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    From Spectre@21:3/101 to Anybody on Wednesday, August 24, 2022 03:01:00
    By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes...namely HD failure....

    Some weeks back I had a "bounce" in the power... no biggy in itself,
    microwave reset which was about the only thing that made it obvious. The BBS system was up and flying all seemed well with the world...

    The first problem I noticed a day later when for some reason CRON stopped producing any mail for its 6 daily tasks. Odd... are they even running?
    Where did they go. There's a few things that relate directly to the BBS in there and the rest are stats gathering for my websites. It turns out all
    these items are still running, the proof is in the updated stats pages for
    the most part. Still no idea what's happened to CRON.

    Something I did discover though, probably not related but perhaps so, is a
    raft of SMART errors. A mixture of deferred writes, lock outs and more
    general errors. Probably no real surprise given its a 190Gb PATA drive, some ~9 years old. Time to back up whatever appears to be important, and see
    about replacing it, and install a new system on it.

    Spec


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  • From fusion@21:1/616 to Spectre on Tuesday, August 23, 2022 15:04:52
    On 24 Aug 2022, Spectre said the following...

    Some weeks back I had a "bounce" in the power... no biggy in itself, microwave reset which was about the only thing that made it obvious.
    The BBS system was up and flying all seemed well with the world...

    brown outs are really bad for computers heh

    maybe it's time for a UPS. or move the BBS to a comparable laptop..

    ... If a pig loses its voice, is it disgruntled?

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  • From Zip@21:1/202 to Spectre on Wednesday, August 24, 2022 00:05:09
    Hello Spectre!

    On 24 Aug 2022, Spectre said the following...
    By the pricking of my thumb, something wicked this way comes...namely HD failure....

    :-O

    pages for the most part. Still no idea what's happened to CRON.

    Are there any logs from the MTA (Postfix, Exim etc.)?
    Or perhaps frozen messages in the outbound mail queue for some reason?

    Something I did discover though, probably not related but perhaps so, is
    a raft of SMART errors. A mixture of deferred writes, lock outs and more

    Ah, yes, this usually comes with time...

    In the old days I lost almost 10% to bad sectors overnight on an old Seagate 428 MB HDD. Not sure if that one had SMART reporting, although back then I don't think neither the OS nor the BIOS checked the SMART status...

    I have installed smartd here, which e-mails about any errors. If e-mail is working, that is...

    Aside from continuous (every 30 minutes) monitoring of the SMART status, I have configured it to do a short daily self-test of all drives. For non-SSDs, on the 1st each month, it does a long self-test instead of a short one.

    Hopefully that will give some in-advance indication of any drive problems...

    some ~9 years old. Time to back up whatever appears to be important,
    and see about replacing it, and install a new system on it.

    Yep! =)

    Best regards
    Zip

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Zip on Wednesday, August 24, 2022 12:05:00
    Are there any logs from the MTA (Postfix, Exim etc.)? Or perhaps
    frozen messages in the outbound mail queue for some reason?

    I hadn't considered the MTA not starting up. But it certainly wasn't doing
    its thing. Good call... log wasn't overly helpful though.. its a "mail.log" with combined logs from postfix, dovecot and anything else tied into the mail system.

    Spec


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to fusion on Wednesday, August 24, 2022 14:57:40
    brown outs are really bad for computers heh

    maybe it's time for a UPS. or move the BBS to a comparable laptop..

    I just got a new UPS, because, yeah, without a battery, things can get dicey.

    But what was _odd_ about the UPS, is that all the outlets are IEC 13 or 14.
    So now I have a UPS and nothing to plug into it.

    So now I'll wait for 20cm-long converter cords, so that I can plug in things like it's a normal European outlet.

    Is anyone familiar with the "why" for a UPS having IEC outlets? I was not familiar with the outlet type, aside from maybe as part of a laptop cable.
    But aside from space issues on the UPS, it's mostly just something that I'd never be able to use all 6 outlets.

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  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to Adept on Thursday, August 25, 2022 14:51:05
    Hi Adept,

    But what was _odd_ about the UPS, is that all the outlets are IEC 13
    or 14. So now I have a UPS and nothing to plug into it.

