• Join Networks

    From faeempress@21:2/125 to All on Thursday, August 25, 2022 14:49:42
    I removed Dove-net from my BBS and have applied to Agoranet and
    Araknet. Are any of you guys running your own network? I'm
    looking for more to join.
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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110.1 to faeempress on Thursday, August 25, 2022 19:20:14
    *** Quoting faeempress from a message to All ***

    I removed Dove-net from my BBS and have applied to Agoranet and
    Araknet. Are any of you guys running your own network?

    I'm looking for more to join.

    I'd recommend Micronet:
    https://www.minftn.net/

    And tqwNet:
    https://erb.pw/node-request/


    You can also check out Fidonet, since you're in Kamloops that looks like it may be a job for Alan Ianson (21:4/106 & 1:153/0).


    Jay

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to faeempress on Thursday, August 25, 2022 16:32:32
    Re: Join Networks
    By: faeempress to All on Thu Aug 25 2022 02:49 pm

    I removed Dove-net from my BBS and have applied to Agoranet and
    Araknet. Are any of you guys running your own network? I'm
    looking for more to join.

    I'm curious why you removed Dove-Net? That's one of the more busy networks I've seen out there.

    I have a couple, DeveloperNet (for software development/programming) and MusicalNet (for music topics). They usually don't get much traffic though:

    http://www.digitaldistortionbbs.com/digdist-pages/DigDistNets.ssjs

    Nightfox
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  • From faeempress@21:2/125 to All on Thursday, August 25, 2022 17:22:19
    Warpslide Wrote in message:r
    *** Quoting faeempress from a message to All *** fa> I removed Dove-net from my BBS and have applied to Agoranet and fa> Araknet. Are any of you guys running your own network? fa> I'm looking for more to join.I'd recommend Micronet:https://www.minftn.net/And tqwNet:https://erb.pw/node-request/You can also check out Fidonet, since you're in Kamloops that looks like it may be a job for Alan Ianson (21:4/106 & 1:153/0).Jay.. I've always pictured myself taking selfies--- Telegard v3.09.g2-sp4/mL * Origin: Northern Realms | tg.nrbbs.net | 289-424-5180 (21:3/110.1)

    I thought about applying for Fidonet, but wow that's one huge
    message base. Well more than one. Maybe I'll consider it again.
    Micronet looks good too.
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  • From faeempress@21:2/125 to Nightfox on Thursday, August 25, 2022 17:26:39
    I removed Dove-net from my BBS and have applied to Agoranet and Araknet. Are any of you guys running your own network? I'm
    looking for more to join.

    I'm curious why you removed Dove-Net? That's one of the more busy networks I've seen out there.
    For the last 2 months it's only been a guy arguing about the moon landings being fake. That, and I prefer FTN over QWK.

    Thanks for the suggestions, I'll give them a peruse.



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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to faeempress on Thursday, August 25, 2022 19:10:26
    Re: Re: Join Networks
    By: faeempress to Nightfox on Thu Aug 25 2022 05:26 pm

    For the last 2 months it's only been a guy arguing about the moon landings being fake. That, and I prefer FTN over QWK.

    I don't think it has been that long. And that's the infamous MRO.. I've found that traffic on Dove-Net goes up and down. I've had Dove-Net on my BBS since 2007, and other than MRO's BS, usually it has some interesting activity. But sometimes there are a few days when nobody posts.

    FTN vs. QWK doesn't really make much difference to me, as long as I can get a message network hooked up.

    Thanks for the suggestions, I'll give them a peruse.

    DeveloperNet and MusicalNet are mainly QWK, but there is an FTN feed for them.

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  • From esc@21:4/173 to faeempress on Thursday, August 25, 2022 19:44:22
    I thought about applying for Fidonet, but wow that's one huge
    message base. Well more than one. Maybe I'll consider it again.
    Micronet looks good too.

    I have a fidonet feed but don't have all subs turned on, just the ones I think are interesting to carry. Just letting you know that's an option.

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to faeempress on Thursday, August 25, 2022 19:14:08
    I removed Dove-net from my BBS and have applied to Agoranet and
    Araknet. Are any of you guys running your own network? I'm
    looking for more to join.

    I think fsxNet and Dove are the biggest two to carry... Agora is close to dead and arakNet requires one of the other ops to vouch for you. The best way to get in w/ arak is to find an arakbbS and post. Meet the peeps.

    (If you want to access arak @ 2o just sh00t me an email there and I'll give you the correct acs to see the conference.)

    sysOps always rush to add all the FTNs - but they're mostly dead aside from fsx and Dove. tqwNet is a great small net that is still active. MeaTLoTioN @ Quantum Wormhole runs it...

    I carry too many, but a list is;
    arakNet
    fsxNet - avon @ agency bbs
    Dove-Net - vertrauen bbs
    tqwNet - mL @ Quantum Wormhole
    sp00kNet - warmfuzzy/cr1mson
    WWiVNet - ... I forget
    RetroNet - I pull from Black Panther @ Castle Rock
    WeedNet - marissa @ https://sysopshub.com/weednet/
    MetroNet - Exodus???
    zer0net - jACK pHLASH @ d1st

    :P



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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Warpslide on Thursday, August 25, 2022 20:23:46
    You can also check out Fidonet, since you're in Kamloops that looks like it may be a job for Alan Ianson (21:4/106 & 1:153/0).

    Yes, if anyone in the net153 area is looking to join fidonet that can be done easily.

    I can be contacted by netmail at 1:153/0 or 757, 21:4/106 or email at agianson@gmail.com.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to paulie420 on Thursday, August 25, 2022 21:11:15
    Re: Re: Join Networks
    By: paulie420 to faeempress on Thu Aug 25 2022 07:14 pm

    sysOps always rush to add all the FTNs - but they're mostly dead aside from fsx and Dove. tqwNet is a great small net that is still active.

    Dove-Net isn't a FTN, it uses QWK.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to faeempress on Friday, August 26, 2022 14:01:00
    I used to have MicroNET on TLP. It was deathly quiet though... in the end I gave it away. You could pick it up from Deon over at 21:3/100 course you'll get a new address to go with it :)

    Spec


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  • From Nigel Reed@21:2/101 to faeempress on Friday, August 26, 2022 02:23:29
    On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 14:49:42 -0700
    "faeempress" <faeempress@21:2/125> wrote:

    I removed Dove-net from my BBS and have applied to Agoranet and
    Araknet. Are any of you guys running your own network? I'm
    looking for more to join.

    Agoranet, eh? *snicker*
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  • From acn@21:3/127.1 to paulie420 on Friday, August 26, 2022 10:53:00
    Am 25.08.22 schrieb paulie420@21:2/150 in FSX_GEN:

    Hallo,

    WeedNet - marissa @ https://sysopshub.com/weednet/

    As the OP wanted FTNs (and not QWK networks), just contact me if you
    want a FTN connection to WeedNet, as I'm the FTN hub there :)

    WeedNet is a small and mostly quiet network for friends of cannabis,
    and it has the appropriate network number 420 :)

    The infopack, together with the application form, is available in my
    BBS. On the web, see: https://box.imzadi.de/?page=002- files.xjs&dir=weednet_infopack

    Regards,
    Anna

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  • From Jared@21:3/173 to faeempress on Friday, August 26, 2022 09:29:33
    Re: Join Networks
    By: faeempress to All on Thu Aug 25 2022 14:49:42

    Are any of you guys running your own network? I'm
    looking for more to join.

    I've not mentioned it anywhere before now, but in the
    last couple of days I've set up AVeNet (Audio Visual
    Engineers Network)

    Initial echos:

    AVE_FILM Technical Film
    AVE_TV TV & Broadcast
    AVE_RADIO Broadcast Radio
    AVE_SOUND Venue Sound
    AVE_MIX Audio Recording & Mixing
    AVE_OB Live & OB
    AVE_COSTUME Costuming
    AVE_SETDESIGN Set Design
    AVE_GENERAL General Discussion
    AVE_SYSOP Sysops Only

    Avaialble via QWK from Jump Left BBS or as a FTN
    feed. Send me a netmail with all the usual bits if
    you want to join - I will finish putting the infopack
    together in the next few days.

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  • From faeempress@21:2/125 to Jared on Friday, August 26, 2022 06:26:46
    I've not mentioned it anywhere before now, but in the
    last couple of days I've set up AVeNet (Audio Visual
    Engineers Network)
    That's a pretty narrow audience, but I'll send you an application.



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  • From Irish_Monk@21:4/184 to All on Friday, August 26, 2022 10:10:35
    I thought about applying for Fidonet, but wow that's one huge

    I understand why there is so many. Im sure people like to run there own Message NETS. But in my opinion, and only being back in BBS'ing for about 2 months now, It seems if there was just like 1 or 2 NETS that everyone used or even just 1 main NET there would obviously be more activity in the one. Instead of having a bunch of "dead" or "slow" NETS. Im probably just stating the obvious, too bad there wasnt a way where everyone running a message NET could join together in a way to possibly improve everything as a whole.

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  • From faeempress@21:2/125 to All on Friday, August 26, 2022 11:14:27
    Irish_Monk Wrote in message:r
    I thought about applying for Fidonet, but wow that's one hugeI understand why there is so many. Im sure people like to run there own Message NETS. But in my opinion, and only being back in BBS'ing for about 2 months now, It seems if there was just like 1 or 2 NETS that everyone used or even just 1 main NET there would obviously be more activity in the one. Instead of having a bunch of "dead" or "slow" NETS. Im probably just stating the obvious, too bad there wasnt a way where everyone running a message NET could join together in a way to possibly improve everything as a whole. |10I|02rish_|10M|02onk.. A book misplaced is a book lost--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/07/15 (Windows/64) * Origin: WarpeD SocieTy (21:4/184)

    Personally I like to have choice, even if the nets are half dead.
    I also like how some are focused toward topics, ie. Spooknet and
    Retronet. I really wanted to join Retronet but the owner/nc is
    taking a break, so we'll see. Back in the 90's when I ran
    RealmsNet it was more for fun rather than to build something
    popular.

    Same with my current TribalNet, sure it's only on a couple BBBes,
    but it's part of the fun.
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  • From Nigel Reed@21:2/101 to All on Friday, August 26, 2022 14:18:01
    On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:29:33 +1000
    "Jared" <jared@21:3/173> wrote:

    Re: Join Networks
    By: faeempress to All on Thu Aug 25 2022 14:49:42

    Are any of you guys running your own network? I'm
    looking for more to join.

    I've not mentioned it anywhere before now, but in the
    last couple of days I've set up AVeNet (Audio Visual
    Engineers Network)

    Why? I can reel off a half a dozen specialty networks that get 0 or
    close to 0 traffic. Why do we need another dead network?
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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to faeempress on Friday, August 26, 2022 14:45:00
    faeempress wrote to All <=-

    Personally I like to have choice, even if the nets are half dead.

    Same here, if the nets are only "half dead". Problem is, they are "full dead". I recently stopped carrying 4-5 nets for that very reason.

    I also like how some are focused toward topics, ie. Spooknet and
    Retronet. I really wanted to join Retronet but the owner/nc is
    taking a break, so we'll see.

    That "break" is measured in years...

    Back in the 90's when I ran RealmsNet it was more for fun rather
    than to build something popular.

    Back in the 90's BBSes had users... ;-)

    Same with my current TribalNet, sure it's only on a couple BBBes,
    but it's part of the fun.

    Haven't heard of that one, what's it all about?


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  • From faeempress@21:2/125 to Gamgee on Friday, August 26, 2022 13:12:50
    I also like how some are focused toward topics, ie. Spooknet and
    Retronet. I really wanted to join Retronet but the owner/nc is
    taking a break, so we'll see.

    That "break" is measured in years...
    I wish the nc would transfer control to another hub until he decides to return.

    Same with my current TribalNet, sure it's only on a couple BBBes,
    but it's part of the fun.

    Haven't heard of that one, what's it all about?
    It's pretty generic to be honest. I wanted to revive my old network, but
    under a new name.



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  • From faeempress@21:2/125 to Nigel Reed on Friday, August 26, 2022 13:14:41
    I've not mentioned it anywhere before now, but in the
    last couple of days I've set up AVeNet (Audio Visual
    Engineers Network)

    Why? I can reel off a half a dozen specialty networks that get 0 or
    close to 0 traffic. Why do we need another dead network?
    There are lots of dead BBS's too. Do we need more? Heck no. But the more
    the merrier. Someone build AnimeNet, FishingNet, MSDOSNet. Heck, bring
    back MajorBBSNet (or whatever it was called).



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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to faeempress on Friday, August 26, 2022 18:04:29
    faeempress wrote to Nightfox <=-

    For the last 2 months it's only been a guy arguing about the moon
    landings being fake. That, and I prefer FTN over QWK.

    If FTN vs. QWK is the main reason you got rid of DoveNet, I feed it via FTN
    if you ever want to add it back.




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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Nightfox on Friday, August 26, 2022 18:06:22
    Nightfox wrote to paulie420 <=-

    sysOps always rush to add all the FTNs - but they're mostly dead aside from fsx and Dove. tqwNet is a great small net that is still active.

    Dove-Net isn't a FTN, it uses QWK.

    Unless you find a sysop, like me, who feeds it via FTN. :)




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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to paulie420 on Saturday, August 27, 2022 10:31:00
    On 08-25-22 19:14, paulie420 wrote to faeempress <=-

    sysOps always rush to add all the FTNs - but they're mostly dead aside from fsx and Dove. tqwNet is a great small net that is still active. MeaTLoTioN @ Quantum Wormhole runs it...

    I still have unexplained issues with tqwNet. Suddenly stopped working. Sessions work, packets get transferred, then things disappear into a black hole. But everything looks setup correctly.

    Areafix requests also get lost in the black hole. Rather confusing.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to faeempress on Saturday, August 27, 2022 10:42:00
    On 08-25-22 14:49, faeempress wrote to All <=-

    I removed Dove-net from my BBS and have applied to Agoranet and
    Araknet. Are any of you guys running your own network? I'm
    looking for more to join.

    I have VKRadio, which is all about hobbyists radio communications. While most users are hams, the subject matter is much broader. If it's a hobbyist venture and uses RF energy, it's most likely on topic. Besides ham radio, other areas I'd more than welcome discussion on include:

    CB radio
    Hacking with "licence free" low power devices.
    LoRa
    Long range wifi
    Scanning and shortwave listening
    Software defined radio (RTL-SDR devices are cheap and fun to play with) Technical aspects of low power FM broadcasting - equipment, antennas, audio processing
    GMRS (USA), FRS(USA)/PMR446(EU) and similar services.


    This list is not exhaustive!

    And I'm also the FTN hub for DeveloperNet and MusicalNet.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nightfox on Saturday, August 27, 2022 10:43:00
    On 08-25-22 21:11, Nightfox wrote to paulie420 <=-

    Dove-Net isn't a FTN, it uses QWK.

    I thought there was at least one gate to FTN.


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to faeempress on Saturday, August 27, 2022 10:30:00
    There are lots of dead BBS's too. Do we need more? Heck no. But the more the merrier. Someone build AnimeNet, FishingNet, MSDOSNet. Heck, bring

    I briefly hosted a net we called fishNET.. had nothing at all to do with fishing though ;)


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  • From faeempress@21:2/125 to All on Friday, August 26, 2022 19:46:39
    Spectre Wrote in message:r
    There are lots of dead BBS's too. Do we need more? Heck no. But the more fa> the merrier. Someone build AnimeNet, FishingNet, MSDOSNet. Heck, bring

    I briefly hosted a net we called fishNET.. had nothing at all to
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    Arrg false advertising lol. And where are all the doggoes on Fidonet.
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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Nightfox on Friday, August 26, 2022 21:37:01
    sysOps always rush to add all the FTNs - but they're mostly dead asid from fsx and Dove. tqwNet is a great small net that is still active.

    Dove-Net isn't a FTN, it uses QWK.

    Yer right - but you knew what I meant. :P



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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to acn on Friday, August 26, 2022 21:38:26
    WeedNet - marissa @ https://sysopshub.com/weednet/

    As the OP wanted FTNs (and not QWK networks), just contact me if you want a FTN connection to WeedNet, as I'm the FTN hub there :)

    And I got that wicked first address!! :P w00t w00t!



