It just occured to me the person who wields the sword here calling himself
"Election Coordinator" has been nominated as a participant in that election an
has accepted that nomination.
I think someone else needs to be promoted to Election Coordinator.
Participating in an election while running it, even when done in the open, is
nono to me.
It just occured to me the person who wields the sword here calling himself "Election Coordinator" has been nominated as a participant in that election and has accepted that nomination.
I think someone else needs to be promoted to Election Coordinator.
Participating in an election while running it, even when done in the open, is a nono to me.
It just occured to me the person who wields the sword here calling himself "Election Coordinator" has been nominated as a participant in thatelection
and has accepted that nomination.
I think someone else needs to be promoted to Election Coordinator.
Participating in an election while running it, even when done in the open, is a nono to me.
It just occured to me the person who wields the sword here calling
himself "Election Coordinator" has been nominated as a participant in
that election and has accepted that nomination.
I think someone else needs to be promoted to Election Coordinator.
Participating in an election while running it, even when done in the
open, is a nono to me.
It's a little bit too late for that sudden inspiration. If the ZCs
prefer an election coordinator not involved with the FTSC, they should have taken care about that earlier.
It just occured to me the person who wields the sword here calling
himself "Election Coordinator" has been nominated as a participant in
that election and has accepted that nomination.
I think someone else needs to be promoted to Election Coordinator.
Participating in an election while running it, even when done in the
open, is a nono to me.
it is not eh ZC's place to do that... the rules and format were drawn
up by the FTSC years ago... it was never envisioned that one person
would be the chairperson for so long as well as having a seat on the committee...
Participating in an election while running it, even when done in the open, is a nono to me.
Participating in an election while running it, even when done in the
open, is a nono to me.
I'd suggest perhaps Nicholas Boel, (1:154/10) though I haven't asked him about it yet.
It's a little bit too late for that sudden inspiration. If the ZCs prefer an election coordinator not involved with the FTSC, they should have
taken care about that earlier.
The right to be elected is a highly valued good. Why would you make
someone let go of it, just because he is taking part in running the election? None of the election schemes I know of prohibits this.
It is my opinion
I think someone else needs to be promoted to Election Coordinator.exactly... this has been done several times in the past, as well...
Participating in an election while running it, even when done in
the open, is a nono to me.
wasn't there something about "too many hats"?
It's a little bit too late for that sudden inspiration. If the ZCs
prefer an election coordinator not involved with the FTSC, they should
have taken care about that earlier.
WTF are you dragging the ZCs into this...
Am I not allowed to have an individual sysop's opinion and voice it?
I would say it's a matter of intellectual honesty to step back if
someone else wants to do it, as suggested by Janis ... who also
happens to be an individual sysop with an opinion ...
Further, it's not the ZCs role to "take care of the FTSC".
Further, the first indication of an "Election Coordinator" posing as
an election coordinator was at 11:38:36 today.
I reacted at 14:50:28m that's within 3hrs 11mins 52secs ... hardly a timeframe worth mentioning and labeling as "It's a little bit too
late for that sudden inspiration".
Participating in an election while running it, even when done in the
open, is a nono to me.
I'd suggest perhaps Nicholas Boel, (1:154/10) though I haven't asked him
about it yet.
Hmmmm ... I kinda like that suggestion ...
I'd suggest perhaps Nicholas Boel, (1:154/10) though I haven't asked him ab it yet.
Hi Ward,
Participating in an election while running it, even when done in
open, is a nono to me.
I'd suggest perhaps Nicholas Boel, (1:154/10) though I haven't asked
about it yet.
Hmmmm ... I kinda like that suggestion ...
So do I. I like the idea of some freshness in the process.
On 23 Oct 17 09:41:32, Janis Kracht said the following to Ward Dossche:
I'd suggest perhaps Nicholas Boel, (1:154/10) though I haven't asked him ab >> it yet.
I wholeheartedly second that nomination.
I'd suggest perhaps Nicholas Boel, (1:154/10) though I haven't asked
about it yet.
Hmmmm ... I kinda like that suggestion ...
So do I. I like the idea of some freshness in the process.
And an appearance of fairness and honesty!
it is not eh ZC's place to do that... the rules and format were drawn
up by the FTSC years ago... it was never envisioned that one person
would be the chairperson for so long as well as having a seat on the
committee...
So is there is nothing in rules prohibiting this.
Who knows if this was "never envisioned" or "deliberately made
possible"?
And who cares?
If it is not prohibited, that's the way it is.
Hmmmm ... I kinda like that suggestion ...
So do I. I like the idea of some freshness in the process.
And an appearance of fairness and honesty!
Hmmmm ... I kinda like that suggestion ...
So do I. I like the idea of some freshness in the process.
And an appearance of fairness and honesty!
This is bad ... real baaaaad ... I'm agreeing here ... need more
alcohol, it'll go away. Hopefully. 8-)
If it is not prohibited, that's the way it is.
yeah, no...
This is bad ... real baaaaad ... I'm agreeing here ... need more
alcohol, it'll go away. Hopefully. 8-)
This is bad ... real baaaaad ... I'm agreeing here ... need more
alcohol, it'll go away. Hopefully. 8-)
What are you actually trying to accomplish with this campaign of
yours?
It is absolutely improper to run an election, participate in it as a candidate and be the judge of any potential complaint/objection that
might involve oneself.
