesn't sound like any Synchronet installation procedure for any OS. -- digital man (rob)

    Sure, I just do this for fun. Why the hell would I want to do that?

    Maybe you're jealous of the *real* SBBS? <j/k>

    More seriously, I've noticed from searching through your posts here that you seem enjoy disparaging very successful software and the organizations that created them with derogatory nicknames. You appear to get some kind of thrill out of that. Why? Maybe your therapist can tell us.
    --
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  • From Tracker1@21:3/149 to Spectre on Thursday, October 27, 2022 16:36:53
    On 10/24/22 22:01, Spectre wrote:
    What was this "observation" exactly? I'll look again through the history

    It's so far back now, I don't even recall.. but the upshot is, somewhere between it trying to compile and copy stuff to whatever the destination was, I ended up with a lot of screwed permissions across the system.

    No idea what you were doing then... generally, at least for a long
    while, the system presumes you are in /sbbs/repo (had a different name
    before repo when it was svn, but effectively the same) and installed in
    to /sbbs/* ...

    I've literally run through the installer (containerized) dozens to
    hundreds of times and never seen it mess with any permissions outside
    that path. (or whatever you set the make prefix to if you override it).

    Pretty sure DM has done it way more times than I have.

    If you have some understanding of docker, and ever want to try it again (though it's less than ideal for containerization), it's been running
    pretty good for me.

    https://github.com/bbs-io/synchronet-docker

    No idea who else is actually running it, but it has been pulled from
    dockerhub ~10k times. Maybe 50 of those are me updating.
    --
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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Spectre on Thursday, October 27, 2022 20:12:00
    Spectre wrote to Digital Man <=-

    You're just making this up. What you're describing doesn't sound like any Synchronet installation procedure for any OS. -- digital man (rob)

    Sure, I just do this for fun. Why the hell would I want to do
    that?

    That's the question we are all asking you to answer. We don't
    understand why you'd do that either.


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Digital Man on Thursday, October 27, 2022 20:14:00
    Digital Man wrote to Spectre <=-

    Re: Synchronet issues
    By: Spectre to Digital Man on Fri Oct 28 2022 05:02 am

    You're just making this up. What you're describing doesn't sound like any Synchronet installation procedure for any OS. -- digital man (rob)

    Sure, I just do this for fun. Why the hell would I want to do that?

    Maybe you're jealous of the *real* SBBS? <j/k>

    More seriously, I've noticed from searching through your posts
    here that you seem enjoy disparaging very successful software and
    the organizations that created them with derogatory nicknames.
    You appear to get some kind of thrill out of that. Why? Maybe
    your therapist can tell us. --
    digital man (rob)


    < UP-VOTE >



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  • From Tracker1@21:3/149 to Digital Man on Thursday, October 27, 2022 22:08:31
    On 10/25/22 11:29, Digital Man wrote:

    Wow, then you managed to do that yourself: Nothing in Synchronet
    changes ownership or permissions of existing directories or files.

    The nix install script/make-install chown's the /sbbs directory to the
    current user:group towards the end.

    If he did something weird with the base path make is using, it *could*
    screw something up.
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  • From Tracker1@21:3/149 to Atreyu on Thursday, October 27, 2022 22:09:27
    On 10/25/22 08:33, Atreyu wrote:
    Well I agree with you there: *.MSG is a bad example. :-)

    Ahh but you "got" the message!

    In somewhat related programming musings I'm prepared to pay a handsome bounty for anyone who can successfully port the opensource Turbopower B-tree Isam library from Delphi to Freepascal in TP7 mode.

    I know your a C guy but if you know anyone interested, shoot me an email.

    At that point, why not just use SQLite instead?
    --
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  • From Tracker1@21:3/149 to Digital Man on Thursday, October 27, 2022 22:16:06
    On 10/25/22 18:01, Digital Man wrote:
    So I've heard, however it was the compile script that did it.. in the words >> of Ripley, believe it or not.

    Yup, I don't believe it.

    From most recent build logs...


