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Publication: FSP-1041.001
Revision: 1
Title: The BEER nodelist flag
Author(s): FTSC Members, Administrator and Honoured Guests
Issue Date: 01 April 2018 =====================================================================


Status:

This document is a Fidonet Standards Proposal (FSP) - it specifies
the best current practices for the Fidonet community, and requests
discussion and suggestions for improvements. It is released to the
public domain, and may be used, copied or modified for any purpose
whatever.


Contents:
0. Introduction.
1. The problem.
2. The solution.


0. Introduction.

The Fidonet consists of individual systems operated by different
people. To maintain proper connectivity, these systems should set
stationary trusted links between them to ensure smooth echomail
distribution.


1. The Problem

The problem is that sysops have to agree to set these stationary
links first, and this may require time-stretched discussion.


2. The solution.

The solution is the joint drinking beer during these discussions.
Many years of experience show us how greatly joint drinking beer
increases the mutual understanding, so this method definitely is
the common practice.

This is why the BEER nodelist flag is introduced. The most typical
syntax has no parameters, like ",CM,BEER,IBN,INA:...", which just
tells others that SysOp drinks beer. Some more complex applications
may require refinements and clarifications in the flag parameters,
like "BEER:dark_lager" or "BEER:mild_ale". Even the most preferred
snacks and other addons may be published, like "BEER:with_crisps".


References.

FTS-5000, "The distribution nodelist".
FTS-5001, "Nodelist flags and userflags".


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Title: The BEER nodelist flag

Finally.

This is why the BEER nodelist flag is introduced. The most typical
syntax has no parameters, like ",CM,BEER,IBN,INA:...", which just
tells others that SysOp drinks beer. Some more complex applications
may require refinements and clarifications in the flag parameters,
like "BEER:dark_lager" or "BEER:mild_ale". Even the most preferred
snacks and other addons may be published, like "BEER:with_crisps".

I would like to see this extenced with:

BEER:XII meaning "drinks WestVleteren Dark trappist ale 12 degrees"
BEER:LEFFE_D " "drinks Leffe Dark"
BEER:LEFFE " "any other variety of Leffe"
BEER:GRIM_VV " "drinks Grimbergen 'van het vat' (draft), not from
a bottle"

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Good ${greeting_time}, Ward!

01 Apr 2018 09:58:22, you wrote to me:

This is why the BEER nodelist flag is introduced. The most typical
syntax has no parameters, like ",CM,BEER,IBN,INA:...", which just
tells others that SysOp drinks beer. Some more complex applications
may require refinements and clarifications in the flag parameters,
like "BEER:dark_lager" or "BEER:mild_ale". Even the most preferred
snacks and other addons may be published, like "BEER:with_crisps".

I would like to see this extenced with:
BEER:XII meaning "drinks WestVleteren Dark trappist ale 12
degrees"
BEER:LEFFE_D " "drinks Leffe Dark"
BEER:LEFFE " "any other variety of Leffe"
BEER:GRIM_VV " "drinks Grimbergen 'van het vat' (draft), not
from a bottle"

You may put all four flags in your nodelist line, as they conform to ${subj}.


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Hi Alexey!

Apr 01 10:00 2018, Alexey Vissarionov wrote to All:

This is why the BEER nodelist flag is introduced. The most typical
syntax has no parameters, like ",CM,BEER,IBN,INA:...", which just
tells others that SysOp drinks beer. Some more complex applications
may require refinements and clarifications in the flag parameters,
like "BEER:dark_lager" or "BEER:mild_ale". Even the most preferred
snacks and other addons may be published, like "BEER:with_crisps".

I'd prefer "TEA:green".

ciao,
Markus

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Hello Markus!

01 Apr 18 18:51, Markus Reschke wrote to Alexey Vissarionov:

snacks and other addons may be published, like "BEER:with_crisps".

I'd prefer "TEA:green".

I'd vote for "EarlGrey:hot".


Regards,
Gerrit

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Good ${greeting_time}, Markus!

01 Apr 2018 18:51:28, you wrote to me:

This is why the BEER nodelist flag is introduced. The most typical
syntax has no parameters, like ",CM,BEER,IBN,INA:...", which just
tells others that SysOp drinks beer. Some more complex applications
may require refinements and clarifications in the flag parameters,
like "BEER:dark_lager" or "BEER:mild_ale". Even the most preferred
snacks and other addons may be published, like "BEER:with_crisps".

I'd prefer "TEA:green".

That's for work. And ${subj} is for a hobby.


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Hi Alexey!