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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Vk3jed on Friday, August 26, 2022 21:39:27
    I still have unexplained issues with tqwNet. Suddenly stopped working. Sessions work, packets get transferred, then things disappear into a
    black hole. But everything looks setup correctly.


    I think I remember you posting there about issues - usually mL and deon can help iron issues out quickly, I've never had any with tqw at all. Sorry yer experiencing that - but have you asked those gents?



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  • From phigan@21:1/112 to All on Saturday, August 27, 2022 03:00:45
    I removed Dove-net from my BBS and have applied to Agoranet and

    I'd recommend Micronet:
    And tqwNet:

    What do you like about those networks?

    And faeempress, what didn't you like about Dove-net?

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  • From phigan@21:1/112 to All on Saturday, August 27, 2022 03:02:36
    For the last 2 months it's only been a guy arguing about the moon
    landings being fake. That, and I prefer FTN over QWK.

    Oops, asked the Q before seeing it was already answered. And my reply to that is, "Haha, oh." :)

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  • From phigan@21:1/112 to All on Saturday, August 27, 2022 03:08:37
    Retronet. I really wanted to join Retronet but the owner/nc is

    There's a "new" Retronet (Neo?), but people don't even respond to test messages! I had to log on to another BBS to check if my posts were making it.

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  • From sPINOZa aNARCHISt@21:1/116 to phigan on Saturday, August 27, 2022 11:14:50
    There's a "new" Retronet (Neo?), but people don't even respond to test messages! I had to log on to another BBS to check if my posts were
    making it.

    Not strange at all, your test message is brand new, it must at least be 20 years old before it gets attention!

    Bye!
    sPI!

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    * Origin: .+Sound&Demos+. - <sndgarden.bbsfreak.nl:*hidden*> (21:1/116)
  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Nigel Reed on Saturday, August 27, 2022 22:14:56
    Are any of you guys running your own network? I'm
    looking for more to join.

    I've not mentioned it anywhere before now, but in the
    last couple of days I've set up AVeNet (Audio Visual
    Engineers Network)

    Why? I can reel off a half a dozen specialty networks that get 0 or
    close to 0 traffic. Why do we need another dead network?
    --

    Seems pointless to me. Wouldn't it be better just to have a section added to an existing Net. An Audio Visual discussion section on Fidonet or fsxNet.

    You have to go where the people are, and the people are really on only one or two net it seems.

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  • From Irish_Monk@21:4/184 to faeempress on Saturday, August 27, 2022 08:15:16
    Personally I like to have choice, even if the nets are half dead.
    I also like how some are focused toward topics, ie. Spooknet and
    Retronet. I really wanted to join Retronet but the owner/nc is
    taking a break, so we'll see. Back in the 90's when I ran
    RealmsNet it was more for fun rather than to build something
    popular.

    I understand your point fully. I was just throwing something out there. I didnt think it would ever really happen. I know alot of people, this is their hobby, and making your own BBS or NET makes it fun. and then you can have the challenges of growing it yourself if you want to.

    Honostly , I have alot of respect and appreciation for what everyone does in this community and for the most part they do it absolutely free. Building BBS software, running NETS, drawing Ansi, and everything else. I just got back into the hobby and Ive setup a BBS and some NETS (right now for personal use) and of course Ive had alot of questions and its amazing the response and support you get.

    So hopefully, My original post did not dis respect anyone. Thats why I didnt name names of NETS, for one I dont even know enough right now which ones are more active or not, and Im sure someone who is taking the time to provide a free service we get to use doesnt want to hear negative comments.

    Thanks for everything,

    |10I|02rish_|10M|02onk

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    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/07/15 (Windows/64)
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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110.1 to phigan on Saturday, August 27, 2022 08:23:18
    *** Quoting phigan from a message to All ***

    I'd recommend Micronet:
    And tqwNet:

    What do you like about those networks?

    I like Micronet because there's a good group of guys there. Most (but not all) of which can be found elsewhere, so you get some good discussion
    now & then. The ZC there is good at cracking the whip at the ruffians
    so you don't get endless unencumbered trolling like you do elsewhere. That's something I also appreciate here at fsxNet.

    tqwNet tends to be quieter but the discussions there can be quite valuable on certain (more technical) topics like docker & infosec.

    And faeempress, what didn't you like about Dove-net?

    I dropped that network as well. See the previous paragraph re: ruffians, that and also Telegard doesn't support QWK networking (though I did have an FTN feed from Deon for a short while).


    Jay

    ... If only I could be respected without having to be respectable

    --- Telegard v3.09.g2-sp4/mL
    * Origin: Northern Realms | tg.nrbbs.net | 289-424-5180 (21:3/110.1)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to boraxman on Saturday, August 27, 2022 07:14:00
    boraxman wrote to Nigel Reed <=-

    > > I've not mentioned it anywhere before now, but in the
    > > last couple of days I've set up AVeNet (Audio Visual
    > > Engineers Network)

    Why? I can reel off a half a dozen specialty networks that get 0 or
    close to 0 traffic. Why do we need another dead network?

    Seems pointless to me. Wouldn't it be better just to have a
    section added to an existing Net. An Audio Visual discussion
    section on Fidonet or fsxNet.

    Yup.

    You have to go where the people are, and the people are really on
    only one or two net it seems.

    Agreed. I'd say the only nets with any real activity now are: DoveNet, FidoNet, FSXNet, and MicroNet. That's it. I've been pruning networks recently for that very reason, and am about to remove another today.



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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110.1 to boraxman on Saturday, August 27, 2022 08:49:50
    *** Quoting boraxman from a message to Nigel Reed ***

    Seems pointless to me. Wouldn't it be better just to have a section
    added to an existing Net. An Audio Visual discussion section on
    Fidonet or fsxNet.

    You have to go where the people are, and the people are really on
    only one or two net it seems.

    Yeah, agreed. Adding another echo to an existing network seems to make more sense. But the whole idea of "if you build it, they will come" doesn't seem to apply to FTNs. Just because you create an echo (or a net) doesn't mean people will actually use it. Avon added some new echos to fsxNet not long
    ago (after being asked to create them) and I believe he was asking for feedback as to whether they should be cut due to low/no traffic.

    Someone awhile ago was floating the idea of either gating some networks together into one network (or merging everything into one zone), I can't
    quite remember the details.

    I think what these network really need is a decent way of accessing them via mobile. Whether that's a webapp (like WebJAM), Synchronet's web interface or an actual native app for both iOS & Android, that could really make them more accessible to a wider audience.

    I'm not a programmer by any stretch of the imagination, but all I know is trying to tap out a message on an iPhone via ftelnet was a test of
    patience to say the least.


    Jay

    ... Logic and practical information do not seem to apply here

    --- Telegard v3.09.g2-sp4/mL
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to boraxman on Saturday, August 27, 2022 22:32:00
    Seems pointless to me. Wouldn't it be better just to have a section added to an existing Net. An Audio Visual discussion section on Fidonet or fsxNet.

    You'll probably achieve a better sNr doing it on its own rather than by tieing it into someone elses network.


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to phigan on Saturday, August 27, 2022 09:13:19
    phigan wrote to All <=-

    Retronet. I really wanted to join Retronet but the owner/nc is

    There's a "new" Retronet (Neo?), but people don't even respond to test messages! I had to log on to another BBS to check if my posts were
    making it.

    Maybe your test messages are not getting to the whole network. I carry Retronet and have not seen any traffic in it for a few weeks. Before then, there was at least traffic in the ads echo.


    ... The number you have dailed...Nine-one-one...has been changed.
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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Vk3jed on Saturday, August 27, 2022 09:13:45
    Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox <=-

    On 08-25-22 21:11, Nightfox wrote to paulie420 <=-

    Dove-Net isn't a FTN, it uses QWK.

    I thought there was at least one gate to FTN.

    Correct, that'd be me. I think there may be one other one also.



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  • From Weatherman@21:1/132 to Paulie420 on Saturday, August 27, 2022 12:52:09

    WWiVNet - ... I forget

    That would be me.. :)

    - Mark
       
    --- WWIVToss v.1.52
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  • From Exodus@21:4/177.1 to Faeempress on Saturday, August 27, 2022 15:04:49
    I removed Dove-net from my BBS and have applied to Agoranet and
    Araknet. Are any of you guys running your own network? I'm
    looking for more to join.
    --


    MetroNet ... since 1994. http://www.rgbbs.info

    ... Microsoft: Making it all. Make sense?

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: AlcoholidayBBS.com / Est. 1995 / Columbia, SC (21:4/177.1)
  • From Exodus@21:4/177.1 to Paulie420 on Saturday, August 27, 2022 15:07:33
    MetroNet - Exodus???


    Yeah?

    ... Never assume conspiracy when stupidity will explain it.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: AlcoholidayBBS.com / Est. 1995 / Columbia, SC (21:4/177.1)
  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Warpslide on Sunday, August 28, 2022 21:12:59
    Yeah, agreed. Adding another echo to an existing network seems to make more sense. But the whole idea of "if you build it, they will come" doesn't seem to apply to FTNs. Just because you create an echo (or a net) doesn't mean people will actually use it. Avon added some new
    echos to fsxNet not long ago (after being asked to create them) and I believe he was asking for feedback as to whether they should be cut due to low/no traffic.

    Someone awhile ago was floating the idea of either gating some networks together into one network (or merging everything into one zone), I can't quite remember the details.

    I think what these network really need is a decent way of accessing them via mobile. Whether that's a webapp (like WebJAM), Synchronet's web interface or an actual native app for both iOS & Android, that could really make them more accessible to a wider audience.

    I'm not a programmer by any stretch of the imagination, but all I know
    is trying to tap out a message on an iPhone via ftelnet was a test of patience to say the least.


    Jay

    Agree about the mobile part. I would be tempted to do something myself, but mobile programming is not my specialty. I've never done it. Really, you need a QWK reader, kind of like MultiMail for mobile, and a way to download the packet without having to go through telnet/SSH.

    Personally, if you ask me, the difficulty accessing this by mobile is to me a weakness of the mobile platform rather than the BBS system (ie, mobiles just aren't suitable for this kind of thing).

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Spectre on Sunday, August 28, 2022 21:16:18
    Seems pointless to me. Wouldn't it be better just to have a section to an existing Net. An Audio Visual discussion section on Fidonet or fsxNet.

    You'll probably achieve a better sNr doing it on its own rather than by tieing it into someone elses network.



    I don't know. From my point of view, another 'net is a pain because I have to log into all these different BBS's to access them. I as habit log into two, so if those aren't going to connect, I'm not going to see it.

    A higher signal to noise ratio may be what is achieved, but then, there won't be much signal in the first place. Piggybacking it onto a network which already has many BBS participants and traffic seems a better way to get people in. You'll get more noise, sure, but you'll get more discussion in amongst that. A forum with pure signal and no noise isn't that great if there are only one or to postings a week.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Boraxman@21:3/136 to Gamgee on Sunday, August 28, 2022 19:25:00
    Gamgee wrote to boraxman <=-

    boraxman wrote to Nigel Reed <=-

    > > I've not mentioned it anywhere before now, but in the
    > > last couple of days I've set up AVeNet (Audio Visual
    > > Engineers Network)

    Why? I can reel off a half a dozen specialty networks that get 0 or
    close to 0 traffic. Why do we need another dead network?

    Seems pointless to me. Wouldn't it be better just to have a
    section added to an existing Net. An Audio Visual discussion
    section on Fidonet or fsxNet.

    Yup.

    You have to go where the people are, and the people are really on
    only one or two net it seems.

    Agreed. I'd say the only nets with any real activity now are:
    DoveNet, FidoNet, FSXNet, and MicroNet. That's it. I've been pruning networks recently for that very reason, and am about to remove another today.

    I mostly look at FSXNet and DoveNet, and a little bit at Fidonet. FSXNet is the one where it would be an issue if it dissapeared. Dovenet seems to be, well, quite narrow. Micronet I should check out.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to boraxman on Sunday, August 28, 2022 08:09:00
    Hello boraxman!

    ** On Saturday 27.08.22 - 22:14, boraxman wrote to Nigel Reed:

    Seems pointless to me. Wouldn't it be better just to have
    a section added to an existing Net. An Audio Visual
    discussion section on Fidonet or fsxNet.

    AUDIO and MUSIC exist on the traditional Fidonet. They are
    ready for participation and content any time!


    You have to go where the people are, and the people are
    really on only one or two net it seems.

    And "where the people are" probably includes mobile devices.

    :/

    Telegram is a good entry point:

    AUDIO == https://t.me/+TpEnF8lKjbn1rV-N
    MUSIC == https://t.me/+UtypMiJ0S0vQnu9t

    These are "the" actual Fidonet echos accessible to "all" mobile
    devices and OSes.


    --- OpenXP 5.0.51
    * Origin: (} Pointy McPointFace (21:4/106.21)
  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to boraxman on Sunday, August 28, 2022 08:30:00
    Hello boraxman!

    ** On Sunday 28.08.22 - 21:12, boraxman wrote to Warpslide:

    Personally, if you ask me, the difficulty accessing this by
    mobile is to me a weakness of the mobile platform rather
    than the BBS system (ie, mobiles just aren't suitable for
    this kind of thing).

    In lieu of a customated mobile app for Fidonet, Stas
    Mishchenkov of "Fido by Telegram BBS, Simferopol Cr 2:460/256"
    has utilized the Telegram API to provide access to Fidonet
    echos to mobile device users.

    It operates within some contraints of Telegram and uses the
    concept of "chat" replies, but the whole experience is still
    quite good.

    Getting started is just THREE steps:

    [1] install Telegram,
    [2] add the @Fido2telebot service,
    [3] send %list and %help to @Fido2telebot.

    Here are some direct links to some Fidonet echos:

    ASIAN_LINK = https://t.me/+TlC5K7EkqxOR8E4u
    AUDIO = https://t.me/+TpEnF8lKjbn1rV-N
    CHAT = https://t.me/+Suaubh6lB15XdkGt
    COFFEE_KLATSCH = https://t.me/+R-fzkUrjKxsKKTw7
    FIDOTEST = https://t.me/+RPUcUaNBYCi2yqCM
    MOVIES = https://t.me/+Vr2aQGPP8x2Ntw7r
    MUSIC = https://t.me/+UtypMiJ0S0vQnu9t
    TAGLINES = https://t.me/+UT_ZPmti4QZoGGAc

    Those are pretty good to get one's feet wet and get talking.

    --- OpenXP 5.0.51
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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to boraxman on Sunday, August 28, 2022 09:28:40
    A higher signal to noise ratio may be what is achieved, but then, there won't be much signal in the first place. Piggybacking it onto a
    network which already has many BBS participants and traffic seems a
    better way to get people in. You'll get more noise, sure, but you'll
    get more discussion in amongst that. A forum with pure signal and no noise isn't that great if there are only one or to postings a week.

    There are (at least) two users on Fidonet who have stated specifically,
    more than once, that BBSing is only for trolling and that is the only
    reason they are on FIDO. One is a sysop, and I suspect strongly that the
    other is actually that same sysop posing as someone else.

    If you piggyback onto another network, you have to put up with their rules.
    In FIDO, it is almost impossible to get users removed from an echo that
    you moderate. They could try Micronet or this one, but then there might be a rule or two that is missing or that they want to be more lax about, but since it is not their network they may not have much say in that, depending on what their agreement is with the NC.



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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Warpslide on Sunday, August 28, 2022 16:30:14
    Re: Re: Join Networks
    By: Warpslide to faeempress on Thu Aug 25 2022 07:20 pm

    *** Quoting faeempress from a message to All ***

    I removed Dove-net from my BBS and have applied to Agoranet and Araknet. Are any of you guys running your own network?

    I'm looking for more to join.

    I'd recommend Micronet:
    https://www.minftn.net/


    I have the suspicion that if he disliked DoveNET, he will also dislike MIcronet :-)

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Spectre on Sunday, August 28, 2022 16:33:13
    Re: Re: Join Networks
    By: Spectre to faeempress on Fri Aug 26 2022 02:01 pm

    I used to have MicroNET on TLP. It was deathly quiet though... in the end I gave it away. You could pick it up from Deon over at 21:3/100 course you'll get a new address to go with it :)

    Spec


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
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    It is not FSXNET or DoveNET, but Micronet is far from deadly quiet. It has regular posters and everything.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Ogg on Sunday, August 28, 2022 16:44:05
    Re: Join Networks
    By: Ogg to boraxman on Sun Aug 28 2022 08:09 am

    Telegram is a good entry point:

    Not really.

