On 22 Feb 22 12:32:47, Michiel Van Der Vlist said the following to All:

12:32 [1992] trying f215.n129.z1.binkp.net [185.107.56.55]...
? 12:32 [1992] connection to 1:129/215@fidonet failed: {W32 API error
10060} Connection timed out

Your time has come and gone. You're a "has been". Take a hike back to your effeminate Nodelist-police echo where you and your suspender snapping buddy drool over eachother's interpretation of a silly textfile of which you both have absolutely no say in its production or outcome.

Nick

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Hello Nick,

On Tuesday February 22 2022 07:01, you wrote to me:

Your time has come and gone. You're a "has been". Take a hike back to
your effeminate Nodelist-police echo where you and your suspender
snapping buddy drool over eachother's interpretation of a silly
textfile of which you both have absolutely no say in its production or outcome.

"Silly textfile"?

Policy, FidoNews, and the nodelist are the glue that holds us
together. Without them, we would cease to be a community, and become
just another random collection of bulletin boards.

I rest my case...


Cheers, Michiel

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Michiel,

"Silly textfile"?

Policy, FidoNews, and the nodelist are the glue that holds us
together. Without them, we would cease to be a community, and become Mv>P4> just another random collection of bulletin boards.

I rest my case...

Nahhhh ... the one whose name we're not allowed to mention, did this better.

\%/@rd

--- DB4 - Feb 20 2022
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On 22 Feb 22 14:48:56, Michiel Van Der Vlist said the following to Nick Andre:

Your time has come and gone. You're a "has been". Take a hike back to your effeminate Nodelist-police echo where you and your suspender snapping buddy drool over eachother's interpretation of a silly textfile of which you both have absolutely no say in its production or outcome.

"Silly textfile"?

Yes. For a hobby, its silly that you must obsess over this day in, day out... evident of a sad individual with no life and definately no social skills.

Whether the nodelist is right or wrong, you personally will not be affected by it. Your life as you live and as you know it, does not change. And your ability to be an old douchebag troll will certainly not be affected.

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

Your time has come and gone. You're a "has been". Take a hike bac your effeminate Nodelist-police echo where you and your suspender snapping buddy drool over eachother's interpretation of a silly textfile of which you both have absolutely no say in its producti outcome.

"Silly textfile"?

Yes. For a hobby, its silly that you must obsess over this day in, day out... evident of a sad individual with no life and definately no social skills.

Whether the nodelist is right or wrong, you personally will not be affected by it. Your life as you live and as you know it, does not
change. And your ability to be an old douchebag troll will certainly not be affected.

Don't hold back, Nick. Tell 'em how you REALLY feel. (o_O)

(o_-)

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

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Hi Nick!

Yes. For a hobby, its silly that you must obsess over this day in, day out... evident of a sad individual with no life and definately no
social skills.

We dumbasses out here can be very happy, that we get our lessons delivered for free via echomail.

Matthias
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On 22 Feb 22 18:42:50, Matthias Hertzog said the following to Nick Andre:

Yes. For a hobby, its silly that you must obsess over this day in, day out... evident of a sad individual with no life and definately no social skills.

We dumbasses out here can be very happy, that we get our lessons delivered free via echomail.

Actually the ones that flame and troll me are all from your zone - not mine - and yours are far from being dumbasses. Things just aren't as anal in Z1 as they are in your zone and the trolls have also gone after your ZC2 unfairly.

I made one particular troll a very polite offer to be nodelisted in my zone (as I have done for other trolls) because he felt he couldn't handle the supposed "dictatorship" of yours... offered full access to my system, access to that much-coveted Z1C echo, I was even ready to list him as a ZIN if he didn't want to be under the rule of any Napoleon RC/NC's.

Want to know what happened next? Cue to the lovely sound of crickets chirping.

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

Hello Nick!

Actually the ones that flame and troll me are all from your zone - not mine - and yours are far from being dumbasses. Things just aren't as
anal in Z1 as they are in your zone and the trolls have also gone
after your ZC2 unfairly.

