• Nominations open

    From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to All on Monday, November 12, 2018 14:24:00
    Hi, as i see, nominations are open.

    I nominate Markus Reschke (hope i spelled that right) 2:240/1661 for FTSC chair.

    xxcarol, FTSC standing member
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  • From Markus Reschke@2:240/1661 to Carol Shenkenberger on Monday, November 12, 2018 20:52:14
    Hi Carol!

    Nov 12 14:24 2018, Carol Shenkenberger wrote to All:

    I nominate Markus Reschke (hope i spelled that right) 2:240/1661 for
    FTSC chair.

    Thanks! But I'm wearing too many hats already and therefore I have to decline politely.

    ciao,
    Markus

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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Markus Reschke on Monday, November 12, 2018 23:22:22
    Good ${greeting_time}, Markus!

    12 Nov 2018 20:52:14, you wrote to Carol Shenkenberger:

    I nominate Markus Reschke (hope i spelled that right) 2:240/1661 for
    FTSC chair.
    Thanks! But I'm wearing too many hats already and therefore I have to decline politely.

    Then, possibly, Nick Andre could decline as well...


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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Markus Reschke on Monday, November 12, 2018 20:18:06
    Re: Nominations open
    By: Markus Reschke to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Nov 12 2018 08:52 pm

    Hi Carol!

    Nov 12 14:24 2018, Carol Shenkenberger wrote to All:

    I nominate Markus Reschke (hope i spelled that right) 2:240/1661 for
    FTSC chair.

    Thanks! But I'm wearing too many hats already and therefore I have to decline politely.

    Rats. I was hoping.... I think you would be good.
    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Alexey Vissarionov on Monday, November 12, 2018 20:20:01
    Re: Nominations open
    By: Alexey Vissarionov to Markus Reschke on Mon Nov 12 2018 11:22 pm

    I nominate Markus Reschke (hope i spelled that right) 2:240/1661
    for FTSC chair.
    Thanks! But I'm wearing too many hats already and therefore I have
    to decline politely.

    Then, possibly, Nick Andre could decline as well...

    Nick isnt running. He only offered to host the web repositorysite which is not the same thing.

    xxcarol
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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Carol Shenkenberger on Tuesday, November 13, 2018 08:40:40
    Good ${greeting_time}, Carol!

    12 Nov 2018 20:20:00, you wrote to me:

    I nominate Markus Reschke (hope i spelled that right) 2:240/1661
    for FTSC chair.
    Thanks! But I'm wearing too many hats already and therefore I have
    to decline politely.
    Then, possibly, Nick Andre could decline as well...
    Nick isnt running. He only offered to host the web repository site
    which is not the same thing.

    Yes, I see - he's totally unrelated to FTSC.


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Alexey Vissarionov on Tuesday, November 13, 2018 09:32:14
    Alexey,

    Then, possibly, Nick Andre could decline as well...
    Nick isnt running. He only offered to host the web repository site AV>CS> which is not the same thing.

    Yes, I see - he's totally unrelated to FTSC.

    As he is eligible for election as the administrator if someone eligible to nominate nominates him, he is very much related. Just as I and any other nodelisted sysop.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Ward Dossche on Tuesday, November 13, 2018 17:01:00
    Good ${greeting_time}, Ward!

    13 Nov 2018 09:32:14, you wrote to me:

    Yes, I see - he's totally unrelated to FTSC.
    As he is eligible for election as the administrator if someone
    eligible to nominate nominates him, he is very much related.
    Just as I and any other nodelisted sysop.

    Anyway, *Cs _should_ _not_ be neither members nor administrator.

    In general, that should be changed to "must not".


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Alexey Vissarionov on Tuesday, November 13, 2018 15:58:52
    Anyway, *Cs _should_ _not_ be neither members nor administrator.

    In general, that should be changed to "must not".

    Why not? And please no "Because it says so".

    The FTSC-administrator is a technical non-political job.

    In view of the dwindling numbers (since 2000 something we lost like 97% of the listed sysops) we're getting close to the point where "beggars can't be choosers" and one should be happy even just for getting volunteers for a particular job.