    In my opinoon, the RPG Literature echo in Fido gets its conversation flow mangled by Telegram posters. Telegram posters have this tendency to send many small messages in a row.

    "I don't like Bakker, so I think I'll past on your suggestion for reading prince of Nothing"

    "But that √Ārelor book sounds promising."

    "Thanks for the suggestion."

    Then there is the fact some people try to post Telegram messages with content that is not compatible with the regular Telnet platforms.

    So while I agree Telegram gateways are a fun experiment, they are far from being a "good" entrypoint.

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  • From faeempress@21:2/125 to All on Sunday, August 28, 2022 15:31:31
    Arelor Wrote in message:r
    Re: Re: Join Networks By: Warpslide to faeempress on Thu Aug 25 2022 07:20 pm > *** Quoting faeempress from a message to All *** > > fa> I removed Dove-net from my BBS and have applied to Agoranet and > fa> Araknet. Are any of you guys running your own network? > > fa> I'm looking for more to join. > > I'd recommend Micronet: > https://www.minftn.net/ > I have the suspicion that if he disliked DoveNET, he will also dislike MIcronet:-)--gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken--- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)

    It's "she", not "he". I've already joined Micronet, I'm just
    waiting for my node #.
    --


    ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to paulie420 on Monday, August 29, 2022 16:25:00
    On 08-26-22 21:39, paulie420 wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I still have unexplained issues with tqwNet. Suddenly stopped working. Sessions work, packets get transferred, then things disappear into a
    black hole. But everything looks setup correctly.


    I think I remember you posting there about issues - usually mL and deon can help iron issues out quickly, I've never had any with tqw at all. Sorry yer experiencing that - but have you asked those gents?

    Has been ages, but I did, I think we ended up with mutual head scratching. The symptoms are rather mysterious - everything appears to be working, but no mail ends up in my messagebase (and I can't see any mismatch between areatags and my AREAS.BBS file), or my messagebase config.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Blue White on Monday, August 29, 2022 16:27:00
    On 08-27-22 09:13, Blue White wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I thought there was at least one gate to FTN.

    Correct, that'd be me. I think there may be one other one also.

    Yeah nice to know it's being gated. I joined via QWK, found out about your FTN gate later, but if it ain't broke... :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Monday, August 29, 2022 16:38:00
    On 08-27-22 10:30, Spectre wrote to faeempress <=-

    I briefly hosted a net we called fishNET.. had nothing at all to do
    with fishing though ;)

    Nice legs though. ;)


    ... My hard disk is full! Maybe I'll try this message section thing.
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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Monday, August 29, 2022 16:42:00
    On 08-27-22 22:32, Spectre wrote to boraxman <=-

    Seems pointless to me. Wouldn't it be better just to have a section added to an existing Net. An Audio Visual discussion section on Fidonet or fsxNet.

    You'll probably achieve a better sNr doing it on its own rather than by tieing it into someone elses network.

    I would also be open to incorporating it into VKRadio, by expanding its scope from communications to add broadcasting/technical entertainment related topics.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Blue White on Monday, August 29, 2022 16:42:00
    On 08-27-22 09:13, Blue White wrote to phigan <=-

    Maybe your test messages are not getting to the whole network. I carry Retronet and have not seen any traffic in it for a few weeks. Before then, there was at least traffic in the ads echo.

    Same here, hearing crickets these days, not even ads or test messages. :(


    ... Being seven points behind gives you a definite psychological advantage.
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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to boraxman on Monday, August 29, 2022 16:48:00
    On 08-28-22 21:12, boraxman wrote to Warpslide <=-

    Agree about the mobile part. I would be tempted to do something
    myself, but mobile programming is not my specialty. I've never done
    it. Really, you need a QWK reader, kind of like MultiMail for mobile,
    and a way to download the packet without having to go through
    telnet/SSH.

    For Synchronet and Mystic BBSs (others?), you could use FTP to transfer messages. Other BBSs would require some sort of "expect" type scripting engine to communicate with the BBS to initiate Zmodem downloads and uploads over a telnet/SSH session.

    Personally, if you ask me, the difficulty accessing this by mobile is
    to me a weakness of the mobile platform rather than the BBS system (ie, mobiles just aren't suitable for this kind of thing).

    It's more a lack of suitable mobile clients. There are a couple of Android "point" systems, but I feel using FTN based points is the wrong technology base for a mobile user. QWK/Bluewave is a more appropriate technology (among the existing ones) to me.

    Of course, you could use a web based interface, but I would like something that's not running interactively over the network - I do venture into areas without reliable mobile coverage, where grabbing a QWK packet while passing a cell tower is practical, staying on and reading mail continuously over the network is not.


    ... The world looks as if it has been left in the custody of trolls.
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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to boraxman on Monday, August 29, 2022 16:50:00
    On 08-28-22 21:16, boraxman wrote to Spectre <=-

    I don't know. From my point of view, another 'net is a pain because I have to log into all these different BBS's to access them. I as habit
    log into two, so if those aren't going to connect, I'm not going to see it.

    I just join the nets I want and use my Synchronet BBS to act as an aggregator for messaging. While the board is primarily for my purposes, I am more than open to users requesting nets, I'm open to carrying more nets, both FTN and
    WK.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Arelor on Monday, August 29, 2022 08:57:00
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Sunday 28.08.22 - 16:44, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    In my opinoon, the RPG Literature echo in Fido gets its
    conversation flow mangled by Telegram posters. Telegram
    posters have this tendency to send many small messages in a
    row.

    Sharon is a newbie, but she doesn't quite understand the
    concept of using R)eply, for one thing. And FTNside has plenty
    its own single line or and even single word responses. ;)

    Then there is the fact some people try to post Telegram
    messages with content that is not compatible with the
    regular Telnet platforms.

    Like I said.. it's an entry point. When the connections/
    relationships are established, it could be possible to
    introduce newbies to nntp apps or something.

    Wrt not compatible, I see plenty of examples in FTN using ansi
    or esc-type sequences which doesn't bode well with other users.
    ;)


    So while I agree Telegram gateways are a fun experiment,
    they are far from being a "good" entrypoint.

    It *is* good. The alternatives are not working nearly as well;
    hard to set up, do not sync devices, etc.

    Even if one uses the Telegram connection just to READ a message
    (sync'd across devices), that's far more handy than relying on
    a single device to *just* do echomail.

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110.1 to Vk3jed on Monday, August 29, 2022 09:00:44
    *** Quoting Vk3jed from a message to Blue White ***

    Maybe your test messages are not getting to the whole network. I carry Retronet and have not seen any traffic in it for a few weeks. Before then, there was at least traffic in the ads echo.

    Same here, hearing crickets these days, not even ads or test
    messages. :(

    I dropped Retronet back in June via Netmail & Email, never heard anything
    from Carlos. He still tries polling my system hourly even though I don't
    have it setup anymore...

    Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 76516 packets, 26M bytes)
    pkts bytes target prot opt in out source Destination
    104 5408 REJECT all -- * * 75.67.168.60 0.0.0.0/0

    Same with Whispernet:

    316 18960 REJECT all -- * * 66.175.233.147 0.0.0.0/0


    Jay

    ... The older you get, the more important is is not to act your age

    --- Telegard v3.09.g2-sp4/mL
    * Origin: Northern Realms | tg.nrbbs.net | 289-424-5180 (21:3/110.1)
  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Ogg on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 01:07:01

    In lieu of a customated mobile app for Fidonet, Stas
    Mishchenkov of "Fido by Telegram BBS, Simferopol Cr 2:460/256"
    has utilized the Telegram API to provide access to Fidonet
    echos to mobile device users.

    It operates within some contraints of Telegram and uses the
    concept of "chat" replies, but the whole experience is still
    quite good.

    Getting started is just THREE steps:

    [1] install Telegram,
    [2] add the @Fido2telebot service,
    [3] send %list and %help to @Fido2telebot.

    Here are some direct links to some Fidonet echos:

    ASIAN_LINK = https://t.me/+TlC5K7EkqxOR8E4u
    AUDIO = https://t.me/+TpEnF8lKjbn1rV-N
    CHAT = https://t.me/+Suaubh6lB15XdkGt
    COFFEE_KLATSCH = https://t.me/+R-fzkUrjKxsKKTw7
    FIDOTEST = https://t.me/+RPUcUaNBYCi2yqCM
    MOVIES = https://t.me/+Vr2aQGPP8x2Ntw7r
    MUSIC = https://t.me/+UtypMiJ0S0vQnu9t
    TAGLINES = https://t.me/+UT_ZPmti4QZoGGAc

    Those are pretty good to get one's feet wet and get talking.


    That sees pretty neat, although I haven't tried it and won't myself, as I'm happy personally with accessing it via SSH. I don't like to use mobile to write long replies, though some seem to have made it the norm for themselves.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Blue White on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 01:22:50

    If you piggyback onto another network, you have to put up with their rules. In FIDO, it is almost impossible to get users removed from an
    echo that you moderate. They could try Micronet or this one, but then there might be a rule or two that is missing or that they want to be
    more lax about, but since it is not their network they may not have much say in that, depending on what their agreement is with the NC.

    I suspect the name of that troll would not come as a surprise to me. Nevertheless, it is a tradeoff between a whole other net, and the difficulties of working with an existing one. From a users POV, being somewhat naive, it seems a bit pointless and less convenient.

    If one wants to start a 'net, why not just run the BBS for that purpose? It's not like we can't call BBS's outside of our own region anymore. Set up a BBS for that topic, and just have the message forums local. You'll have complete control.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 01:36:31

    Agree about the mobile part. I would be tempted to do something myself, but mobile programming is not my specialty. I've never done it. Really, you need a QWK reader, kind of like MultiMail for mobile and a way to download the packet without having to go through telnet/SSH.

    For Synchronet and Mystic BBSs (others?), you could use FTP to transfer messages. Other BBSs would require some sort of "expect" type scripting engine to communicate with the BBS to initiate Zmodem downloads and uploads over a telnet/SSH session.

    Personally, if you ask me, the difficulty accessing this by mobile is to me a weakness of the mobile platform rather than the BBS system (i mobiles just aren't suitable for this kind of thing).

    It's more a lack of suitable mobile clients. There are a couple of Android "point" systems, but I feel using FTN based points is the wrong technology base for a mobile user. QWK/Bluewave is a more appropriate technology (among the existing ones) to me.

    Of course, you could use a web based interface, but I would like
    something that's not running interactively over the network - I do
    venture into areas without reliable mobile coverage, where grabbing a
    QWK packet while passing a cell tower is practical, staying on and
    reading mail continuously over the network is not.



    Overall I don't think it is worthwhile. Mobiles are just the wrong format for this time of connectivity. The whole point of a BBS, and of these message networks is correspondence and being at a destination, not simple chat. The mobile phone tends to make its users prefer shorter "chat style" communication which I think isn't really the point here. While it would be good to have a nice SSH client that one can use easily, having access to say, fsxNet over mobile is probably in reality not as great an idea as it may first seem to be.

    The whole "spirit" is lost when its converted to an instant messaging type of thing, and the advantages and uniqueness disappear. The more I think about it, the more I think the lack of options for mobile isn't really a problem. Is it really a good idea to turn this "old style" method of communication into a copy of what already exists? Maybe its better that its not relevant to modern forms. But then, maybe people here who already use BBS's wish for mobile options, for themselves?

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 01:39:40
    I don't know. From my point of view, another 'net is a pain because have to log into all these different BBS's to access them. I as habi log into two, so if those aren't going to connect, I'm not going to s it.

    I just join the nets I want and use my Synchronet BBS to act as an aggregator for messaging. While the board is primarily for my purposes,
    I am more than open to users requesting nets, I'm open to carrying more nets, both FTN and WK.



    I just try to find that one BBS in Australia which has the nets I want, and use that. There is one, but it doesn't carry all the fsxNet message areas, hence why I come to Agency BBS as well. Can't be bothered setting up my own board, nor can I be bothered doing a round-robin call of several boards daily to cover all the 'nets.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to boraxman on Monday, August 29, 2022 08:59:00
    boraxman wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Overall I don't think it is worthwhile. Mobiles are just the
    wrong format for this time of connectivity. The whole point of a
    BBS, and of these message networks is correspondence and being at
    a destination, not simple chat. The mobile phone tends to make
    its users prefer shorter "chat style" communication which I think
    isn't really the point here. While it would be good to have a
    nice SSH client that one can use easily, having access to say,
    fsxNet over mobile is probably in reality not as great an idea as
    it may first seem to be.

    The whole "spirit" is lost when its converted to an instant
    messaging type of thing, and the advantages and uniqueness
    disappear. The more I think about it, the more I think the lack
    of options for mobile isn't really a problem. Is it really a
    good idea to turn this "old style" method of communication into a
    copy of what already exists? Maybe its better that its not
    relevant to modern forms. But then, maybe people here who
    already use BBS's wish for mobile options, for themselves?

    I agree completely with this post! I think it is definitely *NOT* a
    good idea to try and do BBS/echomail with a mobile device, and hope
    efforts to make it work are discouraged.



    ... Gone crazy, be back later, please leave message.
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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Ogg on Monday, August 29, 2022 09:16:00
    Ogg wrote to Arelor <=-

    ** On Sunday 28.08.22 - 16:44, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    In my opinoon, the RPG Literature echo in Fido gets its
    conversation flow mangled by Telegram posters. Telegram
    posters have this tendency to send many small messages in a
    row.

    Yes, and ALWAYS with ZERO context/quoting.

    Sharon is a newbie, but she doesn't quite understand the
    concept of using R)eply, for one thing. And FTNside has plenty
    its own single line or and even single word responses. ;)

    She's not a newbie. Why doesn't somebody take the time to explain to
    her the importance of using R)eply?

    Wrt not compatible, I see plenty of examples in FTN using ansi
    or esc-type sequences which doesn't bode well with other users.

    I'd say that is "occasional", not "plenty".

    So while I agree Telegram gateways are a fun experiment,
    they are far from being a "good" entrypoint.

    It *is* good. The alternatives are not working nearly as well;
    hard to set up, do not sync devices, etc.

    Not sure how you can say it's "good". One needs only to look at that
    echo mentioned above (RPG Lit) to see what a mess it creates.


    ... Daddy, what does "now formatting drive C:" mean?
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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Arelor on Monday, August 29, 2022 10:06:56
    I'd recommend Micronet:
    https://www.minftn.net/


    I have the suspicion that if he disliked DoveNET, he will also dislike MIcronet :-)

    I normally wouldn't think that, but the stated reason for leaving DoveNet
    would be the one reason I would also suspect as you do. :) Although I
    have not noticed any fake moon landing discussion there, the discussee is there.


    ... What is mind? No matter! What is matter? Never mind! - Homer S.
    --- MultiMail/DOS
    * Origin: possumso.fsxnet.nz * SSH:2122/telnet:24/ftelnet:80 (21:4/134)
  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Arelor on Monday, August 29, 2022 10:08:50
    In my opinoon, the RPG Literature echo in Fido gets its conversation
    flow mangled by Telegram posters. Telegram posters have this tendency
    to send many small messages in a row.

    They also don't seem to quote the original post, which usually leaves me wondering what they are talking about. Maybe they are unable to quote, or don't realize they are responding to a whole group vs. one person?


    ... How do you tell when you're out of invisible ink?
    --- MultiMail/DOS
    * Origin: possumso.fsxnet.nz * SSH:2122/telnet:24/ftelnet:80 (21:4/134)
  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Vk3jed on Monday, August 29, 2022 10:15:06
    Vk3jed wrote to paulie420 <=-

    Has been ages, but I did, I think we ended up with mutual head
    scratching. The symptoms are rather mysterious - everything appears to
    be working, but no mail ends up in my messagebase (and I can't see any mismatch between areatags and my AREAS.BBS file), or my messagebase config.