The geopgraphic area that is covered by "my zone" is historically quite fragmented. There were some bad things in the past between countries and regions. The fragmentation that still exists today, is most likely the
reason for so many different ideas and concepts ... and opinions. It's a thin line between being a troll for some and being proud of the own nationality and identification. There are a lot more cultural differences over here than in your zone. There is no such thing like a "united states of europe". Not much
of cultural unity over here, but i'm sure you know already.
That makes comparing zones quite difficult.
The ZC2 job is probably harder than yours - lucky you.

I made one particular troll a very polite offer to be nodelisted in my zone (as I have done for other trolls) because he felt he couldn't
handle the supposed "dictatorship" of yours... offered full access to
my system, access to that much-coveted Z1C echo, I was even ready to
list him as a ZIN if he didn't want to be under the rule of any
Napoleon RC/NC's.
Want to know what happened next? Cue to the lovely sound of crickets chirping.

You can't change people by giving them a new node number. I'm not surprised about the outcome. That was to be expected.

Matthias
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Matthias,

There are a lot more cultural differences over here than in your zone.

Having travelled that other zone extensively, I would like to challenge that.

Let me just take Belgium in North America as an example ... there is an excellent 'creperie' located in Seward (Alaska) named "Le Barn Appetit" operated by a Belgian who emigrated there Yvon Van Driessche and who proudly flies the black/yellow/red all year around. Sells excellent Belgian pastries. (I visited the place. Excellent food. Nothing American) Also in Seward there is an excellent Greek restaurant and when you get in there you feel like you're at the foot of Acropolis....

The "Rik Van Looy Supporters Club" thrives in the Detroit area.

Try Googling "Belgian Church Montana" ... it's a century old settlement and 5th generation descendants still speak the old Flemish dialect. I was there a few weeks ago. They restored the church and have services, the old cemetary is maintained. Wonderful. 30 kilometer west there is a large Hutterite settlement where German is the going language ...

In Wisconsin somewhere there are 2 streets with nothing but descendants from a single Belgian village. Once a year in Belgium there's a fair, in Wisconsin they hold one at the same time.

That's just a few unimportant Belgians. Think about all the other nationalities, especially the Irish celebrating St.Patrick's Day ...

I once took a flight from Calgary to Heathrow ... the main languages spoken on board were Danish and Swedish. And when I flew from Toronto to Amsterdam you needed to know Greek or Swedish if you wanted to converse with your neighbour.

Then you have the wonderful traditions and cultural diversities of the Native Americans .... the descendants of the slaves too ....

I think you are pretty much mistaken making that statement about the lack of cultural differences.

There is no such thing like a "united states of europe".

Unfortunately not, and Nick lives in Canada...

The ZC2 job is probably harder than yours - lucky you.

How would you know that? ... Nick and I consult several times a week on issues we run into and he's got his piece of the cake.

\%/@rd

--- DB4 - 20220222
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Hello Ward!

There are a lot more cultural differences over here than in your
zone.

Having travelled that other zone extensively, I would like to
challenge that.

...

That's just a few unimportant Belgians. Think about all the other nationalities, especially the Irish celebrating St.Patrick's Day ...

Thanks for these examples. A couple of restaurants and immigrants do not
really influence the mindset within a couple of years. That takes
generations.

Travel to "Ex-DDR" and feel the difference. :-/

I think you are pretty much mistaken making that statement about the
lack of cultural differences.

There is no such thing like a "united states of europe".

Unfortunately not, and Nick lives in Canada...

I'm aware of that. I was mentioning his zone, not his country. Comparing
canada and europe ist much harder than comparing europe an the USA. While
i really like the USA, canada seems to be more chilled and relaxed. Will
travel there, it's on my bucket-list.

The ZC2 job is probably harder than yours - lucky you.

How would you know that? ... Nick and I consult several times a week
on issues we run into and he's got his piece of the cake.

We all do.

Have a nice day,
Matthias
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On 08 Mar 22 06:43:34, Mark Lewis said the following to Bj*Rn Felten:

Maybe that intermediate 240/1120 system is one of those rabid NAB systems, that refuse to handle the Fidoweb properly?

wow... just wow... 240/1120 is 2:240/1120, ulrich schroeter...

FWIW: the NAB is dead and gone...

FWIW2: no fidonet systems should have any problems handling dupes being circulated al la the so-called fidoweb...

