2021 FTSC election, call for nominations
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An election for FTSC standing members starts on Sunday, 31st of
January 2021 at 20:00 UTC.

As per FTA-1000.002 the number of FTSC members should be no less than
7 and no more than 30. Presently there are 8 FTSC members; 7 of those
have terms expiring. That leaves room for a maximum of 30-(8-7)=29
members to be elected.

From FTA-1001.007

3.2 FTSC Standing Members
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FTSC members are appointed for a two year renewable term. [50 % of
appointments on initial formation of the FTSC shall be for a 3 year
renewable term, to ensure continuity of the Committee on expiry of
the terms.]

To be selected as a FTSC member, an individual must be a Fidonet
node, and should be actively involved in Fidonet. Examples include
having put out a Fidonet-related product or having updated a product
in the preceding two years, or having experience as a Coordinator,
Echomail Coordinator or mail or file Hub.

Standing members may be nominated Fidonet-wide by all of the
following methods:

1. Any RC.
2. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the FTSC.
3. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the ZCC.

A nominating committee may not consist of any current member or
officer of the FTSC.

Standing members are appointed on the basis of a vote by all RCs
who are nodelisted as holding those positions at the time the
nominations are published. A successful candidate must receive
approval by a majority of votes.
Publication of the nomination and the voting procedure, and posting
of RC votes, shall take place openly in the FTSC_PUBLIC echo, and
voting shall close three weeks after publication of the vote.

The status of RC's will be determined by nodelist.029 of this year by
the list as issued by the ZC in the zone where they reside.

All RCs and members of a nominating committee are hereby
invited to nominate members. Nominations must be posted in the
FTSC_PUBLIC echo.

Nominations start at Sunday, 31 January 2021, 20:00 UTC and end at
Sunday, 21 February 2021, 20:00 UTC.

Nominators are advised to sound out prospective nominees before
filing a nomination. There is little or no point in nominating
someone that has not shown interest and expressed willingness to
accept.

Note to candidates: The main task of the FTSC is to document current
practise. Contrary to what the name suggests, the FTSC does not create standards out of the blue. Current Fidonet practise evolves and when
it has stabilized, it may become a standard through FTSC documentation.
Also, the FTSC is not an enforcement body. Those who wish to join the
FTSC in order to "engineer Fidonet" may be in for a disappointment.
Our main job is that of a clerk. We write the technical manual, we do
not design the machine. To avoid disappointment, sysops interested in
joining the FTSC are strongly advised to read the following documents:

http://ftsc.org/docs/fta-1000.002
http://ftsc.org/docs/fta-1001.007

Andrew Leary
FTSC Election Coordinator

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Andrew wrote (2021-01-26):

Note to candidates: The main task of the FTSC is to document current practise. Contrary to what the name suggests, the FTSC does not create standards out of the blue. Current Fidonet practise evolves and when
it has stabilized, it may become a standard through FTSC documentation. Also, the FTSC is not an enforcement body. Those who wish to join the
FTSC in order to "engineer Fidonet" may be in for a disappointment.

Funny, I found this on the ftsc.org wiki:

Publication: FTS-0001
Revision: 17
[...]
2.1. Message bundles
All nodes must be able to receive and process uncompressed FSC-0048 PKT type 2+ bundles.

Can we call this insanity?


Maybe the new members can revive some more useful old ideas:

Suggested list of Fidonet Technical Standards
Revision 2, 1997.12.19
[...]
FTS-6000 Gateways.
FTS-6001 FTN netmail - RFC e-mail gateway (both directions)
FTS-6002 FTN echomail - RFC news gateway (both directions)
FTS-6003 Gateway addressing (both directions, including kludges in use)
FTS-6004 Message ID translation (both directions, ref Gatebau)
FTS-6005 Reply address translation (both directions)
FTS-6006 Attachment translation (encoding and decoding)
FTS-6007 MIME support (how to avoid unnecessary garbage)

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Re: 2021 FTSC Standing Member Election
By: Oli to Andrew Leary on Wed Jan 27 2021 07:01 pm

Andrew wrote (2021-01-26):

Note to candidates: The main task of the FTSC is to document current practise. Contrary to what the name suggests, the FTSC does not create standards out of the blue. Current Fidonet practise evolves and when
it has stabilized, it may become a standard through FTSC documentation. Also, the FTSC is not an enforcement body. Those who wish to join the FTSC in order to "engineer Fidonet" may be in for a disappointment.