    Do you have the BADAREA set up in your sbbsecho AREAS.BBS file? If the messages are not going there, that would likely rule out a tag issue.
    Having BADAREA set up very recently helped me track down an issue (I had the SBBS internal tag and the FTN tag reversed!).

    If you have one set up, and they are not going there, other culprits that spring to mind are a mismatch between the AREAS.BBS file and your SCFG area tags (which it sounds like you've already checked), or an issue with the compression used on the packets. It sounds like it looks like they are decompressing properly, though.



    ... Spelling is a sober man's game
    --- MultiMail/DOS
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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Vk3jed on Monday, August 29, 2022 09:05:55
    Has been ages, but I did, I think we ended up with mutual head
    scratching. The symptoms are rather mysterious - everything appears to
    be working, but no mail ends up in my messagebase (and I can't see any mismatch between areatags and my AREAS.BBS file), or my messagebase config.

    This is a stupid basic question, but have you checked /mystic/echomail/out/tqwnet for .bsy's? Normally I just check /mystic/semaphore but sometimes there can also be network specific .bsy files in that out folder.

    I'm sure its not that, but just a thought. :P



    |07p|15AULIE|1142|07o
    |08.........

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/07/15 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: 2o fOr beeRS bbs>>>20ForBeers.com:1337 (21:2/150)
  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Blue White on Monday, August 29, 2022 10:28:30
    Re: Re: Join Networks
    By: Blue White to Nightfox on Fri Aug 26 2022 06:06 pm

    Dove-Net isn't a FTN, it uses QWK.

    Unless you find a sysop, like me, who feeds it via FTN. :)

    Yes, but at its root, Dove-Net is provided as QWK (the host BBS being Vertrauen), and the FTN technology is mainly used to provide a FTN feed to those who want it that way. :)

    Nightfox
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Vk3jed on Monday, August 29, 2022 10:29:03
    Re: Re: Join Networks
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sat Aug 27 2022 10:43 am

    Dove-Net isn't a FTN, it uses QWK.

    I thought there was at least one gate to FTN.

    I think there is, but as far as I know, the Dove-Net host BBS (Vertrauen) only provides it via QWK.

    Nightfox
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to boraxman on Monday, August 29, 2022 10:36:56
    Re: Re: Join Networks
    By: boraxman to Nigel Reed on Sat Aug 27 2022 10:14 pm

    You have to go where the people are, and the people are really on only one or two net it seems.

    How long has FSXNet been around? I seem to remember adding FSXnet just a few years ago, and when I added it, I thought FSXnet was fairly new. It seems FSXNet was able to become fairly popular for a newer message network.

    Nightfox
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  • From Irish_Monk@21:4/184 to boraxman on Monday, August 29, 2022 14:27:48
    If one wants to start a 'net, why not just run the BBS for that purpose? It's not like we can't call BBS's outside of our own region anymore.
    Set up a BBS for that topic, and just have the message forums local. You'll have complete control.

    Good Point! A big reason for NETS back in the day was most likely so you could still talk to people that were not in your area, but not pay long distance phone calls and just call the local BBS part of that NET.

    |10I|02rish_|10M|02onk

    ... Enter any 12-digit prime number to continue.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/07/15 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: WarpeD SocieTy (21:4/184)
  • From Irish_Monk@21:4/184 to Blue White on Monday, August 29, 2022 14:47:13
    If FTN vs. QWK is the main reason you got rid of DoveNet, I feed it via FTN if you ever want to add it back.

    Where can I get the Application for DoveNET?

    |10I|02rish_|10M|02onk

    ... There are three kinds of people: Those who can count, and those who can't

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/07/15 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: WarpeD SocieTy (21:4/184)
  • From fusion@21:1/616 to boraxman on Monday, August 29, 2022 15:48:15
    On 30 Aug 2022, boraxman said the following...

    I just try to find that one BBS in Australia which has the nets I want, and use that. There is one, but it doesn't carry all the fsxNet message areas, hence why I come to Agency BBS as well. Can't be bothered
    setting up my own board, nor can I be bothered doing a round-robin call
    of several boards daily to cover all the 'nets.

    speaking of which.. i still need to add the new fsxnet boards.. but i've
    waited long enough i heard some may be removed again?

    unfortunately i'm also one of those people that might leave out a few subs. either because they are dead, dead+sub advert spam (fidogazette, ham radio, etc that just post news are examples) but i'm not against adding stuff people want..

    maybe ask for them to be added?

    ... Nine times out of ten the statisticians are wrong

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/25 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: cold fusion - cfbbs.net - grand rapids, mi (21:1/616)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Irish_Monk on Monday, August 29, 2022 14:45:00
    Irish_Monk wrote to Blue White <=-

    Where can I get the Application for DoveNET?

    You don't even need one.

    Look here: http://wiki.synchro.net/network:dove-net

    Down near the bottom of that page is a link for instructions on joining;
    it's pretty easy.



    ... So easy, a child could do it. Child sold separately.
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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110.1 to Nightfox on Monday, August 29, 2022 15:53:32
    *** Quoting Nightfox from a message to boraxman ***

    How long has FSXNet been around? I seem to remember adding FSXnet
    just a few years ago, and when I added it, I thought FSXnet was
    fairly new. It seems FSXNet was able to become fairly popular for a
    newer message network.

    From HISTORY.TXT:

    2015-11-11
    Updated - fsxNet now using Zone 21 due to a clash with another Othernet :) Added - Node 102 - Error 404 BBS (USA) - Welcome Todd Zieman

    2015-11-08
    Added - Node 101 - Agency BBS (NZ)
    Added - Node 100 - fsxNet HUB (NZ) - fsxNet is born using Zone 18


    It looks like fsxNet will be seven years old this November.


    Jay

    ... I don't think it's any less important for not being terribly important

    --- Telegard v3.09.g2-sp4/mL
    * Origin: Northern Realms | tg.nrbbs.net | 289-424-5180 (21:3/110.1)
  • From Warpslide@21:3/110.1 to Irish_Monk on Monday, August 29, 2022 16:00:48
    *** Quoting Irish_Monk from a message to Blue White ***

    Where can I get the Application for DoveNET?

    That's the cool thing with DOVE-Net, since it's quick, you just sign yourself up and add the QWK conferences.

    -!- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/07/15 (Windows/64)

    Since you're using Mystic, start here:

    http://wiki.synchro.net/howto:dove-net

    Once you have your QWK account setup on Vertrauen, then follow these instructions:

    http://wiki.synchro.net/howto:dove-net-for-mystic


    Jay

    ... A fool must now and then be right by chance

    --- Telegard v3.09.g2-sp4/mL
    * Origin: Northern Realms | tg.nrbbs.net | 289-424-5180 (21:3/110.1)
  • From fusion@21:1/616 to Nightfox on Monday, August 29, 2022 16:01:55
    On 29 Aug 2022, Nightfox said the following...

    How long has FSXNet been around? I seem to remember adding FSXnet just
    a few years ago, and when I added it, I thought FSXnet was fairly new.
    It seems FSXNet was able to become fairly popular for a newer message network.

    the youtube tutorials + the test config allowing near immediate usage of the net certainly helps. fsx and dovenet are the only two with a near zero bar for entry and without any sort of "will they let me join? is my bbs good enough?" sort of stigma.

    fidonet in particular outright says you figure it out yourself and it better work first time. not very friendly if you ask me..

    ... Fer sell cheep: BBS spel chekker. Wurks grate.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/25 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: cold fusion - cfbbs.net - grand rapids, mi (21:1/616)
  • From Al@21:4/106 to fusion on Monday, August 29, 2022 13:09:46
    fidonet in particular outright says you figure it out yourself and it better work first time. not very friendly if you ask me..

    That is not true. Not everyone in fidonet is so friendly but that is the exception not the rule.

    I am willing to help anyone who needs help get on their feet regardless of what net it is. Netmail/echomail works easily for that purpose.

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-6
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106)
  • From Warpslide@21:3/110.1 to fusion on Monday, August 29, 2022 16:27:32
    *** Quoting fusion from a message to Nightfox ***

    fidonet in particular outright says you figure it out yourself and it better work first time. not very friendly if you ask me..

    Yeah, the docs for Fido can be a little intimidating, and depending on where you are the people you need to deal with can be either very helpful or sometimes not at all.

    -!- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/25 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: cold fusion - cfbbs.net - grand rapids, mi (21:1/616)

    You're in Michigan so it looks like you would fall into Region 11 & Net 120 which is the domain of Nicholas Boel: http://pharcyde.org.

    Nicholas is also here on fsxNet but listed as a private node at 21:1/200.

    I can give you a hand getting configured if you'd like, while you reach out
    to Nicholas for an application.


    Jay

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  • From Phigan@21:4/10 to Blue White on Monday, August 29, 2022 15:50:51
    Re: Re: Join Networks
    By: Blue White to phigan on Sat Aug 27 2022 09:13:19

    Maybe your test messages are not getting to the whole network. I carry Retronet and have not seen any traffic in it for a few weeks. Before then,

    I just responded to my own message in the General base :). Didja get it?

    ---
    ■ Synchronet ■ Mutiny BBS - mutinybbs.com - telnet:2332 - ssh:2232
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  • From fusion@21:1/616 to Warpslide on Monday, August 29, 2022 17:52:46
    On 29 Aug 2022, Warpslide said the following...

    I can give you a hand getting configured if you'd like, while you reach out to Nicholas for an application.

    i've been on fidonet for quite a while heh.

    ... I put a dollar in one of those change machines. Nothing changed.

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  • From fusion@21:1/616 to Warpslide on Monday, August 29, 2022 18:10:18
    On 29 Aug 2022, Warpslide said the following...

    I can give you a hand getting configured if you'd like, while you reach out to Nicholas for an application.

    thanks though

    ... Back up my hard drive? I can't find the reverse switch!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/25 (Windows/32)
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Warpslide on Monday, August 29, 2022 15:44:13
    Re: Re: Join Networks
    By: Warpslide to Nightfox on Mon Aug 29 2022 03:53 pm

    From HISTORY.TXT:

    2015-11-08

    It looks like fsxNet will be seven years old this November.

    Ah.. I didn't realize there was a history.txt in the info pack.

    Nightfox
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to fusion on Monday, August 29, 2022 15:45:29
    Re: Re: Join Networks
    By: fusion to Nightfox on Mon Aug 29 2022 04:01 pm

    How long has FSXNet been around? I seem to remember adding FSXnet
    just a few years ago, and when I added it, I thought FSXnet was
    fairly new. It seems FSXNet was able to become fairly popular for a
    newer message network.

    the youtube tutorials + the test config allowing near immediate usage of the net certainly helps. fsx and dovenet are the only two with a near zero

    Ah, I didn't know there were YouTube tutorials for FSXNet. And I'm not familiar with this test config.

    Nightfox
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to fusion on Monday, August 29, 2022 15:46:56
    Re: Re: Join Networks
    By: fusion to boraxman on Mon Aug 29 2022 03:48 pm

    unfortunately i'm also one of those people that might leave out a few subs. either because they are dead, dead+sub advert spam (fidogazette, ham radio, etc that just post news are examples) but i'm not against adding stuff people want..

    When I add a message network to my BBS, I generally like to carry all the message areas in that network. I figure people can disable the ones they don't like to read in their message scans, and those areas that are dead would be skipped anyway.

    Nightfox
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Gamgee on Monday, August 29, 2022 15:47:26
    Re: Re: Join Networks
    By: Gamgee to Irish_Monk on Mon Aug 29 2022 02:45 pm

    Where can I get the Application for DoveNET?

    You don't even need one.

    Look here: http://wiki.synchro.net/network:dove-net

    Down near the bottom of that page is a link for instructions on joining; it's pretty easy.

    I was going to say the same thing, but I think he's looking to set up Dove-Net via FTN rather than QWK.

    Nightfox
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  • From Irish_Monk@21:4/184 to Gamgee on Monday, August 29, 2022 17:59:55
    You don't even need one.
    Look here: http://wiki.synchro.net/network:dove-net

    Awesome, Thanks!!!

    |10I|02rish_|10M|02onk

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  • From Irish_Monk@21:4/184 to Nightfox on Monday, August 29, 2022 19:45:54
    I was going to say the same thing, but I think he's looking to set up Dove-Net via FTN rather than QWK.

    Thank you both!! I really didnt know what I wanted but I did set it up right now as QWK and it works fine. Recieved and sent messages. Actually I just have to go back and confirm the sent message went thru completely. But thanks again to both of you!!

    |10I|02rish_|10M|02onk

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  • From Irish_Monk@21:4/184 to Nightfox on Monday, August 29, 2022 19:51:16
    When I add a message network to my BBS, I generally like to carry all the message areas in that network. I figure people can disable the ones
    they don't like to read in their message scans, and those areas that are dead would be skipped anyway.

    Yes, I have done the same so far. You never know when that message will come thru and if its just a dead message area it doesnt slow anyone down since it never finds any messages in there during the scan. So no biggie. Only takes a few mins more to just add all of them.

    |10I|02rish_|10M|02onk

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Warpslide on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 12:32:00
    On 08-29-22 09:00, Warpslide wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I dropped Retronet back in June via Netmail & Email, never heard
    anything from Carlos. He still tries polling my system hourly even
    though I don't have it setup anymore...

    Yeah it's not looking great for RetroNet. I am still officially linked, but as I said, crickets. Pity, it was a good net. :(

    Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 76516 packets, 26M bytes)
    pkts bytes target prot opt in out source Destination
    104 5408 REJECT all -- * * 75.67.168.60 0.0.0.0/0

    Same with Whispernet:

    Never been on that network.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to boraxman on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 12:41:00
    On 08-30-22 01:36, boraxman wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Overall I don't think it is worthwhile. Mobiles are just the wrong
    format for this time of connectivity. The whole point of a BBS, and of these message networks is correspondence and being at a destination,
    not simple chat. The mobile phone tends to make its users prefer
    shorter "chat style" communication which I think isn't really the point here. While it would be good to have a nice SSH client that one can
    use easily, having access to say, fsxNet over mobile is probably in reality not as great an idea as it may first seem to be.

    I still do a bit of "long form" messaging on phones, mostly on a couple of websites. It would be nice to have a more portable option for BBS messaging than a laptop.

    better that its not relevant to modern forms. But then, maybe people
    here who already use BBS's wish for mobile options, for themselves?

    Me for one. A mobile offline reader would fit the bill. I did get Bluewave working under DOSBox on an Android phone, but that was a pain to use on such a small screen.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to boraxman on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 12:48:00
    On 08-30-22 01:39, boraxman wrote to Vk3jed <=-


    I just try to find that one BBS in Australia which has the nets I want, and use that. There is one, but it doesn't carry all the fsxNet
    message areas, hence why I come to Agency BBS as well. Can't be
    bothered setting up my own board, nor can I be bothered doing a round-robin call of several boards daily to cover all the 'nets.

    Fair enough, I can't be bothered with the round robin either, but having my own system at least saves that part. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Blue White on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 12:50:00
    On 08-29-22 10:15, Blue White wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Do you have the BADAREA set up in your sbbsecho AREAS.BBS file? If the messages are not going there, that would likely rule out a tag issue. Having BADAREA set up very recently helped me track down an issue (I
    had the SBBS internal tag and the FTN tag reversed!).

    I'll have to check, and it did work once, just suddenly stopped working.

    If you have one set up, and they are not going there, other culprits
    that spring to mind are a mismatch between the AREAS.BBS file and your SCFG area tags (which it sounds like you've already checked), or an
    issue with the compression used on the packets. It sounds like it
    looks like they are decompressing properly, though.

    I'll check all the above again, though it's been a head scratcher. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to paulie420 on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 13:23:00
    On 08-29-22 09:05, paulie420 wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    This is a stupid basic question, but have you checked /mystic/echomail/out/tqwnet for .bsy's? Normally I just check /mystic/semaphore but sometimes there can also be network specific .bsy files in that out folder.

    I'm sure its not that, but just a thought. :P

    I have done the killbusy thing countless times, but I can do a manual check.

    Hmm, this is on the Synchronet system. :) I could try joining on Mystic, and using that as a hub.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nightfox on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 13:24:00
    On 08-29-22 10:29, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I think there is, but as far as I know, the Dove-Net host BBS
    (Vertrauen) only provides it via QWK.