    Trust me ... as a ZC been there, done that, got the T-shirt.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Markus Reschke@2:240/1661 to Alexey Vissarionov on Tuesday, November 13, 2018 18:10:26
    Hi Alexey!

    Nov 13 17:01 2018, Alexey Vissarionov wrote to Ward Dossche:

    Anyway, *Cs _should_ _not_ be neither members nor administrator.

    In general, that should be changed to "must not".

    That would work if we would have more active nodes. The current situation calls
    for a compromise.

    ciao,
    Markus

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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Ward Dossche on Tuesday, November 13, 2018 20:20:20
    Good ${greeting_time}, Ward!

    13 Nov 2018 15:58:52, you wrote to me:

    Anyway, *Cs _should_ _not_ be neither members nor administrator.
    In general, that should be changed to "must not".
    Why not? And please no "Because it says so".
    The FTSC-administrator is a technical non-political job.

    But *C job is not.
    Also, the chairman is the moderator of FTSC echoarea.

    In view of the dwindling numbers (since 2000 something we lost
    like 97% of the listed sysops) we're getting close to the point
    where "beggars can't be choosers"

    Ughm... "beggars have no choice", or?
    Looks like a translated-back quote, but I can't recognize the source.

    and one should be happy even just for getting volunteers for a
    particular job.

    I bet whether I'd nominate someone from R50 (and it's much easier to find a volunteer there), the respectable public here will spit the shit...

    Trust me ... as a ZC been there, done that, got the T-shirt.

    As a R50 sysop been here, seen this, got some experience.


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.1 to Alexey Vissarionov on Tuesday, November 13, 2018 11:12:44
    I bet whether I'd nominate someone from R50 (and it's much easier to find a volunteer there), the respectable public here will spit the shit...

    I don't think that's true, but if they spew it they will certainly get it.

    If you have a volunteer in R50, by all means nominate them. They will need the support of the FTSC members to get the post.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Markus Reschke on Wednesday, November 14, 2018 00:41:06
    In general, that should be changed to "must not".

    That would work if we would have more active nodes.

    On the contrary, I would dare say.

    I've been NC2:203 since 1991 if memory serves me right (the longest lasting coordinator in fidonet perhaps?) and for more than a decade I've been RC20.

    According to P4 I've been "completely responsible for the smooth operation of the network" 2:203 and later on ditto for the region 2:20.

    I'd like to claim that long lasting, well performing coordinators can be very valuable to the FTSC. More so than any leaf node sysop. After all, this is
    why the ZCs have a standing invitation to take part of the FTSC work.

    It may be OK to be able to write FTN programs, but more importantly IMHO is the ability to oversee the "smooth operation" of our beloved Fidonet.



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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Björn Felten on Wednesday, November 14, 2018 00:58:41

    ... After all, this is why the ZCs have a standing invitation to take
    part of the FTSC work.

    Really ??

    \%/@rd

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Wednesday, November 14, 2018 01:05:31
    ... After all, this is why the ZCs have a standing invitation to take
    part of the FTSC work.

    Really ??

    Yes, really. Give or take some unfortunate mishaps. 8-)



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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Björn Felten on Wednesday, November 14, 2018 01:27:31
    ... After all, this is why the ZCs have a standing invitation to BF>BF>> take part of the FTSC work.

    Really ??

    Yes, really. Give or take some unfortunate mishaps. 8-)

    Let's not re-write history:

    1) First of all, I really had to argue a lot like around 10 years ago to become
    linked on the argumentation "How can you expect cooperation from ZCs if they are not linked and involved?". It was not automatic.

    2) The contributions from ZC1 and ZC2 in said echo are voluntarily and deliberatly scrapped by Michiel van der Vlist who is incompetent at leaving his
    personal grudges at the entrance door of something which should be technical.

    If the FTSC really wants ZCs to assist in reaching the FTSC mission statement, then a few of its members badly need to re-evaluate what they're doing there and consider not avoiding the issue of one of its members going over the cliff.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Alexey Vissarionov on Wednesday, November 14, 2018 00:42:06
    On 11-13-18 17:01, Alexey Vissarionov <=-
    spoke to Ward Dossche about Nominations open <=-

    As he is eligible for election as the administrator if someone
    eligible to nominate nominates him, he is very much related.
    Just as I and any other nodelisted sysop.