01 Apr 2018 10:00, from Alexey Vissarionov -> All:

Publication: FSP-1041.001
Title: The BEER nodelist flag
Issue Date: 01 April 2018

Alexey ... very bad timing releasing this on April 1st.
This useful flag may be mistaken as a April fools joke!

BEER:IPA

Or when I am in Belgium BEER:LEFFE_DARK

Sadly the times of frequent Antwerp visits are gone with my last job change.

Cheers!

CU, Ricsi

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Hello Markus!

01 Apr 18 18:51, you wrote to Alexey Vissarionov:

I'd prefer "TEA:green".

TEA:earl gray, hot.

;-)

Andrew


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On 04/01/18, Alexey Vissarionov pondered and said...

This document is a Fidonet Standards Proposal (FSP) - it specifies
the best current practices for the Fidonet community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. It is released to the
public domain, and may be used, copied or modified for any purpose whatever.

Love it :)

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Hello Andrew.

01 Apr 18 16:57, you wrote to Markus Reschke:

TEA:earl gray, hot.

TEA:EARL_GRAY_HOT

FIFY. :D

Later,
Sean

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Hello Alexey!

Title: The BEER nodelist flag
may require refinements and clarifications in the flag parameters,
like "BEER:dark_lager" or "BEER:mild_ale". Even the most preferred
snacks and other addons may be published, like "BEER:with_crisps".

Lovely idear. This flag will give the technical nodelist a personal note. ;)

[BEER:KELLER_BEER_1402]

Alexey V. Vissarionov aka Gremlin from Kremlin

Bye/2 Torsten

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Title: The BEER nodelist flag

My NC rejects it ... what now ?

Processing file /home/niels/Fidonet/Inbound.Secure/HUB_80.TXT
ERROR : invalid user flag BEER:XII for 2:292/854

\%/@rd

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Hello Sean!

01 Apr 18 19:02, Sean Dennis wrote to Andrew Leary:

TEA:earl gray, hot.

TEA:EARL_GRAY_HOT

^E

Please fix spelling typo. ;-)


Regards,
Gerrit

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Hello Ward!

02 Apr 18 06:10, you wrote to Alexey Vissarionov:

Title: The BEER nodelist flag

My NC rejects it ... what now ?

Processing file /home/niels/Fidonet/Inbound.Secure/HUB_80.TXT
ERROR : invalid user flag BEER:XII for 2:292/854

Sounds like your NC needs to update his ErrFlags control file. ;-)

Andrew

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Andrew,

My NC rejects it ... what now ?

Processing file /home/niels/Fidonet/Inbound.Secure/HUB_80.TXT
ERROR : invalid user flag BEER:XII for 2:292/854

Sounds like your NC needs to update his ErrFlags control file. ;-)

Yeah ... but after that there is the RC, and then there is the ZC too ...

\%/@rd

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Good ${greeting_time}, Ward!

02 Apr 2018 16:12:48, you wrote to Andrew Leary:

Processing file /home/niels/Fidonet/Inbound.Secure/HUB_80.TXT
ERROR : invalid user flag BEER:XII for 2:292/854

Sounds like your NC needs to update his ErrFlags control file. ;-)

Yeah ... but after that there is the RC, and then there is the ZC too

Are they all the slowpokes?


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Alexey,

Yeah ... but after that there is the RC, and then there is the ZC

too

Are they all the slowpokes?

You have no idea ...

\%/@rd

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Re: Re: FSP-1041.001: The BEER nodelist flag
By: Ward Dossche to Alexey Vissarionov on Sun Apr 01 2018 09:58 am

Title: The BEER nodelist flag

Finally.

This is why the BEER nodelist flag is introduced. The most typical
syntax has no parameters, like ",CM,BEER,IBN,INA:...", which just
tells others that SysOp drinks beer. Some more complex applications
may require refinements and clarifications in the flag parameters,
like "BEER:dark_lager" or "BEER:mild_ale". Even the most preferred
snacks and other addons may be published, like "BEER:with_crisps".

I would like to see this extenced with:

BEER:XII meaning "drinks WestVleteren Dark trappist ale 12 degrees"

Hey! You forgot ME!

Beer:Cheap Miller Lite

xxcarol
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Re: FSP-1041.001: The BEER nodelist flag
By: Gerrit Kuehn to Markus Reschke on Sun Apr 01 2018 08:32 pm

I'd vote for "EarlGrey:hot".

Ohh! How about TEA:HOT Lipton or Earl Grey

Trying to trim the nodelist (grin).

xxcarol
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Re: Re: FSP-1041.001: The BEER nodelist flag
By: Ward Dossche to Andrew Leary on Mon Apr 02 2018 04:12 pm

My NC rejects it ... what now ?