    The main FTN gate has since come forward. :)


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  • From Irish_Monk@21:4/184 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 08:31:00
    Yeah it's not looking great for RetroNet. I am still officially linked, but as I said, crickets. Pity, it was a good net. :(

    Hopefully all those users came over here to FSXNET and FSXNET as everyone knows has a message base for RETRO.

    |10I|02rish_|10M|02onk

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Nightfox on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 00:54:35
    You have to go where the people are, and the people are really on onl or two net it seems.

    How long has FSXNet been around? I seem to remember adding FSXnet just
    a few years ago, and when I added it, I thought FSXnet was fairly new.
    It seems FSXNet was able to become fairly popular for a newer message network.


    Avon would be in a better position to answer that. I only really started posting and reading fsxNet after seeing one of his tutorials early this year or late last year.

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Irish_Monk on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 00:56:28
    If one wants to start a 'net, why not just run the BBS for that purpo It's not like we can't call BBS's outside of our own region anymore. Set up a BBS for that topic, and just have the message forums local. You'll have complete control.

    Good Point! A big reason for NETS back in the day was most likely so you could still talk to people that were not in your area, but not pay long distance phone calls and just call the local BBS part of that NET.

    Irish_Monk

    The only real advantage that a net has now, is you can access multiple nets on the one BBS. But if you still have to 'dial' into different BBS's to get to them all, then that advantage disappears.

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 01:00:11
    Overall I don't think it is worthwhile. Mobiles are just the wrong format for this time of connectivity. The whole point of a BBS, and these message networks is correspondence and being at a destination, not simple chat. The mobile phone tends to make its users prefer shorter "chat style" communication which I think isn't really the poi here. While it would be good to have a nice SSH client that one can use easily, having access to say, fsxNet over mobile is probably in reality not as great an idea as it may first seem to be.

    I still do a bit of "long form" messaging on phones, mostly on a couple
    of websites. It would be nice to have a more portable option for BBS messaging than a laptop.

    better that its not relevant to modern forms. But then, maybe people here who already use BBS's wish for mobile options, for themselves?

    Me for one. A mobile offline reader would fit the bill. I did get Bluewave working under DOSBox on an Android phone, but that was a pain
    to use on such a small screen.



    The only time I used a BBS on my phone was on holiday early this year, and having to do it on an old Nokia (old! it had a keypad) was kind of rought, especially when putty wouldn't break the lines properly and input and output got garbled.

    Less of a problem on android with ConnectBot. As nice as it is, when I'm on holiday, it is probably best to BE on holiday. It's not so important here that i can't go a week or two without posting or reading.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Irish_Monk on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 08:34:00
    Re: Re: Join Networks
    By: Irish_Monk to Nightfox on Mon Aug 29 2022 07:51 pm

    When I add a message network to my BBS, I generally like to carry
    all the message areas in that network. I figure people can disable

    Yes, I have done the same so far. You never know when that message will come thru and if its just a dead message area it doesnt slow anyone down

    Yep. I agree.

    Nightfox
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Warpslide on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 08:42:39
    Re: Re: Join Networks
    By: Warpslide to Vk3jed on Mon Aug 29 2022 09:00 am

    Same with Whispernet:

    I think WhisperNet is somewhat active sometimes. I'm connected to it and have seen posts there occasionally lately. But one thing with WhisperNet is that a few times since I've used WhisperNet, the host changed his setup a few times, and at one time, he had another sysop host WhisperNet for a while. And it happened without adequate notification, so there were a couple times when I realized I couldn't send or receive messages in WhisperNet because the setup had changed and I didn't know.

    Nightfox
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 08:44:36
    Re: Re: Join Networks
    By: Vk3jed to boraxman on Tue Aug 30 2022 12:41 pm

    I still do a bit of "long form" messaging on phones, mostly on a couple of websites. It would be nice to have a more portable option for BBS messaging than a laptop.

    better that its not relevant to modern forms. But then, maybe
    people here who already use BBS's wish for mobile options, for
    themselves?

    Me for one. A mobile offline reader would fit the bill. I did get Bluewave working under DOSBox on an Android phone, but that was a pain to use on such a small screen.

    I tend to not do many long messages on a smartphone. I think it's more difficult to type on a smartphone screen keyboard, and I type a lot slower. I much prefer a real PC keyboard for typing messages, but that's probably because I've been touch-typing for many years, and I type a lot faster on a real PC keyboard.

    Nightfox
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  • From Bex@21:1/137 to faeempress on Sunday, August 28, 2022 19:29:00
    faeempress said to All: <=-

    Personally I like to have choice, even if the nets are half dead.
    I also like how some are focused toward topics, ie. Spooknet and

    Same! Having choices for nets also allows me to match them up with BBSs. I
    do both Survival Net and Spooknet on RealityCheck because obviously.

    Retronet. I really wanted to join Retronet but the owner/nc is taking a
    break, so we'll see. Back in the 90's when I ran

    SyncTerm was my gateway into Retronet, which directly led to my current obsession with building a kick-ass emulated Amiga to match the Amiga 4000 I always wanted but was too poor to own.

    DAMN YOU RETRONET!!!!

    ;)


    -- Bex <3
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  • From Bex@21:1/137 to Exodus on Sunday, August 28, 2022 21:02:00
    Exodus said to Faeempress: <=-

    MetroNet ... since 1994. http://www.rgbbs.info

    I am pretty sure that I have all of the MetroNet subs selected for offline
    mail on Digital Distortion BBS. I don't remember seeing much traffic, but
    my memory is not the best. :)


    -- Bex <3
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    Millions of planets? Eons of time? Countless civilizations to meet?"
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  • From nblade@21:3/170 to fusion on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 16:04:06

    fidonet in particular outright says you figure it out yourself and it better work first time. not very friendly if you ask me..


    I know the person running the area I tried to join on Fidonet was trying to be helpful but we could never get things to work. I'm almost 100% certain it was something on the hub side but could never prove it. I only say that because I had a bbs on Fidonet a long time ago with the same person and it took forever to get it working. At the end of the day, I figured it just wasn't worth it get Fidonet, So I'm just sticking with FSXNet and DoveNet.

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Gamgee on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 16:39:22
    Gamgee wrote to Irish_Monk <=-

    Irish_Monk wrote to Blue White <=-

    Where can I get the Application for DoveNET?

    You don't even need one.

    Look here: http://wiki.synchro.net/network:dove-net

    Down near the bottom of that page is a link for instructions on
    joining; it's pretty easy.

    Thanks! I could not find that link so I was hoping someone else had the
    answer for him. :)


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Al on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 16:41:45
    Al wrote to fusion <=-

    fidonet in particular outright says you figure it out yourself and it better work first time. not very friendly if you ask me..

    That is not true. Not everyone in fidonet is so friendly but that is
    the exception not the rule.

    I am willing to help anyone who needs help get on their feet regardless
    of what net it is. Netmail/echomail works easily for that purpose.

    Me also. I have also seen the Z1 NC offer help to folks re: getting a
    net/node number or echo feed if their local NC is AWOL.



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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to boraxman on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 16:47:41
    boraxman wrote to Blue White <=-

    If one wants to start a 'net, why not just run the BBS for that
    purpose? It's not like we can't call BBS's outside of our own region anymore. Set up a BBS for that topic, and just have the message
    forums local. You'll have complete control.

    I think you answered your own question in another message where you talk
    about wanting to only have to call one or two boards in order to
    participate in the areas you want. A lot of people are not going to call another board to find a local-only network.


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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Blue White on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 17:35:30
    fidonet in particular outright says you figure it out yourself and it better >> work first time. not very friendly if you ask me..

    That is not true. Not everyone in fidonet is so friendly but that is
    the exception not the rule.

    I am willing to help anyone who needs help get on their feet regardless
    of what net it is. Netmail/echomail works easily for that purpose.

    Me also. I have also seen the Z1 NC offer help to folks re: getting a net/node number or echo feed if their local NC is AWOL.

    Yes, there is plenty of help. We just need to know what questions nodes have or what needs work.

    Admittedly, there are a lot of details in FTN setup and each one needs to be entered correctly or there will be some kind of issue, but there is help to get it setup and working as expected.

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  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to Bex on Thursday, September 01, 2022 11:49:31
    Hi Bex,

    SyncTerm was my gateway into Retronet, which directly led to my
    current obsession with building a kick-ass emulated Amiga to match the
    Amiga 4000 I always wanted but was too poor to own.

    I'm currently in the process of re-building my Amiga 4000 setup after the
    MB sufferd from those damm caps leaking...

    Have now got the old thing back, installed a 120Gb IDE hd and put os 3.1
    on it, the A3660, 12Mb of Fast ram, 2Mb chip. Got it currently hooked to a
    Asus 22" lcd that can do 15khz via a Amiga-VGA adaptor.

    Pondering if I should put the Cybervision RTG card into her.



    \/orlon
    aka
    Stephen


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    * Origin: Vorlon Empire: Amiga 3000 powered in Sector 550 (21:1/195.1)
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Irish_Monk on Thursday, September 01, 2022 20:27:00
    On 08-30-22 08:31, Irish_Monk wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Yeah it's not looking great for RetroNet. I am still officially linked, but as I said, crickets. Pity, it was a good net. :(

    Hopefully all those users came over here to FSXNET and FSXNET as
    everyone knows has a message base for RETRO.

    Might be the place for retro enthusiasts to congregate. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to boraxman on Thursday, September 01, 2022 20:32:00
    On 08-31-22 01:00, boraxman wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    The only time I used a BBS on my phone was on holiday early this year,
    and having to do it on an old Nokia (old! it had a keypad) was kind of rought, especially when putty wouldn't break the lines properly and
    input and output got garbled.

    If I'm away, I'll use a laptop, problem solved, but if I'm in a highly mobile situation, that's not a practical option.

    Less of a problem on android with ConnectBot. As nice as it is, when
    I'm on holiday, it is probably best to BE on holiday. It's not so important here that i can't go a week or two without posting or
    reading.

    I'm not a big fan of interactive posting. I discovered QWK (and later Bluewave) offline mail in my first year of BBSing and never looked back. :)


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nightfox on Thursday, September 01, 2022 20:35:00
    On 08-30-22 08:44, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I tend to not do many long messages on a smartphone. I think it's more difficult to type on a smartphone screen keyboard, and I type a lot slower. I much prefer a real PC keyboard for typing messages, but
    that's probably because I've been touch-typing for many years, and I
    type a lot faster on a real PC keyboard.

    I prefer a PC as well, but I can still do reasonably well on a smartphone if necessary. Too much time spent on Facebook, where mobile reading is much easier than trying to use the bloated web interface. :D


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  • From Geri Atricks@21:4/102 to faeempress on Friday, August 26, 2022 16:42:35
    Yes, I run SFNet. It's a netwrork for all things SciFi/Fantasy/Anime/Gaming. You can get the packet off my main website: furmenservices.net
    It's available for both QWK and FTN networking.

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    * Origin: Legends of Yesteryear (furmenservices.net:23322) (21:4/102)
  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Vk3jed on Thursday, September 01, 2022 08:50:19
    Re: Re: Join Networks
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Thu Sep 01 2022 08:35 pm

    I prefer a PC as well, but I can still do reasonably well on a smartphone if necessary. Too much time spent on Facebook, where mobile reading is much easier than trying to use the bloated web interface. :D

    I can type well-ish on a smartphone, but still not very fast (compared to how I type on a real keyboard). The slow speed of typing is enough for me to not want to post very long messages most of the time.

    Nightfox
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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Geri Atricks on Thursday, September 01, 2022 12:19:00
    Geri Atricks wrote to faeempress <=-

    Yes, I run SFNet. It's a netwrork for all things SciFi/Fantasy/Anime/Gaming. You can get the packet off my main
    website: furmenservices.net It's available for both QWK and FTN networking.

    But........ is there any traffic?



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  • From acn@21:3/127.1 to Gamgee on Friday, September 02, 2022 10:44:00
    Am 01.09.22 schrieb Gamgee@21:2/138 in FSX_GEN:

    Hallo Gamgee,

    Yes, I run SFNet. It's a netwrork for all things
    SciFi/Fantasy/Anime/Gaming. You can get the packet off my main
    website: furmenservices.net It's available for both QWK and FTN
    networking.

    But........ is there any traffic?

    SFNet has a huuuuge number of echos and each one gets a monthly
    "rules" posting.

    Besides that, it's a quite low-volume network (at least in the echos
    that I've subscribed).

    Regards,
    Anna

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nightfox on Friday, September 02, 2022 20:31:00
    On 09-01-22 08:50, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I can type well-ish on a smartphone, but still not very fast (compared
    to how I type on a real keyboard). The slow speed of typing is enough
    for me to not want to post very long messages most of the time.

    My point was a smartphone is better than nothimg. :)


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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Blue White on Friday, September 02, 2022 23:14:47
    If one wants to start a 'net, why not just run the BBS for that purpose? It's not like we can't call BBS's outside of our own region anymore. Set up a BBS for that topic, and just have the message forums local. You'll have complete control.

    I think you answered your own question in another message where you talk about wanting to only have to call one or two boards in order to participate in the areas you want. A lot of people are not going to call another board to find a local-only network.


    Good point, but I'm lazy. Actually, its not so much laziness but the log in sequence I have to repeat to go from board to board which is the issue.

    If the local only board was quite active, I'd make the trip.

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  • From Bex@21:1/137 to Ogg on Thursday, September 01, 2022 15:30:00
    Ogg said to boraxman: <=-

    And "where the people are" probably includes mobile devices.

    :/

    Unfortunately, that is exactly right. Using Juice SSH on my android device
    I can SSH into my Linux box and then use ncurses SyncTerm to get to other boards, but the display and the keyboard are so small that it isn't worth
    it.

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  • From Bex@21:1/137 to Gamgee on Thursday, September 01, 2022 16:01:00
    Gamgee said to boraxman: <=-

    boraxman wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    The whole "spirit" is lost when its converted to an instant
    messaging type of thing, and the advantages and uniqueness
    disappear. The more I think about it, the more I think the lack
    of options for mobile isn't really a problem. Is it really a
    good idea to turn this "old style" method of communication into a
    copy of what already exists? Maybe its better that its not
    relevant to modern forms. But then, maybe people here who
    already use BBS's wish for mobile options, for themselves?

    I agree completely with this post! I think it is definitely *NOT* a
    good idea to try and do BBS/echomail with a mobile device, and hope
    efforts to make it work are discouraged.

    I've seen the spiritual twins of this argument going on since the late
    '80s. I've seen it in BBSs, I've seen it in Fidonet itself, I've seen it in alernate nets, I've seen it on The Well. It boils down to people being
    afraid of change. New users are new users, and we old folks could use some young whipper-snappers to come in and freshen things up.

    A new method of getting into Fidonet could lead to new users, which could
    lead to new ideas, which could lead to a further evolution of Fidonet.

    I say bring it on!

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to acn on Friday, September 02, 2022 08:35:00
    acn wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Yes, I run SFNet. It's a netwrork for all things
    SciFi/Fantasy/Anime/Gaming. You can get the packet off my main
    website: furmenservices.net It's available for both QWK and FTN
    networking.

    But........ is there any traffic?

    SFNet has a huuuuge number of echos and each one gets a monthly
    "rules" posting.

    Okay, but I wouldn't count that as "traffic".

    Besides that, it's a quite low-volume network (at least in the
    echos that I've subscribed).

    Okay, I'm gonna translate "quite low-volume" to mean "yet another dead network" that I won't bother with... Thanks for the info.



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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Bex on Friday, September 02, 2022 08:39:00
    Bex wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I agree completely with this post! I think it is definitely *NOT* a
    good idea to try and do BBS/echomail with a mobile device, and hope efforts to make it work are discouraged.

    I've seen the spiritual twins of this argument going on since the
    late '80s. I've seen it in BBSs, I've seen it in Fidonet itself,
    I've seen it in alernate nets, I've seen it on The Well. It boils
    down to people being afraid of change. New users are new users,
    and we old folks could use some young whipper-snappers to come in
    and freshen things up.

    Perhaps some resistance to change, yes.