    Anyway, *Cs _should_ _not_ be neither members nor administrator.

    In general, that should be changed to "must not".

    With the shrinking size of Fidonet, such a change would be counter
    productive. There are not enough people who are willing and able to
    fill offices.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Ward Dossche on Wednesday, November 14, 2018 08:34:26

    On 2018 Nov 14 00:58:40, you wrote to Björn Felten:

    ... After all, this is why the ZCs have a standing invitation to take
    part of the FTSC work.

    Really ??

    yes... all current and former ZCs and ICs have that standing invitation and have had it since the first incarnation of the FTSC... we are currently on the 3rd incarnation of said group...

    )\/(ark

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Ward Dossche on Wednesday, November 14, 2018 08:36:06

    On 2018 Nov 14 01:27:30, you wrote to Björn Felten:

    ... After all, this is why the ZCs have a standing invitation to
    take part of the FTSC work.

    Really ??

    Yes, really. Give or take some unfortunate mishaps. 8-)

    Let's not re-write history:

    1) First of all, I really had to argue a lot like around 10 years ago
    to become linked on the argumentation "How can you expect cooperation
    from ZCs if they are not linked and involved?". It was not automatic.

    who was that FTSC Chairperson?

    2) The contributions from ZC1 and ZC2 in said echo are voluntarily and deliberatly scrapped by Michiel van der Vlist who is incompetent at leaving his personal grudges at the entrance door of something which should be technical.

    funny that... he was the one, at one time, pushing very hard that politics be left at the door...

    If the FTSC really wants ZCs to assist in reaching the FTSC mission statement, then a few of its members badly need to re-evaluate what they're doing there and consider not avoiding the issue of one of its members going over the cliff.

    that member is stepping down at this time...

    )\/(ark

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Markus Reschke on Thursday, November 15, 2018 20:46:27
    Re: Nominations open
    By: Markus Reschke to Alexey Vissarionov on Tue Nov 13 2018 06:10 pm

    Hi Alexey!

    Nov 13 17:01 2018, Alexey Vissarionov wrote to Ward Dossche:

    Anyway, *Cs _should_ _not_ be neither members nor administrator.

    In general, that should be changed to "must not".

    That would work if we would have more active nodes. The current situation calls for a compromise.

    Exactly. I still feel strongly that you are a good candidate. There may be others but the current nodelist shows no complications with you running when I scan for your last name.

    Fact is of the size we are, we can not afford to omit people who are mail movers or *Cs. It was a 1986 or so time frame when we had that luxury because there were a lot of fish in the pond to select from. It was likely based on the Saint Louis nodelist format issue forced by the FTSC back around 1986 or so.

    xxcarol
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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Markus Reschke on Friday, November 16, 2018 13:34:34
    Good ${greeting_time}, Markus!

    15 Nov 2018 20:46:26, Carol Shenkenberger wrote to you:

    Anyway, *Cs _should_ _not_ be neither members nor administrator.
    In general, that should be changed to "must not".
    That would work if we would have more active nodes. The current
    situation calls for a compromise.
    Exactly. I still feel strongly that you are a good candidate.

    +1

    There may be others but the current nodelist shows no complications
    with you running when I scan for your last name.

    You are R24EC - but that's much better than Andrew's R16C, N142C, N320C and N322C hats on one head.


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Alexey Vissarionov on Friday, November 16, 2018 12:50:36

    There may be others but the current nodelist shows no complications AV>CS> with you running when I scan for your last name.

    You are R24EC - but that's much better than Andrew's R16C, N142C, N320C
    and N322C hats on one head.

    +1

    It's more and more becoming an issue to find capable and suitable candidates for certain positions.

    The "no multiple hats" 'syndrome' becomes more and more difficult to maintain in certain regions. As you are aware, I guess ... I hope.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to mark lewis on Friday, November 16, 2018 13:09:14
    Let's not re-write history:

    1) First of all, I really had to argue a lot like around 10 years ago ml>WD> to become linked on the argumentation "How can you expect cooperation ml>WD> from ZCs if they are not linked and involved?". It was not automatic.

    who was that FTSC Chairperson?