    2022-10-24T15:33:41.1927621Z #14 [build 4/11] RUN cd ./install &&
    sed -i.bak '/git/d' ./GNUmakefile && make RELEASE=1 NO_X=1
    SBBSDIR=/sbbs install
    2022-10-24T15:33:41.1928333Z #0 0.124 echo MAKEFLAGS= os=linux RELEASE=1 NO_X=1 | tr ' ' '\n' > /sbbs/repo/src/build/localdefs.mk 2022-10-24T15:33:41.3281838Z #14 0.127 make -C /sbbs/repo/src/sbbs3
    MAKEFLAGS= os=linux RELEASE=1 NO_X=1 setcap
    2022-10-24T15:33:41.3282499Z #14 0.128 make[1]: Entering directory '/sbbs/repo/src/sbbs3'
    ..
    2022-10-24T15:38:39.6541494Z #14 298.5 cp -r /sbbs/repo/src/sbbs3/syncview/gcc.linux.x64.exe.release/syncview /sbbs/exec/syncview
    2022-10-24T15:38:39.6542080Z #14 298.5 cp -r /sbbs/repo/src/sexpots/gcc.linux.x64.exe.release/sexpots /sbbs/exec/sexpots 2022-10-24T15:38:39.6542521Z #14 298.5 chown -R : /sbbs 2022-10-24T15:38:44.4619882Z #14 303.3 chown -h : /sbbs/exec/*


    .. of course, would have required an environment change other than the
    default /sbbs for the make target.
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  • From Tracker1@21:3/149 to Nightfox on Thursday, October 27, 2022 22:17:03
    On 10/26/22 08:54, Nightfox wrote:

    I've never heard of a build script doing that (let alone
    Synchronet's build script doing that). I've set up Synchronet
    in Linux myself and haven't seen that happen. I'd have to
    guess something else must have done that..

    It does a chmod towards the end... but would have to do something weird
    with the make target to do anything destructive.
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  • From Tracker1@21:3/149 to Spectre on Thursday, October 27, 2022 22:18:58
    On 10/26/22 17:40, Spectre wrote:
    Ni> I've never heard of a build script doing that (let alone Synchronet's

    Me either... not in 30 odd years... but as I keep saying, it doesn't mean it didn't happen. If you extract the tarball, do the do whatever the hell that was, its to far back to recall, and the result is you have a raft of stuff missing permissions. Then? Shrug.

    Something like...

    chmod -R a+rwX /sbbs
    chmod -R a+x /sbbs/exec/*

    Though if you started with the tarball (not the zip), exec should have
    already been executable.

    No idea what you did or didn't do as far as that goes.
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  • From Tracker1@21:3/149 to esc on Thursday, October 27, 2022 22:24:49
    On 10/27/22 08:31, esc wrote:

    As someone who doesn't care to engage in any argumentative fashion, I
    /will/ say there is a part of me that is super curious how in the heck
    your file system/permissions/whatever to so borked here, I can't find
    a single step in the install process that would cause something like
    that.

    Other than manually setting the make target to something weird, or doing something else completely ignorantly, I'm not sure either... I mean,
    maybe unzipping in windows and FTPing/copying files over via Samba, or something... No idea either.

    Even the chown step shouldn't have caused an issue in practice.
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  • From Tracker1@21:3/149 to Spectre on Thursday, October 27, 2022 22:27:01
    On 10/27/22 12:02, Spectre wrote:
    You're just making this up. What you're describing doesn't sound
    like any Synchronet installation procedure for any OS.

    Sure, I just do this for fun. Why the hell would I want to do that?

    Maybe you're just psychologically incapable of admitting fault, or that
    you might, possibly, be wrong and instead make asinine childish
    statements about someone else's work to sate your own ego?
    --
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  • From Atreyu@21:1/176 to Tracker1 on Friday, October 28, 2022 07:23:35
    On 27 Oct 22 22:09:27, Tracker1 said the following to Atreyu:

    In somewhat related programming musings I'm prepared to pay a handsome bounty for anyone who can successfully port the opensource Turbopower B-tree Isam library from Delphi to Freepascal in TP7 mode.

    I know your a C guy but if you know anyone interested, shoot me an email.

    At that point, why not just use SQLite instead?

    Because the project in question would require a serious amount of retooling to use it.

    Atreyu

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Tracker1 on Friday, October 28, 2022 07:45:00
    Tracker1 wrote to Spectre <=-

    You're just making this up. What you're describing doesn't sound
    like any Synchronet installation procedure for any OS.

    Sure, I just do this for fun. Why the hell would I want to do that?

    Maybe you're just psychologically incapable of admitting fault,
    or that you might, possibly, be wrong and instead make asinine
    childish statements about someone else's work to sate your own
    ego?

    DING! DING! DING!

    We have a winner!!!

    Game, set, and match.



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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Gamgee on Friday, October 28, 2022 09:41:51
    Re: Re: Synchronet issues
    By: Gamgee to Spectre on Thu Oct 27 2022 08:12 pm

    You're just making this up. What you're describing doesn't sound
    like any Synchronet installation procedure for any OS. -- digital
    man (rob)

    Sure, I just do this for fun. Why the hell would I want to do
    that?

    That's the question we are all asking you to answer. We don't
    understand why you'd do that either.