    A new method of getting into Fidonet could lead to new users,
    which could lead to new ideas, which could lead to a further
    evolution of Fidonet.

    Have you actually *looked* at an echo on Fidonet which caters to posting
    from a mobile device (I guess it's usually 'Telegram')? If not, you
    should. You might change your thinking if you see the mess that it
    creates.


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Gamgee on Friday, September 02, 2022 15:17:15
    Have you actually *looked* at an echo on Fidonet which caters to posting from a mobile device (I guess it's usually 'Telegram')? If not, you should. You might change your thinking if you see the mess that it creates.

    I've seen them, and agree. But I _still_ hope that eventually it'll work better.

    But I like the idea of BBS technology evolving a bit. I like various old
    things about BBSs (e.g., the lack of pictures is a _feature_), but it'd be
    nice for the technology to improve.

    But I think this is also a bit of one of those age-old arguments here, with people wanting to preserve the old versus people wanting to extend what's there, possibly in ways that might affect the old.

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  • From Atreyu@21:1/176 to Gamgee on Friday, September 02, 2022 11:59:11
    On 02 Sep 22 08:35:00, Gamgee said the following to Acn:

    Besides that, it's a quite low-volume network (at least in the
    echos that I've subscribed).

    Okay, I'm gonna translate "quite low-volume" to mean "yet another dead network" that I won't bother with... Thanks for the info.

    It could be argued that theres no point to joining any Othernet.

    Nowadays anyone running an Othernet will eventually attract the same Sysops, same convo, same noise.

    Not enough demand for the supply...

    Atreyu

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  • From Atreyu@21:1/176 to Gamgee on Friday, September 02, 2022 12:12:14
    On 02 Sep 22 08:39:00, Gamgee said the following to Bex:

    Have you actually *looked* at an echo on Fidonet which caters to posting from a mobile device (I guess it's usually 'Telegram')? If not, you should. You might change your thinking if you see the mess that it creates.

    Its amusing to me that Telegram is considered "progress"... a weird app thats gated by a weird russian that adds weird kludges.

    At least his system is a convoluted house of cards, whenever his system takes
    a nosedive it takes down that stupid gateway, if only for the moment.

    I can't wait for him to permanently nosedive.

    Atreyu

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Adept on Friday, September 02, 2022 15:01:00
    Adept wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Have you actually *looked* at an echo on Fidonet which caters to posting from a mobile device (I guess it's usually 'Telegram')? If not, you should. You might change your thinking if you see the mess that it creates.

    I've seen them, and agree. But I _still_ hope that eventually
    it'll work better.

    I hope it does eventually work better too. But until it does, I don't
    see it as anything to consider using.

    But I like the idea of BBS technology evolving a bit. I like
    various old things about BBSs (e.g., the lack of pictures is a
    _feature_), but it'd be nice for the technology to improve.

    As long as the changes are *improvements*, no argument here. Right now
    I'd consider 'Telegram' as a step backwards.

    But I think this is also a bit of one of those age-old arguments
    here, with people wanting to preserve the old versus people
    wanting to extend what's there, possibly in ways that might
    affect the old.

    No doubt.



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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Atreyu on Friday, September 02, 2022 15:04:00
    Atreyu wrote to Gamgee <=-

    On 02 Sep 22 08:35:00, Gamgee said the following to Acn:

    Besides that, it's a quite low-volume network (at least in the
    echos that I've subscribed).

    Okay, I'm gonna translate "quite low-volume" to mean "yet another dead network" that I won't bother with... Thanks for the info.

    It could be argued that theres no point to joining any Othernet.

    Nowadays anyone running an Othernet will eventually attract the
    same Sysops, same convo, same noise.

    Not enough demand for the supply...

    Agreed on all. This one we're on here seems to be OK though, and
    perhaps one other net... Within the last few weeks I've dumped 5 dead networks from my board.



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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Atreyu on Friday, September 02, 2022 15:05:00
    Atreyu wrote to Gamgee <=-

    On 02 Sep 22 08:39:00, Gamgee said the following to Bex:

    Have you actually *looked* at an echo on Fidonet which caters to posting from a mobile device (I guess it's usually 'Telegram')? If not, you should. You might change your thinking if you see the mess that it creates.

    Its amusing to me that Telegram is considered "progress"... a
    weird app thats gated by a weird russian that adds weird kludges.

    At least his system is a convoluted house of cards, whenever his
    system takes a nosedive it takes down that stupid gateway, if
    only for the moment.

    Ahhh, didn't know it had a single-point-of-failure. Good.

    I can't wait for him to permanently nosedive.

    Same.



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  • From Atreyu@21:1/176 to Gamgee on Friday, September 02, 2022 16:22:12
    On 02 Sep 22 15:04:00, Gamgee said the following to Atreyu:

    Not enough demand for the supply...

    Agreed on all. This one we're on here seems to be OK though, and
    perhaps one other net... Within the last few weeks I've dumped 5 dead networks from my board.

    I have a Canuck long weekend here, I may do the same. Retronet, Spooknet and one or two others are just dead or not working despite repeated contact.

    Atreyu

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  • From Atreyu@21:1/176 to Gamgee on Friday, September 02, 2022 16:29:42
    On 02 Sep 22 15:05:00, Gamgee said the following to Atreyu:

    At least his system is a convoluted house of cards, whenever his
    system takes a nosedive it takes down that stupid gateway, if
    only for the moment.

    Ahhh, didn't know it had a single-point-of-failure. Good.

    As far as I know it does. I can't imagine anyone else wanting to gate that crap or work with that nutjob.

    Atreyu

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Gamgee on Friday, September 02, 2022 19:31:00
    Hello Gamgee!

    ** On Friday 02.09.22 - 08:39, Gamgee wrote to Bex:

    Have you actually *looked* at an echo on Fidonet which
    caters to posting from a mobile device (I guess it's
    usually 'Telegram')? If not, you should. You might change
    your thinking if you see the mess that it creates.

    The requoting system for replies is still a work in progress
    and is tweakable. Replies utilize MSGID and REPLYID and
    threads are really easy to follow with fidonet readers.
    Original posts are quite nicely done.

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Ogg on Saturday, September 03, 2022 07:17:00
    Ogg wrote to Gamgee <=-

    ** On Friday 02.09.22 - 08:39, Gamgee wrote to Bex:

    Have you actually *looked* at an echo on Fidonet which
    caters to posting from a mobile device (I guess it's
    usually 'Telegram')? If not, you should. You might change
    your thinking if you see the mess that it creates.

    The requoting system for replies is still a work in progress
    and is tweakable.

    It's been "in progress" for a long time, and seems to be making *NO*
    progress.

    Replies utilize MSGID and REPLYID and
    threads are really easy to follow with fidonet readers.

    Strongly disagree. They are completely impossible to follow, because
    nobody bothers to quote any context and so you end up with disjointed one-liners, or seemingly meaningless "content" which you have no idea
    what is being discussed. It's absolute garbage.

    If anyone needs proof of what I'm saying, take a 2-minute peek at the
    "RPG Literature" echo. You won't need the whole 2 minutes, either.



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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Adept on Saturday, September 03, 2022 09:45:36
    Adept wrote to Gamgee <=-

    But I like the idea of BBS technology evolving a bit. I like various
    old things about BBSs (e.g., the lack of pictures is a _feature_)...

    +1

    I also like the evolution. If the hobby had not evolved at all, we'd all
    still be using dial-up to move mail.



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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Atreyu on Saturday, September 03, 2022 09:47:52
    Atreyu wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Nowadays anyone running an Othernet will eventually attract the same Sysops, same convo, same noise.

    One good thing about some of the othernets is that, unlike FIDO, they at
    least won't put up with certain sysops and their sock-puppets trolling the echoes. That is a big plus for both this network and Micronet.



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  • From Atreyu@21:1/176 to Blue White on Saturday, September 03, 2022 11:36:03
    On 03 Sep 22 09:47:52, Blue White said the following to Atreyu:

    One good thing about some of the othernets is that, unlike FIDO, they at least won't put up with certain sysops and their sock-puppets trolling the echoes. That is a big plus for both this network and Micronet.

    Agreed 100%.

    Atreyu

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Gamgee on Saturday, September 03, 2022 18:39:00
    Hello Gamgee!

    ** On Saturday 03.09.22 - 07:17, Gamgee wrote to Ogg:

    If anyone needs proof of what I'm saying, take a 2-minute
    peek at the "RPG Literature" echo. You won't need the
    whole 2 minutes, either.

    References of "Right. So, now all Sharon needs to do is"
    197 25.08 Dr Sharon Aitken And I still want to read
    367 25.08 ├──August Abolins i thought JD created a Kindle
    182 25.08 │ ├──John Dovey Firecat I did, but that was for Richa
    334 25.08 │ │ ├──August Abolins Right. So, now all Sharon nee
    199 25.08 │ │ │ ├──Dr Sharon Aitken I'm happy to buy
    555 25.08 │ │ │ │ ├──Richard Falken
    555 25.08 │ │ │ │ └──Richard Falken
    199 25.08 │ │ │ └──Dr Sharon Aitken I'm happy to buy
    555 25.08 │ │ │ ├──Richard Falken
    555 25.08 │ │ │ └──Richard Falken


    No problem.


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Ogg on Saturday, September 03, 2022 22:06:00
    Ogg wrote to Gamgee <=-

    ** On Saturday 03.09.22 - 07:17, Gamgee wrote to Ogg:

    If anyone needs proof of what I'm saying, take a 2-minute
    peek at the "RPG Literature" echo. You won't need the
    whole 2 minutes, either.

    References of "Right. So, now all Sharon needs to do is"
    197 25.08 Dr Sharon Aitken And I
    still want to read
    367 25.08 }--August Abolins i thought
    JD created a Kindle
    182 25.08 | }--John Dovey Firecat I did,
    but that was for Richa
    334 25.08 | | }--August Abolins Right.
    So, now all Sharon nee
    199 25.08 | | | }--Dr Sharon Aitken I'm happy
    to buy
    555 25.08 | | | | }--Richard Falken
    555 25.08 | | | | `--Richard Falken
    199 25.08 | | | `--Dr Sharon Aitken I'm happy
    to buy
    555 25.08 | | | }--Richard Falken
    555 25.08 | | | `--Richard Falken


    No problem.

    Not even sure what you're trying to show here.

    Sure looks like garbage to me, thanks for proving my point.


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  • From Geri Atricks@21:4/102 to Gamgee on Thursday, September 01, 2022 18:35:34
    But........ is there any traffic?

    Some, as with all networks, the amount of traffic depends on how active the member nodes are and how much traffic THEY get. Of course, the more nodes, the higher the chance of traffic.

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Bex on Sunday, September 04, 2022 23:25:50
    The whole "spirit" is lost when its converted to an instant
    messaging type of thing, and the advantages and uniqueness
    disappear. The more I think about it, the more I think the lack
    of options for mobile isn't really a problem. Is it really a
    good idea to turn this "old style" method of communication into a copy of what already exists? Maybe its better that its not
    relevant to modern forms. But then, maybe people here who
    already use BBS's wish for mobile options, for themselves?

    I agree completely with this post! I think it is definitely *NOT* a good idea to try and do BBS/echomail with a mobile device, and hope efforts to make it work are discouraged.

    I've seen the spiritual twins of this argument going on since the late '80s. I've seen it in BBSs, I've seen it in Fidonet itself, I've seen it in alernate nets, I've seen it on The Well. It boils down to people being afraid of change. New users are new users, and we old folks could use
    some young whipper-snappers to come in and freshen things up.

    A new method of getting into Fidonet could lead to new users, which could lead to new ideas, which could lead to a further evolution of Fidonet.

    I say bring it on!


    But there are already other messaging systems, and people can use those if they feel the need to have that system. I also take issue with the idea that it about people "afraid of change".

    I stopped using BBS's and embraced the Internet, and I had a Facebook account well before I came back to BBS's. I've used MSN Messenger, forums, etc. By now means I am "afraid of change". I've heard this argument many times before when I've not liked the direction some particular new development is taking things. Not everything that is new, is necessarily better.

    BBS's are unique, and Facebook *IS* poison. I prefer things on the older "social media" because it IS better. You don't abandon your niche to try and compete with someone else who is dominant in theirs.

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  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Adept on Sunday, September 04, 2022 23:31:12
    I've seen them, and agree. But I _still_ hope that eventually it'll work better.

    But I like the idea of BBS technology evolving a bit. I like various old things about BBSs (e.g., the lack of pictures is a _feature_), but it'd
    be nice for the technology to improve.

    But I think this is also a bit of one of those age-old arguments here, with people wanting to preserve the old versus people wanting to extend what's there, possibly in ways that might affect the old.


    The only real "evolution" needed is on the client side of things. Making it a bit easier to get connected to one, perhaps less stuck to the 80x25 format and clients that work better on mobile, though mobile isn't a good fit.

    But any attempt to go much further would really just be in the end reinventing other messaging and forum solutions which already exist. It really comes down to whether one likes the BBS format, and can make the most of it, not whether the BBS needs modernisation. If you simply want to message, then use a messenger program. If you simply want chat, use a chat program, etc etc.

    The BBS is an example where you can have messaging, chat, files, bulletins, shared information all in one place, customised and homely. BBS's are more than just Fidonet, we don't really use them to their full extent.

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  • From Irish_Monk@21:4/184 to boraxman on Sunday, September 04, 2022 08:43:53
    BBS's are unique, and Facebook *IS* poison. I prefer things on the older "social media" because it IS better. You don't abandon your niche to
    try and compete with someone else who is dominant in theirs.

    I think I feel the same way you do. But it would be nice to get a few more quality users in on the NETS and BBS's. It will most likely never be like in the 90's. Im not trying to be negative, But as I think about it a little more, BBS land wasnt perfect neither. I remember having "trolls" and problem users on my BBS. Of course since I only had about 100 users, maybe 2 were bad or so., and then when MIRC became popular it seemed worse with the the quality of users. So the more popular and flooded with people, especially the way people are now, theres going to be those people who cause problems unfortunately.

    I really enjoy the old style BBS but I think its really cool how a couple of the BBS have a web page BBS also, (best way I can explain it) Which also links to the actual BBS. I have some quality people I work with that could bring a lot to the BBS community and I was surprise to find out they had no clue what a BBS was...

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Ogg on Sunday, September 04, 2022 09:18:08
    Ogg wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Replies utilize MSGID and REPLYID and
    threads are really easy to follow with fidonet readers.

    It seems to be getting somewhat better in that some of the users seem to
    know about quoting, etc. There are still some messages in the RPG echo
    where I have difficulty figuring out who they responded to when reading the messages offline in Multimail or SLMR, but that may be more on the user.



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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Geri Atricks on Sunday, September 04, 2022 09:19:48
    Geri Atricks wrote to Gamgee <=-

    But........ is there any traffic?

    Some, as with all networks, the amount of traffic depends on how active the member nodes are and how much traffic THEY get. Of course, the more nodes, the higher the chance of traffic.

    Seems like there was one new sysop or user that joined in recent weeks that
    was generating a lot of traffic with some good discussion. He either disappeared or ran out of things to say.



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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Gamgee on Sunday, September 04, 2022 07:24:00
    Hello Gamgee!

    ** On Saturday 03.09.22 - 22:06, Gamgee wrote to Ogg:


    Not even sure what you're trying to show here.

    Thank you for confirming my suspicions.


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Bex on Sunday, September 04, 2022 18:09:37
    Re: Re: Join Networks
    By: Bex to Gamgee on Thu Sep 01 2022 04:01 pm

    I've seen the spiritual twins of this argument going on since the late
    '80s. I've seen it in BBSs, I've seen it in Fidonet itself, I've seen it in alernate nets, I've seen it on The Well. It boils down to people being afraid of change. New users are new users, and we old folks could use some young whipper-snappers to come in and freshen things up.

    A new method of getting into Fidonet could lead to new users, which could lead to new ideas, which could lead to a further evolution of Fidonet.

    I say bring it on!

    A non-well understood phenomena you can see everywhere in the market if you care to look for it: when a company changes their practices in order to appeal to a different segment of the market than they usually do, they fail to get the new segment and they lose their old fans in the process.