    I have no trace, but my FTSC-log starts December 5th 2010 when the echo was created here and I really had to argue to get access; at that time I had been a
    ZC for slightly over 14 years and never "been invited". I strongly expect that ZCs were only granted access after I got in and people are re-writing history.

    funny that... he was the one, at one time, pushing very hard that
    politics be left at the door...

    Yes ...

    If the FTSC really wants ZCs to assist in reaching the FTSC mission ml>WD> statement, then a few of its members badly need to re-evaluate what ml>WD> they're doing there and consider not avoiding the issue of one of its ml>WD> members going over the cliff.

    that member is stepping down at this time...

    If we're talking about the same member, his mandate is expiring Dec.4 2019, the
    end of next year. Hence that member is not stepping down.

    BTW, have you noticed the mandates of the following people are expiring Dec.19th of this year and flash-elections are required to reconfirm or replace them?

    Nicholas Boel
    Andrew Leary
    mark lewis
    Richard Menedetter
    Carol Shenkenberger

    \%/@rd

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  • From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to Alexey Vissarionov on Friday, November 16, 2018 08:31:18
    Hello Alexey!

    16 Nov 18 13:34, you wrote to Markus Reschke:

    @REPLY: 6730.ftsc_pub@1:275/100 205371bd
    @MSGID: 2:5020/545 5bee9f80
    @CHRS: CP866 2
    @TZUTC: 0300
    Good ${greeting_time}, Markus!

    15 Nov 2018 20:46:26, Carol Shenkenberger wrote to you:

    Anyway, *Cs _should_ _not_ be neither members nor
    administrator. In general, that should be changed to "must
    not".
    That would work if we would have more active nodes. The current
    situation calls for a compromise.
    Exactly. I still feel strongly that you are a good candidate.

    +1

    There may be others but the current nodelist shows no
    complications with you running when I scan for your last name.

    You are R24EC - but that's much better than Andrew's R16C, N142C,
    N320C and N322C hats on one head.

    For the record, I am actively seeking to divest myself of any/all of the NC hats; the capable candidates that I've asked thus far have said no thanks.

    Andrew


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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Andrew Leary on Friday, November 16, 2018 17:17:00
    Good ${greeting_time}, Andrew!

    16 Nov 2018 08:31:18, you wrote to me:

    Anyway, *Cs _should_ _not_ be neither members nor
    administrator. In general, that should be changed to "must
    not".
    That would work if we would have more active nodes. The current
    situation calls for a compromise.
    Exactly. I still feel strongly that you are a good candidate.
    +1
    There may be others but the current nodelist shows no
    complications with you running when I scan for your last name.
    You are R24EC - but that's much better than Andrew's R16C, N142C,
    N320C and N322C hats on one head.
    For the record, I am actively seeking to divest myself of any/all
    of the NC hats;

    I realize that... But for now I'd prefer to put the chairman functions on someone less loaded.

    the capable candidates that I've asked thus far have said no thanks.

    Translate that to Russian, and you'll get exactly the common answer from our sysops who were asked by me if they are ready to serve as a FTSC chairman :-)


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Friday, November 16, 2018 17:44:23
    I have no trace, but my FTSC-log starts December 5th 2010 when the echo was created here and I really had to argue to get access; at that time I had been a ZC for slightly over 14 years and never "been invited". I strongly expect that ZCs were only granted access after I got in and people are re-writing history.

    I have messages in the FTSC echo by Janis from 2003 and by you from 2008, so
    I think you remember wrong.




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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Björn Felten on Friday, November 16, 2018 17:49:44

    I have messages in the FTSC echo by Janis from 2003 and by you from
    2008, so I think you remember wrong.

    This has hapopened to me before.

    My wife claims we're married, but I have no recollection either.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Paul Hayton@3:770/100 to Ward Dossche on Saturday, November 17, 2018 06:04:29
    On 11/16/18, Ward Dossche pondered and said...

    My wife claims we're married, but I have no recollection either.