    So now I'll wait for 20cm-long converter cords, so that I can plug in
    things like it's a normal European outlet.

    Those IEC's are standard outlet's, and as you found out. You'll now need a converter cable.

    never be able to use all 6 outlets.

    On UPS's that I've seen and delt with, all 6 outlet's wont be battery
    backup. Three will be, plus surge protection, and the other three will be
    surge protected only.




    \/orlon
    aka
    Stephen


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to vorlon on Thursday, August 25, 2022 08:03:00
    Hello vorlon!

    ** On Thursday 25.08.22 - 14:51, vorlon wrote to Adept:

    On UPS's that I've seen and delt with, all 6 outlet's wont
    be battery backup. Three will be, plus surge protection,
    and the other three will be surge protected only.

    Unless you have one of these babies:

    https://bbs.lc/uJOMf

    https://www.apc.com/shop/mk/en/products/APC-Smart-UPS-C-Line- Interactive-1000VA-Tower-230V-8x-IEC-C13-outlets-USB-and- Serial-communication-AVR-Graphic-LCD/P-SMC1000I

    Mine is 120V, but all 8 outlets are batt backup.

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  • From fusion@21:1/616 to Adept on Thursday, August 25, 2022 14:48:38
    On 24 Aug 2022, Adept said the following...

    Is anyone familiar with the "why" for a UPS having IEC outlets? I was not

    i remember a lot of server racks having "power strips" of those. maybe some weird legacy thing or for a specific market..

    ... APPLE: It may be slow, but at least it's expensive.

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110.1 to fusion on Thursday, August 25, 2022 18:51:06
    *** Quoting fusion from a message to Adept ***

    Is anyone familiar with the "why" for a UPS having IEC outlets?

    i remember a lot of server racks having "power strips" of those.
    maybe some weird legacy thing or for a specific market..

    Yup, exactly this. A few jobs ago we have two server racks, each with two managed power strips running up each side. The power strips had the C14 inlets & each power strip was plugged into its own UPS.

    We'd run shorter C13 to C14 cables from the servers to each power strip. As to why the C14 inlets instead of a standard NEMA 5-15 plug is anyone's guess.


    Jay

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  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to Ogg on Friday, August 26, 2022 10:31:25
    Hi Ogg,

    On UPS's that I've seen and delt with, all 6 outlet's wont
    be battery backup. Three will be, plus surge protection,
    and the other three will be surge protected only.

    Unless you have one of these babies:

    https://bbs.lc/uJOMf

    Different courses for different horses..... %=-)

    Some UPS's are like that APC unit, and some are like I said....



    \/orlon
    aka
    Stephen


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to vorlon on Friday, August 26, 2022 13:58:00
    Different courses for different horses..... %=-)

    I'll leave you a little hoarse?

    Spec


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  • From Zip@21:1/202 to Spectre on Friday, August 26, 2022 08:58:34
    Hello Spectre!

    On 24 Aug 2022, Spectre said the following...
    I hadn't considered the MTA not starting up. But it certainly wasn't doing its thing. Good call... log wasn't overly helpful though.. its a "mail.log" with combined logs from postfix, dovecot and anything else
    tied into the mail system.

    Ah, yes, those logs can be a bit messy... And often aren't verbose enough. :)

    Best regards
    Zip

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to vorlon on Friday, August 26, 2022 21:12:58
    Those IEC's are standard outlet's, and as you found out. You'll now need
    a converter cable.

    Well, sure, but for what? Yeah, I have a device or two that has that sort of outlet as part of the cable, but not with a female plug that could go into the UPS.

    But I did pick up four converter cables, and the UPS is now working just fine.

    never be able to use all 6 outlets.

    On UPS's that I've seen and delt with, all 6 outlet's wont be battery backup. Three will be, plus surge protection, and the other three will be surge protected only.

    Sure. Mine has 4 battery protected, 2 without. I only bought 4 cables, and am currently only using 3. I figure the non-battery-protected stuff can be
    plugged into my surge protector that does some form of power shaping.

    Regardless, I think my desktop is reasonably setup, now. The UPS makes me
    feel a bit safer about the equipment, even if, obviously, it wouldn't help
    much with a direct hit.