Not here:
FTA-1002, par 3.1.4 (Responsibilities of the FTSC administrator)
4. Coordinating all membership nominations and voting.
It is absolutely improper to run an election, participate in it asNot here:
a candidate and be the judge of any potential complaint/objection
that might involve oneself.
FTA-1002, par 3.1.4 (Responsibilities of the FTSC administrator)
4. Coordinating all membership nominations and voting.
4. Coordinating all membership nominations and voting.
Sure ... it would have been proper to seek-out 2 individuals to run
that election and that would perfectly satisfy the above statement.
It's a clear case now of judge, jury and executioner while accepting
the role of participant/victim/accused too.
We can try to find two election coordinators for the next FTSC election. This year's election has already started.
Quite efficient ;) I wonder what you'd say about a RC insulting a node
and the insulted node filing a complaint as response (just as a case study). Another conflict of interests?
Unless we can motivate more nodes to wear a
hat and update our rules, we won't change anything. So it's just flogging
a dead horse for personal amusement?
It is absolutely improper to run an election, participate in it as a candidate and be the judge of any potential complaint/objection that might involve oneself.
Quite efficient ;) I wonder what you'd say about a RC insulting a
node and the insulted node filing a complaint as response (just as a
case study). Another conflict of interests?
I would say that your understanding of P4 is flawed ... it's quite
simple and not worthy of a case-study as the matter is verbatim dealt with in P4...
hat and update our rules, we won't change anything. So it's just
flogging a dead horse for personal amusement?
Is that a question or a statement ?
Has it even occured to you that I cannot file formal complaints ?
It just occured to me the person who wields the sword here calling himself "Election Coordinator" has been nominated as a participant in that election and has accepted that nomination.
I think someone else needs to be promoted to Election Coordinator.
Participating in an election while running it, even when done in the open, is a nono to me.
Has it even occured to you that I cannot file formal complaints ?
Another design issue.
Where was the indignation all these pervious years?
Where was the indignation all these pervious years?
I remember an instance where the current election coordinator was adamantly opposed to RCs running in the FTSC-elections.
Now he's one himself and suddenly it's OK ...
Odd ... no ?
No, be glad there are people in Fidonet who sufficiently understand
Fidonet technology and are capable of documenting that in standard documents.
How many are there that look at coming technologies and propose ways how these could be implemented in Fidonet?
In the not to far future all Fidonet functions will be filled by oneperson.
Not counting the ao-called backwards compatible ghosts still found haunting, I would argue that there are zero people currently running Fidonet.
If that were the case, we would not be having this exchange of
views.
Where was the indignation all these pervious years?I remember an instance where the current election coordinator was adamantly opposed to RCs running in the FTSC-elections.
Now he's one himself and suddenly it's OK ...
How many years has this Election coordinator been in
function for this task. How many times was this Election
coordinator up for reelection.
Where was the indignation all these pervious years?
How many nodes where on Fidonet back then, and how many are now?
Where was the indignation all these pervious years?
I brought it up in the 2015 election, but it was quickly dismissed by... The Election Coordinator.
Same way he bashed a discussion in the closed FTSC-echo ?
How many nodes where on Fidonet back then, and how many are now?I claim it is perfectly possible to find people to run an election if
one really wants to give it a try.
Same way he bashed a discussion in the closed FTSC-echo ?
I don't feel that it would be proper to disclose what happens in a
private echo without the consent of the moderator, even though I am no longer a member.
Same way he bashed a discussion in the closed FTSC-echo ?
I don't feel that it would be proper to disclose what happens in a
private echo without the consent of the moderator, even though I am
no longer a member.
Even when the moderator does the bashing ?
Nevertheless it doesn't justify the procedure. There are people willing to run such an election ...
How many are there that look at coming technologies and propose ways
how these could be implemented in Fidonet?
That is 'not' the mission of the FTSC, and I quote:
"The main task of the FTSC is to document current practise. Contrary to what the name suggests, the FTSC does not create standards out of the blue. Current Fidonet practise evolves and when it has stabilized, it may become a standard through FTSC documentation."
Not counting the ao-called backwards compatible ghosts still found haunting, I would argue that there are zero people currently running Fidonet.
In the not to far future all Fidonet functions will be filled by one
person.
Quoting The Platters who said it best:
They, said some day you'll find
All who love are blind
When you heart's on fire
You must realize
Smoke gets in your eyes
How many years has this Election coordinator been in
function for this task. How many times was this Election
coordinator up for reelection.
Where was the indignation all these pervious years?
I brought it up in the 2015 election, but it was quickly dismissed by... The Election Coordinator.
You will notice the importent ones until they perish.
So others then can ignore what is documentend, claiming the
docoment dp not document current practice.
Everybody goes back to sleep until the next year, a total waste ofenergy.
Janis,
Participating in an election while running it, even when done in
the open, is a nono to me.
I'd suggest perhaps Nicholas Boel, (1:154/10) though I haven't asked
him about it yet.
Hmmmm ... I kinda like that suggestion ...
How many years has this Election coordinator been in
function for this task. How many times was this Election
coordinator up for reelection.
Where was the indignation all these pervious years?
I brought it up in the 2015 election, but it was quickly dismissed by... The Election Coordinator.
Should it be a FTSC only member vote?
MVDL has literally 4 hats on this one. He's Moderator (public and private echos), FTSC head, FTSC Member (can handle that) but also voting RC.
In the eventuality that he gets elected, I would love to see how it
goes when someone objects his election ... there is a strong odour the deck of cards is stacked.
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