    No wonder she can recall where you put the keys when you can't ;-p

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  • From Markus Reschke@2:240/1661 to Carol Shenkenberger on Friday, November 16, 2018 19:48:12
    Hi Carol!

    Nov 15 20:46 2018, Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Markus Reschke:

    Exactly. I still feel strongly that you are a good candidate. There
    may be others but the current nodelist shows no complications with you
    running when I scan for your last name.

    There's also a life outside of fidonet. ;) One of my other "hats" is a quite successful OSHW project for example.

    ciao,
    Markus

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  • From Dallas Hinton@1:153/7715 to Andrew Leary on Friday, November 16, 2018 10:53:32
    Hi Andrew -- on Nov 16 2018 at 08:31, you wrote:


    For the record, I am actively seeking to divest myself of any/all of
    the NC hats; the capable candidates that I've asked thus far have
    said no thanks.

    I had the same problem when I became RC17 - finally found a willing sucker//// volunteer.

    Cheers... Dallas

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  • From Markus Reschke@2:240/1661 to Alexey Vissarionov on Friday, November 16, 2018 19:57:08
    Hi Alexey!

    Nov 16 13:34 2018, Alexey Vissarionov wrote to Markus Reschke:

    +1

    There may be others but the current nodelist shows no complications
    with you running when I scan for your last name.

    You are R24EC - but that's much better than Andrew's R16C, N142C,
    N320C and N322C hats on one head.

    Thanks, but I simply don't have the time.

    ciao,
    Markus

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  • From Markus Reschke@2:240/1661 to Ward Dossche on Friday, November 16, 2018 20:01:22
    Hi Ward!

    Nov 16 12:50 2018, Ward Dossche wrote to Alexey Vissarionov:

    You are R24EC - but that's much better than Andrew's R16C, N142C,
    N320C and N322C hats on one head.

    +1

    And another one. ;) Sorry folks, can't clone myself.

    ciao,
    Markus

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  • From Markus Reschke@2:240/1661 to Alexey Vissarionov on Friday, November 16, 2018 20:10:14
    Hi Alexey!

    Nov 16 17:17 2018, Alexey Vissarionov wrote to Andrew Leary:

    the capable candidates that I've asked thus far have said no thanks.

    Translate that to Russian, and you'll get exactly the common answer
    from our sysops who were asked by me if they are ready to serve as a
    FTSC chairman :-)

    We've tried that too, in German. No luck either.

    ciao,
    Markus

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Markus Reschke on Friday, November 16, 2018 21:13:44
    Markus,

    There's also a life outside of fidonet. ;) One of my other "hats" is a quite successful OSHW project for example.

    That is one of the most worthwhile statements I've heard in a while.

    After 38 years of not owning one, I finally bought a 31ft sailyacht. 2nd hand, in good condition.

    I'll be working on it over the winter and next year when the weather gets better I'll be in a program that takes cancer-kids out sailing at sea for a day. A day of no doctors, no tubes, no machines ... technically. A day of something else than a hospital room ...

    Really looking forward to that ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From Torsten Bamberg@2:240/5832 to Andrew Leary on Friday, November 16, 2018 21:56:26
    Hallo Andrew!

    16.11.2018 08:31, Andrew Leary schrieb an Alexey Vissarionov:

    the capable candidates that I've asked thus far have said no thanks.
    I've got the same answer from my candidates.

    Andrew
    Bye/2 Torsten

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  • From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to Dallas Hinton on Friday, November 16, 2018 16:35:08
    Hello Dallas!

    16 Nov 18 10:53, you wrote to me:

    For the record, I am actively seeking to divest myself of any/all
    of the NC hats; the capable candidates that I've asked thus far
    have said no thanks.

    I had the same problem when I became RC17 - finally found a willing sucker//// volunteer.

    In hot pursuit of one now for NC322; should know within the next day or so.