    Though I also managed to buy a UPS that doesn't have a way to auto-shut-down the computer. Which is unfortunate, but hopefully irrelevant. Depends how
    much I keep it on while I'm not at home, I suppose.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to fusion on Friday, August 26, 2022 21:14:27
    Is anyone familiar with the "why" for a UPS having IEC outlets? I was

    i remember a lot of server racks having "power strips" of those. maybe some weird legacy thing or for a specific market..

    Ah, okay, thanks. And I probably did just get a weird UPS, entirely unintentionally. I didn't check things I should've checked.

    But, eh, it seems to work, and hopefully it'll perform if/when it has to.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Adept on Saturday, August 27, 2022 10:32:00
    Well, sure, but for what? Yeah, I have a device or two that has that sort of outlet as part of the cable, but not with a female plug that could
    go into the UPS.

    Once upon a time, when the three bears were just cubs, said lead used to be pretty common for monitors. AT supplies commonly had them, they died out
    after the introduction of ATX supplies with soft power.

    Spec


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Adept on Friday, August 26, 2022 23:12:00
    Hello Adept!

    ** On Friday 26.08.22 - 21:14, Adept wrote to fusion:

    But, eh, it seems to work, and hopefully it'll perform if/
    when it has to.

    While it's on, unplug it from the power and see how it
    performs. Might be a good opportunity to figure out how to
    silence the alarm if you have to.

    I recently revived an old Belkin F6C550-AVR. And I mean "old":
    it has surge protection for modem/phone connectors! It
    originally came with a small 12V 5AH half-size battery. At
    half-load, it would theoretically only run 8 minutes, but it
    barely managed to keep a DT computer running 4 minutes. I was
    very disappointed back then. Now, I realized I could fit a
    full-size 12V 9AH battery in it and simply let it service my
    cordless phone base, answering machine and an LED desk lamp. I
    am hoping it would operate over an hour under those small
    loads.


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  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to Adept on Saturday, August 27, 2022 19:29:13
    Hi Adept,

    Regardless, I think my desktop is reasonably setup, now. The UPS makes
    me feel a bit safer about the equipment, even if, obviously, it
    wouldn't help much with a direct hit.

    Nothing will survive a direct hit!


    Though I also managed to buy a UPS that doesn't have a way to
    auto-shut-down the computer. Which is unfortunate, but hopefully
    irrelevant. Depends how much I keep it on while I'm not at home, I
    suppose.

    Does it have a USB or even a serial port?

    Even though a lot of manufactors don't include a CD anymore, the controll/monitor software should be downloadable from there site...



    \/orlon
    aka
    Stephen


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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110.1 to vorlon on Saturday, August 27, 2022 08:31:18
    *** Quoting vorlon from a message to Adept ***

    Even though a lot of manufactors don't include a CD anymore, the controll/monitor software should be downloadable from there site...

    The UPSes we use at my current job have built in network controllers, we have them pointed at our internal SMTP server to alert us if something goes awry.

    I'm not sure what it is about these models but if the battery reaches end-of-life it will shoot out two or three emails once a minute. There's nothing quite like getting to your desk in the morning and seeing 1200 new messages in a shared mailbox.

    We've since pointed that at our ticketing system, so at least now we'll only get one message about the problem. Logging into the ticket you'll see the thousands of "updates".


    Jay

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  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to Warpslide on Sunday, August 28, 2022 12:45:26
    Hi Warplside

    Even though a lot of manufactors don't include a CD anymore, the controll/monitor software should be downloadable from there
    site...

    The UPSes we use at my current job have built in network controllers,
    we have them pointed at our internal SMTP server to alert us if
    something goes awry.

    Aslong as the internal server isn't AWOL!

    There's nothing quite like getting to your desk in the morning and
    seeing 1200 new messages in a shared mailbox.

    Yikes! #0(

    We've since pointed that at our ticketing system, so at least now
    we'll only get one message about the problem. Logging into the ticket you'll see the thousands of "updates".

    Can't the setting be changed to now spew out so many email's?