    The reason is simple. If your firm sells peaches and you have fans who like peaches, if you start advertising oranges and shoving oranges down your customer's throats, two things are gonna happen:

    1) Your customers are gonna leave you because they wanted peaches instead of oranges.

    2) People who watns oranges are gonna get their oranges for their usual orange supplier instead of you, because their regular supplier has been growing awesome oranges since 1760 and your firkm will never be as good with oranges as Classy Oranges Inc.

    You don't get new youg customers by turning into an Orange company because you are not going to be better at it than other Orange companies. You get them by reaching to them and convincing them that peaches are fucking awesome.


    --
    gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)
  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Irish_Monk on Monday, September 05, 2022 23:39:58
    BBS's are unique, and Facebook *IS* poison. I prefer things on the o "social media" because it IS better. You don't abandon your niche to try and compete with someone else who is dominant in theirs.

    I think I feel the same way you do. But it would be nice to get a few
    more quality users in on the NETS and BBS's. It will most likely never
    be like in the 90's. Im not trying to be negative, But as I think about
    it a little more, BBS land wasnt perfect neither. I remember having "trolls" and problem users on my BBS. Of course since I only had about
    100 users, maybe 2 were bad or so., and then when MIRC became popular it seemed worse with the the quality of users. So the more popular and flooded with people, especially the way people are now, theres going to
    be those people who cause problems unfortunately.

    I really enjoy the old style BBS but I think its really cool how a
    couple of the BBS have a web page BBS also, (best way I can explain it) Which also links to the actual BBS. I have some quality people I work
    with that could bring a lot to the BBS community and I was surprise to find out they had no clue what a BBS was...


    I do like the fact you can access the BBS multiple ways as well. Some have their files available by FTP as well.

    More quality users would be great, perhaps bring back those that miss the aesthetic, or those who just want something different, something novel. For those who haven't used a BBS before, or even seen a good website, a well done BBS might appear quite interesting and unique, something different from the plethora of bland squarespace websites.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Ogg on Monday, September 05, 2022 09:34:00
    Ogg wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Not even sure what you're trying to show here.

    Thank you for confirming my suspicions.

    Yep, well your snarky comment, with no context provided, doesn't
    change the fact that attempting to read a FidoNet echo that
    is being posted to with Telegram is an exercise in futility. The
    complete lack of quoting and context makes it completely unusable.

    You can argue all you want, and post jumbled up gibberish attempting
    to convince otherwise, but all one needs to do is to go look at one
    of these echos to see that I am right. It's really that simple.


    ... So easy, a child could do it. Child sold separately.
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)
  • From Bex@21:1/137 to vorlon on Friday, September 02, 2022 13:54:00
    vorlon wrote to Bex <=-

    @MSGID: <631017C4.34424.fsxnet_fsx_gen@digitaldistortionbbs.com>
    @REPLY: <630E6FEB.34404.fsxnet_fsx_gen@digitaldistortionbbs.com>
    @TZ: 0258
    Hi Bex,

    I'm currently in the process of re-building my Amiga 4000 setup after
    the MB sufferd from those damm caps leaking...

    Yeah, the horror stories of leaking caps made me decide to emulate an A4000 instead of going the hardware route. I've restored enough computers in my
    life, I just want something that works.

    Plus, my 7 year old laptop is still hundreds of times faster than an
    actual A4000. :)

    Have now got the old thing back, installed a 120Gb IDE hd and put os
    3.1 on it, the A3660, 12Mb of Fast ram, 2Mb chip. Got it currently
    hooked to a Asus 22" lcd that can do 15khz via a Amiga-VGA adaptor.

    Pondering if I should put the Cybervision RTG card into her.

    I can't see any reason you shouldn't, except for maybe cost?


    Oh, no I did, but I spent most of my time occupying various administration buildings... smoking a lot of thai stick... breaking into the ROTC... and bowling. To tell you the truth Brandt, I don't remember most of it.
    - The Dude, "The Big Lebowski"

    --
    Brightening the BBS world since 1990
    - Bex <3


    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.49
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (21:1/137)
  • From Bex@21:1/137 to Vk3jed on Friday, September 02, 2022 20:17:00
    Vk3jed wrote to boraxman <=-

    @MSGID: <6310931D.34428.fsxnet_fsx_gen@digitaldistortionbbs.com>
    @REPLY: <630E0D65.34399.fsxnet_fsx_gen@digitaldistortionbbs.com>
    @TZ: 0258

    I'm not a big fan of interactive posting. I discovered QWK (and later Bluewave) offline mail in my first year of BBSing and never looked
    back. :)

    Amen to that! I started using Q-Blue as a QWK/Blue Wave reader on the Amiga
    for years and years - I kept an old A1000 around just so I could use
    Q-Blue. I got into BBSing my first year in college - 1990. Now thatI built
    an emulated Amiga 4000, the second thing that I installed was Q-Blue 2.4.

    My biggest problem with writing messages while online is I am constantly
    pulled away from my computer. I might start typing something, then have to
    go do a task, then forget what I was doing and go get lunch, and by the
    time I get back to my computer the connection to the BBS had been
    terminated an hour ago.

    Fortunately Q-Blue and MultiMail will wait for me to come back. :)


    "I doubt any of us will get out of here alive."
    "You should never ever doubt what nobody is sure about."
    - "Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory"

    --
    Brightening the BBS world since 1990
    - Bex <3


    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.49
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (21:1/137)
  • From Bex@21:1/137 to vorlon on Friday, September 02, 2022 13:54:00
    vorlon wrote to Bex <=-

    @MSGID: <631017C4.34424.fsxnet_fsx_gen@digitaldistortionbbs.com>
    @REPLY: <630E6FEB.34404.fsxnet_fsx_gen@digitaldistortionbbs.com>
    @TZ: 0258
    Hi Bex,

    I'm currently in the process of re-building my Amiga 4000 setup after
    the MB sufferd from those damm caps leaking...

    Yeah, the horror stories of leaking caps made me decide to emulate an A4000 instead of going the hardware route. I've restored enough computers in my
    life, I just want something that works.

    Plus, my 7 year old laptop is still hundreds of times faster than an
    actual A4000. :)

    Have now got the old thing back, installed a 120Gb IDE hd and put os
    3.1 on it, the A3660, 12Mb of Fast ram, 2Mb chip. Got it currently
    hooked to a Asus 22" lcd that can do 15khz via a Amiga-VGA adaptor.

    Pondering if I should put the Cybervision RTG card into her.

    I can't see any reason you shouldn't, except for maybe cost?


    Oh, no I did, but I spent most of my time occupying various administration buildings... smoking a lot of thai stick... breaking into the ROTC... and bowling. To tell you the truth Brandt, I don't remember most of it.
    - The Dude, "The Big Lebowski"

    --
    Brightening the BBS world since 1990
    - Bex <3


    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.49
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (21:1/137)
  • From Bex@21:1/137 to Vk3jed on Friday, September 02, 2022 20:17:00
    Vk3jed wrote to boraxman <=-

    @MSGID: <6310931D.34428.fsxnet_fsx_gen@digitaldistortionbbs.com>
    @REPLY: <630E0D65.34399.fsxnet_fsx_gen@digitaldistortionbbs.com>
    @TZ: 0258

    I'm not a big fan of interactive posting. I discovered QWK (and later Bluewave) offline mail in my first year of BBSing and never looked
    back. :)

    Amen to that! I started using Q-Blue as a QWK/Blue Wave reader on the Amiga
    for years and years - I kept an old A1000 around just so I could use
    Q-Blue. I got into BBSing my first year in college - 1990. Now thatI built
    an emulated Amiga 4000, the second thing that I installed was Q-Blue 2.4.

    My biggest problem with writing messages while online is I am constantly
    pulled away from my computer. I might start typing something, then have to
    go do a task, then forget what I was doing and go get lunch, and by the
    time I get back to my computer the connection to the BBS had been
    terminated an hour ago.

    Fortunately Q-Blue and MultiMail will wait for me to come back. :)


    "I doubt any of us will get out of here alive."
    "You should never ever doubt what nobody is sure about."
    - "Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory"

    --
    Brightening the BBS world since 1990
    - Bex <3


    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.49
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (21:1/137)
  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to Bex on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 10:39:17
    Hi Bex,

    I'm currently in the process of re-building my Amiga 4000 setup
    after the MB sufferd from those damm caps leaking...

    Yeah, the horror stories of leaking caps made me decide to emulate an
    A4000 instead of going the hardware route. I've restored enough
    computers in my life, I just want something that works.

    If they are caught early enough, then restoring them is like having a new machine. Luckly mine was only minor, but enough to cause issues. The mb
    now looks fresh and clean.

    Plus, my 7 year old laptop is still hundreds of times faster than an
    actual A4000. :)

    There is nothing wrong with running some emulation system's. I've got
    Amithlon runnin on one, and if you saw my recent post in the retro area.
    I announced the relase of AmiDeb, a bare linux system running FS-UAE.

    Pondering if I should put the Cybervision RTG card into her.

    I can't see any reason you shouldn't, except for maybe cost?

    There's no cost, as I already own one. Purchased many years ago (At least
    8+ years ago, so long before the crazy prices they go for now)....





    \/orlon
    aka
    Stephen


    --- Talisman v0.43-dev (Linux/m68k)
    * Origin: Vorlon Empire: Amiga 3000 powered in Sector 550 (21:1/195.1)
  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Gamgee on Monday, September 05, 2022 21:23:00
    Hello Gamgee!

    ** On Monday 05.09.22 - 09:34, Gamgee wrote to Ogg:

    Yep, well your snarky comment, with no context provided,
    doesn't change the fact that attempting to read a FidoNet
    echo that is being posted to with Telegram is an exercise
    in futility. The complete lack of quoting and context
    makes it completely unusable.

    Sorry to hear you feel that way about my comment. I was just
    proving that perhaps you didn't understand what threaded
    messages look like with a capable reader.


    You can argue all you want, and post jumbled up gibberish
    attempting to convince otherwise, but all one needs to do
    is to go look at one of these echos to see that I am right.
    It's really that simple.

    It's really simple to simply follow the timeline if you have no
    other way to understand it. The traffic in LITRPG is been
    quite sequential for the most part. It's really that simple.

    --- OpenXP 5.0.51
    * Origin: (} Pointy McPointFace (21:4/106.21)
  • From esc@21:4/173 to Bex on Monday, September 05, 2022 22:50:45
    Yeah, the horror stories of leaking caps made me decide to emulate an A4000 instead of going the hardware route. I've restored enough
    computers in my life, I just want something that works.

    Yes...the caps issue is a nightmare. I like to restore and modify vintage computers and game consoles and the frequency at which something just decides to up and fail on me is unsettling lol.

    Plus, my 7 year old laptop is still hundreds of times faster than an actual A4000. :)

    Yes! Emulation is great. I have a soft spot for actual hardware and love all things vintage so my game room is teeming with gear, but I probably use emulation more than all of those things anyway.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/07/11 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: m O N T E R E Y b B S . c O M (21:4/173)
  • From esc@21:4/173 to vorlon on Monday, September 05, 2022 22:52:01
    If they are caught early enough, then restoring them is like having a new machine. Luckly mine was only minor, but enough to cause issues. The mb now looks fresh and clean.

    The trick is restoring them /well/ - there's a bit of an art and a science to working with electronic components, something I've had to learn the hard way. But it was important to me to be able to maintain all my equipment, which unfortunately meant along the way I'd have to make some (costly) mistakes. But that's the only way to hone my craft...

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/07/11 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: m O N T E R E Y b B S . c O M (21:4/173)
  • From claw@21:1/210 to Bex on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 13:37:27
    On 01 Sep 2022, Bex said the following...
    Unfortunately, that is exactly right. Using Juice SSH on my android
    device I can SSH into my Linux box and then use ncurses SyncTerm to get
    to other boards, but the display and the keyboard are so small that it isn't worth it.

    What I have found is setting up ftelnet seems to be the best option for getting on from mobile. It's still not great but does work.

    |23|04Dr|16|12Claw
    |16|14Sysop |12Noverdu |14BBS |04(|14Noverdu.com|04)
    |10Standard Ports for SSH/Telnet Web/HTTP://|14Noverdu.com:808
    |20|15fsxNet/MRC Chat/Registered Doors!/50Nodes/No Time Use! Stay On!|16|07

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Noverdu BBS (21:1/210)
  • From acn@21:3/127.1 to Ogg on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 20:30:00
    Am 03.09.22 schrieb Ogg@21:4/106.21 in FSX_GEN:

    Hallo Ogg,

    If anyone needs proof of what I'm saying, take a 2-minute
    peek at the "RPG Literature" echo. You won't need the
    whole 2 minutes, either.

    References of "Right. So, now all Sharon needs to do is"
    [OpenXP thread tree]
    No problem.

    If I see the thread view correctly, it really shows one problem: the
    subject of the thread changes with (almost) every message.
    Why is that happening?

    Regards,
    Anna

    --- OpenXP 5.0.56
    * Origin: Imzadi Box Point (21:3/127.1)
  • From acn@21:3/127.1 to Bex on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 20:37:00
    Am 01.09.22 schrieb Bex@21:1/137 in FSX_GEN:

    Hallo Bex,

    A new method of getting into Fidonet could lead to new users, which could lead to new ideas, which could lead to a further evolution of Fidonet.

    I say bring it on!

    Hmm. My BBS is running Synchronet and this features a web frontend
    (actually a older and a newer one, I'm using the newer one).

    So, you can log in via a web browser and browse files and messages
    even from a smartphone (as it is a 'responsive design' website).
    You can open a thread view and even reply (even with simple quoting).

    So in this case, it is already possible to use FidoNet and/or FSXnet
    in another way than just via a telnet client or point program.

    Regards,
    Anna

    PS. it's https://box.imzadi.de, you just have to register via the
    classic BBS frontend first

    --- OpenXP 5.0.56
    * Origin: Imzadi Box Point (21:3/127.1)
  • From Bex@21:1/137 to Gamgee on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 16:48:00
    Gamgee wrote to Bex <=-

    @MSGID: <63120C85.34455.fsxnet_fsx_gen@digitaldistortionbbs.com>
    @REPLY: <6311FCC7.34451.fsxnet_fsx_gen@digitaldistortionbbs.com>
    @TZ: fed4
    Bex wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I've seen it in alernate nets, I've seen it on The Well. It boils
    down to people being afraid of change. New users are new users,

    Perhaps some resistance to change, yes.

    :)

    A new method of getting into Fidonet could lead to new users,

    Have you actually *looked* at an echo on Fidonet which caters to
    posting from a mobile device (I guess it's usually 'Telegram')? If
    not, you should. You might change your thinking if you see the mess

    What I did not say is whether any of the existing or up-and-coming
    solutions are any good. :)

    -+- Brightening your day. -Bex <3

    ... *Leela: This toads the wet sprocket.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.49
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (21:1/137)
  • From Bex@21:1/137 to Arelor on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 17:10:00
    Arelor wrote to Bex <=-

    with oranges as Classy Oranges Inc.

    You don't get new youg customers by turning into an Orange company
    because you are not going to be better at it than other Orange
    companies. You get them by reaching to them and convincing them that peaches are fucking awesome.

    I hear what you are saying, but your metaphor is a little faulty. In this
    case, I'm not talking about turning into an orange company. Instead, we're saying that peaches are still 95% of the business, but there's one small section for people who are looking for oranges. The youngsters walk into
    the store, buy some oranges, but see so many types of peaches that they
    decide they want to try some.


    -+- Brightening your day. -Bex <3

    ... *Slartibartfast: It may disturb you. It scares the willies out of me.
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.49
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (21:1/137)
  • From Bex@21:1/137 to Adept on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 18:28:00
    Adept wrote to Gamgee <=-

    But I like the idea of BBS technology evolving a bit. I like various
    old things about BBSs (e.g., the lack of pictures is a _feature_), but it'd be nice for the technology to improve.

    The forum seems like it would've been a perfect vector to extend something
    like nets to. FidoNet seems like it would naturally migrate to any of the various forum packages (e.g. phpBB, MyBB, etc). I converted the message
    boards from one of my old BBS's to a phpBB system - and it actually kept
    most of our community for a few months before petering out.