    Andrew


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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Alexey Vissarionov on Saturday, November 17, 2018 11:24:35
    Re: Nominations open
    By: Alexey Vissarionov to Markus Reschke on Fri Nov 16 2018 01:34 pm

    15 Nov 2018 20:46:26, Carol Shenkenberger wrote to you:

    Anyway, *Cs _should_ _not_ be neither members nor administrator.
    In general, that should be changed to "must not".
    That would work if we would have more active nodes. The current
    situation calls for a compromise.
    Exactly. I still feel strongly that you are a good candidate.

    +1

    We no longer have the luxury of selecting from the non-*C set as you see. Further more, we have not for some time and we've not seen any conflicts when someone was FTSC and 'someting else'. The rules of 1988 or so, do not apply in 2018 30 years later.

    I think Markus is a strong contender. Among other things, he understands (or asks) on how other zones work. That is a TOP quality we need. He also 'works and plays well with others' which is also a TOP quality we need.

    If there is a conflict, it may be in the EP1 that is only used in Z2 in any documented form and seems to deal mostly with *EC type things. I'll have to find a copy to read over but thats the same thing probably most outside Z2 would need to do to see if EP1 has additional limits the rest of us are not aware of.

    Help me understand if I am missing something?

    xxcarol
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Ward Dossche on Saturday, November 17, 2018 11:42:50

    On 2018 Nov 16 13:09:14, you wrote to me:

    Let's not re-write history:

    1) First of all, I really had to argue a lot like around 10 years
    ago to become linked on the argumentation "How can you expect
    cooperation from ZCs if they are not linked and involved?". It was
    not automatic.

    who was that FTSC Chairperson?

    I have no trace,

    really? the FTSC members list can't tell you?? ;)

    ===== snip FTA-1003.014 ===== **********************************************************************
    FTSC FIDONET TECHNICAL STANDARDS COMMITTEE **********************************************************************

    Publication: FTA-1003
    Revision: 14
    Title: FTSC Membership List
    Author: Administrator
    Issue Date: 6 December 2010 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Contents:
    1. FTSC Administrator
    2. FTSC Standing Members ----------------------------------------------------------------------


    1. FTSC Administrator
    ---------------------

    Michiel van der Vlist, 2:280/5555. Term ends 12 October 2011

    ===== snip =====

    FWIW: this is exactly one of the reasons for creating and maintaining the reference library ;)

    that member is stepping down at this time...

    If we're talking about the same member, his mandate is expiring Dec.4
    2019,
    the end of next year. Hence that member is not stepping down.

    i meant that he is stepping down as the FTSC chairperson...

    BTW, have you noticed the mandates of the following people are
    expiring Dec.19th of this year

    yes...

    and flash-elections are required to reconfirm or replace them?

    flash elections? never heard of such and they're certainly not defined in the FTSC procedures documents... there is currently discussion on-going about how to handle the situation...

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... A highly developed talent for misusing a phenomenal wealth of produce.
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Björn Felten on Saturday, November 17, 2018 11:32:52

    On 2018 Nov 16 17:44:22, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

    I have no trace, but my FTSC-log starts December 5th 2010 when the
    echo was created here and I really had to argue to get access; at
    that time I had been a ZC for slightly over 14 years and never "been
    invited". I strongly expect that ZCs were only granted access after I
    got in and people are re-writing history.

    I have messages in the FTSC echo by Janis from 2003 and by you from
    2008, so I think you remember wrong.

    i kinda think so, too... my FTSC JAM bases from my original setup were (re)created 2001 Dec 02... i may have lost some posts at one time when a global
    purge setting was misapplied to the area... looking at the raw jhr file, i find
    the first entry with ward's name carries a subject line of "Re: ftsc.org e-mail" and if i'm reading the raw data properly, the MSGID is "2:292/854 00075837"... the dates are binary so i cannot easily see them...



    )\/(ark

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    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... Always try to be modest. And be damned proud of it!
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Ward Dossche on Saturday, November 17, 2018 11:53:29
    Re: Re: Nominations open
    By: Ward Dossche to Björn Felten on Fri Nov 16 2018 05:49 pm

    I have messages in the FTSC echo by Janis from 2003 and by you from
    2008, so I think you remember wrong.

    This has hapopened to me before.

    My wife claims we're married, but I have no recollection either.

    Snicker!

    It's ok, reaching back quite a few years here!