    \/orlon
    aka
    Stephen


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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110.1 to vorlon on Sunday, August 28, 2022 07:18:04
    *** Quoting vorlon from a message to Warpslide ***

    Aslong as the internal server isn't AWOL!

    We have another monitoring system that checks various hosts to make sure the're up. That one uses the O365 smtp server to send out alerts.

    Can't the setting be changed to now spew out so many email's?

    There's not a lot of settings available on these UPSes for whatever reason, we've reported it to Schneider who "thanked us for our concern" but nothing ever seemed to get fixed with it.

    We generally log into the UPS to shut off monitoring if this happens until
    the battery is swapped out, which is usually just a couple of days. And this only seems to happen if the battery is end-of-life so not a very frequent occurrence.


    Jay

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  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to Warpslide on Monday, August 29, 2022 10:44:06
    Hi Warpslide,

    Aslong as the internal server isn't AWOL!

    We have another monitoring system that checks various hosts to make
    sure the're up. That one uses the O365 smtp server to send out
    alerts.

    If the internet connection i sstill working! #-;)

    Can't the setting be changed to not spew out so many email's?

    There's not a lot of settings available on these UPSes for whatever
    reason, we've reported it to Schneider who "thanked us for our
    concern" but nothing ever seemed to get fixed with it.

    Log a support ticket saying you're going to forward all those emails to
    them. &-/ That might get some action....

    We generally log into the UPS to shut off monitoring if this
    happens until the battery is swapped out, which is usually just a
    couple of days. And this only seems to happen if the battery is
    end-of-life so not a very frequent occurrence.

    It's still an annoying thing to happen. If the ups's are on the cheap side
    then yeah, ship it and forget about it... If they are the more
    expensive type, then the companny should listen to customer feed back...




    \/orlon
    aka
    Stephen


    --- Talisman v0.43-dev (Linux/m68k)
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  • From TassieBob@21:3/169 to vorlon on Monday, August 29, 2022 21:59:42

    There's not a lot of settings available on these UPSes for whatever
    reason, we've reported it to Schneider who "thanked us for our
    concern" but nothing ever seemed to get fixed with it.

    Log a support ticket saying you're going to forward all those emails to them. &-/ That might get some action....

    From Schneider/APC? I've been involved in spending millions with them over the years and even that doesn't encourage them to be overly helpful. I avoid buying from them these days - at least for anything that used to (or still has) an APC name on it.

    The Silcon UPS's APC acquired last century were OK (I had 4 x 160KVA's about 15 years ago). Their "Megawatt" modular UPS's had a few issues (3 of those, still in service at a site for $job-2). Their consumer and SMB stuff was very problematic in years gone by - they had a bad habit of setting the float voltage too high - I've seen a few literally let the smoke out, and many that "inflated" the batteries to the point that an angle grinder or tin snips were needed to get the batteries out. Float voltage is adjustable on some, but used to come out of the factory set too high.

    In other UPS news, the old Chloride 20KVA's were downright dangerous - 2 out of 3 literally went up in flames.

    It's still an annoying thing to happen. If the ups's are on the cheap
    side
    then yeah, ship it and forget about it... If they are the more
    expensive type, then the companny should listen to customer feed back...

    Should...


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Ogg on Monday, August 29, 2022 21:19:46
    very disappointed back then. Now, I realized I could fit a
    full-size 12V 9AH battery in it and simply let it service my
    cordless phone base, answering machine and an LED desk lamp. I
    am hoping it would operate over an hour under those small
    loads.

    I found it fun, when I first had a UPS, where it allowed me to keep a lamp on when everyone else was in darkness.

    Not sure if that really matters, at this point, since people will just use
    cell phone lights or whatnot, but I enjoyed it.

    While it's on, unplug it from the power and see how it
    performs. Might be a good opportunity to figure out how to
    silence the alarm if you have to.

    For mine, it's to short press the button, but if it's really low on power, it'll just scream constantly until you shut it off.

    I really would prefer a bit more option on how much sound it makes.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Storm BBS (21:2/108)
  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to TassieBob on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 10:00:11
    Hi TassieBob,

    Log a support ticket saying you're going to forward all those
    emails to them. &-/ That might get some action....