Funny, I found this on the ftsc.org wiki:

Publication: FTS-0001
Revision: 17
[...]
2.1. Message bundles
All nodes must be able to receive and process uncompressed FSC-0048 PKT type 2+ bundles.

Can we call this insanity?

It's certainly an oxymoron (packets are not bundles). Where is this document exactly (rev 17)? I don't see a wiki at ftsc.org.

Hello Oli!

27 Jan 21 19:01, you wrote to me:

Funny, I found this on the ftsc.org wiki:

Publication: FTS-0001
Revision: 17
[...]
2.1. Message bundles
All nodes must be able to receive and process uncompressed FSC-0048
PKT type 2+ bundles.

Can we call this insanity?

That document is not an official FTSC document. There is also not a wiki of any kind on the official ftsc.org website. As a matter of fact, Randy Bush's copyright on the current revision of FTS-0001 (Rev. 16) only allows for distribution of unmodified copies at no charge. Any revisions needed to this standard would have to be done by a total rewrite, unless Randy grants permission to use the current version as a base.

Maybe the new members can revive some more useful old ideas:

Suggested list of Fidonet Technical Standards
Revision 2, 1997.12.19
[...]
FTS-6000 Gateways.
FTS-6001 FTN netmail - RFC e-mail gateway (both directions)
FTS-6002 FTN echomail - RFC news gateway (both directions)
FTS-6003 Gateway addressing (both directions, including kludges in
use) FTS-6004 Message ID translation (both directions, ref
Gatebau) FTS-6005 Reply address translation (both directions) FTS-6006 Attachment translation (encoding and decoding) FTS-6007 MIME support
(how to avoid unnecessary garbage)

Anyone is free to submit proposals to the FTSC in this echo, or via NetMail to me.

Andrew

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As a matter of fact, Randy Bush's
copyright on the current revision of FTS-0001 (Rev. 16) only allows for distribution of unmodified copies at no charge.

Just for the record ... Randy Bush is the man who called Fidonet "a cat litterbox reeking like cat urine" prior to slamming the door real hard on his exit from the nodelist some 25+ years ago. From my p,o,v, he thereby forfeited any claim he had to anything in the Fidonet realm.

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Good ${greeting_time}, Andrew!

28 Jan 2021 10:06:56, you wrote to Oli:

Funny, I found this on the ftsc.org wiki:
Publication: FTS-0001
Revision: 17

As a matter of fact, Randy Bush's copyright on the current revision
of FTS-0001 (Rev. 16) only allows for distribution of unmodified
copies at no charge. Any revisions needed to this standard would
have to be done by a total rewrite,

And the FTSC once had an excellent ability for doing exactly that.

unless Randy grants permission to use the current version as a base.

Fuck the copyright... And fuck copyright holders twice.


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Just for the record ... Randy Bush is the man who called Fidonet "a cat litterbox reeking like cat urine" prior to slamming the door real hard
on his exit from the nodelist some 25+ years ago. From my p,o,v, he thereby forfeited any claim he had to anything in the Fidonet realm.

Not to mention that he copied Bob Hartman's ConfMail docs more or less verbatim. I second the notion. You can't claim copyright on another person's work.



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And the FTSC once had an excellent ability for doing exactly that.

I made a serious attempt six years ago:

http://eljaco.se/FILES/FTSC/FTS-0001.017%20--%20RFC.txt

I was told to step down and stand by.



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And the FTSC once had an excellent ability for doing exactly that.

I might add that I also made an attempt on FTS-4, in case someone is willing to pick up the baton. This is just an embryo, mind you:

http://eljaco.se/FILES/FTSC/FTS-0004.002%20--%20RFC.txt





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Björn wrote (2021-01-29):

And the FTSC once had an excellent ability for doing exactly that.

I made a serious attempt six years ago:

http://eljaco.se/FILES/FTSC/FTS-0001.017%20--%20RFC.txt

Looks readable in contrast to the original one, but it's still discriminating against points.

I was told to step down and stand by.

something something dicks

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Hello Andrew!

*** Tuesday 26.01.21 at 12:46, Andrew Leary wrote to All:

[snip]

From FTA-1001.007

3.2 FTSC Standing Members
-------------------------

[snip]

To be selected as a FTSC member, an individual must be a Fidonet
node, and should be actively involved in Fidonet. Examples include
having put out a Fidonet-related product or having updated a product
in the preceding two years, or having experience as a Coordinator,
Echomail Coordinator or mail or file Hub.