    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Markus Reschke on Saturday, November 17, 2018 12:07:54
    Re: Nominations open
    By: Markus Reschke to Carol Shenkenberger on Fri Nov 16 2018 07:48 pm

    Exactly. I still feel strongly that you are a good candidate.
    There may be others but the current nodelist shows no complications
    with you running when I scan for your last name.

    There's also a life outside of fidonet. ;) One of my other "hats" is a quite successful OSHW project for example.

    Ok! Not all of us have time but granted, this one is a 1 hour a week job.

    If it stays this way, may have to say I will run though I feel there are better contenders than me. I feel I am 'low man on the totem pole' in some areas of it. I would leave the web site where it is for example. I do have a good grasp of all zones actual interactions (as opposed to just reading some antiquated text file on how it is 'supposed to be done').

    Lets see what happens.
    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Dallas Hinton on Saturday, November 17, 2018 12:09:12
    Re: Nominations open
    By: Dallas Hinton to Andrew Leary on Fri Nov 16 2018 10:53 am

    For the record, I am actively seeking to divest myself of any/all of
    the NC hats; the capable candidates that I've asked thus far have
    said no thanks.

    I had the same problem when I became RC17 - finally found a willing sucker//// volunteer.

    And were sadly 'stuckee' again... Thank you for stepping back up.

    xxcarol
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  • From Markus Reschke@2:240/1661 to Carol Shenkenberger on Saturday, November 17, 2018 18:43:54
    Hi Carol!

    Nov 17 12:07 2018, Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Markus Reschke:

    There's also a life outside of fidonet. ;) One of my other "hats" is
    a quite successful OSHW project for example.

    Ok! Not all of us have time but granted, this one is a 1 hour a week job.

    ... and if you add up all the just-one-hour jobs you'll end up with a whole day. ;)

    If it stays this way, may have to say I will run though I feel there
    are better contenders than me. I feel I am 'low man on the totem
    pole' in some areas of it. I would leave the web site where it is for example. I do have a good grasp of all zones actual interactions (as opposed to just reading some antiquated text file on how it is
    'supposed to be done').

    Your wish shall be granted. :)

    ciao,
    Markus

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Carol Shenkenberger on Saturday, November 17, 2018 22:38:21
    Hello Carol,

    On Saturday November 17 2018 11:24, you wrote to Alexey Vissarionov:

    We no longer have the luxury of selecting from the non-*C set as you
    see. Further more, we have not for some time and we've not seen any conflicts when someone was FTSC and 'someting else'.

    Have you forgotten what happened in the private FTSC conference when an invited
    guest started the topic "Hats worn" on 7 Oct 2017?

    It definitely was a problem then....


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Markus Reschke on Sunday, November 18, 2018 01:35:00
    Good ${greeting_time}, Markus!

    16 Nov 2018 19:57:08, you wrote to me:

    There may be others but the current nodelist shows no complications
    with you running when I scan for your last name.
    You are R24EC - but that's much better than Andrew's R16C, N142C,
    N320C and N322C hats on one head.
    Thanks, but I simply don't have the time.

    :-/


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Carol Shenkenberger on Saturday, November 17, 2018 23:28:59
    Carol,

    If there is a conflict, it may be in the EP1 that is only used in Z2 in
    any documented form and seems to deal mostly with *EC type things.

    Even in Z2 EP1 only surfaces when someone wants to stirr political shit. You know when and where that happened last.

    References to it I catalogue as a part of the ancient Zone-warz which I hope are gone now with Nick Andre.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to mark lewis on Saturday, November 17, 2018 23:41:51
    Mark,

    and flash-elections are required to reconfirm or replace them?

    flash elections? never heard of such and they're certainly not defined in the FTSC procedures documents...

    There's a lot of stuff not in the FTSC procedures documents and which are referenced anyway ... for example ...