Processing file /home/niels/Fidonet/Inbound.Secure/HUB_80.TXT
ERROR : invalid user flag BEER:XII for 2:292/854

Sounds like your NC needs to update his ErrFlags control file. ;-)

Yeah ... but after that there is the RC, and then there is the ZC too ...

Umm, tell your NC to thwap your ZC on the head? Maybe with a BEER?

(smuffled giggles).
xxcarol
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Hello Carol!

05 May 18 15:17, Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

I'd vote for "EarlGrey:hot".

Ohh! How about TEA:HOT Lipton or Earl Grey
Trying to trim the nodelist (grin).

Fine by me (although I'm less a fan of Lipton ;-).


Regards,
Gerrit

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Yeah ... but after that there is the RC, and then there is the ZC

too ...

Umm, tell your NC to thwap your ZC on the head? Maybe with a BEER?

(smuffled giggles).

Talk about a dog chasing its own tail ... 8-)

\%/@rd

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BEER:XII meaning "drinks WestVleteren Dark trappist ale 12 degrees"

Hey! You forgot ME!

Beer:Cheap Miller Lite

You forgot the underscores.

\%/@rd

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Re: Re: FSP-1041.001: The BEER nodelist flag
By: Ward Dossche to Alexey Vissarionov on Sun Apr 01 2018 09:58 am

Title: The BEER nodelist flag

This is why the BEER nodelist flag is introduced. The most typical
syntax has no parameters, like ",CM,BEER,IBN,INA:...", which just
tells others that SysOp drinks beer. Some more complex applications
may require refinements and clarifications in the flag parameters,
like "BEER:dark_lager" or "BEER:mild_ale". Even the most preferred
snacks and other addons may be published, like "BEER:with_crisps".

BEER:XII meaning "drinks WestVleteren Dark trappist ale 12 degrees"

Hey! You forgot ME!
Beer:Cheap Miller Lite

Would this be shortened to BERR:Cheap American to include Miller, Lone Star, Brown Derby, PBR???

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Re: FSP-1041.001: The BEER nodelist flag
By: Gerrit Kuehn to Carol Shenkenberger on Sat May 05 2018 10:01 pm

I'd vote for "EarlGrey:hot".

Ohh! How about TEA:HOT Lipton or Earl Grey
Trying to trim the nodelist (grin).

Fine by me (although I'm less a fan of Lipton ;-).

At home, I drink tea and at work it's 'whatever cheap coffee plonk they got'.

Now after hours? I'm pretty sedate with my Miller Lite or the occassional bottle of wine. I know, not very exciting but you might find our local scuppernong wine of interest? It's a table wine. It's a somewhat sweet and fruity wine that probably classes close to the rose set.

xxcarol
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Re: Re: FSP-1041.001: The BEER nodelist flag
By: Ward Dossche to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun May 06 2018 09:12 am

Yeah ... but after that there is the RC, and then there is the ZC

too ...

Umm, tell your NC to thwap your ZC on the head? Maybe with a BEER?

(smuffled giggles).

Talk about a dog chasing its own tail ... 8-)

LOL! But we best behave or that evil FTSC person will get after us for having fun in his echo!

xxcarol
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Re: Re: FSP-1041.001: The BEER nodelist flag
By: Ward Dossche to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun May 06 2018 09:12 am

Hey! You forgot ME!

Beer:Cheap Miller Lite

You forgot the underscores.

Dang! Must have been all the Miller_Lite

xxcarol
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Re: Re: FSP-1041.001: The BEER nodelist flag
By: Phil Kimble to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun May 06 2018 12:20 am

Beer:Cheap Miller Lite

Would this be shortened to BERR:Cheap American to include Miller, Lone Star, Brown Derby, PBR???

How about BEER:CHEAP_PLONK

That work?

xxcarol
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Hello Carol!

06 May 18 10:46, Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

Fine by me (although I'm less a fan of Lipton ;-).

At home, I drink tea and at work it's 'whatever cheap coffee plonk
they got'.

I used to be pretty much tea-only, but this has been muddled for some years now
since decent bean-to-cup coffee machines became affordable.

Now after hours? I'm pretty sedate with my Miller Lite or the occassional bottle of wine. I know, not very exciting but you might find our local scuppernong wine of interest? It's a table wine. It's a somewhat sweet and fruity wine that probably classes close to the rose set.

I have to admit that I'm not a fan of most alcoholic beverage (esp. neither beer nor wine - yeah, I know, I'm certainly not a proper German... ;-), so that
one would definitely be wasted on me. I like to have a glass of cider sometimes, though.


Regards,
Gerrit

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