    From Schneider/APC? I've been involved in spending millions with them
    over the years and even that doesn't encourage them to be overly
    helpful. I avoid buying from them these days - at least for anything
    that used to (or still has) an APC name on it.
    [...]

    I've not heard of Schneider, but if they got taken over by APC, then
    that's why.... Bad experiance with APC a *long* time ago, and swore to
    never use them again.

    I've mainly done, Eaton, Powershield, and ION units. These have been
    office sites and not datacentre based sites.

    I've got a Eaton unit under my desk right now. Purchased in 2010, and
    only needed it's battery's replaced a couple of years ago. It has been
    one of the most reliable unit's I've delt with...



    \/orlon
    aka
    Stephen


    --- Talisman v0.43-dev (Linux/m68k)
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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to vorlon on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 20:03:50
    Does it have a USB or even a serial port?

    Even though a lot of manufactors don't include a CD anymore, the controll/monitor software should be downloadable from there site...

    Nope. All the UPS has is the six IEC outlets, four battery back up, two not.

    So, yeah, it'll work, but I think I wound up buying a different model than I probably would have chosen had I realized I needed to think about it more.

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  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to Adept on Thursday, September 01, 2022 11:52:28
    Hi Adept,

    Does it have a USB or even a serial port?

    Nope. All the UPS has is the six IEC outlets, four battery back up,
    two not.

    Bugger!

    So, yeah, it'll work, but I think I wound up buying a different model
    than I probably would have chosen had I realized I needed to think
    about it more.

    Looks like you might have to go down that route of just using it on your desktop machine and then manually shutting things down when it starts to
    beep and go mad... #0-;



    \/orlon
    aka
    Stephen


    --- Talisman v0.43-dev (Linux/m68k)
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  • From TassieBob@21:3/169 to vorlon on Thursday, September 01, 2022 23:06:14

    I've not heard of Schneider, but if they got taken over by APC, then that's why.... Bad experiance with APC a *long* time ago, and swore to never use them again.

    I'm mostly in the same boat - except I have one small APC UPS here that I'm still using, but I will be replacing it at some point. I also have a couple of older 2KVA APC units and I absolutely won't use those - other than needing new batteries they do work, but I don't trust them one bit. They were given to me and I plan on recovering some parts from them. I wouldn't even give them away, lest they go up in smoke in someone else's house.

    I've mainly done, Eaton, Powershield, and ION units. These have been office sites and not datacentre based sites.

    Eaton is where I've been looking - I just need to work out what will be staying here at home and what will end up off-site so I know what the load will look like longer term.

    I've got a Eaton unit under my desk right now. Purchased in 2010, and
    only needed it's battery's replaced a couple of years ago. It has been
    one of the most reliable unit's I've delt with...

    I've only ever heard good things about Eaton :-)


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to TassieBob on Thursday, September 01, 2022 12:18:00
    TassieBob wrote to vorlon <=-

    I've got a Eaton unit under my desk right now. Purchased in 2010, and
    only needed it's battery's replaced a couple of years ago. It has been
    one of the most reliable unit's I've delt with...

    I've only ever heard good things about Eaton :-)

    Same here.

    I can state that they are used extensively on critical-care medical
    equipment, and there's a reason for that.



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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to vorlon on Thursday, September 01, 2022 18:10:33
    Looks like you might have to go down that route of just using it on your desktop machine and then manually shutting things down when it starts to beep and go mad... #0-;

    Yeah, that's my plan. The real worry is when I have it on when I'm not at
    home.

    It screaming for however long it can maintain power will undoubtedly not be appreciated by neighbors, and not be particularly appreciated by me, whether I'm there or not.

    Really, I'm questioning my decision. Not because of the UPS, but because,
    "this device screams loudly with no warning and no ability to adjust it" just is... not ideal.

    As it is, I'm also struggling with the short cord and the annoying green
    light.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
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  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to TassieBob on Friday, September 02, 2022 13:00:05
    Hi TassieBob,

    that's why.... Bad experiance with APC a *long* time ago, and
    swore to never use them again.

    I'm mostly in the same boat - except I have one small APC UPS here
    that I'm still using, but I will be replacing it at some point. I
    [...]
    some parts from them. I wouldn't even give them away, lest they go up
    in smoke in someone else's house.