    * "house rules" ... they do not exist, have never existed, have never been
    discussed prior to Dec.11th 2017. Yet they are referenced on Dec.11th 2017
    * "invited guest"-status has in 8 years not been discussed up to Dec.11th
    2017, probably does not exist. Yet it is referenced on Dec.11th 2017
    * "observer"-status has in 8 years not been discussed up to Dec.11th
    2017, probably does not exist. Yet it is referenced on Dec.11th 2017
    * "uninvited"-status has in 8 years not been discussed up to Dec.11th
    2017, probably does not exist. Yet it is referenced on Nov.11th 2018

    \%/@rd

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to mark lewis on Saturday, November 17, 2018 23:51:03
    Re: Nominations open
    By: mark lewis to Ward Dossche on Sat Nov 17 2018 11:42 am

    BTW, have you noticed the mandates of the following people are
    expiring Dec.19th of this year

    yes...

    and flash-elections are required to reconfirm or replace them?

    flash elections? never heard of such and they're certainly not defined in the FTSC procedures documents... there is currently discussion on-going about how to handle the situation...

    No issue. Quoram says we worry about the re-election of members after we manage this coordinator position.

    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Markus Reschke on Sunday, November 18, 2018 00:05:18
    Re: Nominations open
    By: Markus Reschke to Carol Shenkenberger on Sat Nov 17 2018 06:43 pm

    There's also a life outside of fidonet. ;) One of my other "hats"
    is a quite successful OSHW project for example.

    Ok! Not all of us have time but granted, this one is a 1 hour a
    week job.

    ... and if you add up all the just-one-hour jobs you'll end up with a whole day. ;)

    Yeah, fricking Flag officers always want a brief just when it's not at the right time for me! Shrug, want the fun of explaining to 5 of them that yes,
    A hurricane did indeed take out Panama City and yes, the schools for the Navy sailors are down for a bt (that was Wednesday last week brief).

    Anyways, I understand.

    If it stays this way, may have to say I will run though I feel there
    are better contenders than me. I feel I am 'low man on the totem
    pole' in some areas of it. I would leave the web site where it is
    for example. I do have a good grasp of all zones actual
    interactions (as opposed to just reading some antiquated text file
    on how it is 'supposed to be done').

    Your wish shall be granted. :)

    Can you LOL and Groan at the same time? Yes, I just found out it comes out as a sort of snort...

    As you see in the private echo, I am still hunting others who want to run.

    Once we know, start nominations and we figure from there.

    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Michiel van der Vlist on Sunday, November 18, 2018 00:34:31
    Re: Nominations open
    By: Michiel van der Vlist to Carol Shenkenberger on Sat Nov 17 2018 10:38 pm

    We no longer have the luxury of selecting from the non-*C set as you
    see. Further more, we have not for some time and we've not seen any
    conflicts when someone was FTSC and 'someting else'.

    Have you forgotten what happened in the private FTSC conference when an invited guest started the topic "Hats worn" on 7 Oct 2017?

    That was a personal issue of yours and another, not a direct *C issue. You have/had more hats than FTSC recommends yourself.

    I admit though, I missed that one off issue. It was personal between you and Ward.

    xxcarol

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Ward Dossche on Sunday, November 18, 2018 00:44:00
    Re: Re: Nominations open
    By: Ward Dossche to Carol Shenkenberger on Sat Nov 17 2018 11:28 pm

    Carol,

    If there is a conflict, it may be in the EP1 that is only used in Z2
    in any documented form and seems to deal mostly with *EC type
    things.


    Even in Z2 EP1 only surfaces when someone wants to stirr political shit. You know when and where that happened last.

    References to it I catalogue as a part of the ancient Zone-warz which I hope are gone now with Nick Andre.

    I think so too. Grin, anyone got a 'vote for Dallas' sign? Help me out buddy!

    xxcarol
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Carol Shenkenberger on Sunday, November 18, 2018 02:51:04
    On 11-17-18 11:24, Carol Shenkenberger <=-
    spoke to Alexey Vissarionov about Nominations open <=-

    If there is a conflict, it may be in the EP1 that is only used in Z2
    in any documented form and seems to deal mostly with *EC type things.

    Even there, it is no longer in full use.

    I'll have to find a copy to read over but thats the same thing probably most outside Z2 would need to do to see if EP1 has additional limits
    the rest of us are not aware of.

    Take a look at the copy I just sent you.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)



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