Why are Fidonet Points excluded from being selected?

Regards,
Martin

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29 Jan 21 11:08, you wrote to Andrew Leary:

Why are Fidonet Points excluded from being selected?

this is the way



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Hello Andrew,

On Thursday January 28 2021 10:06, you wrote to Oli:

Any revisions needed to this standard would have to be done by a total rewrite, unless Randy grants permission to use the current version as
a base.

Getting Randy's permission is what I tried when I took over from Scott Little. I managed to get into contact with Randy, but failed to get his permission.

Saying that Randy was uncooperative is an understatement. "Hostile" is what comes to mind. In the end I gave up. :(


Cheers, Michiel

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Hi! Andrew,

I nominate:

Maurice Kinal 1:153/7001.

Cheers,
Paul.

R54C

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Hey Paul!

I nominate:
Maurice Kinal 1:153/7001.

I accept.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Re: 2021 FTSC Standing Member Election
By: Paul Quinn to Co-ordinator on Fri Feb 12 2021 07:49 am

Hi! Andrew,

I nominate:

Maurice Kinal 1:153/7001.

Cheers,
Paul.

R54C

Excellent Paul!

xcarol
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Hello Paul!

12 Feb 21 07:49, you wrote to Co-ordinator:

I nominate:

Maurice Kinal 1:153/7001.

ACK.

Andrew
FTSC Election Coordinator

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Hello Maurice!

11 Feb 21 22:38, you wrote to Paul Quinn:

I nominate:
Maurice Kinal 1:153/7001.

I accept.

ACK.

Andrew
FTSC Election Coordinator

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Re: 2021 FTSC Standing Member Election
By: Andrew Leary to Paul Quinn on Fri Feb 12 2021 08:45 am

Hello Paul!

12 Feb 21 07:49, you wrote to Co-ordinator:

I nominate:

Maurice Kinal 1:153/7001.

ACK.

Andrew
FTSC Election Coordinator

ohh I like!

Others may not but thats for the vote to determine.

xxcarol
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Hi! Andrew,

I nominate:

Andrew Leary 1:320/219.

Cheers,
Paul.

R54C

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Hello Paul!

15 Feb 21 10:04, you wrote to Co-ordinator:

I nominate:

Andrew Leary 1:320/219.

ACK/Accepted.

Andrew

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Grias Eich!

Please find the Austrian votes below

----------------------------------------------
| Name | Node nr | Y | N |
|----------------------|-------------|---|---|
| Dale Barnes | 1:106/201 | X | |
| Maurice Kinal | 1:153/7001 | X | |
| Nick Andre | 1:229/426 | X | |
| Carol Shenkenberger | 1:275/100 | X | |
| Andrew Leary | 1:320/219 | X | |
| Mark Lewis | 1:3634/12 | X | |
| Richard Menedetter | 2:310/31 | X | |
----------------------------------------------


Baba
DonHelmi/2

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Hello Helmut!

28 Mar 21 12:35, you wrote to Election Coordinator:

Please find the Austrian votes below

----------------------------------------------
| Name | Node nr | Y | N |
|----------------------|-------------|---|---|
| Dale Barnes | 1:106/201 | X | |
| Maurice Kinal | 1:153/7001 | X | |
| Nick Andre | 1:229/426 | X | |
| Carol Shenkenberger | 1:275/100 | X | |
| Andrew Leary | 1:320/219 | X | |
| Mark Lewis | 1:3634/12 | X | |
| Richard Menedetter | 2:310/31 | X | |
----------------------------------------------

NAK.

This ballot was received a week after the polls closed.

Andrew
FTSC Election Coordinator

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Hello Andrew!

*** Friday 29.01.21 at 11:08, Martin Foster wrote to Andrew Leary:

[snip]

From FTA-1001.007

3.2 FTSC Standing Members
-------------------------

[snip]

To be selected as a FTSC member, an individual must be a Fidonet
node, and should be actively involved in Fidonet. Examples include
having put out a Fidonet-related product or having updated a product
in the preceding two years, or having experience as a Coordinator,
Echomail Coordinator or mail or file Hub.

Why are Fidonet Points excluded from being selected?

I don't recall ever seeing your reply to my question ??

Regards,
Martin

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