    Yeah, for what was paid for them, the quality was so bad that the memory
    hasn't forgotten.


    I've mainly done, Eaton, Powershield, and ION units. These have
    been office sites and not datacentre based sites.

    Eaton is where I've been looking - I just need to work out what will
    be staying here at home and what will end up off-site so I know what
    the load will look like longer term.

    Purchase two of them. #-)

    I've got a Eaton unit under my desk right now. Purchased in 2010,
    and only needed it's battery's replaced a couple of years ago. It
    has been one of the most reliable unit's I've delt with...

    I've only ever heard good things about Eaton :-)

    They have a good range of unit's from the small two outlet to the bigger
    rack mount beasts....

    My unit was tested just the other day.. The sparky working on the unit
    next door killed power for half an hour (Didn't tell anyone he was going
    to, just did it), to work on the dist box (Feeds six units). The ups's
    both stayed working and powering my pc and the server with no issues.

    I would have powered down though in the next five minutes if he had been longer... The both have lasted about 45 minutes in the past, but I
    haven't pushed them longer. The eaton is a 1500va unit and the ion a
    2000va..



    \/orlon
    aka
    Stephen


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  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to Adept on Friday, September 02, 2022 13:08:31
    HI Adept,

    Looks like you might have to go down that route of just using it
    on your desktop machine and then manually shutting things down
    when it starts to beep and go mad... #0-;

    Yeah, that's my plan. The real worry is when I have it on when I'm not
    at home.

    Leave a sign at your front door saying "Turn off computer & UPS" %->

    It screaming for however long it can maintain power will undoubtedly
    not be appreciated by neighbors, and not be particularly appreciated by
    me, whether I'm there or not.

    It'll only do that when there is no AC, or it's battery dies!

    Really, I'm questioning my decision. Not because of the UPS, but
    because, "this device screams loudly with no warning and no ability to adjust it" just is... not ideal.

    oh! Mine beep, but they are not ear pearcing! Just loud enough to be
    heard from the living room. They can't be heard from outside, and I'm
    only in a small two bedroom unit.

    As it is, I'm also struggling with the short cord and the annoying
    green light.

    Green light means it's working. %-;


    \/orlon
    aka
    Stephen


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Adept on Friday, September 02, 2022 09:06:00
    Hello Adept!

    ** On Thursday 01.09.22 - 18:10, Adept wrote to vorlon:

    Really, I'm questioning my decision. Not because of the
    UPS, but because, "this device screams loudly with no
    warning and no ability to adjust it" just is... not ideal.

    Sorry to "hear" that. :/ Maybe put some sound-proofing
    around it?

    As it is, I'm also struggling with the short cord and the annoying green light.

    What short cord?

    re: green light.. the one on one of my APC ES 750s seems pretty
    bright too. But a piece of paper over it is a fine hack.


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to vorlon on Friday, September 02, 2022 14:57:24
    Leave a sign at your front door saying "Turn off computer & UPS" %->

    Hah! Yeah, though interferes with my doing various silly things. I've been turning my computers off more, but I wanted the one on at home because it's
    in Germany and I'm not (and basically provides me a VPN of sorts, which is mostly applicable so that I pay for things in Euros and not in US dollars or Danish Kroner), because I'm trying out a camera with it, because I'm still sending various data to it, and because I'll probably be messing with it over the next week or two.

    Perhaps not entirely reasonable, in this time when there are such big energy issues, but I have my reasons, at least.

    It'll only do that when there is no AC, or it's battery dies!

    Yeah. So, if there's a power outage...

    oh! Mine beep, but they are not ear pearcing! Just loud enough to be

    Huh. Yeah, I'm thinking I'll not buy from APC again in the future, if
    something quieter is possible. Ideally, for me, it'd beep lightly once, have
    a generally-obvious (but not particularly loud) humming sound, and have a
    light that flashes, that, if it really bothers me, I can cover it with a few layers of tape.

    Green light means it's working. %-;

    Yeah... But did they really have to make it a large green light, plus a
    little line of green that goes around most of the front of the unit?