    I feel like there's some lack of understanding of OS fundamentals or something on his part going on here.. If it were me and that happened to me, I'd probably try it again a couple times to see if the problem is repeatable, and if it is, I'd probably ask questions and try to track it down rather than blaming Synchronet. Nobody else has reported this problem, so I don't think it's a Synchronet issue.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Tracker1 on Friday, October 28, 2022 09:49:41
    Re: Re: Synchronet issues
    By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Thu Oct 27 2022 10:17 pm

    It does a chmod towards the end... but would have to do something weird with the make target to do anything destructive.

    I saw you had mentioned chown in another message.. I suppose there may be a possibility of something weird happening. It seems he's making a big deal of it though.. I'm not sure it could really do anything too destructive.

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Friday, October 28, 2022 14:54:00
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Re: Re: Synchronet issues
    By: Gamgee to Spectre on Thu Oct 27 2022 08:12 pm

    You're just making this up. What you're describing doesn't sound
    like any Synchronet installation procedure for any OS. -- digital
    man (rob)

    Sure, I just do this for fun. Why the hell would I want to do
    that?

    That's the question we are all asking you to answer. We don't
    understand why you'd do that either.

    I feel like there's some lack of understanding of OS fundamentals
    or something on his part going on here.. If it were me and that
    happened to me, I'd probably try it again a couple times to see
    if the problem is repeatable, and if it is, I'd probably ask
    questions and try to track it down rather than blaming
    Synchronet. Nobody else has reported this problem, so I don't
    think it's a Synchronet issue.

    Absolutely. It's clearly a PEBKAC issue. It's never happened to anyone
    else, ever. It's either completely fabricated or some strange twist was applied to the installation that the author "can't remember" anything
    about.


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  • From Digital Man to Tracker1 on Friday, October 28, 2022 13:27:40
    Re: Re: sending to a fido address in thunderbird
    By: Tracker1 to Digital Man on Thu Oct 27 2022 10:08 pm

    On 10/25/22 11:29, Digital Man wrote:

    Wow, then you managed to do that yourself: Nothing in Synchronet
    changes ownership or permissions of existing directories or files.

    The nix install script/make-install chown's the /sbbs directory to the current user:group towards the end.

    If he did something weird with the base path make is using, it *could*
    screw something up.

    Spectre said he used a tarball file, which doesn't use the install/GNUmakefile you're referring to.
    --
    digital man (rob)

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    Phreak = Telephone system hack[er]
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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Digital Man on Saturday, October 29, 2022 09:33:30
    Digital Man wrote to Tracker1 <=-

    Spectre said he used a tarball file, which doesn't use the install/GNUmakefile you're referring to. --
    digital man (rob)

    Would accidentally doing some/all of the steps as su cause an issue like
    that (I forget which user he said owned the files, if he did)?


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  • From Digital Man to Blue White on Saturday, October 29, 2022 10:36:37
    Re: Re: sending to a fido address in thunderbird
    By: Blue White to Digital Man on Sat Oct 29 2022 09:33 am

    Digital Man wrote to Tracker1 <=-

    Spectre said he used a tarball file, which doesn't use the install/GNUmakefile you're referring to. --

    Would accidentally doing some/all of the steps as su cause an issue like that (I forget which user he said owned the files, if he did)?

    No, that'd just make most (or all, if using the tarball method) of the files installed owned as the su'd user.
    --
    digital man (rob)

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    Free dynamic yourbbs.synchro.net hostnames were made first available in 2003 Norco, CA WX: 70.7°F, 39.0% humidity, 4 mph E wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs
  • From Tracker1@21:3/149 to Nightfox on Tuesday, November 01, 2022 20:31:42
    On 10/28/22 09:49, Nightfox wrote:
    It does a chmod towards the end... but would have to do something
    weird with the make target to do anything destructive.

    I saw you had mentioned chown in another message.. I suppose there
    may be a possibility of something weird happening. It seems he's
    making a big deal of it though.. I'm not sure it could really do
    anything too destructive.

    you're right, chown... in any case, unless you have a borked/odd prefix setting/config, then it should definitely not do anything destructive.
    In the container builds, it sets to ":" as opposed to say "0:0" or
    whatever, which doesn't seem to break anything at all. This runs for
    every time there's a new release in a 24hr window and has (mostly) for
    well over a year now.
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  • From Tracker1@21:3/149 to Digital Man on Tuesday, November 01, 2022 20:32:45
    On 10/28/22 13:27, Digital Man wrote:

    Spectre said he used a tarball file, which doesn't use the install/GNUmakefile you're referring to.

    definitely pebkac issue then.
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