FidoWeb works perfect as long as everyone doesn't strip Seen-by's.

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
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On 2022 Mar 08 11:34:08, you wrote to me:

FWIW2: no fidonet systems should have any problems handling dupes
being circulated al la the so-called fidoweb...

FidoWeb works perfect as long as everyone doesn't strip Seen-by's.

yep! and if some system does strip seenbys, it simply means more duplicates for systems to deal with...

)\/(ark

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On 08 Mar 22 12:45:08, Mark Lewis said the following to Nick Andre:

FidoWeb works perfect as long as everyone doesn't strip Seen-by's.

yep! and if some system does strip seenbys, it simply means more duplicates for systems to deal with...

Sometimes I think you've retired the Captain Obvious costume, but in light of there being another horrible Batman movie I see it returned for this moment?

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
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On 18 Mar 22 16:34:48, Shaun Buzza said the following to Ward Dossche:

Just because I'm new here doesn't mean I can't do my research...

My friend... when I first traded banter with Ward after getting the D'Bridge source in 2005, I was "warned" by many Sysops. Don't trust the guy, he lies, he was kicked out of the IC chair, he's an ass, etc etc.

So I did my research just as you do and you may recall that I told you that with me, everyone gets "one chance". So I'm pretty fair and openminded:

- I obtained a backlog of messages in the IC echo pertaining to Zc6 and some others that just didn't "add up" for the non-Z2 accusers.

- The Fidonews echo was a complete cesspool, worse than now... flaming is one thing but we had a certain someone "whoes name we don't speak of" constantly antagonise German Sysops and others with what could be consituted as hate-speech... whether I agree with that concept or not, it made Z1 look
bad just a bit worse than the nonstop anti-American rhetoric of their side.

- The added gas on the fire from Z1 star-systems at the time reached its peak with their censorship of that echo of which, surprisingly, the one we don't speak of obtained a feed with another Z2 system of total shock & surprise to circumvent this and thus the FidoWeb was born. This was completely frowned
upon in Z1 and dismissed as a joke but myself, Ward and some others saw merit in the idea.

- Ward and I have a gentlemen's agreement. You don't fuck me and I won't fuck you... we have exchanged system configs... think of that for a moment.

- We have met in person in Quebec City and had numerous international phone calls to shoot the shit or troubleshoot stuff that Netmail exchanges would have been inefficient.

I could rant longer but you get the idea.

You will find sometimes that people you think are bad, are often the opposite in Netmail or phone-calls.

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
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My friend...
[...]

I could rant longer but you get the idea.

Very much so. Thank you for ensuring that my research is not (too) flawed. It is sometimes difficult to remember that even the darkest cloud has a lighter side.

You will find sometimes that people you think are bad, are often the opposite in Netmail or phone-calls.

That may be so. I try very hard not to think of anyone as wholly 'bad'. However, I am also quick to raise objection to behaviour that I percieve as 'bad', as is obvious by this point.

I will defer to your greater experience with the man. If you are willing to vouch for him, who am I to question that? Please, though, keep the cardboard box stories to a minimum.

*What's in the boooox?* has a whole new meaning these days...(o_-)

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

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On 18 Mar 22 18:35:57, Shaun Buzza said the following to Nick Andre:

You will find sometimes that people you think are bad, are often the opposite in Netmail or phone-calls.

That may be so. I try very hard not to think of anyone as wholly 'bad'. However, I am also quick to raise objection to behaviour that I percieve as 'bad', as is obvious by this point.

You have to consider that for many years the FTSC had dissolved into politics and many good techs left because the BS became totally counterproductive.

I will defer to your greater experience with the man. If you are willing to vouch for him, who am I to question that? Please, though, keep the cardboar box stories to a minimum.

You can question anything, nothing is off the table.

But ask him and he will tell you about boxes on sailboats. I'm not lying...

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
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On 18 Mar 2022, Nick Andre said the following...

On 18 Mar 22 18:35:57, Shaun Buzza said the following to Nick Andre:

I will defer to your greater experience with the man. If you are willi vouch for him, who am I to question that? Please, though, keep the car box stories to a minimum.

You can question anything, nothing is off the table.

But ask him and he will tell you about boxes on sailboats. I'm not lying...