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Ogg on Friday, September 02, 2022 15:02:59
    Sorry to "hear" that. :/ Maybe put some sound-proofing
    around it?

    As Vorlon says, it only does it if it loses power or there's something wrong with the battery.

    So hopefully it just won't go particularly often. I'd do sound proofing _anyway_, but I'm not entirely sure how that'd work thermally. As in, I worry that it'd overheat.

    What short cord?

    It's not super short. It's just that it's maybe a bit over a meter/3 feet
    long, and I switched my setup so that it's under the desk rather than immediately at the outlet. I'd prefer to have it placed back a bit further,
    but it's really at the limit of what I can use.

    But the nice surge protector I got? Plenty of cord length, without feeling
    too long.

    re: green light.. the one on one of my APC ES 750s seems pretty
    bright too. But a piece of paper over it is a fine hack.

    That's a solid plan, and I'll probably do something like that. Currently I
    just have something placed in front of it. But when I'm normally sleeping in the room, I'll probably go the paper route.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Adept on Friday, September 02, 2022 19:33:00
    Hello Adept!

    ** On Friday 02.09.22 - 14:57, Adept wrote to vorlon:

    Green light means it's working. %-;

    Yeah... But did they really have to make it a large green
    light, plus a little line of green that goes around most of
    the front of the unit?

    What model of the APC is it?


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  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to Adept on Saturday, September 03, 2022 10:42:27
    Hi Adept,

    Leave a sign at your front door saying "Turn off computer & UPS"


    Hah! Yeah, though interferes with my doing various silly things. I've
    [..]
    a camera with it, because I'm still sending various data to it, and
    because I'll probably be messing with it over the next week or two.

    Perhaps not entirely reasonable, in this time when there are such big
    energy issues, but I have my reasons, at least.

    Needing to be present is a issue then.... Perhaps do some better research
    and get a better unit?

    It'll only do that when there is no AC, or it's battery dies!

    Yeah. So, if there's a power outage...

    Nothing to worrie about!

    oh! Mine beep, but they are not ear pearcing! Just loud enough to

    Huh. Yeah, I'm thinking I'll not buy from APC again in the future, if

    There's the issue, a APC crap on junk. #0(

    something quieter is possible. Ideally, for me, it'd beep lightly
    once, have a generally-obvious (but not particularly loud) humming
    sound, and have a light that flashes, that, if it really bothers me, I
    can cover it with a few layers of tape.

    When mine beep, it's about every 1 minute or so... It's a "Beep Beep",
    wait some time, "Beep Beep".


    Green light means it's working. %-;

    Yeah... But did they really have to make it a large green light, plus
    a little line of green that goes around most of the front of the unit?

    "Pretty lights" so it must draw the cool kids in.... ^-;



    \/orlon
    aka
    Stephen


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Ogg on Saturday, September 03, 2022 19:45:39
    Yeah... But did they really have to make it a large green
    light, plus a little line of green that goes around most of
    the front of the unit?

    What model of the APC is it?

    APC Easy UPS BVX 2200VA/230V IEC
    ...is what the order says.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Adept on Saturday, September 03, 2022 19:33:00
    Hello Adept!

    ** On Saturday 03.09.22 - 19:45, Adept wrote to Ogg:

    What model of the APC is it?

    APC Easy UPS BVX 2200VA/230V IEC
    ...is what the order says.

    2200va is sweet. What kind of runtime do you expect with it?

    I recently discovered apcupsd (http://www.apcupsd.org/) ..and
    it provides extra info that the powerchute software ignores.

    I have two laptops (Thinkpad T60, w/HDD, and Thinkpad T540p, w/
    SSD) and a router for my mobile data, and it reports 50min
    runtime for my APC 750va ES. The internal battery is a fresh
    generic 12v 9aH.

    With the T540p alone (+ the router), it reports 90min
    possibility.

    --

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Warpslide on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 14:01:00
    Warpslide wrote to fusion <=-

    We'd run shorter C13 to C14 cables from the servers to each power
    strip. As to why the C14 inlets instead of a standard NEMA 5-15 plug
    is anyone's guess.

    C14 inlets on the UPS? I've seen server power strips with C14 connectors, I assumed it was for 220V to servers instead of 110V.


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