    But I think this is also a bit of one of those age-old arguments here, with people wanting to preserve the old versus people wanting to extend what's there, possibly in ways that might affect the old.

    I actually wouldn't be surprised if there were some phpBB to FidoNet gateways... Since there are mobile clients for phpBB, that would make a
    perfect web-based FidoNet entry...

    But I digress.


    -+- Brightening your day. -Bex <3

    ... *"But you ain't got no legs, Lt. Dan"%- Forrest Gump
    --- MultiMail/Linux v0.49
    * Origin: Digital Distortion: digdist.synchro.net (21:1/137)
  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to esc on Wednesday, September 07, 2022 10:38:20
    Hi esc,

    If they are caught early enough, then restoring them is like
    having a new machine. Luckly mine was only minor, but enough to
    cause issues. The mb now looks fresh and clean.

    The trick is restoring them /well/ - there's a bit of an art and a
    science to working with electronic components, something I've had to

    I sent my boards away to get done. Yes I know how to solder etc, but I'm
    just not that confident/willing to work on these things with how old they
    are. The A600 had some nice green junk on it, and had to have a bath.
    It's now back and working 100%... I need to re-set her up, but have been playing with the A4000 & A3000 testing new linux kernel's...


    I've been watching "Chris Edwards Restoration" on youtube and what he has managed to recover has been amazing...

    learn the hard way. But it was important to me to be able to
    maintain all my equipment, which unfortunately meant along the way I'd
    have to make some (costly) mistakes. But that's the only way to
    hone my craft...

    That's why I sent my boards away %-; I just didn't want to risk making
    more of a mess, and with how much boards are going for even *IF* I could
    locate one... $-<




    \/orlon
    aka
    Stephen


    --- Talisman v0.43-dev (Linux/m68k)
    * Origin: Vorlon Empire: Amiga 3000 powered in Sector 550 (21:1/195.1)
  • From esc@21:4/173 to vorlon on Wednesday, September 07, 2022 00:08:00
    I sent my boards away to get done. Yes I know how to solder etc, but I'm just not that confident/willing to work on these things with how old they are. The A600 had some nice green junk on it, and had to have a bath.
    It's now back and working 100%... I need to re-set her up, but have been playing with the A4000 & A3000 testing new linux kernel's...

    Soldering ain't easy for someone that has a bit of hand tremor and not great vision lol. But, "working on things" brings me joy so I fight through it. My A4000 needs a recap badly and there is some green fuzz in there, can't say I'm thrilled about that. I tried to neutralize it with alcohol and a toothbrush but it still seems to be on there. I wonder if at some point it makes sense to pull the chips of the mobo and source a reproduction PCB. Maybe that can come later.

    You're using linux on your A4000 and A3000? Now I'm super curious lol. What linux distro? What kernels? Is it on the stock 030/040 CPUs? How well is other hardware chips, etc., understood by the kernel?

    I've been watching "Chris Edwards Restoration" on youtube and what he has managed to recover has been amazing...

    Indeed, that guy is a machine. His videos are all very impressive. Also, I think he made Pimiga which is super neat.

    That's why I sent my boards away %-; I just didn't want to risk making more of a mess, and with how much boards are going for even *IF* I could locate one... $-<

    Yeah, it's a catch-22. I have recently begun picking up old non-functional CRT monitors to try to restore since people just trash them and typically it's something simple, but I've probably almost electrocuted myself to death a half dozen times by now. Yeah, there's a reason the experts are considered experts hehe.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/07/11 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: m O N T E R E Y b B S . c O M (21:4/173)
  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Bex on Wednesday, September 07, 2022 04:38:12
    Re: Re: Join Networks
    By: Bex to Arelor on Tue Sep 06 2022 05:10 pm

    I hear what you are saying, but your metaphor is a little faulty. In this case, I'm not talking about turning into an orange company. Instead, we're saying that peaches are still 95% of the business, but there's one small section for people who are looking for oranges. The youngsters walk into
    the store, buy some oranges, but see so many types of peaches that they decide they want to try some.


    More likely, they just browse their regular grocery store (let's call it Oogle Lay, from the Ndroid franchise), look for oranges only, and discard your Oranges as weird stuff nobody wants to touch with a six feet pole.

    --
    gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (21:2/138)
  • From boraxman@21:1/101 to Bex on Wednesday, September 07, 2022 22:10:32
    You don't get new youg customers by turning into an Orange company because you are not going to be better at it than other Orange companies. You get them by reaching to them and convincing them that peaches are fucking awesome.

    I hear what you are saying, but your metaphor is a little faulty. In this case, I'm not talking about turning into an orange company. Instead,
    we're saying that peaches are still 95% of the business, but there's one small section for people who are looking for oranges. The youngsters
    walk into the store, buy some oranges, but see so many types of peaches that they decide they want to try some.



    You want people to come why? Are they missing out on something? What is in it for them?

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/24 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Bex on Wednesday, September 07, 2022 19:47:00
    On 09-02-22 20:17, Bex wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Amen to that! I started using Q-Blue as a QWK/Blue Wave reader on the Amiga for years and years - I kept an old A1000 around just so I could
    use Q-Blue. I got into BBSing my first year in college - 1990. Now
    thatI built an emulated Amiga 4000, the second thing that I installed
    was Q-Blue 2.4.

    I started with SLMR reading QWK packets, then upgraded to Bluewave, with Bluewave packets, where available. Now I run Multimail, though using QWKE packets these days. :)

    My biggest problem with writing messages while online is I am
    constantly pulled away from my computer. I might start typing
    something, then have to go do a task, then forget what I was doing and
    go get lunch, and by the time I get back to my computer the connection
    to the BBS had been terminated an hour ago.

    Fortunately Q-Blue and MultiMail will wait for me to come back. :)

    Yep, very convenient. :)


    ... If you've seen one city slum, you've seen them all.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.10-Linux
    * Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (21:1/109)
  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to acn on Thursday, September 08, 2022 18:09:00
    Hello acn!

    ** On Tuesday 06.09.22 - 20:30, acn wrote to Ogg:

    References of "Right. So, now all Sharon needs to do is"
    [OpenXP thread tree]
    No problem.

    If I see the thread view correctly, it really shows one
    problem: the subject of the thread changes with (almost)
    every message. Why is that happening?

    First, anyone in Fidonet can change a subject, or have none all
    too for that matter. ;)

    But from the Tg side, the challenge is to provide a reasonable
    Subject to fit the Fidonet expectation of having one (or not),
    when the Tg environment operates without needing a Subject.

    But Stas made a very clever innovation and simply uses the
    first 40 chars of the body of the message as the Subject.
    Looking at it from the Fidoside, it serves to be a kind of
    message preview. I think it's good and better than absolutely
    nothing, or just three dots which was the result of earlier
    implementations.

    Further along into development the feature to actually include
    a Subject was added.

    Now, IF a TgBBS user fails to enter a Subject, the system will
    take the 1st 40 chars of the message. Otherwise, the TgBBS
    user can enter one if they want.

    What particularly one (and only one) user is doing in the
    LITRPG echo is failing to enter a Subject *and* not using the
    typical R)eply feature to some messages. :(

    However it's fairly straight forward to follow the thread since
    most messages are FEW, and chronological and in sequence, and
    MSGID and REPLYIDs are utilized.

    Further discussion about all this is best in the dedicated Fido FIDONET.TELEGRAM echo.

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Ogg on Thursday, September 08, 2022 19:39:00
    Ogg wrote to acn <=-

    If I see the thread view correctly, it really shows one
    problem: the subject of the thread changes with (almost)
    every message. Why is that happening?

    First, anyone in Fidonet can change a subject, or have none all
    too for that matter. ;)

    True, but irrelevant. It only happens with Telegram users.

    But from the Tg side, the challenge is to provide a reasonable
    Subject to fit the Fidonet expectation of having one (or not),
    when the Tg environment operates without needing a Subject.

    So..... Telegram is admittedly broken.

    But Stas made a very clever innovation and simply uses the
    first 40 chars of the body of the message as the Subject.

    That's not an "innovation", it's a KLUDGE. A very poor one.

    Looking at it from the Fidoside, it serves to be a kind of
    message preview. I think it's good and better than absolutely
    nothing, or just three dots which was the result of earlier implementations.

    No, it just further contributes to the dumpster fire that any echo with Telegram users turns into.

    Further along into development the feature to actually include
    a Subject was added.

    Oh! But apparently it doesn't work? Very confusing, you've claimed two different things on this, right in this very message.

    Now, IF a TgBBS user fails to enter a Subject, the system will
    take the 1st 40 chars of the message.

    Which turns the threading functions into garbage.

    What particularly one (and only one) user is doing in the
    LITRPG echo is failing to enter a Subject *and* not using the
    typical R)eply feature to some messages. :(

    That person should be prevented from posting.

    However it's fairly straight forward to follow the thread since
    most messages are FEW, and chronological and in sequence, and
    MSGID and REPLYIDs are utilized.

    But, the thread CAN'T be followed, because there is NO QUOTING or
    CONTEXT visible. Just random one-line "messages" that have ZERO
    relation to anything.

    Further discussion about all this is best in the dedicated Fido FIDONET.TELEGRAM echo.

    Yes, that way it won't get wide coverage/discussion, and the "masses"
    will continue to not know what a mess it is.


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  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to esc on Friday, September 09, 2022 23:24:20
    Hi esc,

    My A4000 needs a recap badly and there is some green fuzz in there,
    can't say I'm thrilled about that. I tried to neutralize it with
    alcohol and a toothbrush but it still seems to be on there. I wonder if
    at some point it makes sense to pull the chips of the mobo and source a reproduction PCB. Maybe that can come later.

    The fuzz will be under the chips and sockets. So more work is needed.

    It's now back and working 100%... I need to re-set her up, but
    have been playing with the A4000 & A3000 testing new linux
    kernel's...

    You're using linux on your A4000 and A3000? Now I'm super curious lol.
    What linux distro? What kernels? Is it on the stock 030/040 CPUs? How
    well is other hardware chips, etc., understood by the kernel?

    Yes. I've got Debian 11 installed on the A3000 as the main os, and the
    A4000 changes between 3.1 and debian. The lastest working kernel is 5.15,
    and I've been testing/reporting issues with the latter ones 5.18/5.19
    crash due to a regression. Still working with the guys on the debian m68k mailing list to sort it out.

    Both machhines are running 68040's @ 40mhz, so slow is a understatement compaired to todays machines.

    I've been watching "Chris Edwards Restoration" on youtube and
    what he has managed to recover has been amazing...

    Indeed, that guy is a machine. His videos are all very impressive.
    Also, I think he made Pimiga which is super neat.

    Perhaps contact him to get your board looked at?

    That's why I sent my boards away %-; I just didn't want to risk
    making more of a mess, and with how much boards are going for even
    *IF* I could locate one... $-<

    Yeah, it's a catch-22. I have recently begun picking up old
    non-functional CRT monitors to try to restore since people just trash
    them and typically it's something simple, but I've probably almost electrocuted myself to death a half dozen times by now. Yeah, there's
    a reason the experts are considered experts hehe.

    I lost a C= 1084s at the start of the year. Cracked board, leaking caps,
    dead HT, broken ring around the crt neck....



    \/orlon
    aka
    Stephen


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  • From esc@21:4/173 to vorlon on Friday, September 09, 2022 12:01:26
    Yes. I've got Debian 11 installed on the A3000 as the main os, and the A4000 changes between 3.1 and debian. The lastest working kernel is 5.15, and I've been testing/reporting issues with the latter ones 5.18/5.19 crash due to a regression. Still working with the guys on the debian m68k mailing list to sort it out.

    Wow, fascinating. I'd love to see some videos if you have any means/interest to make some :)

    Both machhines are running 68040's @ 40mhz, so slow is a understatement compaired to todays machines.

    I'm curious, what's the benefit of using linux on these machines in that case? To me the value prop of Amiga hardware is running Amiga software natively. That's not to say I would be unable to appreciate linux on these devices, I'm actually a fan of the concept as it would be fun to figure out.

    Perhaps contact him to get your board looked at?

    Not a terrible idea, actually. I usually chat with Acill but he's super busy at the moment and unable to take any additional work. This is unfortunate because he is actually located somewhat close to me which makes me much less fearful about shipping.

    I lost a C= 1084s at the start of the year. Cracked board, leaking caps, dead HT, broken ring around the crt neck....

    Yikes. Shame. They're good monitors, I really like mine. Maybe I should take another look and do some preventive maintenance.

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  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to esc on Sunday, September 11, 2022 11:28:23
    Hi esc,

    Yes. I've got Debian 11 installed on the A3000 as the main os,
    and the A4000 changes between 3.1 and debian. The lastest working
    kernel is 5.15, and I've been testing/reporting issues with the
    latter ones 5.18/5.19 crash due to a regression. Still working with
    the guys on th debian m68k mailing list to sort it out.

    Wow, fascinating. I'd love to see some videos if you have any
    means/interest to make some :)

    I don't have that means to, and really they would be slow and boring...

    It takes Linux 15 minutes to boot to a login prompt. I have the startup-sequence run amiboot to boot directly into linux, so that no
    Amiga OS things are in the way.

    Both machhines are running 68040's @ 40mhz, so slow is a
    understatement compaired to todays machines.

    I'm curious, what's the benefit of using linux on these machines in
    that case?

    Beacuse I can! Something to try! The fun of doing it! (Oh, the head
    scratching to get it going.....)

    To me the value prop of Amiga hardware is running Amiga software
    natively. That's not to say I would be unable to appreciate linux on
    these devices, I'm actually a fan of the concept as it would be fun to figure out.

    Oh, I've ran my share of Amiga software on native Amiga OS. My first
    "Big" computer was a Amiga 2000 back in the day that got heavly expanded.

    I just wanted to try and see if I could get linux going on an Amiga.



    \/orlon
    aka
    Stephen


    --- Talisman v0.43-dev (Linux/m68k)
    * Origin: Vorlon Empire: Amiga 3000 powered in Sector 550 (21:1/195.1)
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Arelor on Monday, August 29, 2022 18:16:00
    It is not FSXNET or DoveNET, but Micronet is far from deadly quiet. It has regular posters and everything.

    I'd have to say yeah.. nah for the six months or so I was joined to the Micronet Hip I think its pretty safe for me to say in most areas the only messsages were either my own "hello is there anybody out there" or the daily messages I pumped into the weather echo over the same time.

    Its good that your findings exceed mine apparently hand over fist it means there might be some point in someone else trying. I also have to freely
    admit I was told after some point that messages came and went with the season...


    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to vorlon on Sunday, September 11, 2022 18:51:00
    Yes. I've got Debian 11 installed on the A3000 as the main os, and the A4000 changes between 3.1 and debian. The lastest working kernel is 5.15, and I've been testing/reporting issues with the latter ones 5.18/5.19

    I have no idea about the debian numbering system, but I'm a little surprised there's something that "seems" so recent for an 040.. Used to be YellowDog kicking around for 0x0 Macs... never tried it myself, I had some overlap with Mac's at AUSOM.. but was never a mac dude... I know at one stage the local
    Miga power users seemed to be raiding mac accelerators and macs themselves
    for faster parts... :) Not sure how much yellowdog would be useful on a amiga after the processor similarity is passed...

    Spec


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  • From Geri Atricks@21:4/102 to Blue White on Sunday, September 04, 2022 19:13:11
    Seems like there was one new sysop or user that joined in recent weeks that was generating a lot of traffic with some good discussion. He
    either disappeared or ran out of things to say.

    Yeah, that happens. Especially if the posted message doesn't garner any replys, then the posters just get frustrated and give up.

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  • From Charles Blackburn@21:1/221 to Geri Atricks on Sunday, October 02, 2022 08:27:21
    Re: Re: Join Networks
    By: Geri Atricks to Blue White on Sun Sep 04 2022 19:13:11


    Seems like there was one new sysop or user that joined in recent weeks that was generating a lot of traffic with some
    good discussion. He
    either disappeared or ran out of things to say.

    Yeah, that happens. Especially if the posted message doesn't garner any replys, then the posters just get frustrated and
    give up.

    i know what you mean.. there some that are just nuts for me like some of the debate stuff but i am trying to participate as much as i can too :D

    i know you wasnt talking about me, but just my tuppence

    regards
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