Hey, Ward? What's in the box? (o_O)

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

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But ask him and he will tell you about boxes on sailboats. I'm not SB>NA> lying...

Hey, Ward? What's in the box? (o_O)

A load of shit. You want it?

\%/@rd

--- DB4 - 20220222
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But ask him and he will tell you about boxes on sailboats. I'm not SB>NA> lying...

Hey, Ward? What's in the box? (o_O)

A load of shit. You want it?

I guess you really are full of the stuff, if you're offering to box it up and ship it to me...(o_-)

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

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- We have met in person in Quebec City and had numerous international phone calls to shoot the shit or troubleshoot stuff that Netmail
exchanges would have been inefficient.

THAT's why I thought you were French...You or Ward must have mentioned this in the past...

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
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But ask him and he will tell you about boxes on sailboats.

I'm not lying...

Hey, Ward? What's in the box? (o_O)

A load of shit. You want it?

I guess you really are full of the stuff, if you're offering to box it up and ship it to me...(o_-)

Cut the khrap ... you want the box or not ?

I'm amazed at the patience of the moderator...

\%/@rd

--- DB4 - 20220222
* Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)

I'm amazed at the patience of the moderator...

Me too, honestly! (^_^)

Maybe he took the day off?

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: PiBBS (1:229/110)

Hey, Ward? What's in the box? (o_O)

A load of shit. You want it?

I guess you really are full of the stuff, if you're offering to box it and ship it to me...(o_-)

Cut the khrap ... you want the box or not ?

Wait, you sell it sliced, too? Well, now I'm not sure I want the un-cut khrap!

McDoob
SysOp, PiBBS
pibbs.sytes.net

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Re: Re: 2022 FTSC Standing Member Election -
By: Nick Andre to Shaun Buzza on Fri Mar 18 2022 06:16 pm

On 18 Mar 22 16:34:48, Shaun Buzza said the following to Ward Dossche:

Just because I'm new here doesn't mean I can't do my research...

My friend... when I first traded banter with Ward after getting the D'Bridge source in 2005, I was "warned" by many Sysops. Don't trust the guy, he lies, he was kicked out of the IC chair, he's an ass, etc etc.

So I did my research just as you do and you may recall that I told you that with me, everyone gets "one chance". So I'm pretty fair and openminded:

- I obtained a backlog of messages in the IC echo pertaining to Zc6 and some others that just didn't "add up" for the non-Z2 accusers.

- The Fidonews echo was a complete cesspool, worse than now... flaming is on thing but we had a certain someone "whoes name we don't speak of" constantly antagonise German Sysops and others with what could be consituted as hate-speech... whether I agree with that concept or not, it made Z1 look bad just a bit worse than the nonstop anti-American rhetoric of their side.

- The added gas on the fire from Z1 star-systems at the time reached its pea with their censorship of that echo of which, surprisingly, the one we don't speak of obtained a feed with another Z2 system of total shock & surprise to circumvent this and thus the FidoWeb was born. This was completely frowned upon in Z1 and dismissed as a joke but myself, Ward and some others saw meri in the idea.

- Ward and I have a gentlemen's agreement. You don't fuck me and I won't fuc you... we have exchanged system configs... think of that for a moment.

- We have met in person in Quebec City and had numerous international phone calls to shoot the shit or troubleshoot stuff that Netmail exchanges would have been inefficient.

I could rant longer but you get the idea.

You will find sometimes that people you think are bad, are often the opposit in Netmail or phone-calls.

Nick

Ward wasn't bad to Z6. Just felt it too small to make it. When the critical levening of tech skills left Z6, I demized it sanely with a simple scaled plan that worked well.

xxcarol
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On 2022 Mar 08 13:44:54, you wrote to me:

On 08 Mar 22 12:45:08, Mark Lewis said the following to Nick Andre:

FidoWeb works perfect as long as everyone doesn't strip Seen-by's.

yep! and if some system does strip seenbys, it simply means more
duplicates for systems to deal with...

Sometimes I think you've retired the Captain Obvious costume, but in light of there being another horrible Batman movie I see it returned for this moment?

LOL sometimes my replies are intended for the audience reading along who might not know how things work but yeah, i get it ;)

)\/(ark

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